Still confuses me

[Kodai_no_Kami]

What is the qualification for Conceptual Manipulation type 2? Some example, please

 

[ProudLearner]

The entire Dragon Ball series (Canon or Non-Canon) has not yet display any Conceptual Manipulation.

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

Using my glorious wisdom (sorry, I'll change it)

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask Assaltwaffle to comment here if you wish.

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

bump

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

The manipulation of a concept on a certain plane of existence. For example a multiverse. Changing the concept alters reality to fit the change. This is Type 2. If I changed the concept of an "archetypal donut" (the iconic round ones with a hole in the middle) to a cube instead it would reverberate across the plane of existence and every object which fits the concept of "archetypal donut" would change.

A qualification would be Gods from D&D who represent concepts across an entirety of a multiverse or so and altering the concept alters reality.

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

So, wat differs it from type 3?

 

[Planck69]

Type 3 concepts can be affaected by altering every object represented by them. Type 2 concepts are independent of their objects.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

If you change every object tied to a Type 3 Concept then the concept itself changes. Type 2 Concepts is likened to Platonism which is why they're called "False Platonic". It's where everything in reality "participates" within the concept so changing everything tied to it does nothing. Which is why the page says "transcendent of reality".

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

So why does the "Created sth on a conceptual level" count as type 2?

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

You're talking about Big Es page? Because creating entities on a Type 2 level is Type 2.

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

So the Primarchs are type 2 concepts?

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Yes. They're pretty much like the Emperor's Greater Daemons in physical shells.

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

So how about that "fighting on a conceptual level" stuff of Galactus Lifebringer?

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

It's because they're abstract entities fighting on the same plane of existence as Type 2 Concepts that govern over the entirety of Eternity.

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

So, type 2 conceptual manip is basically controlling concept on a higher plane than 3D?

 

[Everything12]

Not exactly, no, as you can have 4D Type 3 Concepts.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Think of layers. A metaphysical realm is one layer and the physical another, influencing the physical does nothing to the metaphysical, influencing the metaphysical does everything to the physical.

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

So type 3 is back and forth while type 2 is just one direction?

 

[Everything12]

Something like that

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

You can think of it that way ig

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

ok, thanks guys, now we can close this and call it a day

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

Oh, wait, just one more thing, type 2 is better than type 3, right?

 

[Everything12]

Yes

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Type 2 = Concepts on a level beyond reality itself (The objects)

Type 3 = Concepts on the same level as reality

 

[Kodai_no_Kami]

ok, we can close this now

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.