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- Fight takes place on Seaside Island.
- Both are Low 6-B.
- Lyric has half a day of prep time.
- Lyric has access to all his equipment except Metal and Sentinels.
- Speed is equalized.
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"Stand ready for my arrival, Snake" (Conquest (TV Series) vs Lyric the Last Ancient) (1-0-0)
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Conquest says: "I'm so lonely..." before ripping the snake in half.
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Lyric is already a good bit stronger, he doesn't need to a army of stronger skyscraper sized death robots.
Anyway, a 4.85x gap is pretty huge, but Conquest does upscale a good chunk of his value if I'm not wrong. He's also more mobile because, idk Lyric's fighting style seems a bit sluggish for my taste. There's also the fact that Lyric's travel speed is massively lower, so Conquest can tag him pretty easily
Then again, he first has to find a way to deal with that forcefield thing. Plus Lyric can summon the Troops and spam his projectiles at him, said projectiles are tracking and also THAT much stronger than Conquest, sooooo
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Tell me you didn't check the AP gap and didn't read why Garou didn't just rip off V1's arm in the last match
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Oliver wants to know your location.
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Gonna change the OP and let Lyric use Metal for extra help.
As for Conquest ripping Lyric with his much higher LS, Lyric can encase the center of his body in a forcefield to help prevent Conquest from grappling him. And even if Conquest does manage to grab one of Lyric's limbs (He prob isn't gonna be able to fully grapple Lyric due to how large he is), he can pretty easily just swat him off or trap him in the Sealing Ball using his other two free limbs. There's also nothing stopping Metal or any of the Destruction Troops from coming in to knock Conquest away from Lyric to prevent him from getting the Oliver treatment.
The possible speed rating includes all speed types, so he would have FTL travel speed. Lyric's speed rating should be formatted like Sonic's and note this, but I never got around to updating it.
As for Conquest ripping Lyric with his much higher LS, Lyric can encase the center of his body in a forcefield to help prevent Conquest from grappling him. And even if Conquest does manage to grab one of Lyric's limbs (He prob isn't gonna be able to fully grapple Lyric due to how large he is), he can pretty easily just swat him off or trap him in the Sealing Ball using his other two free limbs. There's also nothing stopping Metal or any of the Destruction Troops from coming in to knock Conquest away from Lyric to prevent him from getting the Oliver treatment.
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Bruh was the ten fucktrillion mecha and AP advantage and prep not enough?
Lookin a lil SUS ngl.
Like you literally just went on to argue nuh uh anyway. If anything Lyric shouldnt get anything tbh, otherwise give Conquest the same treatment to make it fair.
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Whys he getting any to begin with? Just throw them together blind, he already has advantages, he doesnt need to compensate, or give Conquest prior knowledge to actually make it fair so they both get something.
Giving one dude a bunch of handicaps isnt making a fair match, it's skewing it.
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Lonely viltrumite old man FRA
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This. Again does the forcefield have any limitations? Because it along with the stat gap might just prevent Conquest from touching him properly tbh.
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The forcefield is only around the center of his body and doesn't fully cover his tail. It can also be disabled by hitting his hands after he extends them.
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Lyric’s robots could sustain damage from Conquest’s AoE shockwaves, additionally I assume he wouldn’t be able to control Conquest’s mechanical hand due to manual controls. Honestly I think the lifting strength difference makes him a grapple victim, especially combined with Conquest’s superior travel speed which can help close any distance between them
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Lyric’s robots should be able to power though the Shockwaves due to their 4.85x higher dura. While not exactly on their level, normal Destruction Troops can still harm Team Sonic and enough of them can goad them into surrendering so they should down scale from them.
Like I noted before, if Conquest does manage to grab one of Lyric's limbs he can pretty easily just swat him off or trap him in the Sealing Ball using his other two limbs.
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As long as he stays mobile and just fights with cqc Lyric won't get the chance to put the sealing ball around him since he has to physically trap him in it.
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What's stopping his troops and worms from keeping Conquest busy enough to pull that off?
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The troops downscale massively, they def ain't equal in dura, so to say they have 4x Conquest's AP in dura is definitely misleading.
Lad, I don't think you understand the gap there, it will be instant. Like ripping a napkin in half, the instant Conquest gets his hands on him, he's already ****** because ripping whatever will be quicker than Lyric needing to react and do something else to get him off. Honestly swatting him off wouldn't even do anything, whatever body part is still coming with him as he's being swatted best case scenario due to his ludicrous grip strength.
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I'm not knowledgeable in either characters nor am I going to even take part in this, but bear in mind that no matter how overwhelming the LS difference is between them, Conquest is still the one with the AP disadvantage, likely even with the upscaling of his AP. What does this translate to? Conquest cannot rip, tear or crush Lyric as easily as he thinks, at least not immediately. These moves have both LS and AP go hand in hand, so Conquest will take longer to do those things. It doesn't stop Conquest from completely restraining and/or ragdolling Lyric, so LS is still a major advantage Conquest will have.
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Not how that works. Does Lyric have any feats that would implement his tensile strength, for example, is uh, like ten trillion times above what we've seen? The AP gap is negligible, Conquest can maim people who scale to it. Like straight up bloody pulp.
You're treating durability as one solid number, when that is simply a simplification of how durability actually works, there's mechanics to it, mechanics we even use in our calcs all the time. From Compressive strength, to shearing, to tensile, to yield, etc. Unless Lyric just so happens to have a feat withstanding something that'd translate to Class Z forces ripping him in half, which could be possible depending on various angles, pretending a dude who's already like about as strong as him, but with the benefit of having 100000000x the LS, is kinda much.
As above, AP, or to be more exact, Striking Strength, tends to interact with the compressive/shear spectrum, but not the others. Hence why ripping/tearing, is being argued as just taking a punch doesn't interact with the same mechanical properties, all while Conquest has the massive advantage and his AP is already close enough for this to not be relevant.
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Hey, I was just adding what I know here since I was in that very same position where a character I represented with Class M TK would've been able to tear through another character with just superhuman LS, yet I've been stopped by various veterans that told me what I told you, which was the complete opposite.
However, like you said, if he can just straight up pulverise people with equal ap/dura, then by all means. Don't let me stop you.
Have fun btw.
However, like you said, if he can just straight up pulverise people with equal ap/dura, then by all means. Don't let me stop you.
Have fun btw.
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What match? Obviously there's a limit, and it's important to take in considerations. Like if a 5-B was hit in such a way, that the force would be applied that's cover tearing, yeah, having lower LS wouldn't matter, because LS isn't what's a factor here, but how LS interacts with the other's durability. Literally just a mere angle of application can change things.
Like DB goons have dogshit dura in that regard for awhile, see Freeza ripping off Nail's arm, or 16 ripping off Cell's tail, despite the characters only being Class M yet like 5-A or some shit. But inversely, Akuma from SF has been punched in such a way before that you'd need like Class P to rip him apart, even though he's only Class M, because the force of a 6-C punch would be about that when converted back over to newtons based on the work applied over him.
Shit is complex, you just gotta use common sense and actually know what each dude has done
Though I also don't really know about Lyric hence why I asked if he had any feats that'd enable him to not just get torn in half by enough force to rip earth in half.
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LS advantage.
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Hold up, that can actually be a good point. Even if Conquest gets sealed, nothing stops him from overpowering Lyric by pushing inside the ball and if the latter lets go of it, he'll still be able to fly (so instead of needing to break out of the ball, he can just carry it with him and use it as an extra layer of protection).
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