Steampunk ~What a Beautiful Discussion Thread~ The New Era

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Mycroft_er I would say it'd be fine enough once everything is set in and examined again.

Even if Wrath King is missing a thing or two, those could still be added after the potential profile is made.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Can we think of Cthulhu's profile after I add all the translations to the videos?

I mean the fight shows almost all of Cthulhu's feats, and it's quite enough for a normal profile.

Yea, though since I haven't read the full VN, idk if anything else was said about Cthulhu before he actually showed up.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Putting aside a Wrath King profile, we're definitely in for another CRT for Gahkthun:

Spoiler

Tesla: Possibly another key for Shining Night, maybe a resistance to sleep manip, resistance to concept shattering and smth + POSSIBLY a reaction upgrade? Also proper scan of Tesla's reality warp and more for type 8 immortality? and resistance to maybe law manip or whatever Wilhelm's Art falls under or whatever it is cuz Wilhelm's Art couldn't use its full potential against Tesla in the past, and transmutation resistance against WK's salt beams.

Jo: Probably more add on's to her Art's strengthening ability

Walther: More add on to their Acceleration applying to both inanimate objects and living beings

Emilie: Probably an add on to her Art being able to scan the make up of the Wrath King's drones.

Nightingale: Proper scanning of her ability to restrain people and inanimate objects mentally and physically by taking away their light and shadow.

Reich: Proper scanning of the law manip and space manip thing + Elysium made blades

I probably missed some other stuff, but these ones immediately come to mind.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Nightingale being able to control the minds of inorganic objects is wild.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I mean she's not like the only one who can do that. Marionette's classified info also says she can manipulate living creatures and inanimate objects too.

Although Nightingale's probably more wild since it's done to fragments of the Wrath King.

Wilhelm's Art's true/full power being able to "dominate every corner of space, every corner of existence" is just as wild lol. Although I am still confused by how the text put it, it's crazy that he could use it on the fragments (drones) of WK just fine but couldn't fully display it against his Master (Tesla) when they fought in the base Gahkthun VN. This one's even more crazier when you have to remember again that Teslat at that point was running on fumes, couldn't transform, and Neon had more or less wanted to do nothing with him anymore and thus his anchor to reality had grown weaker? Add in learning that Wilhelm's blades ARE made of Elysium and his character profile from the official website said his Art strengthens him to be able to cut pretty much a lot of things including lightning LOL.

Also, can it be assumed that Wrath King's arm shattering all things attack is type 3 CM? Unless we're missing anything else, the fight didn't say much except for it just doing what we saw which is shattering concepts, phenomena, and space-time. That and a sure-hit curse + something about it being like GK's branch hands but still different.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Would have to think about it, wrath king's shatter all things in nature, from time, space and even concepts.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

This is still too early and probably incomplete ish to do, but in case it ever gets anywhere, I made a draft for Wrath King.

Granted, Idk who will even be working on it per se. I just made it so in case I don't do it, someone else could copy it off from there and fill in everything that's relevant for WK.

As you can tell, it's clearly missing the stuff that we DO know like the thing with it hiding from Tesla's senses in base reality since I have zero clue what that falls under. I was thinking it could be perception manip and probably the one that fits given the aforementioned reasons. Just wasn't sure in case it was something else I'm missing on.

 

[Mycroft_er]

Spoiler: Goddess of the Night

• A
• B

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Just took a glance at the script.

Black King stuff, it's said the same thing we've found on them. Being called Outer God, the infinite dark universe, that sort. Though Tesla going on saying they're his enemy, Black King and Tick Tock Man, is just so him lol. That definitely gives credence that Tesla DID fought both Nyars at one point.

Although the Critter bit is the most interesting.

So basically Critters are remnants of illusions that erode reality, Cracking Beings derived from a "certain formula" that we all know what that is (OWO).

The lore behind illusions go further by saying that they're things that should no longer take form, but in the case of Critters, if they form up, they naturally go and target people to kill them. Even eroding the world if they have to in order to protect themselves.

Basic skills they get is stuff like being invulnerable to physics (ruby: invincible) and panic (referring to the Voice of Panic), and that Critters are naturally strong, being on the level of a mobile fortress although IDK what sort of weapons they wield but if they're anything like we think, they're packing serious firepower.

Srsly, Critters are some serious OP beings xD

Also say the new vids. That Nightingale though OWO

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Eroding reality is something which was said about Messengers too.

Maybe we can add reality warping, I thought it was redundant since Messengers can use Cracking.

Monile fortresses are like tanks I think? Maybe an upgrade to 9-A for generic Critters, have to look into that.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Mycroft_er Probably won't do them for RN. Just got my allergies flare up again and it's a Capital B to deal with...

@Celestial_Pegasus

More like giant flying warships. Valusia Official website glossary on general Steampunk Series stuff got info for us on how powerful they are.

Spoiler: Steel Weapon Supremacy

Mobile Fortress

A huge suppression weapon that made the Northern Central Empire the "World's Strongest".

It has the appearance of a moving fortress.

A vanguard of destruction, it was a steam engine weapon designed based on the Mobile Fortress Theory. Appearing in 2162 of the Northern Calender during the second world war, it infamous wiped out the Southern Ha Empire and Eisha Federation from the map, leading the Empire to an overwhelming victory. It is said to have completely destroyed ground tanks, which were supposed to be invincible in the first world war, and demolished enemy forts and citadels (on the other hand, it was said that not a single one of the Imperial Air Force's mobile fortress has been damaged).

For 40 years, it boasted of being invincible with the Empire ruling the continent as an absolute entity. However, as of 2209 of the Northern Calender, there are rumors of the Royal Union having finished the development of anti-mobile fortress weaponry using "mobile infantry".

Source: Hikari no Valusia Official Blog Site, Steampunk Series Setting Collection Vol 7

As for the Critters thing mentioned, there's two slightly different descriptions of them but they're otherwise the same in what they're described as.

Spoiler: Critter SUPREMACY (A)

Critter.

Remnants of fantasies that erode reality.

They are failed Cracking Beings, derived from a certain formula.

They are something that shouldn't exist.

In reality, it is impossible for them to remain here.

Many do not know of their name.

Like none of the regular students, for instance.

Only a handful know of its name, such as those on the other side of the world.

Critter. Powerful fantasies.

Rumor has it that in Inganock, a city in the foreign land of Kadath, did such an instance occur.

The death toll there was in the hundreds of thousands.

Although extremely rare, they can cause extremely serious damage if they occur.

They are perhaps equal to the largest Engine Arms in terms of the destructive power they bring.

Such as a group of mobile fortresses, for instance.

They are something fearsome.

They are something that distorts reality and devours it.

Critter.

Nightingale: In the end, my power is just a sham. The Others are merely just shadows and light.

Nightingale: But by weaving them together into a singular form does an offshoot become an exception. They gain functionality as a Critter.

Nightingale: That offshoot becomes a Critter, obtaining basic characteristics (skills) such as being physically invulnerable (invincible) and panic.

Nightingale: An old fantasy that just so happens to be coincidentally called Will-o-Wasp...

Nightingale: It fits with my Art of light and shadow. I'm merely using paradoxically.

Source: Gahkthun: Shining Night, Goddess of the Night A

Spoiler: Critter SUPREMACY (B)

(Pretty much the same thing for the first couple lines, as is the thing with what Nightingale said)

It is something that should not exist.

It is something that would eat away at people if it exists.

It is a fantasy that must no longer take form.

The base reality of the world does not permit them to gain mass and form up a physical body.

Thus, Critters are naturally ferocious.

They erode and devour the world in order to protect themselves.

Although there are very few cases of this happening, they are truly dangerous.

When manifested, their power is on the level of a Mobile Fortress.

Matter of fact, both the Black Beast and Deceptive Dragon were on the verge of going wild...

Source: Gahkthun: Shining Night, Goddess of the Night B

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Idk if we can tier destroying forts and citadel, but Criiters being comparable to groups fortresses which can destroy tanks would be At least 9-A.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Eh, that's not any different with Tesla. I remember there was a statement from Mathers that said Tesla used his Knight of Thunder to destroy one of the Society's secret fortresses or smth in the past (it was during the Berta and Tesla fight when they brought out their respective mechs), and we also got a building destroying statement of sorts for Tesla in one of the extra chapters of Sona Nyl's extra WN chapters. Although they're not relevant or needed given we scale them to much better things.

Any case, At least 9-A Critters kinda makes sense as it was said that it takes like a group of Upper Tier Soldiers to even suppress one Critter, and that was for the smaller ones. Mid and up, that's no dice.

Then again, some monsters in Inganock were stated to be as powerful as Critters. Upper Tier Soldiers are stated to be comparable to several of them, meaning they're also retroactively 9-A in turn?

Steampunk Series be weird as ever with anything.

In any case, Critters being 9-A with reality eroding stuff means they also get to hang with the other 9-A chars too owo

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Would Wrath King also have info manip for being able to hit Tesla so hard in his "core", he was practically dead from all of his thing (consciousness (this is actually written as "Alaya Vijnana" but I didn't know how it would be translated like that so I just went with what the localization said...or maybe that's what the OG VN wrote but it would have been awkward to TL it?), meme, information/data, bonds)?

Also, would it just be better to put reality warping for Wrath King's shadow hand? Maybe that probably helps with the whole "shattering all creation" part like space-time, concepts, and phenomena no?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yes wrath would have info manipulation.

I guess reality warping works? It does a whole bunch of stuff.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Info manip would be layered also for the same reason GK is seeing Tesla can resist info manip.

Reality Warp is as good as I can make it too since it's only breaking/shattering stuff in its path, and it pretty much behaves similarly to how GK does stuff which we placed it as such.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Probably 3 layers for info manipulation.

As for concept manipulation, think it would have to be type 3.

Your sandbox for the profile is good. Though I would say Wrath is FTL, as it is stated to surpass Tesla's lightning which is lightspeed.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

What makes it three layers? I thought about that and the only thing that comes to mind is WK's Alpha Cross which hits way harder than GK's branch hands, which the latter had to do it several times even against a nearly drained Tesla afaik.

Ah, that's fine I guess. Can put it with RW.

And thanks. Only thing left is getting all of the scans and TL's to them, and the page should be good to go from there.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Well Alpha Cross is more powerful than GK's hands, but not more layered now that i think about it, cause nobody has resisted GK's hands, so forget what I said.

Was trying to see if I could make some more Sona-Nyl profiles, but doesn't seem worth it, Jaguarman has some question marks on his stats like speed and ap, and was thinking about Jerusa, but while she would have some decent hax, she didn't even fight, only thing I could think of is scaling to Lily due to both their status as Witches, but that's iffy since Lily uses the golden power, which Jerusa says is beyond her.

So yea probably done with Sona-Nyl profiles. Karashrer need some minor fixing so guess I can do that next.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

It really shouldn't be layered, yeah. Tesla was affected by both, one doing more damage than the other. But both times he was affected badly regardless.

I actually forgot about Karashrer tbh lol. The Shining Night stuff and even the Sona Nyl stuff got to me lol.

This is what I got so far on Karashrer. Only really had Kyrie in mind to do at the time until I paused on it.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

I realize that while WK is like GK where they don't have a lot of resistances to their stock, they're otherwise still tough and broken for their tier.

Wrath King's got a hand that shatters concepts and space-time, salt beams, spears that can fix anything or anyone caught in it so they can't move, an even giant spear that can hit harder than GK's strongest attack (branch hands) that also negate's regen and immortality, drones that can move on their own and kill living things on contact, has some domain expansion (JJK joke owo) that made a whole island of 100k people go into a deep sleep + cause all power to turn off, and on top of the first three or four things, literally has a curse that makes it so its attacks will surely land without missing.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Looking here, total destruction of a tank is actually 8-C.

Being equal to a group of mobile fortresses, lowballing and saying 2, would put that at 8-C+

So yea basically generic Critters will be the same tier Gii, and co, were up until very recently, wild to think about.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

8-C Critters? Hot damn.

Funny to think that if we had this before the Tier 7 updates came in, we'd have one heck of a scaling ladder for the 8-C Inganock chars lol.

Though would any of the others like Ati and Upper Tier Soldiers scale, if scaled backwards?

UTS's have fighting power comparable to several large Monsters, and Gii mentioned one Monster as being equal to Critters. And Ati fended off a controlled one by Bandersnatch too.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I don't see that working, that scan says the serpent endured bullets from soldiers, and that it is equal to Critters, that just proves they don't scale to it.

Just cause soldiers are equal to several random monsters doesn't mean they scale to this specific 1, which apparently took Kerkan's kikai to kill.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Probably for the best not to scale then, yeah. Especially since it wouldn't make sense as even in just the main VN alone, there was a part I can't recall where but it said that it takes like a bunch of UTS's just to suppress a Critter alone and that's just for the smaller sized ones.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Aside from that, I got a bunch of the scans screenshotted and put into imgur with the TL's needed for the P&A stuff.

This should be about it for Wrath King.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Aside from that, I got a bunch of the scans screenshotted and put into imgur with the TL's needed for the P&A stuff.

This should be about it for Wrath King.

NIKOLA TESLA!!

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Aside from that, I got a bunch of the scans screenshotted and put into imgur with the TL's needed for the P&A stuff.

This should be about it for Wrath King.

Where did all this come from?

Like star level? Thought that was just being used to mean planet?

Also Immeasurable speed, should be Infinite.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Star level was more to possible lore as he was called "Star crusher" which was on his way to earth unless I'm missing smth.

Immeasurable speed I figure is more to how his attack don't exist in the 3rd dimension while ignoring time and space in general. It is also similar to GK who I actually found out the OG script seems to have a few interesting things.

万象、引き裂く。
時間と空間を超えて——
たとえ、騎士が、回避行動を取ろうとも、
そんなものに意味などない。
大雷電回避。とか。
構成情報を電送して空間転移を果たそうと、
高速飛行して際限なく迫る魔手を躱そうと。
意味はない。
物理的な回避も、防御も。
無意味——

Phenomenon, torn apart.

Beyond Time and Space.

For example, the knight, should he take evasive action, that would be meaningless.

Electric Evasion. And so on.

Trying to achieve Spatial Transference by transmitting configuration information, or to fly at high speed to avoid the endlessly approaching clutches of evil.

Meaningless.

Neither Physical evasion, or defenses

Have no meaning.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

We definitely need a thread on Immeasurable speed before posting the profile, I was iffy on it due to Wrath being compared to GK, which is infinite, but that raw for GK'S hands changes things.

We need some input on it.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Celestial_Pegasus

The AP is as Redgrave put it. The thing is unless I misread some parts of the script and actual vids, Wrath King was never said to have come from kadath and destroy stars on the way. Or if it was, I didn't really get the impression since the other bit is being a shintai that came from the end of the world and should have also been on Kadath rather than on Earth.

Red added that, not me. That can still be removed though, but apparently people that have names of something can have pretty big significance to being called as such like the case with Tesla, M, Edison, and Golden King even.

Then again, Ulthar Thoughts info on Shintai like Cthulhu said that it would have only destroyed the surface of Kadath if it ever got pissed. So that one would have to be taken off unless there's a literal instance of Wrath King being stated to destroy stars.

Immeasurable though, I added that because of it attacking in a plane that's not in 3D + ignoring the constraints of space time as well as the comparison to GK's hands which the localization possibly changed it up as it said "breaking the boundaries of space time". You should also be aware that while WK WAS compared to GK's, the way they work is also said to be different too.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Man, we are never going to be able to post WK regardless if this isn't resolved for shit xD

Edit: One thing that can be done is just rid of the star level and immeasurable shit for rn, and have that saved for a CRT or some other discussion. Cuz otherwise, WK's pretty much done with all that I gathered and everything. How's that sound?

Aside from that, there's also the stuff said and introduced in Shining Night.

The Governing Council Stuff. Tesla new stuff. Critter stuff. Black King technically? There's some dialogue Tesla had with Nightingale when he asked if the shadow stuff part of Critter formation had anything to do with the Black King but besides that, nothing else came of it.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Star level seems iffy to me.

As for Immeasurable speed, not too sure about it. To counter GK's hands, Tesla had to think instantaneously

Kinda implies the attacks are instantaneous.

There is a similar thing against Wrath King, but it wasn't against his hands, but light

Spoiler: Tesla's Speed

The undulated lights emitted to the sky stays there! Right now, there were over several hundred streaks of light!

It was unavoidable.

It would absolutely hit.

Nowhere in the sky could the Knight ever escape from anymore.

Thus, the Thunder Fiend screams.

It invoked the illusion of absolute defense.

The name of the illusion he governs is Danu's right hand man!

His accelerated thoughts were at their maximum speed. His accelerated language were at its maximum speed. In the span of 0 seconds, he roars out the illusion's name!

Tesla: Airgetlám!

1, 2, 3, 4 silver shields of maximum protection spring into action!

Absolute protection was a success!

Originally, this was an attack he could withstand with the shields.

However, because of his Radiance, he could endure it.

He endures it.

Enduring it. Enduring it.

Endure. Endure. Endure...

The hundreds of lights landed simultaneously!

The moment he fully endured it...

Though I could see an argument that yea since it wasn't against the hands, Tesla's reaction speed is Infinite like it was against GK, but his attack speed is Immeasurable since he was able to unleash his own attack to counter the hands.

Anyway we need a thread for this, we don't really see attacks going back, or forward in time, or anything about linear time being mentioned, which is why I am hesitant to really say this is Immeasurable speed.

Btw Wrath needs danmaku for this

Spoiler: Danmaku

Emitting from the void god staring up at the sky was a fierce light. This time, it wouldn't settle for just one shot so it fired two simultaneously!

There, he sees. The giant eye emblem had two at its waist!

Both were fired simultaneously!

Not even just that, they were also done intermittently...

......!!!

Release.

Release.

The blank, white light turns anything it touches to salt!!

One shot. Two shots. Three shots. Four shots.

The intense light of absolute destruction endlessly increases, becoming countless pillars of light that stayed in the sky...

They kept chasing the Electric Knight, who kept repeatedly using giant electric evasions and flying at high speeds...!

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Star level seems iffy to me.

As for Immeasurable speed, not too sure about it. To counter GK's hands, Tesla had to think instantaneously

Kinda implies the attacks are instantaneous.

There is a similar thing against Wrath King, but it wasn't against his hands, but light

Spoiler: Tesla's Speed

The undulated lights emitted to the sky stays there! Right now, there were over several hundred streaks of light!

It was unavoidable.

It would absolutely hit.

Nowhere in the sky could the Knight ever escape from anymore.

Thus, the Thunder Fiend screams.

It invoked the illusion of absolute defense.

The name of the illusion he governs is Danu's right hand man!

His accelerated thoughts were at their maximum speed. His accelerated language were at its maximum speed. In the span of 0 seconds, he roars out the illusion's name!

Tesla: Airgetlám!

1, 2, 3, 4 silver shields of maximum protection spring into action!

Absolute protection was a success!

Originally, this was an attack he could withstand with the shields.

However, because of his Radiance, he could endure it.

He endures it.

Enduring it. Enduring it.

Endure. Endure. Endure...

The hundreds of lights landed simultaneously!

The moment he fully endured it...

Though I could see an argument that yea since it wasn't against the hands, Tesla's reaction speed is Infinite like it was against GK, but his attack speed is Immeasurable since he was able to unleash his own attack to counter the hands.

Anyway we need a thread for this, we don't really see attacks going back, or forward in time, or anything about linear time being mentioned, which is why I am hesitant to really say this is Immeasurable speed.

Btw Wrath needs danmaku for this

Spoiler: Danmaku

Emitting from the void god staring up at the sky was a fierce light. This time, it wouldn't settle for just one shot so it fired two simultaneously!

There, he sees. The giant eye emblem had two at its waist!

Both were fired simultaneously!

Not even just that, they were also done intermittently...

......!!!

Release.

Release.

The blank, white light turns anything it touches to salt!!

One shot. Two shots. Three shots. Four shots.

The intense light of absolute destruction endlessly increases, becoming countless pillars of light that stayed in the sky...

They kept chasing the Electric Knight, who kept repeatedly using giant electric evasions and flying at high speeds...!

It's just banking off on that one name Cthuhlu also went by if anything, which was "Star Shattering Water Mass". Thing is, that name had the kanji for "hoshi" at the start of it, which can also mean planet so another way of reading it could have been "planet shattering water mass". I just went with star because it flowed better speaking wise. Though it also can mean celestial body (what planets, stars, and I suppose even moons are also) but that's besides the point.

I don't really think it's needed since it's on-screen feat is fighting pre MEGA RADIANCE boost Tesla who should be superior than his weakened ver that fought Ultrathotep.

Right. I just relooked at the speed page, and it mentioned that about back and forth thing. That's something neither GK nor WK have. It's just them bitch-slapping someone instantly to the point they can't evade it or defend against it in time.

Spoiler

The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere in zero time, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen faster than in zero time.

For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen and it takes 0 time to react to any finite speed object or travel finite speed distance. They can also perform an infinite number of actions or travel infinite distance within a finite amount of time. An infinite speed character's perception of time only flows when they allow it to flow.

Immeasurable speed characters are far beyond even those Infinite speed characters listed above. They perceive infinite speed characters as completely frozen, and they can travel forward and backward in time at will. They have the speed necessary to hop from the beginning of time, to the end of time, and anywhere in between as casually as a human being can roll their eyes left or right. This also means their reaction time is faster than instantaneous. They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack. And they can do all of this via sheer speed.

There's also that thing you posted with Tesla's accelerated thought and language at max speed being stated to do things 0 seconds, which the fact that he still can do that even in the midst of an attack from GK and WK presumably probably goes against immeasurable.

Aye, that one. Tesla's accelerated thing was mentioned against the salt beams. We didn't get that from the hand thing at the start of the fight, but I could assume Tesla either had made his own action at the start or it was an off-screen action since it just cuts to Tesla responding with a counter attack at that point.

Danmaku is legit, yeah. Dude spammed like hundreds of them by the time Tesla made his counterattack.

Edit: Also, I realized that we didn't specify the aspect of high godly regen the characters have. Evolved Porshion, Lily, Edison, Tesla, and GK all got High-Godly but we never specified what type of high godly it is like Tesla regenerating on an information/data level and whatnot for the others.