Summer Time Rendering; Existence Precognition Shenanigans

[Fallen_Angelicx]

https://vsbattles.com/posts/7723230/
Briefly, in this thread linked above, I made a Q&A About a Type Of Hax issued to a Character who always exists in the future and sees time from there.

In STR, Ryuunosuke, A Shadow, who was made by Haine's Data (Data is what shadows are), and printed and shifted by her 2 seconds ahead in the future when she made him, giving him the abilities to act, see, and exist there. He is even able to forsee attacks hitting his enemy from the future where he stands, making them sure hits, only to be countered and can only be countered by Haine who has the same ability as himsel and the progeniter of his abilities. With this ability, the users can hear words even before they're mentioned, forsee natural events like cloud to ground before they happen, and most notably in the series, Bullets.

As such with what was discussed in the thread. This ability should give both Haine and Ryuunosuke.

• Passive Time Manipulation, Precognition & Intangibility (Dimensional) (Ryuunosuke is printed & shifted in coordinates 2 seconds ahead in time, as such he is able to see visions of 2 seconds into the future in a split moment and he always fights and acts two seconds into the future<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinpei_Ajiro#cite_note-78"><span>[</span>77<span>]</span></a>. This ability includes speech, natural events like cloud-to-ground lightning, gun fire directed at him or others and even stealth attacks he isn't aware of<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinpei_Ajiro#cite_note-79"><span>[</span>78<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinpei_Ajiro#cite_note-80"><span>[</span>79<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinpei_Ajiro#cite_note-81"><span>[</span>80<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinpei_Ajiro#cite_note-82"><span>[</span>81<span>]</span></a>)
  • Unconventional Precognition (Able to look into the future to see his attacks conventionally landing on his opponents from the future making them a sure hit and undodgeable when resonated in the present<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinpei_Ajiro#cite_note-83"><span>[</span>82<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinpei_Ajiro#cite_note-84"><span>[</span>83<span>]</span></a>)

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Hmmm

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

So this is it.... the feeling of hopelessness defending a unknown verse...

 

[Reiner04]

This all seems to me just precognition and efficient usage of it. It doesnt seems to me time manp.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

This all seems to me just precognition and efficient usage of it. It doesnt seems to me time manp.

How so? These characters exist in the future. Its not just simple Precognition

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

How so? These characters exist in the future. Its not just simple Precognition

There is no Acasuality for this type of existence either as the thread Q&A made certain. I don't understand why this is simply passed off as Precognition.

 

[Reiner04]

How so? These characters exist in the future. Its not just simple Precognition

The character exist in future and thus controls his actions of past and stays unaffected to any threat until the guy has precognition too or something. Its just weird sort of existence but time in not being manipulated or used. I suppose you can give him passive causality manp for this.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The character exist in future and thus controls his actions of past and stays unaffected to any threat until the guy has precognition too or something. Its just weird sort of existence but time in not being manipulated or used. I suppose you can give him passive causality manp for this.

Im confused from hearing so much different terms but I understand. Im guessing you disagree with Dimensional Intangibility?

 

[Reiner04]

Im confused from hearing so much different terms but I understand. Im guessing you disagree with Dimensional Intangibility?

Yeah. Tho functionally its similar but the method used doesn't has anything to do with intengibility.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump

 

[SomebodyData]

Wow what a complex ability

From my perspective, which I must note, does not have any experience with the verse, it would be:

Limited Time Manipulation and Body Control (Ryuunosuke is printed & shifted in coordinates 2 seconds ahead in time, from which he can control Hizuru's body in the present)

• Unconventional Precognition for Hizuru / Host (As Ryuunosuke is able to see visions of 2 seconds into the future in a split moment, his actions while controlling Hizuru will always take into account the fight two seconds into the future)

You can also technically argue that from Ryuunosuke's perspective, it's Retrocognition but that might require more evidence.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Wow what a complex ability

From my perspective, which I must note, does not have any experience with the verse, it would be:

Limited Time Manipulation and Body Control (Ryuunosuke is printed & shifted in coordinates 2 seconds ahead in time, from which he can control Hizuru's body in the present)

• Unconventional Precognition for Hizuru / Host (As Ryuunosuke is able to see visions of 2 seconds into the future in a split moment, his actions while controlling Hizuru will always take into account the fight two seconds into the future)

You can also technically argue that from Ryuunosuke's perspective, it's Retrocognition but that might require more evidence.

Interesting. What evidence would I need per say? There's many I believe i can bring up. Ima skim through the page of Retrocognition and see what's up. I wanna note aswell, very very complex ability indeed. In the series, it makes the users so broken that they basically have to read the future someone else already saw to change it Precognition makes them untouchable conventionally inverse, because they see time.

 

[SomebodyData]

Interesting. What evidence would I need per say? There's many I believe i can bring up. Ima skim through the page of Retrocognition and see what's up. I wanna note aswell, very very complex ability indeed. In the series, it makes the users so broken that they basically have to read the future someone else already saw to change it Precognition makes them untouchable conventionally inverse, because they see time.

For retrocognition, you'd need to be able to show that Ryuunosuke is also capable of perceiving the world through Hizuru's PoV or point in time.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

As it stands, they definitely do not have the ability to see the past, only the future


After reviewing, it seems, the explanation behind why Ryuunosuke can see the future is because; His Existence is printed there, which allows his present self to see what danger is to come, whether it be himself or someone else. Honestly, You guys are kinda right. Its complex but Him and Haine do not have any direct control over time or space with this ability. Sure they can forsee their own attacks landing on others from the future

They simply have the see and act. Not comtrol. It is undoubtedly a severe case of Precognition, I believe body control can be switched with Dimensional Intangibility since they're actively moving in and out of the present and future (future to see, present to act) and forseeing their own actions being set. Just a very weird case of Dimensional Intangibility.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

For retrocognition, you'd need to be able to show that Ryuunosuke is also capable of perceiving the world through Hizuru's PoV or point in time.

Nope, I have one last piece of evidence. Im imgurimg rn

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

For retrocognition, you'd need to be able to show that Ryuunosuke is also capable of perceiving the world through Hizuru's PoV or point in time.

So to answer this. This is exactly what doesn't happen. You see, Ryuunosuke views the world from his own perspective, his own perspective when not influenced can see and affect the world however (Meaning he can forsee his attacks and stuff landing normally and see the future)
However, Haine using her own ability forsee the future Ryuunosuke sees, and from that she is able to relay that information to let's say... another shadow to let them know, "Hey! Ryuunosuke blasted your head off in the future, you gotta dodge to this angle to avoid it". Haine was actively overseeing this fight you'll see taking place below. They both have the same ability, and a user can be countered if another user sees their future to counteract. The explanations are below and another example is set below.





"My bullets should have hit"
"But I forsee that shot hitting?!"
"She can see my movements two seconds into the future"

These are the giveaways, including How Haine herself described the ability. Data being printed 2 seconds into the future which translates to one's existence. Because Shadows are Data. Both Haine and Ryuunosuke are Shadows.
They can see, act and partially influence time from there, as they can forsee their own future self landing attacks

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

In conclusion. I can confidently say. Yes, Infinitely complex. especially with how Data works within Summer Time Rendering. And Haine is basically an entity that controls and views time/timelines (If you check her profiles abilities). This ability is her handy work, its kinda symbolizes Fate Manipulation but she isn't manipulating fate. Its also like time hax but she isn't manipulating time either. She just exists in the future at all times, compared to any other character who exists in the present. This is really my only explanation, this ability confuses me too. Yall have to invent a new acasuality type for this

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Welp

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Mood

 

[SomebodyData]

Well with retrocognition off the table, I guess we need another staff vote. Do you know any staff member that might be interested?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Well with retrocognition off the table, I guess we need another staff vote. Do you know any staff member that might be interested?

I honestly have no idea.

 

[Dalesean027]

Wow what a complex ability

From my perspective, which I must note, does not have any experience with the verse, it would be:

Limited Time Manipulation and Body Control (Ryuunosuke is printed & shifted in coordinates 2 seconds ahead in time, from which he can control Hizuru's body in the present)

• Unconventional Precognition for Hizuru / Host (As Ryuunosuke is able to see visions of 2 seconds into the future in a split moment, his actions while controlling Hizuru will always take into account the fight two seconds into the future)

You can also technically argue that from Ryuunosuke's perspective, it's Retrocognition but that might require more evidence.

this should be fine

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Wow what a complex ability

From my perspective, which I must note, does not have any experience with the verse, it would be:

Limited Time Manipulation and Body Control (Ryuunosuke is printed & shifted in coordinates 2 seconds ahead in time, from which he can control Hizuru's body in the present)

• Unconventional Precognition for Hizuru / Host (As Ryuunosuke is able to see visions of 2 seconds into the future in a split moment, his actions while controlling Hizuru will always take into account the fight two seconds into the future)

You can also technically argue that from Ryuunosuke's perspective, it's Retrocognition but that might require more evidence.

2 votes mean this can be concluded in 12 hours right? Or do I need more moderation votes

 

[Reiner04]

2 votes mean this can be concluded in 12 hours right? Or do I need more moderation votes

Two votes should be enough. Considering the varying opinions, I’ll remain neutral on time manipulation. This can be applied since 48 hrs has been long passed.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Two votes should be enough. Considering the varying opinions, I’ll remain neutral on time manipulation. This can be applied since 48 hrs has been long passed.

Understood Thanks. Ig Haine gets Limited Time Hax Applicable to her Precog, unlike Ryuunosuke, she doesn't control anybody to make movements.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Thank you guys

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Haine

Haine (ハイネ, Haine) is the God of Hitogashima, Hiruko no Mikoto and "Mother" to the Shadows. Itself supposed to be an ancient being from outside the world, sustained by copying and transforming itself into its nearby things. It then arrives on Earth, falls into the sea turning into a whale, ends...

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May this page be opened so I can apply the changes?

 

[SomebodyData]

Opened, let me know when you're done so I can close it

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Opened, let me know when you're done so I can close it

Done!