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Star Wars: Looks like Tier 6 is back on the menu boys!

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High 6-A AP​

This calc which got approved on a previous CRT was unfortunately done incorrectly, since then another calc has been made that more accurately reflects the AP of the feat at 4.68797E+17 Tons of TNT/s and 8.73761E+18 N, this affects a lot of characters putting them solidly in High 6-A with Class P Force Lifting strength, since we see some of the most impressive Jedi and Sith  ever in current times, what our canon is more focused at, most of the time, when speaking about Force-wielders and their journeys across the galaxy.

Spoiler: Affected People
{Friendly reminder that profiles may not be 100% up to date after this, possibly needing their own individual attention later}
  • Ahsoka Tano (Despite the first key indexing her time as a padawan, it also speaks about fighting Asajj Ventress and Grievous, who can contend with Jedi Masters and much more. Not only that, but she grows on her second and third keys to be possibly the strongest Jedi that ever lived)
  • Anakin Skywalker (Even in his CW key, he already had a midichlorian count greater than Yoda, already enough to put him as a great Force wielder, but he is already capable to train Ahsoka with skills enough to survive the war, thing that many masters weren't capable. By the point of RotS he was able to end Count Dooku, one of the most impressive Force wielders of the previous generation)
  • Asajj Ventress (Able to contend with Dooku and Yoda for a brief period, despite being no match for them it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Bendu (wow who are you, mate? Has easily dealt with many imperial ships with Force Lightning, and was stated by Kanan to be unlike what he ever saw)
  • Cal Kestis (Able to survive a Post-Mustafar Vader, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Cere Junda (Able to contend a Post-Mustafar Vader for a brief period, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Count Dooku (Former-padawan to Yoda, he was one of the greatest Force-wielders of his generation, being able to easily defeat CWs Obi-Wan and Anakin and superior to Grievous, who easily dealt with many Jedi masters)
  • Darth Sidious (In his Endor key, he is superior in Force-wielding to Yoda and vastly superior to RotS Anakin and only a Post-Rebels Ahsoka, one of the greatest Force wielders that ever lived, was stated to contend with him. Post-Endor, he is vastly superior and would only be barred by a collective effort from various Force Spirits buffing and helping Rey, a feat never done before or since, to our knowledge)
  • Darth Maul (Could contend with various great Force-wielders throught his life, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka Tano mainly, more than once, being regarded by Sidious as a superb duelist and a loss greater than Dooku, in some regards to his plan)
  • Darth Vader (Great in basically everything that he proposes, the Sith Lord is definetely one of the most powerful Force-wielders that ever lived, being barred only by Obi-Wan and Sidious, his masters, in his Post-Mustafar key, and only Sidious stood superior to him in his Post-Rebels key while )
  • Ezra Bridger (Together with his master has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Grand Inquisitor (Stronger than Kanan, Ezra and Ventress)
  • Kanan Jarrus (Together with his padawan has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Ki-Adi Mundi, Kit Fisto, Luminara Unduli, Plo Koon, Pong Krell, Quinlan Vos and Shaak Ti (Regarded as powerful Jedi, they all scale to one another and somewhat scale to Mace Windu, and while CW-ish Obi-Wan deemed himself unworthy of being a council member while comparing himself to them, they also are likely of repeating one anothers' impressive feats, like Quinlan giving in to the Dark Side and being barely able to end Dooku, or Kit Fisto, who completely negated Grievous' assassination attempt with ease)
  • Kylo Ren (Is stated to be able to defeat ESB Luke, who was already able to fight Post-Rebels Vader)
  • Luke Skywalker ( [First key excluded] ESB Luke is stated to be able to fight Post-Rebels Vader, which by itself is quite the achievement, but his RoJ self is stated to be a menace to both Vader and Sidious, and his Sequels' self should be more powerful, quite possibly turning him the most powerful Jedi ever)
  • Mace Windu (Depending on the media telling the story, he was either stalemated or winning against Sidious both due to his lightsaber wielding and due to the usage of the Force)
  • Mother Talzin and Old Daka (Despite being defeated by both, Talzin could contend with Sidious and Windu for moments. Daka scales above her)
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi (Obi has been always able to outperform the most amazing of the foes, Maul, Post-Mustafar Vader and Grievous, for some, and mixing his youth and recklessness with Force-wielding has deemed him a very important member of the last Jedi Council, according to basically every other member at the time.)
  • Qui-Gon Jinn (A very similar statement to Obi-Wan, this time by every member according to a book, his questioning and unique comprehension of the Force made impressive Force-wielders such as Yoda and Dooku change at least a bit how they thought about the Force, with Dooku having inner monologues about what a padawan meant for his life and Yoda being taught by him about Force spirits, which made Yoda meditate a lot to change how he saw the Force itself)
  • Rey Skywalker (Comparable to Kylo Ren, she should be able to defeat ESB Luke, also)
  • Savage Opress (Pressured in a 2v1 against CWs Ani and Obi and Asaj feared fighting him even with help)
  • Seventh Sister (Comparable to varying degrees to Rebels Ezra, Kanan, Ahsoka and Maul)
  • Tarre Vizsla (Staying in the same way ("Possibly"/ "Likely") as he is always stated to be a famous and very powerful Jedi while being the Mand'alor, and his Lightsaber is an artifact that justified a war between Mandalorians and Jedi, just for the above-mentioned reasons)
  • Yoda (Stated many times as the most powerful Jedi, being regarded as wise and strong from the High-Republic times all the way to the Clone Wars Era, being able to make even the powerful Darth Sidious think about leaving the fight scene when they met in RotS)
But there are some people who are affected because they can deal with Force Wielders without Force Push simply turning them into less than dust, so I think at least in AP or Durability they should also scale, and if just one or the other gets accepted, I'll mark it

Agree: @Kenny Mccormick 0v0 @Rex_Eckles @Dalesean027 @Grand_Astartes @Vietthai96

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:

High 6-A AP​

This calc which got approved on a previous CRT was unfortunately done incorrectly, since then another calc has been made that more accurately reflects the AP of the feat at 4.68797E+17 Tons of TNT/s and 8.73761E+18 N, this affects a lot of characters putting them solidly in High 6-A, since we see some of the most impressive Jedi and Sith  ever in current times, what our canon is more focused at, most of the time, when speaking about Force-wielders and their journeys across the galaxy.

Spoiler: Affected People
{Friendly reminder that profiles may not be 100% up to date after this, possibly needing their own individual attention later}
  • Ahsoka Tano (Despite the first key indexing her time as a padawan, it also speaks about fighting Asajj Ventress and Grievous, who can contend with Jedi Masters and much more. Not only that, but she grows on her second and third keys to be possibly the strongest Jedi that ever lived)
  • Anakin Skywalker (Even in his CW key, he already had a midichlorian count greater than Yoda, already enough to put him as a great Force wielder, but he is already capable to train Ahsoka with skills enough to survive the war, thing that many masters weren't capable. By the point of RotS he was able to end Count Dooku, one of the most impressive Force wielders of the previous generation)
  • Asajj Ventress (Able to contend with Dooku and Yoda for a brief period, despite being no match for them it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Bendu (wow who are you, mate? Has easily dealt with many imperial ships with Force Lightning, and was stated by Kanan to be unlike what he ever saw)
  • Cal Kestis (Able to survive a Post-Mustafar Vader, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Cere Junda (Able to contend a Post-Mustafar Vader for a brief period, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Count Dooku (Former-padawan to Yoda, he was one of the greatest Force-wielders of his generation, being able to easily defeat CWs Obi-Wan and Anakin and superior to Grievous, who easily dealt with many Jedi masters)
  • Darth Sidious (In his Endor key, he is superior in Force-wielding to Yoda and vastly superior to RotS Anakin and only a Post-Rebels Ahsoka, one of the greatest Force wielders that ever lived, was stated to contend with him. Post-Endor, he is vastly superior and would only be barred by a collective effort from various Force Spirits buffing and helping Rey, a feat never done before or since, to our knowledge)
  • Darth Maul (Could contend with various great Force-wielders throught his life, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka Tano mainly, more than once, being regarded by Sidious as a superb duelist and a loss greater than Dooku, in some regards to his plan)
  • Darth Vader (Great in basically everything that he proposes, the Sith Lord is definetely one of the most powerful Force-wielders that ever lived, being barred only by Obi-Wan and Sidious, his masters, in his Post-Mustafar key, and only Sidious stood superior to him in his Post-Rebels key while )
  • Ezra Bridger (Together with his master has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Grand Inquisitor (Stronger than Kanan, Ezra and Ventress)
  • Kanan Jarrus (Together with his padawan has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Ki-Adi Mundi, Kit Fisto, Luminara Unduli, Plo Koon, Pong Krell, Quinlan Vos and Shaak Ti (Regarded as powerful Jedi, they all scale to one another and somewhat scale to Mace Windu, and while CW-ish Obi-Wan deemed himself unworthy of being a council member while comparing himself to them, they also are likely of repeating one anothers' impressive feats, like Quinlan giving in to the Dark Side and being barely able to end Dooku, or Kit Fisto, who completely negated Grievous' assassination attempt with ease)
  • Kylo Ren (Is stated to be able to defeat ESB Luke, who was already able to fight Post-Rebels Vader)
  • Luke Skywalker ( [First key excluded] ESB Luke is stated to be able to fight Post-Rebels Vader, which by itself is quite the achievement, but his RoJ self is stated to be a menace to both Vader and Sidious, and his Sequels' self should be more powerful, quite possibly turning him the most powerful Jedi ever)
  • Mace Windu (Depending on the media telling the story, he was either stalemated or winning against Sidious both due to his lightsaber wielding and due to the usage of the Force)
  • Mother Talzin and Old Daka (Despite being defeated by both, Talzin could contend with Sidious and Windu for moments. Daka scales above her)
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi (Obi has been always able to outperform the most amazing of the foes, Maul, Post-Mustafar Vader and Grievous, for some, and mixing his youth and recklessness with Force-wielding has deemed him a very important member of the last Jedi Council, according to basically every other member at the time.)
  • Qui-Gon Jinn (A very similar statement to Obi-Wan, this time by every member according to a book, his questioning and unique comprehension of the Force made impressive Force-wielders such as Yoda and Dooku change at least a bit how they thought about the Force, with Dooku having inner monologues about what a padawan meant for his life and Yoda being taught by him about Force spirits, which made Yoda meditate a lot to change how he saw the Force itself)
  • Rey Skywalker (Comparable to Kylo Ren, she should be able to defeat ESB Luke, also)
  • Savage Opress (Pressured in a 2v1 against CWs Ani and Obi and Asaj feared fighting him even with help)
  • Seventh Sister (Comparable to varying degrees to Rebels Ezra, Kanan, Ahsoka and Maul)
  • Tarre Vizsla (Staying in the same way ("Possibly"/ "Likely") as he is always stated to be a famous and very powerful Jedi while being the Mand'alor, and his Lightsaber is an artifact that justified a war between Mandalorians and Jedi, just for the above-mentioned reasons)
  • Yoda (Stated many times as the most powerful Jedi, being regarded as wise and strong from the High-Republic times all the way to the Clone Wars Era, being able to make even the powerful Darth Sidious think about leaving the fight scene when they met in RotS)

But there are some people who are affected because they can deal with Force Wielders without Force Push simply turning them into less than dust, so I think at least in AP or Durability they should also scale, and if just one or the other gets accepted, I'll mark it
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Don't forget the Class P LS.
 
I’ll look over this later, but from a quick skim it looks good.
 
The ancient jedi order were capable of destroying a planet busting comet so this is pretty consisent
 
Dalesean027 said:
Can't comment on the scaling but this is fine for applying the accept calcs to the already existing scalin
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Yes, the scale is from the previous CRT that applied the first version of this calculation.

The scale will probably change in the future (in fact, I think it certainly will), we're just waiting for a few other things to happen first.

Thank you for the vote.
 
The calc mistakenly labels the results as High 6-A+ when it's only in the petatons, so it's just High 6-A (no plus).
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Yes, the scale is from the previous CRT that applied the first version of this calculation.

The scale will probably change in the future (in fact, I think it certainly will), we're just waiting for a few other things to happen first.

Thank you for the vote.
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If the scaling was accepted and this is just replacing the calc then yeah the thread is fine to me
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:

High 6-A AP​

This calc which got approved on a previous CRT was unfortunately done incorrectly, since then another calc has been made that more accurately reflects the AP of the feat at 4.68797E+17 Tons of TNT/s and 8.73761E+18 N, this affects a lot of characters putting them solidly in High 6-A with Class P Force Lifting strength, since we see some of the most impressive Jedi and Sith  ever in current times, what our canon is more focused at, most of the time, when speaking about Force-wielders and their journeys across the galaxy.

Spoiler: Affected People
{Friendly reminder that profiles may not be 100% up to date after this, possibly needing their own individual attention later}
  • Ahsoka Tano (Despite the first key indexing her time as a padawan, it also speaks about fighting Asajj Ventress and Grievous, who can contend with Jedi Masters and much more. Not only that, but she grows on her second and third keys to be possibly the strongest Jedi that ever lived)
  • Anakin Skywalker (Even in his CW key, he already had a midichlorian count greater than Yoda, already enough to put him as a great Force wielder, but he is already capable to train Ahsoka with skills enough to survive the war, thing that many masters weren't capable. By the point of RotS he was able to end Count Dooku, one of the most impressive Force wielders of the previous generation)
  • Asajj Ventress (Able to contend with Dooku and Yoda for a brief period, despite being no match for them it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Bendu (wow who are you, mate? Has easily dealt with many imperial ships with Force Lightning, and was stated by Kanan to be unlike what he ever saw)
  • Cal Kestis (Able to survive a Post-Mustafar Vader, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Cere Junda (Able to contend a Post-Mustafar Vader for a brief period, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Count Dooku (Former-padawan to Yoda, he was one of the greatest Force-wielders of his generation, being able to easily defeat CWs Obi-Wan and Anakin and superior to Grievous, who easily dealt with many Jedi masters)
  • Darth Sidious (In his Endor key, he is superior in Force-wielding to Yoda and vastly superior to RotS Anakin and only a Post-Rebels Ahsoka, one of the greatest Force wielders that ever lived, was stated to contend with him. Post-Endor, he is vastly superior and would only be barred by a collective effort from various Force Spirits buffing and helping Rey, a feat never done before or since, to our knowledge)
  • Darth Maul (Could contend with various great Force-wielders throught his life, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka Tano mainly, more than once, being regarded by Sidious as a superb duelist and a loss greater than Dooku, in some regards to his plan)
  • Darth Vader (Great in basically everything that he proposes, the Sith Lord is definetely one of the most powerful Force-wielders that ever lived, being barred only by Obi-Wan and Sidious, his masters, in his Post-Mustafar key, and only Sidious stood superior to him in his Post-Rebels key while )
  • Ezra Bridger (Together with his master has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Grand Inquisitor (Stronger than Kanan, Ezra and Ventress)
  • Kanan Jarrus (Together with his padawan has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Ki-Adi Mundi, Kit Fisto, Luminara Unduli, Plo Koon, Pong Krell, Quinlan Vos and Shaak Ti (Regarded as powerful Jedi, they all scale to one another and somewhat scale to Mace Windu, and while CW-ish Obi-Wan deemed himself unworthy of being a council member while comparing himself to them, they also are likely of repeating one anothers' impressive feats, like Quinlan giving in to the Dark Side and being barely able to end Dooku, or Kit Fisto, who completely negated Grievous' assassination attempt with ease)
  • Kylo Ren (Is stated to be able to defeat ESB Luke, who was already able to fight Post-Rebels Vader)
  • Luke Skywalker ( [First key excluded] ESB Luke is stated to be able to fight Post-Rebels Vader, which by itself is quite the achievement, but his RoJ self is stated to be a menace to both Vader and Sidious, and his Sequels' self should be more powerful, quite possibly turning him the most powerful Jedi ever)
  • Mace Windu (Depending on the media telling the story, he was either stalemated or winning against Sidious both due to his lightsaber wielding and due to the usage of the Force)
  • Mother Talzin and Old Daka (Despite being defeated by both, Talzin could contend with Sidious and Windu for moments. Daka scales above her)
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi (Obi has been always able to outperform the most amazing of the foes, Maul, Post-Mustafar Vader and Grievous, for some, and mixing his youth and recklessness with Force-wielding has deemed him a very important member of the last Jedi Council, according to basically every other member at the time.)
  • Qui-Gon Jinn (A very similar statement to Obi-Wan, this time by every member according to a book, his questioning and unique comprehension of the Force made impressive Force-wielders such as Yoda and Dooku change at least a bit how they thought about the Force, with Dooku having inner monologues about what a padawan meant for his life and Yoda being taught by him about Force spirits, which made Yoda meditate a lot to change how he saw the Force itself)
  • Rey Skywalker (Comparable to Kylo Ren, she should be able to defeat ESB Luke, also)
  • Savage Opress (Pressured in a 2v1 against CWs Ani and Obi and Asaj feared fighting him even with help)
  • Seventh Sister (Comparable to varying degrees to Rebels Ezra, Kanan, Ahsoka and Maul)
  • Tarre Vizsla (Staying in the same way ("Possibly"/ "Likely") as he is always stated to be a famous and very powerful Jedi while being the Mand'alor, and his Lightsaber is an artifact that justified a war between Mandalorians and Jedi, just for the above-mentioned reasons)
  • Yoda (Stated many times as the most powerful Jedi, being regarded as wise and strong from the High-Republic times all the way to the Clone Wars Era, being able to make even the powerful Darth Sidious think about leaving the fight scene when they met in RotS)
But there are some people who are affected because they can deal with Force Wielders without Force Push simply turning them into less than dust, so I think at least in AP or Durability they should also scale, and if just one or the other gets accepted, I'll mark it

Agree: @Kenny Mccormick 0v0 @Rex_Eckles @Dalesean027 @Grand_Astartes @Vietthai96

Disagree:

Neutral:
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With two votes, tomorrow after 48 hours you can apply the CRT. (Don't forget to include the CRT link in each application)

Basically, you just need to replace the 7-B with the new tier and the Class M with P.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:

High 6-A AP​

This calc which got approved on a previous CRT was unfortunately done incorrectly, since then another calc has been made that more accurately reflects the AP of the feat at 4.68797E+17 Tons of TNT/s and 8.73761E+18 N, this affects a lot of characters putting them solidly in High 6-A with Class P Force Lifting strength, since we see some of the most impressive Jedi and Sith  ever in current times, what our canon is more focused at, most of the time, when speaking about Force-wielders and their journeys across the galaxy.

Spoiler: Affected People
{Friendly reminder that profiles may not be 100% up to date after this, possibly needing their own individual attention later}
  • Ahsoka Tano (Despite the first key indexing her time as a padawan, it also speaks about fighting Asajj Ventress and Grievous, who can contend with Jedi Masters and much more. Not only that, but she grows on her second and third keys to be possibly the strongest Jedi that ever lived)
  • Anakin Skywalker (Even in his CW key, he already had a midichlorian count greater than Yoda, already enough to put him as a great Force wielder, but he is already capable to train Ahsoka with skills enough to survive the war, thing that many masters weren't capable. By the point of RotS he was able to end Count Dooku, one of the most impressive Force wielders of the previous generation)
  • Asajj Ventress (Able to contend with Dooku and Yoda for a brief period, despite being no match for them it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Bendu (wow who are you, mate? Has easily dealt with many imperial ships with Force Lightning, and was stated by Kanan to be unlike what he ever saw)
  • Cal Kestis (Able to survive a Post-Mustafar Vader, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Cere Junda (Able to contend a Post-Mustafar Vader for a brief period, despite being no match for him it already makes evident being higher than who performed the feat justifying the rate)
  • Count Dooku (Former-padawan to Yoda, he was one of the greatest Force-wielders of his generation, being able to easily defeat CWs Obi-Wan and Anakin and superior to Grievous, who easily dealt with many Jedi masters)
  • Darth Sidious (In his Endor key, he is superior in Force-wielding to Yoda and vastly superior to RotS Anakin and only a Post-Rebels Ahsoka, one of the greatest Force wielders that ever lived, was stated to contend with him. Post-Endor, he is vastly superior and would only be barred by a collective effort from various Force Spirits buffing and helping Rey, a feat never done before or since, to our knowledge)
  • Darth Maul (Could contend with various great Force-wielders throught his life, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka Tano mainly, more than once, being regarded by Sidious as a superb duelist and a loss greater than Dooku, in some regards to his plan)
  • Darth Vader (Great in basically everything that he proposes, the Sith Lord is definetely one of the most powerful Force-wielders that ever lived, being barred only by Obi-Wan and Sidious, his masters, in his Post-Mustafar key, and only Sidious stood superior to him in his Post-Rebels key while )
  • Ezra Bridger (Together with his master has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Grand Inquisitor (Stronger than Kanan, Ezra and Ventress)
  • Kanan Jarrus (Together with his padawan has moved an asteroid and would later be able to survive a meeting with a Rebels Vader)
  • Ki-Adi Mundi, Kit Fisto, Luminara Unduli, Plo Koon, Pong Krell, Quinlan Vos and Shaak Ti (Regarded as powerful Jedi, they all scale to one another and somewhat scale to Mace Windu, and while CW-ish Obi-Wan deemed himself unworthy of being a council member while comparing himself to them, they also are likely of repeating one anothers' impressive feats, like Quinlan giving in to the Dark Side and being barely able to end Dooku, or Kit Fisto, who completely negated Grievous' assassination attempt with ease)
  • Kylo Ren (Is stated to be able to defeat ESB Luke, who was already able to fight Post-Rebels Vader)
  • Luke Skywalker ( [First key excluded] ESB Luke is stated to be able to fight Post-Rebels Vader, which by itself is quite the achievement, but his RoJ self is stated to be a menace to both Vader and Sidious, and his Sequels' self should be more powerful, quite possibly turning him the most powerful Jedi ever)
  • Mace Windu (Depending on the media telling the story, he was either stalemated or winning against Sidious both due to his lightsaber wielding and due to the usage of the Force)
  • Mother Talzin and Old Daka (Despite being defeated by both, Talzin could contend with Sidious and Windu for moments. Daka scales above her)
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi (Obi has been always able to outperform the most amazing of the foes, Maul, Post-Mustafar Vader and Grievous, for some, and mixing his youth and recklessness with Force-wielding has deemed him a very important member of the last Jedi Council, according to basically every other member at the time.)
  • Qui-Gon Jinn (A very similar statement to Obi-Wan, this time by every member according to a book, his questioning and unique comprehension of the Force made impressive Force-wielders such as Yoda and Dooku change at least a bit how they thought about the Force, with Dooku having inner monologues about what a padawan meant for his life and Yoda being taught by him about Force spirits, which made Yoda meditate a lot to change how he saw the Force itself)
  • Rey Skywalker (Comparable to Kylo Ren, she should be able to defeat ESB Luke, also)
  • Savage Opress (Pressured in a 2v1 against CWs Ani and Obi and Asaj feared fighting him even with help)
  • Seventh Sister (Comparable to varying degrees to Rebels Ezra, Kanan, Ahsoka and Maul)
  • Tarre Vizsla (Staying in the same way ("Possibly"/ "Likely") as he is always stated to be a famous and very powerful Jedi while being the Mand'alor, and his Lightsaber is an artifact that justified a war between Mandalorians and Jedi, just for the above-mentioned reasons)
  • Yoda (Stated many times as the most powerful Jedi, being regarded as wise and strong from the High-Republic times all the way to the Clone Wars Era, being able to make even the powerful Darth Sidious think about leaving the fight scene when they met in RotS)
But there are some people who are affected because they can deal with Force Wielders without Force Push simply turning them into less than dust, so I think at least in AP or Durability they should also scale, and if just one or the other gets accepted, I'll mark it

Agree: @Kenny Mccormick 0v0 @Rex_Eckles @Dalesean027 @Grand_Astartes @Vietthai96

Disagree:

Neutral:
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You can now apply the CRT.

Phsccarvalho said:
With two votes, tomorrow after 48 hours you can apply the CRT. (Don't forget to include the CRT link in each application)

Basically, you just need to replace the 7-B with the new tier and the Class M with P.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions.
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…really?

A random musing of a high end possibility from impact is enough to upgrade even low tiers 10 billion times over???

Why does it feel like Star Wars threads are never properly scrutinized.
 
Vietthai96 said:
If the scaling was accepted and this is just replacing the calc then yeah the thread is fine to me
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The consistency of High 6-A was very much never accepted, and if this was just about fixing calcs rather than also dealing with the scaling implications of actually using a calc with a 10 billion times higher yield then this thread would have zero reason to be a CRT since that is the job of calc group threads.
 
Epyriel said:
Then why are we pretending this is just about fixing a calc?
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Because it is.

That same CRT with that same calculation was done a while ago.

The only thing we're doing is replacing the values with the new version of the calculation that was accepted in the calculation discussion.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
The only thing we're doing is replacing the values with the new version of the calculation that was accepted in the calculation discussion.
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And you think offering a ten billion fold upgrade to low tiers has no impact on scaling consistency or anti-feats???
 
Rex_Eckles said:
Was this a problem with the old value?
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Frankly yes, there was issues even with the consistency of the City level+ version, but that doesn’t even remotely compare to the issues brought by inflating that value 10 billion times over.

Not to mention the fact that the entire basis of this new calc aside from fixing the relativistic formula is assuming this impact will result in full gravitational unbinding based on a single statement from a passing thought as to an extreme possibility of what will happen.

I would like to hear a bit more discussion on this radical change. Frankly it feels weird that monumental changes like this are getting less scrutiny than a 5% upgrade I’ve seen in other verses.
 
Epyriel said:
And you think offering a ten billion fold upgrade to low tiers has no impact on scaling consistency or anti-feats???
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It must. That's why I told Vietthai96 that the scaling would change in the future. We're just waiting for some more high-value calculations to be evaluated (tier 7/6). Then (or at the same time) we intend to rework profile by profile to better analyze (but it takes time because there are few people) scaling issues.

Like, I understand your complaint, but you know very well how everything in Star Wars is slow due to the lack of personnel + large verse.

Epyriel said:
Frankly yes, there was issues even with the consistency of the City level+ version, but that doesn’t even remotely compare to the issues brought by inflating that value 10 billion times over.

Not to mention the fact that the entire basis of this new calc aside from fixing the relativistic formula is assuming this impact will result in full gravitational unbinding based on a single statement from a passing thought as to an extreme possibility of what will happen.

I would like to hear a bit more discussion on this radical change. Frankly it feel weird that monumental changes like this are getting less scrutiny than a 5% upgrade I’ve seen in other verses.
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If you're having trouble with the calculation, well, just make a calculation thread.

Seriously, if you're so worried about everything, why don't you just, you know, help?

I have nothing against you, but you're always complaining with great concern about how Star Wars is outdated, etc., but like, you don't participate in anything, and then when something happens, you come back to complain.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
It must. That's why I told Vietthai96 that the scaling would change in the future. We're just waiting for some more high-value calculations to be evaluated (tier 7/6). Then (or at the same time) we intend to rework profile by profile to better analyze (but it takes time because there are few people) scaling issues.

Like, I understand your complaint, but you know very well how everything in Star Wars is slow due to the lack of personnel + large verse.
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You don’t think consistency should be established before we offer gigantic upgrades?? And I’m very much not seeing a “slow” progression, I’m seeing a 10 billion fold upgrade passed in literally 2 days with minimal scrutiny.

Phsccarvalho said:
If you're having trouble with the calculation, well, just make a calculation thread.
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Sure I will if I have to, but this calculation has issue with scaling consistency on the CRT end of it as well that should already prevent it being accepted.

Phsccarvalho said:
Seriously, if you're so worried about everything, why don't you just, you know, help?

I have nothing against you, but you're always complaining with great concern about how Star Wars is outdated, etc., but like, you don't participate in anything, and then when something happens, you come back to complain.
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Last time I tried that I got stonewalled by two guys bogging down a thread with paragraph long responses despite never reading the source material while I was trying to deal with physics midterms at the same time.

But as it so happens, I have just stumbled upon some extra free time and am currently drafting a complete overhaul of Star Wars Legends as a whole.
 
Epyriel said:
You don’t think consistency should be established before we offer gigantic upgrades?? And I’m very much not seeing a “slow” progression, I’m seeing a 10 billion fold upgrade passed in literally 2 days with minimal scrutiny.
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It would be, but neither way is good.

Yes, we can wait for the approval of the tier 6/7 calculations or do more, but as you know it's time-consuming. The 7-B calculation no longer exists, and it's not good to have a tier in the profiles that is no longer aligned with what is in the new calculation.

So either the 7-B remained in the profiles for who knows how long in a very inaccurate way, or we just updated the values and then resolved it in more detail later.

And it wasn't in 2 days. The new calculation was accepted in the calculation thread since the 12th, as far as I remember. We were in limbo about what to do (since basically only 3 people plan and actively do crts on the back), so we decided to simply apply this for now.

Epyriel said:
Last time I tried that I got stonewalled by two guys bogging down a thread with paragraph long responses despite never reading the source material while I was trying to deal with physics mid-terms at the same time.

But as it so happens, I have just stumbled upon some extra free time and am currently drafting a complete overhaul of Star Wars Legends as a whole.
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What happened, and what you argued, they argued, and that's it. It happens, it's true. But instead of moving forward, you simply decided to leave the project and never participated or tried to help in any way again.

Even if your last Star Wars CRT had been completely rejected, which it wasn't. The CRT only had 3 pages and Lephry agreed with 2 of your proposals, that didn't stop you from helping with calculations, profile reworks, scales, P&A, etc. You love to complain about everything on the back, but you don't really try to help. You preferred to abandon the back with this kind of message rather than help with something else.

There are only 3 of us on the back doing active things, and because of the small number of people we have and how much each of us has to do in other places (like real life), we choose to do one thing at a time. Obviously, it's not the best way; a lot of things become outdated or will need changes later, but it's what we can handle at the moment.

If you think everything has to be 100% updated and perfect all at once, and you disagree with the calculations or anything else, do the CRTs.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
It would be, but neither way is good.

Yes, we can wait for the approval of the tier 6/7 calculations or do more, but as you know it's time-consuming. The 7-B calculation no longer exists, and it's not good to have a tier in the profiles that is no longer aligned with what is in the new calculation.

So either the 7-B remained in the profiles for who knows how long in a very inaccurate way, or we just updated the values and then resolved it in more detail later.

And it wasn't in 2 days. The new calculation was accepted in the calculation thread since the 12th, as far as I remember. We were in limbo about what to do (since basically only 3 people plan and actively do crts on the back), so we decided to simply apply this for now.
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You realize that is still extremely quick right?

Phsccarvalho said:
What happened, and what you argued, they argued, and that's it. It happens, it's true. But instead of moving forward, you simply decided to leave the project and never participated or tried to help in any way again.

Even if your last Star Wars CRT had been completely rejected, which it wasn't. The CRT only had 3 pages and Lephry agreed with 2 of your proposals, that didn't stop you from helping with calculations, profile reworks, scales, P&A, etc. You love to complain about everything on the back, but you don't really try to help. You preferred to abandon the back with this kind of message rather than help with something else.

There are only 3 of us on the back doing active things, and because of the small number of people we have and how much each of us has to do in other places (like real life), we choose to do one thing at a time. Obviously, it's not the best way; a lot of things become outdated or will need changes later, but it's what we can handle at the moment.

If you think everything has to be 100% updated and perfect all at once, and you disagree with the calculations or anything else, do the CRTs.
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What are you even saying here?

I’m not allowed to object to erroneous CRTs because I’ve previously been too busy with university to do all the work overhauling everything myself?? What kind of logic is this.
 
Epyriel said:
I’m not allowed to object to erroneous CRTs because I’ve previously been too busy with university to do all the work overhauling everything myself?? What kind of logic is this.
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I think he's referring to closing a thread preemptively while having at least some of the proposals being agreed upon.

If you ask me, it's better to get A and B done even if you also need C, D, and E done.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
I think he's referring to closing a thread preemptively while having at least some of the proposals being agreed upon.

If you ask me, it's better to get A and B done even if you also need C, D, and E done.
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Except none of the proposals were actually accepted since prior acceptions were contingent on a mod who changed their mind and needed to revote.

Strangely enough I preferred to focus on midterms and redo stuff later rather than continue to wake up every day to waste time dealing with insulting paragraph long responses from people who hadn’t read the source material while the thread continued to be bogged down.

And again, even if I had never done any CRTs whatsoever myself, why exactly does this mean I’m not allowed to object to erroneous CRTs?
 
Epyriel said:
And again, even if I had never done any CRTs whatsoever myself, why exactly does this mean I’m not allowed to object to erroneous CRTs?
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Not sure if that's what the guy meant, but point taken.

I'm sorry about how that thread turned out, I was looking forward to more EU revisions.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
I'm sorry about how that thread turned out, I was looking forward to more EU revisions.
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Hey at least I’ve got some free time now so I can do a proper overhaul of everything Legends related.

(I’ll stop responding here since I don’t want to derail the thread, but if you got any decent AP or speed calcs for Legends that you are aware of please let me know on the general thread)
 
Epyriel said:
You realize that is still extremely quick right?
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It wasn't extremely fast.

The original thread that first used the calculation took 16 days to be finalized.

And the intention is to apply the new value from the calculation and then solve things like scaling, etc.

As I said, I think it's better to have the new value than to have the 7-B in the profile since it's a calculation that doesn't "exist" anymore.

Epyriel said:
What are you even saying here?

I’m not allowed to object to erroneous CRTs because I’ve previously been too busy with university to do all the work overhauling everything myself?? What kind of logic is this.
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The point wasn't to do all the work, but to help minimally, even if it's just a little assistance. You abandon the verse and the first thing you do when you come back is complain.

We chose to do one thing at a time, even though obviously not everything will be 100% up-to-date and there will still be problems to fix. If you don't like that, you can restructure the entire AP issue as much as you like.
 
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