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As for the Corrupting Light, why not assume it was actual light just for the sake of getting a possible distance?
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Wouldn't the attack need to display certain properties for us to assume light speed? (Like reflecting off of certain surfaces)Foxthefox1000 said:As for the Corrupting Light, why not assume it was actual light just for the sake of getting a possible distance?
it was never a stupid assumption, how so? there is no eveidence that suggests the blast came from homeworld, yeah, both sides of the argument aren't definitive, but give me one piece of definitive or even suggestive evidence that indicates they where on homeworld.Foxthefox1000 said:Lmao called it being 6-A.
I just had a feeling.
And yeah, the beam definitely came from beyond the Moon and that was a stupid assumption from the start even more so than assuming Homeworld (the only other place we have atm for where the Diamond's could logically be).
Saying her full strength is at least 828x greater than that feat is EXACTLY what I'm saying, come on. Did you not watch the same show as us? The feat was VERY casual for her, she maintained it for hours while still being able to focus on other stuff involving way more skill and concentration, and **her gem was cracked so she was slowly dying**, she just has a will-of-titanium (she resisted Blue's hax) so through sheer force of will she was able to keep her body from degrading (except blank eyes) the way Amethyst's did. But she was feeling the SAME effects as Amethyst did when she had a cracked gem, and do you remember how horrible that was? Amethyst was reduced from 7-A to being **useless** at that point, and was actually dying. The unfortunate thing is that we have no numbers to attach to:CinnabarManx421 said:I'd just like to clear this up, no Lapis is likely not Tier 5 at full strength. I need to remind everybody that her High 6-A feat is only 35 Petatons which is on the low end of High 6-A. The high end is 29 Exatons. An Exaton is 1,000 Petatons. So unless we wanna say she somehow gets more than 828x stronger for no reason then no she is not anywhere close to Tier 5.
This actually sounds like a reasonable idea to me? I'm not sure if I myself am qualified enough at calcs though (just having a Masters in Math doesn't mean I know how to do calcs on this site, I am still a n00b at those lol) to do this? BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA, doesn't it guys? It seems like the only possible way we can get an estimate for the distance the beam traveled! What do the rest of you think?Foxthefox1000 said:Hm, I was thinking we take the tine fron when the light reaches the Moon to when it envelopes the Earth, and get a speed from that. Then, using that speed, we can calculate how long the light took to reach the moon via frames and all and then come up with a distance based on that. It's a little roundabout but it's the best we can manage.
never said it came form the moon, and tell me how is it misinformed, how is the possibility of them being on homeworld at the time informed at all, there's no evidence, all you doing is desperately trying to get them to tier 5 by trying whatever means you can even if you base the reasoning and numbers off of unconfirmed assumptions, so tell me how is your proposal correct or in any way informed?Foxthefox1000 said:It was a stupid assumption because I literally stated multiple times that the light didn't come from the Moon so I dunno where anyone got that it came from the Moon, especially in most clips of it that we see.
Okay, not stupid, but a misinformed and incorrect one.
I was basing the moon-distance-assumption on what others said and I thought based on the image used in the calcs where the beam APPEARS to be coming from between the Moon and the Earth, but again, since we now saw there is ANOTHER perspective-view of the beam, it now seems that the beam appearing to "overlap" the moon on the earth's side was just some kind of glare-effect, and it did indeed come from further than the Moon.Foxthefox1000 said:It was a stupid assumption because I literally stated multiple times that the light didn't come from the Moon so I dunno where anyone got that it came from the Moon, especially in most clips of it that we see.
Okay, not stupid, but a misinformed and incorrect one.
Wait really? How did you calc the new distance? Using the method I quoted in my post above, the one that Foxthefox1000 came up with? If so, can you walk us through EXACTLY how you calced the new distance and the result you got?Soupywolf5 said:With the new distance the calc goes from 6-A to Low-end High 6-A
I was basing the moon-distance-assumption on what others said and I thought based on the image used in the calcs where the beam APPEARS to be coming from between the Moon and the Earth, but again, since we now saw there is ANOTHER perspective-view of the beam, it now seems that the beam appearing to "overlap" the moon on the earth's side was just some kind of glare-effect, and it did indeed come from further than the Moon.Foxthefox1000 said:It was a stupid assumption because I literally stated multiple times that the light didn't come from the Moon so I dunno where anyone got that it came from the Moon, especially in most clips of it that we see.
Okay, not stupid, but a misinformed and incorrect one.
Wait really? How did you calc the new distance? Using the method I quoted in my post above, the one that Foxthefox1000 came up with? If so, can you walk us through EXACTLY how you calced the new distance and the result you got?Soupywolf5 said:With the new distance the calc goes from 6-A to Low-end High 6-A
Well the light definitely had **Diamond-Gem-Magic** keeping its integrity though. Keep in mind the beam was **white** in color, not a single-wavelength laser, so even if it WAS coming from as close as say, even just 10% of the distance from the Earth to the Moon, if the beam had the actual properties of normal white-light it should have spread out and attenuated so much as to become way more inconsequential than what we saw by the time it reached earth. As evidence for the whole "Gem Magic" holding-its-integrity thing, well, we know the beam was somehow a carrier for the Diamonds' corruption-hax, so yeah, it wasn't just "normal light" or anything. So assuming the beam couldn't hold its integrity over literally **any** distance may itself be a faulty assumption because "magic." Edit: Even with the best mono-wavelength lasers humanity can produce, a red or blue light laser fired at the moon with something like an initial beam-width of a few inches or feet ends up spreading out to like 6.5 KILOMETERS in width by the time it reaches the moon, true story.Nickobloke said:Pepper14832 I agree
let me just put this out there, if the blast came from homeworld, the amount of energy you would need for light that bright to travel that distance while still maintaining its integrity of energy would probably be in the Steller range.
Yup you're right! At this point I just want the OP to tell us how he did the distance-calc he is saying he did from the image of the other vantage-point, other than that I feel like yeah, we can stop for now except for the following:Nickobloke said:look dude at this point we are just going back and forward and making little progress, if we could get a mods thoughts on the matter that would help a lot, but theres really not much to continue discussing now without bringing up the same issues again and again.
Goodyfresh said:Also I can't believe I literally had to explain to someone why Lapis is probably almost DEFINITELY 5-C by vague upscaling but we just can't use that vague upscaling by this wiki's standards and that Lapis has literally always been the entire reason why we've suspected for a long time that the verse is Tier 5, especially when said person's profile seems to indicate they are as into the verse as I am if not moreso. Just saying, do they not get how casual she was and how much a crack weakens a Gem?
He wasn't corrupted as they didn't use their auras to heal him, we literally SEE the colors of diamond-auras when they first release them, and we did not see that at all. If they were using their auras to heal him, Rebecca would have clearly shown that. He was literally healed by just **emotional support**, Rebecca made it absolutely clear that it was **being hugged and kissed** that brought him back. He started to come back and regain his senses before the Diamonds hugged him, just from Garnet and Lapis. And it wasn't the Diamonds who ultimately made him come back, it was Connie who was the final push. Further evidence he was not corrupted: When Connie kissed him and he cried, his tears had aura, **and he ocean-water turned pink from it.** We did NOT see the water change color at all, nor the release of any aura-light, from the other Diamonds. He came back literally from an actual normal hug and kiss.Nickobloke said:the other diamonds where sharing a body of water with him when he was turned back to normal which is how corruption was healed before, but It might have just been him shapeshifting with full potential pink diamond powers while having a mental breakdown.
Hmm, actually that maybe something, but I think the only reason she overpowered them was because she was more experienced and had way more practice in certain abilities, the two lapis' even said that she was teaching them new things.Sorvoe551 said:Could Lapis be boosted by taking on two other Lapises, who are confirmed terraformers, and overpowering them both?