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While this might sound similar to previous messages its kind of the same sentiment most people have. Why would we default compactification? It just serves to make the higher tiers more restrictive which like Planck said the tiers arent made to be restrictive they are just tiers ofc the higher you go the more qualifications you need but with option 2 you genuienly need the most specific wording like "the dimension im from is a higher dimension which has an infinite 4th axis with 1 time axis" or "this dimension is so high it has 26 infinite dimensional axis".
You don't need something hyper-specific like this, you just need more than a funni number. You need actual evidence of an uncountable superiority. Something like
The Ds from
Tenchi Muyo for example, which have statements of
higher dimensions being theoretical impossibilities to lower ones and
higher dimensions being able to overcome the laws of physics of lower ones.
Hell, this is how we're
SUPPOSED to be handling it already:
Q: When are higher dimensions valid, then?
A: One of the more straightforward ways to qualify for Tier 2 and up through higher dimensions is
by affecting whole higher-dimensional universes which can embed the whole of lower-dimensional ones within themselves. For example: A cosmology where the entirety of our 3-dimensional universe is in fact a subset of a much greater 4-dimensional space, or generalizations of this same scenario to higher numbers of dimensions; i.e A cosmology where the four-dimensional spacetime continuum is just the infinitesimal surface of a 5-dimensional object, and etc.
However, vaguer cases where a universe is merely stated to be higher-dimensional while existing in a scaling vacuum with no previously established relationship of superiority towards lower-dimensional ones (or no evidence to infer such a relationship from) should be analysed more carefully. In such cases where information as to their exact nature and scale is scarce, it is preferable that the higher dimensions in question be fully-sized in order to qualify.
Furthermore, higher-dimensional entities can also qualify for higher tiers when the verse which they are from explicitly defines them as being infinitely above lower-dimensional ones in power and/or existential status. An example of this being verses such as
Umineko no Naku Koro ni.
However, lower-dimensional beings being stated to be "flat" in comparison to higher-dimensional beings is not necessarily grounds for assuming the latter has infinitely more power (For reasons outlined in the answer above), and thus, such scenarios must also be analyzed case-by-case.
So this shouldn't even be a debate at all, this is just a case of our
pre-existing standards not being properly enforced.
while im not saying that any higher dimensional statement should be considered +1D tiering wise (kinda why we have the HDE thing for powers and abilities) it just makes it seem like its artificially harder to reach these tiers souley by wiki standards and not by lack of evidence n what not. IMO if a dimension is siginificant in size (I.E stated to be infinite by a RELIABLE source) it shouldnt be defaulted to compactification. if we really wanted to go with option 2 tier L1C and 2C would genuienly be overrun as there are thousands of verses that dont even mention dimensional axises and thus wouldnt qualify past 4-5D.
It's not making it "artificially" more difficult to reach those tiers, it's simply an application of Occam's Razor. We should always assume the minimum required size for a cosmology to comply with our Tiering System, anything more is introducing unnecessary elements. I seriously don't understand why that's controversial. Also, see
@DontTalkDT's responses to this thread. When someone is talking about a space being
infinite, they're usually referring to the
volume, not necessarily the "hypervolume" of a fully-extended higher-dimensional space.
And yes, this would displace a lot of characters from Tiers 1-C and 1-B, but honestly that just means they didn't really deserve to be there to begin with, and are only at those tiers because of wank due to our standards not being enforced.
