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(Super To Aru Revision) A Certain Magical Revision Genesis Testament

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Hey, hey, fanta here! ... Y'know the purpose of this CRT, so... Let's just get to the point. This CRT's Purpose is to upgrade the Top Tiers/HighTiers/Anybody who isn't High 1-C Being via the number of calculations I've created and the number of calculations I've found in Reference of Common Feats and two feats I found in Jasonsmith's page of references of common feats. Let's start, shall we?

... Oh, and I am not removing the super part of the title /s. JK. If it is too bothersome, I'll remove it. Oh, and through the power of an online word counter, this CRT is around 19k words or something... It isn't important, but man... I really worked on this CRT for goodness knows how long. I really hope that my next CRT(s) aren't going to be as long as this.

TLDR

  • UES System for To Aru (*) (Only for certain characters; nobody from any tier lower than the high tier (barring Aleister and Othinus) will be affected by this)
  • Upgrade the Top Tiers to At Most 4-A (Fiamma's Base and Ollerus) | At Least 4-A (Fiamma LPSaD, Invisible Thing, Othinus) | At Least 4-A, Possibly Higher (Aiwass, Aleister (SoG), Coronzon, Anna) | At Least 4-A, likely higher, higher with Black Wings, much higher with White Wings, far higher with Platinum Wings | At Least 4-A, likely 3-A. possibly far higher (Nerfed Magic Gods) (*) (Read the sections regarding this for more in-depth details)
  • Upgrade the High Tiers to At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C | Add Every Level 5 (besides Misaki) to the High Tier Group and make their AP & Dura (excluding Mikoto for the dura bit) with their Esper Abilities to At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C | Give Thor & Leivinia At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C via Magic in their Durability Section
  • Downgrade/Upgrade the Joker Tiers (Barring Othinus - well, maybe her Dying From Fairy Spell key could be affected by this?), Low Tiers, and Middle Tiers to At Least 8-C, Possibly 8-B | Edit due to recent developments in this CRT: Joker Tier, Low Tier, and Middle Tier - At Least 8-A, possibly higher _ Touma & Accelerator: At least 8-A, likely at most (High Tier rating here), possibly far higher
  • Profile Fixes - Give Thor Standard Melee Range (via his fists), 20m to 2km (via his Arc Blades), and Planetary Range (via Almighty Thor) in his range section, and give him Unknown physically, far higher with Megingjord Lifting Strength (Note: his profile doesn't have any mention of Lifting Strength in it, and there isn't any source on the internet for Thor's only actual LS feat, i.e, lifting a broken highway overpass, thus, this is the only way to fix this issue); Remove Touma's second and third keys and combine them to his base (as they both stem from his right hand and manifest when it is removed from his body) and make Touma's Invisible Thing's Dura match its AP; Rework Marian's profile by combining her first two keys together; remove every single one of Hamazura's key besides his base key (as they only pertain to one-off pieces of equipment Hamazura used once and never again as they are stuff that he doesn't own (and just found on the battlefield) and can't reacquire again - (Edit: make an optional equipment section in Hamazura profile, remove the keys, but still link 'em to their profile in the wiki); fix Mugino's ratings with her three other tiers; remove Etzali's other keys; Fix Aleister's Tier-plus-Ratings (Edit -Make New Keys Altogether) - Pre-NT18 - At Least 8-A, Possibly Higher Physically, higher with Spiritual Tripping, At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C with Magic, 3-A with Big Bang Bomb, High 1-C with Blasting Rod | Post-NT18 - At Least 8-A, Possibly Higher Physically, At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C with Blood Sacrifice, At Least 4-A, possibly higher with Son of God Synchronization, higher with Spiritual Tripping, far higher with Magic, 3-A with Big Bang Bomb, High 1-C with Blasting Rod; remove all of Gabirel's keys to fit along with the recent line of thought that WWIII Gabriel & AF Gabriel are the same.

Calculations - Total Number is 9 AP Calculations

AP
  1. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Shaking_the_entire_Universe | (???) [4-A / Multi Solar System level] {Idk the right magnitude for this. Oh, and uh... While there is Accelerator's shaking the universe feat done by DT, I did some looking at the comments and found out that DMUA did a universe shaking calc (for common feats), and theirs and DT's universe shaking calcs were both considered for references for common feats - and DMUA's won out, so... Upgrade for Accelerator?} (Made a mistake here; ignore this)
  2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/R...ng_a_pocket_dimension_containing_a_starry_sky | (1.688e63 Joules, or 16.88 ExaFoe (???)) [4-A / Multi-Solar System level] {Asked in the calc discus thread, and was told to use the creating a pocket dimension containing a starry sky for Misha's feat of moving every star in the sky and her creation of stars feat - could also use this for Othinus' raining down stars feat as well, and for another Magic God doing the exact same feat in the World Rejector world.} [Oh, and this is the post from a CGM that told me to default to the creating a pocket dimension containing a starry sky / blowing up a starry sky for Misha's feat; and this is the post that lead me to it)
  3. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Illuminating_the_entire_Universe | (2.75 KiloFoe) [4-B] {Aiwass' illuminating an entire universe feat during NT18}
  4. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...N_Feat_Calculation_Part_10#Calculation_Feat_2 | (28.465 Foe) [4-B] {In case, it isn't accepted to use the starry sky feat from references for common feats for Gabriel's feat}
  5. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...N_Feat_Calculation_Part_10#Calculation_Feat_2 | (21.34875 Foe) [High 4-C] {In case, it isn't accepted to use the starry sky feat from references for common feats for the Magic God(s) feat(s)}
  6. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_5 | (406.03 Ninatons of TNT) [High 5-A / Dwarf Star level] {Misha's Moon feat during Angel Fall}
  7. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...the_Earth_from_the_Solar_System_with_One_Push | (1.26 Yottaton of TNT) [5-B / Planet level] {Misha's feat during the last part of the WW3 Arc, right before Touma punched her out of existence}
  8. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Calculation | (3.37 Zettaton of TNT) [Low 5-B / Small Planet level] {Full power of Misha's Sweep during Angel Fall}
  9. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#The_Earth's_Rotational_Energy | (61.66 Exatons) [5-C] {Misha's feat of being able to stop the Earth's Rotation}
  10. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Calculation | (33.70 Exaton of TNT) [5-C / Moon level] {Power of Misha's Incomplete Sweep during WWIII}
  11. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jasonsith/A_page_for_reference_of_common_feats_by_Jasonsith#Vaporising_the_Earth's_Ocean | (829 Petatons) [High 6-A / Multi-Continent level] {For Fiamma being able to dry up all the water in the oceans}
  12. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/R...so=search#Destroying_the_Surface_of_the_Earth | (646.57085 Petatons) [High 6-A / Multi-Continent level] {For Fiamma doing an attack that would've made an explosion that would encompasses the Earth's surface but was stopped by Accelerator | {Also, a feat that happened in the World Rejector World via a Magic God doing it to another Magic God}
  13. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_10#Calculation_Feat_1 | (24.95 Petatons) [High 6-A] {Aleister's spell during her last fight with Mathers}
  14. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U.../Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Calculation | (1.68 Teraton of TNT) [Low 6-B] {Power of Individual Sweep Arrow in Angel Fall and WWIII}
  15. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_3 | (517.24 Gigatons of TNT) [High 6-C / Large Island level] {Brunhild's feat in making an eruption during Kanzaki SS}
  16. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_4 | (1.03292764e12 tons) [Class P] / (21.97 Gigatons of TNT) [6-C / Island level] {Index/Fiamma's Lifting of the Star of Bethlehem}
  17. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Extra_Calculation | (10.04 Gigatons of TNT / 5.02 Gigatons of TNT) [Island level / Island level] {The 10 GT is due to Misha suddenly self-destructing, and 5.02 Gigaton of TNT is due to Accelerator and Hyouka stopping the explosion by working together}

Explanation + Context

The only "true" 5-B is Fiamma of the Right in his second key, which comes from Planet Busting statements, i.e, he is baseline 5-B in this key (or equal to Earth's GBE due to the Planet Busting Statement, idk for sure tho) and nothing more or less. There is also one of Touma's Dragons that is 5-B but only in Durability and Othinus' crossbow that is 5-B in its Attack Potency, but they are at the same level of baseline 5-B as Fiamma, so disregard them, now... Let me outline the scaling chain.

Explanation

(Character B) <<< (Character A) - Chara A stomps Chara B

(Character B) < (Character A) - Chara A is stronger than Chara B, same as downscaling but to a much higher degree

[] ~ (Character A) ~ [ (Character B) ] - Chara B downscales to Chara A, i.e, weaker than Chara A but is still somewhat comparable and can fight them even if Chara A has the upper hand in most of their fight or at least something along those lines; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is weaker than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

{} ~ (Character A) ~ { (Character B) } - Chara A and Chara B are around the same ballpark, i.e, but aren't totally equal with each other with their being some leeway of whose is the stronger of the two; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is comparable than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

Character A = Character B - Chara A and Chara B are truly equal to each other

Fiamma LPSAD <<< Touma's Invisible Thing (WWIII) ~ [ Touma's Invisible Thing (Baggage City} ] ~ [Possibly Touma's Dragons] <<< Othinus ~ [Ollerus] ~ [Fiamma Post-WWIII] ~ [Possibly Touma's Invisible Thing (Windowless Building) ] < Aiwass < Coronzon ~ {Aleister (Son of God)} = {Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers (Original Grimoire)} ~ {Anna Sprengel} ~ { Accelerator (w/Qliphah - Pre-Nephthys Fight) } < [Nerfed] True Magic Gods ~ [Accelerator (w/Qliphah - Post-Nephthys Fight) ] ~ [Possibly Anna Kingsford] ~ [Possibly Alice Anotherbible] ~ [Aleister (w/ prep time, the A.A.A, and Aiwass)]

Explanation of Scaling Chain Characters
  • Fiamma - Is the one who starts the chain via Planet-Busting Statements that are attributed to his second key. Fiamma in his first key (or at the very least, a state that is comparable to his first key), on the other hand, was capable of fighting alongside Ollerus and the teamwork between them was enough to force a draw with Othinus, and in the last fight before Othinus' overcame her 50/50 weakness, Fiamma could pierce her body with a stake and Fiamma's Holy Right could protect him from her attacks to some degree.

  • Touma - Has an Invisible Thing (IT for short) that only appears if his right arm has been severed from his body and it made a major appearance after Fiamma, well, did the arm-cutting thing and then it appeared to no-sell his attack with no effort whatsoever and and made him feel fear towards Touma's IT, feel inferior power-wise to Touma's IT, and out shadowed by Touma's IT to the point that he felt a single twitch of a finger or blink of an eye could have a major effect on the outcome of the battle. It, apparently, was weaker when Othinus forced it out, but stronger when Aiwass forced it out of him.

  • Othinus - Her first true on-screen appearance had her destroy Touma's right arm and force Touma's IT out, she then casually crushed it with ease and called it disappointing after she caught wind of Touma's IT appearance during the final parts of Touma's fight with Fiamma. Has an attack that is stated could destroy a planet or two, which is the crossbow that I mentioned at the start of this section regarding 5-Bs.

  • Ollerus - Can fight Othinus on (somewhat) equal grounds on two separate occasions on-screen (and possibly other occasions prior to canon) and is powerful enough to be considered a roadblock to Othinus' plans, but loses to her in overall power due to him being the person who failed to become Magic God and Ollerus had to resort to depowering her in order to have a clear chance of winning in their final battle, which backfired horribly and made her a true High 1-C being without any downsides. He was also confident enough to go inside Academy City beat up several clones and the strongest Gemstone Esper to send a message to Aleister if he continues what he was doing with other Gemstone Espers.

  • Aleister (Son of God) - In his first key, he defeated Fiamma, however, he has a powerset that counters Fiamma's power (Fiamma's Power was to use the exact amount of power to defeat his opponent, Aleister's power is to make his attacks 10x/100x/1000x/etc what his opponent's expect without limit), although, Fiamma, despite not knowing Aleister's abilities, did still consider his battle with Aleister one that he couldn't win. In his third key, he can fight Coronzon and defend against her attacks. Killed two Nerfed Magic Gods with her magical energy and likely a lot of prep time, however without prep, he could only survive an encounter-slash-quick fight with a Nerfed Magic God (Niang-Niang) who was messing around and losing to him on purpose.

  • Lola or Coronzon - Can fight Aleister (Son of God). Could defeat Aiwass after a prolonged battle in where she was weaker than usual and Aiwass was stronger than usual. Was able to withstand being treated as a chew-toy by every remaining True Magic God when she ended up in the dimension that they were thrown/BFR'ed in by Kamisato without much injuries (or she healed her injuries as she made her escape from that dimension). Could defend herself from assaults from a single Magic God and could fight them, however, it appears this is a great struggle and she was likely on the backfoot in that fight.

  • Accelerator (Post-Qliphah) - In his base key, he fought a Nerfed Magic God named Nephthys for sometime was able to harm her (with even her regeneration not getting in the way as the fight progressed) and was even acknowledged as an opponent that she was looking for. And at the end of their encounter, was able to force a draw between them by rendering each other "unable" to keep fighting although Accelerator was the one that was nearing death and Nepthys wasn't too bothered by everything that had transpired.

  • Aiwass - Could casually crush a much stronger verison of Touma's IT, and was an integral part of Aleister's plan of fighting Magic Gods - was a very important part of Aleister's feat of killing two True Magic God. Fought a weakened Coronzon for a period of time and called her attacks disappointing, but was nonetheless defeated by this weakened Coronzon while he was also in an environment that was advantageous towards him and explicitly powering him up. There is a statement from Othinus in where she considered Aiwass as a being who can oppose Magic Gods but as Othinus has never seen the Nerfed Magic Gods in actual action (Nephthys was in an extremely weakened state due to WR and she likely only has second-hand knowledge from Touma's encounter with High Priest), that statement from her was using herself (and likely Ollerus as well) as a basis. - At the very least, this means Aiwass is comparable to 50/50 Othinus and above Ollerus and Fiamma.

  • True Germlin / Magic Gods (Nerfed) - Aleister's feat of killing two Magic Gods was only successful due to planning sneak attacking and circumstances that Aleister won't be able to replicate without a massive amount of prep-time and she/he had no hope in winning in a direct fight without them. It was considered remarkable by the narrative for Lola/Coronzon to have survived against them. Also, Fiamma's fairy spell which pierced Othinus was brushed aside with no effect on the Magic God High Priest whatsoever - while there is a statement in where they considered Aiwass and Othinus as failures, that was only stated when the Magic Gods were at Full Power (during NT10-12) and weren't as infinitely nerfed x2 as they are now (NT13-onward until current times), nonetheless, they are the top dogs among top dogs of the 5-B chain, without any doubt. Probably.

  • [GT]

  • Anna Sprengel - Could casually injure Aiwass with her bare hands and considered Platinum-Winged Accelerator's feat of creating a new tree (law manip), which caused the side effect of shaking the galaxy as a byproduct of said feat, as trivial. Sprengel has also stated, that at her full power, she could casually kill Aiwass. A person that had been draining her powers for over a century and had control over her body boasted she could fight and kill two of the Nerfed Magic Gods and the other groups in NT22, and only spared them due to her plans. Which probably is somewhat true and applies to Anna considering everything else said about her in this section, or smth. Important thing to say that while her first appearance was in last parts of New Testament 22 and she only had a minor role in New Testament Reverse 22 (the last novel for the NT series), her overall important 'combat' feats started at Genesis Testament Volume 2, this series is also still on-going and Sprengel only had one actual fight with Touma, a lot of scenes in where she is threatening people with her power, one 'fight' where she is stomping a duo (Mikoto and Misaki) weaker than her in every possible way, and one (or two?) fights against characters that casually stomp her into the ground.

  • Anna Kingsford - Could casually stomp Sprengel. Note, she has only made an appearance in Genesis Testament Volume 6 and the current volume is 7 (with volume 8 likely coming soon-ish in a few months), so it is hard to put her in the scaling chain. Also, doesn't have a profile nor does she have enough abilities and showing to actually have one.

  • Alice Anotherbible - ... Said to be superior to exceptional among the Transcendents in the Bridge Builders Cabal, of which they have statements in where each and every Transcendents is powerful enough to rival the entire "normal" magic side on their own and of which Anna Sprengel is a part of this group, and has a few in-verse statements that put her around the same ballpark as Anna S... And apparently they had the implied ability of being able to kill Full Power Othinus, thus, 50/50% Othinus but didn't do jack since they would be stick in a pitch black void of nothing if they did, which was said by Kamachi, the writer, himself. Anyhow, Alice's main ability is dura-ignoring reality bending stuff that goes above what a lot of the character can handle and resist so it is hard to actually scale her as her main stick relies on stuff that pure stats can't really manage by itself. She is rated unknown as of now, so she doesn't matter on this CRT, anyhow. Just figured I should mention her here.


Basically, this section is going to be stuff that is important for the 6-Cs, but I have no better place to put 'em, so... yeah.

... Also, here. Scaling Chain, from what I got in my first CRT and other To Aru matches.

Explanation

(Character B) <<< (Character A) - Chara A stomps Chara B

(Character B) < (Character A) - Chara A is stronger than Chara B, same as downscaling but to a much higher degree

[] ~ (Character A) ~ [ (Character B) ] - Chara B downscales to Chara A, i.e, weaker than Chara A but is still somewhat comparable and can fight them even if Chara A has the upper hand in most of their fight or at least something along those lines; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is weaker than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

{} ~ (Character A) ~ { (Character B) } - Chara A and Chara B are around the same ballpark, i.e, but aren't totally equal with each other with their being some leeway of whose is the stronger of the two; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is comparable than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

Character A = Character B - Chara A and Chara B are truly equal to each other

[Note: In this scaling chain, it is actually possible for lesser members of the scaling chain to face off against higher members of the chain - Kaori vs. Carissa and Kaori vs. Acqua are prime examples of this - although, it will be a difficult fight for the lesser member, nonetheless. The only outliner is Kaori's quick battle with Knight Leader (w/ Curtana's Blessing), but that can be chalked up to being a bad encounter that caught Kaori by off guard and Knight Leader also has a convenient move that can explain away his no-selling - I.E, P.I.S that only happened once and should be ignored as it messed up with the entire chain.]

Misha's Wings < Carissa (w/ Curtana Shards) = {Maiden of Versailles (w/ Durendal)} ~ {Possibly Post WWIII Acqua} < Knight Leader (w/o Curtana's Blessing) < Kaori (Base) ~ {Levinina Birdway} ~ {Brunhild Eiktobel} ~ {Index [John Pen]} ~ {Mjolnir} ~ {Hel} ~ {Thor (w/o Mjolnir Support} ~ {Golden Dawn} < Knight Leader (w/ Curtana's Blessing) = [Acqua (w/ Ascalon] < {Knight Leader {w/ Pattern Magic + Hrunting Boost} < Carissa (w/ Curtana Original) ~ [Elizard (w/ Curtana Second)] ~ [Silvia] ~ [Possibly Thor (w/ Mjolnir Support] = Misha Kreutzev - {Kaori (w/ Breaker of God and Yuisen)} ~ {Kazakiri Hyouka} ~ {Pre-Qliphah Accelerator / Black Angel Wings Accelerator} < Acqua of the Back (Pre-Saint Destroyer)

Misha's Wings < Carissa w/ Curtana Shards < Kanzaki Kaori (Base) < Knight Leader w/ Curtana Blessing = Acqua w/ Ascalon < Carissa w/ Curtana Original = Misha ~ {Kanzaki Kaori (Yuisen & Breaker of God)} < Acqua w/ DMM & Sainthood

Important facts to consider in this scaling chain.

Yeah. Them. The group of people who I spent my last CRT upgrading to At least 8-B, likely 8-A. And, uh... I plan to touch 'em here too, so to speak. But that is for the proposal section.

So, for how this scaling chain will work... Basically, I brain-stormed until... I thought a little more deeply about Touma and Accelerator's fights, the many people that had hit them and make them take damage, and the fact that in a verse like OPM a small chunk of their characters scale to an an untrained and unexceptional 12 year old Saitama, who survived an attack that left a large crater on a wall.

But first... Let's set the chain.

Explanation

(Character B) <<< (Character A) - Chara A stomps Chara B

(Character B) < (Character A) - Chara A is stronger than Chara B, same as downscaling but to a much higher degree

[] ~ (Character A) ~ [ (Character B) ] - Chara B downscales to Chara A, i.e, weaker than Chara A but is still somewhat comparable and can fight them even if Chara A has the upper hand in most of their fight or at least something along those lines; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is weaker than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

{} ~ (Character A) ~ { (Character B) } - Chara A and Chara B are around the same ballpark, i.e, but aren't totally equal with each other with their being some leeway of whose is the stronger of the two; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is comparable than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

Character A = Character B - Chara A and Chara B are truly equal to each other

Accelerator (Pre-Headshot | No Powers) ~ [Misaki Shokuhou] <<< (Weakened) Touma Kamijou ~ [Leivinia Birdway] ~ {Stiyl Magnus} ~ {Uiharu Kazari} < Accelerator (Post-Headshot | OT13, and onwards | No Powers) < Mikoto Misaka < {Shirai Kuroko} = Touma Kamijou = Shiage Hamazura = Accelerator (Post-Headshot | OT20, and onwards until current | No Powers)

Oh, and for a scaling chain for Astral Buddy characters, and, well other science side characters that have not actually done anything of note in the mainline series, it follows the same as above chain until it reaches Kuroko and starts onward from there.

Astral Buddy - Shirai Kuroko ~ { (Injured) Arei Houjou (w/ Hard Taping)} ~ {Arei Houjou (w/o Hard Taping)} < (Non-Full Power) Junko Hokaze < (Peak) Arei Houjou (w/ Hard Taping) <<< (Full Power) Junko Hokaze < (Casual) Gunha Sogiita ~ [(Astral Buddy Support) Junko Hokaze]

Accelerator + Railgun Manga - Superior to Accelerator < Aiho <<< (Casual) Naruha (w/ Paper Golem) ~ [Doppelganer [Human-Sized] < (Serious) Naruha (w/ Paper Golem) = Huotou <<< Huotou (w/ support by Esther's Magic) < Narauha's Paper Excavator

Yes, there is a good number of people absent in the mainline scaling; which is 100% due to me desiring to keep it simple and not too messy, so I decided to end it with the three heroes. That is all. Plus, their placements are obvious since a good lot of them are either comparable to the three heroes like Etzali, Hanzou and Motoharu or superior to them like Yuiitsu, Shizuri, and Ritoku - and yes, the latter is succeeded by people like Saiai, who have explicit abilities that can increase their physical stats, and at the top of the chain is Junko at Full Power and those who scale to her Full Power.

This is also to ignore people like Musujime, who only fought Kuroko, Iruka, who only fought a Junko that wasn't going all out against her, or Seria, who only had a brief clash with Motoharu and lost an eye. At the very least, they are placed above Accelerator (Pre-Headshot | No Powers) and Misaki physically, for obvious reasons.

Important facts to consider in this scaling chain.

[Stuff that needs to be talked about the Level 5s and had some context be given to 'em, and there isn't a better place to talk about it]

Ye... Wasn't really planning to do anything involving the L5s, 'sides Accelerator, but I noticed a couple of things from reading TAMI NT again (for the smth time) and inspected a line mentioned in passing in the Railgun manga that stated Mikoto, or the her prior to the events of Index, was the weakest level 5 which was the thing that got the gears in my brain turning, and... Well, this section is the result of it. And then, I thought I could also use this section to talk about some other points mentioned in my second CRT regarding the level 5s, and here we are.

... Oh, and uh... here's a scaling chain... Not. Can't think of one other than, well... this.

[Misaki ~ Aihana Etsu <<< Mikoto (w/ AAA or w/o AAA) ~ Shizuri < Shizuri (Full Power) < L6S Mikoto ~ Gunha < Accelerator ~ Teitoku (Original / Dark Matter Revival / Beetle 05) ~ Rensa]

  • Accelerator (every single one of his keys 'sides his last key) - To explain Accelerator's situation for those not in the know, the albino's first key, in all technicality, is the strongest key among the keys that are included here as the second and third keys are versions of himself that suffered a headshot and lost over 50% of his ability (and he only has the remaining half due to using the brainpower of 9970+ clones). AP / Dura wise, Accelerator's first two keys are At least 7-B, possibly 7-A (with a transformation that is 6-C in his second key), however, Accelerator's base in his third key is listed as 6-C due to fighting a 6-C being... Despite the fact that there is absolutely no difference between Accelerator's first two keys and his third key power-wise in-story 'sides the minor detail of Accelerator getting his shit rocked by Aiwass without any effort that put him in the road to understand how to reflect magic... which had no direct mention of powering Accelerator up, other than in an intellectual manner by showing him the existence of the magic side of the world and their imaginary numbers. There also was no possible way for Accelerator to get stronger since before fighting that 6-C being, as he was traveling with a sick and ill girl that was slowly 'dying' and only fought grunts before he picked a fight with Touma - and lost, and then falling unconscious before waking up and having interactions and character development before fighting Misha.
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    • As for why Accelerator's last key is excluded, it is cuz that key pertains to an Accelerator that give an explicit power-up and allowed him to fight beings that were vastly above him beforehand and then obtaining a brand new transformation that makes him even more powerful than before. He also gains a few new abilities, a couple of new stuff in his standard equipment, an entirely different mindset, and a demon summon-slash-partner to support him and provide him with information via the fact that it encompasses Accelerator's current canon power level and status. Enough said.
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  • Kakine Teitoku/Beetle 05 - His first key scales to Accelerator's second key via an ability of his called Dark Matter that he can use offensively and defensively; which has showed feats of withstanding blows [1 + 1.5] from Accelerator's attacks [2] and matching Accelerator's attacks done through his Dark Matter ability [3], Teitoku could also bypass Accelerator's reflection with his Dark Matter and attack him directly for some time until Accelerator patched that hole in his defense up while also saving literal every civilian bystander in their fight at the same time as a big flex, which signaled the end of their fight. Teitoku's Second Key, where he turned into a pile of organs by a pissed off Accelerator and returned by binding his conscious into elementary particles that is his Dark Matter to create a brand new body for him that was made entirely from Dark Matter, scales to Accelerator's third key via a possibly rating through fighting Accelerator again w/Shizuri appearing and helping the #1 out, and then Beetle 05 fighting a cyborg Rensa, whose whole stick is having the exact copies of every Level 5 abilities (besides Gunha's due to its unexplainable nature) and other Esper abilities in a certain radius, alongside Touma and with Rensa deciding that Kakine was the greater threat and that he should be taken out first... Oh, to explain Beetle 05... Well, uh... Being reduced to literal organs in a fridge and turning himself into a literal hive-mind had screwed up Kakine's mind and split himself into several aspects - Beetle 05 is an aspect of Teitoku's that desired to protect which overtook the control the aspect of Teitoku that desired to kill and had that thought it was the main Teitoku, and became the main and current Kakine Teitoku.
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  • Misaka Mikoto - She picked a fight with a Saint named Brunhild. While she was on the backfoot and we didn't see too much of their fight, we do know that Mikoto did inflict some damage on Brunhild with her biri-biri powers, could hold off Brunhild's physical strikes by pushing them back with the stuff that she electromagnetically controlled and was able to make Brunhild consider her a opponent worthy of being spoken to, and apparently Mikoto thought that the railgun was effective against her (and judging by Mikoto's shock and and genuine losing of confidence after High Priest deflected her railgun with ease, Brunhild might've thought it was safer to dodge it rather than block it with her magic or physical strength), and was able to hold off Brunhild for some time to the point that she (and Thor) could help Touma for a bit until his fight with Leivinia was finished. I would like to also to point out that she was bought to help by Thor, who should've a general idea of the baseline of strength that Saints have and still thought she would be of help; plus, logically, if she was vastly below Brunhild and just an annoying "fly" to her, the saint should've had no trouble in escaping her grasp and joining Silva in defeating Thor together and just finish off Mikoto once that was done with - but Silvia herself thought of Mikoto as an opponent and thought the correction course of action, after she thought she had defeated Thor, was to help Brunhild out in defeating Mikoto, heck, she even considered their battle an actual battle and not her just being a pest and hinderance to Brunhild.
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    • Mikoto's Anti-Art-Attachment / w/Shokuhou Misaki's support - I want to explain something here. In the later parts of NT, Mikoto had begun to undergo a dark character arc in where she was obsessing over a way to get stronger and have more power after getting casually brushed aside and treated as a burden to Touma in one fight which showcased to her that she was weak and then later getting into another fight with an opponent that countered her abilities perfectly that showed her that her own abilities weren't enough - and when Mikoto found the AAA and used it for the first time, she was convinced that it was the way to go and kept repeatedly using it up until the time it was destroyed in GT2, so.... It shouldn't be weaker than her base abilities as it narratively wouldn't make sense for her to use something that is weaker than her. That, and it was also able to fight with Index's John Pen Mode for some time.
      • And yes, Misaki is being mentioned here since she has consistently teamed up with Mikoto since a lot of the moments in where Misaki was in fights scenes in NT she was alongside Mikoto w/the AAA and she is needed partner for Mikoto's AAA to use its strongest attack, so... it should be okay for the AAA's Liquid-Proof Railgun to be mentioned directly in the AP section of Mikoto's second key as it is already mentioned in the weakness section anyways. Additionally, it should be mentioned that Mikoto is the one of the major components responsible for the strength of her Liquid-Proof Railgun - Misaki's own purpose being there was to make sure that the bottleneck of the destructive force Mikoto's railgun was gone and that frictional heat doesn't burn away her projectile via a unique coating, which accelerates it more and grants "limitless" speed - everything else was done with Mikoto's own strength from my own understanding, which was enough to destroy something that could tank Accelerator's High 6-A using the rotation of the earth to attack it with no sign of damage whatsoever.
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  • Mugino Shizuri - Basically, Shizuri's Third Key could flat-out [1] destroy Teitoku's Dark Matter [2] constructions and body with [3] her Meltdowner [4], with the only issue that Teitoku could regen his dark matter faster than she could destroy. Yeah, that is about it. However, we do know that NT!Shizuri is vastly more powerful and skilled than OT!Shizuri due to her experiences with Hamazura and off-screen training. We do know that Mugino got beaten pretty easily by Teitoku's in OT, twice, so there is that too, to imply a power-up. Oh, while Shizuri's Meltdowner can output more "offensive power" than Mikoto can to the point that she can insta-kill her, Shizuri can't use actually use this output lest she wants to cause her own self-destruction... again, with the prior self-destruction being the reason that she lost an eye, an arm, and suffered extreme amount of damage to her internal organs with the only reason she survived being immense willpower-slash-spite and the bullshit that Academy City has.
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  • Sogiita Gunha - Yeah, he is just flat-out superior to Mikoto. Like he fought a version of her that was berserk, bloodlust-ed, and dozens of times more powerful than her base for a good chuck of time w/Touma's help while also dealing with the fact that she has a canonical accelerated development ability that made grow stronger as time passed that allowed her to transform into a new states of being (I.E, a Garou situation... not as bad as Garou, tho) and #7 Ranked Level 5 could still keep up with her and her transformations up until the end of their battle... There is also the fact that Mikoto in her base had faced off with him in a fight that was interrupted, but while Mikoto was talking to a friend of hers she stated that she was convinced she would've lost their fight if it had progressed for any longer and that she needed to train to get stronger (although, Gunha thought the same about Mikoto and that he needed to train to get stronger as well). Oh, he also met Ollerus, took two hit from him with the intent of defeating him with overwhelming power behind them, and then got up from that and then engaged in a prolonged but offscreen battle with an Ollerus, who was likely holding back his full power, and lost and was spared by the man who should've become a Magic God but failed.
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  • Rensa - Yeah, nothing to say here. Just a cyborg that can use every ability of every level 5 that isn't Gunha with as much strength as the original owner of said powers.

Proposals

[Universal Energy System for Specific Characters]​

For those not in the know of what a Universal Energy System is, well... It is this;
  • Universal Energy System: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they had other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.
For a quick in-verse example; Gunha and Junko are prime examples for a Universal Energy System as their Esper Powers apply to their physical statistics (Rampage Dress and Gunha's Gutsy-ness) and their supernatural powers (Rampage Dress' electricity and... Gunha's Gutsy-ness). Accelerator with his various Wings, and Post Revival Kakine / Beetle 05 Kakine are another prime examples of candidates that qualify for a Universal Energy System.

This section isn't referring to the Science Side of To Aru, though, as those four are clear outliers with every other Esper not fitting the bill.

This section is entirely meant for the Magic Side of To Aru; specifically, High Tier, Top Tier, and God Tier Magic Side characters... Oh, and Accelerator will serve as example too, since he is built differently.

First off, there is Curtana. Yes, the Original, the Second, and the Fragments from the Second. Essentially like Fiamma with his Holy Right, the line-up of Curtana(s) draws power from the Archangel Michael from Christianity and grants the sword wielders the powers of Archangel Michael as long as they stay within the borders of England. Additionally, there exists a counterpart of Curtana, that is named Durendal, which uses spells unique to France to channel the destructive power of France itself into its blade. The importance of Curtana stems from the fact that along with the blessing to give the wielder of the sword free control over the Archangel Michael's power, it can empower the user and their knights, increasing their physical stats, all thanks to an energy named Telesma. Letting one man, known only by the title of Knight Leader, who is stated to be around the level of a notable figure of the verse named Kaori Kanzaki, who is a Saint without the empowerment, out-right stomp this figure in an extremely short time frame.

Now, let's talk about Leivinia Birdway, for a moment. She is a relatively powerful magician in the verse; she is also a twelve year girl with the "normal" body of one, she wasn't blessed with an absurd body that granted superhuman capabilities like Kaori or the body that became a possessor of an equivalent level of power of Saint through hard work and determination like Knight Leader - however, there is a moment in a side story that was released in parts around 2009-2010 that show-cased a moment in where Leivinia could equally clash with Kaori for an offscreen fight despite this fact, but then in 2013, it was revealed after a lost of hers that had a person explicitly state that Leivinia possessed the ability to increase her physical capability via magic but didn't want to use it - 100% because the person that she lost to was her "older brother" that she didn't want to hurt too badly but just enough so that he could be sidelined away from the danger, pointing this out in-case anybody wanted to know.

Side-note, the To Aru Verse also has a Thor and Mjolnir. Granted, To Aru's Thor looks like a bishonen that also happens to be a battle manic and Mjolnir is just a girl who woke up one day and decided that being subjected to human transmutation to because a cylindrical piece of stone was a sane and reasonable idea to do. What is important about this "duo" is the fact that Thor can borrow Mjolnir's power by making a link with her, which gives him a drastic change of appearance and gives him a source of power to draw into, which increases his "strength" but not his speed. The energy that Thor draws from Mjolnir appears to be contained inside of his body, but if this increase his durability unknown as he didn't showcase any scenes in where he was directly hit when he was using Mjolnir, other than a person using an exploit in Thor's ability which broke his wrists.

Accelerator, just like Leivinia, has something that can increase his physical abilities in the form of Black Wings and White Wings (and Platinum Wings). These wings of Accelerator seemingly increases the #1's durability and apparently physical strength as well, with the energy stemming from those wings flowing throughout the boy's entire body being responsible for this increase in albino's physical ability that doesn't show up when he isn't using them. Oh, and before one asks, essentially, he is like Thor with Mjolnir (this verse's versions of them) as well, but we do know for a fact that Accelerator's Wings increases his attack potency and durability courtesy of Aceelerator's two most notable feats with his Wings.

And thus, we now talk about Saints. Basically, in the To Aru Verse, Saints are just a bunch of superhuman mutants who have skeletons and organ placement identical to a certain Son of God, which grants them more strength than a human would have which works via one of the verse's magic system, Idol Theory, where a replica of a more powerful being or item can also gain a tiny portion of the original's strength, and since humans are said to be made in the image of God and Saints replicates the skeletons and organ placement of you know who... You get the idea. Kaori is one such superhuman, who is passively being empowered by the verse's magic system by default and can actively draw more of that power if need be, which all Saints can do, as they don't use 100% as a self-defense mechanism, although, there was a person who could output 200% of their power as a Saint, but he is an outlier among outliers, and there has never been a person like that since Kaori's fight with the man.

Back to Kaori, she also has access to a spell she has dubbed God Breaker, which through special breathing and her nodachi, she can enter a mode that further increases her superhuman-ness, however, it puts a great strain on her. Before we continue, I want to draw attention to Aleister for a moment, who used a spell that made her body purified and synchronized with that of the Son of God, like that of a Saint, said spell built her body up to a higher level, which she kept on until her death after defeating her enemy and accomplishing her goals.

And now we reach the "energy beings" of the To Aru Verse, and there are quite a few of 'em. Notable examples are the Golden Dawn reproductions, whose true identities are literal just a bunch of dusty tarot cards, but when powered by the ley lines, earth energy, they can manifest physical human forms and use the same same energy to use their spells. The Archangel known as Misha is like the Golden Dawn reproductions, but she uses energy from Heaven called Telesma and energy from the ley lines to maintain her existence and for her spells. Lastly, Hyouka Kazakiri and Aiwass doesn't use telesma and ley energy per say, but an entirely different energy source called A.I.M, which stems from 80% of the 2.3 million population that lives in Academy City, which is the energy source of Espers (Oh, Qliphah and Coronzon are also the same, but I am pretty sure we never got the name of their energy source and the latter maintained a flesh-and-blood physical form for the longest time until she was literally soul ripped out of that body) - All of these beings share the traits of needing their energy source, which powers their existence and basically anything they do, without their energy source, they either stop existing altogether or return to a non-physical form until they can get more energy.

Side-note, I am pretty sure that the Top Tiers like Magic Gods are kinda the same as the energy beings I talked about above - they just do it at a higher degree. Or something like that. They are just weird like that, and to my knowledge, it has never been explained - granted the lot of them are a bunch of bored monsters who constantly fight each other and endlessly destroy the world over-and-over with their bare hands, magic, or anything they come across, so eh.

Basically, the top brass of the verse have access to stuff that can be used for superpowers and buff their physical capabilities and that any feat that either one does is exchangeable for the other. There might be some people in the lower tiers that fit the requirements for UES like Junko, but they are outliers.

Okay, that is about it for this section - as the only reason why I wrote all of this up here was to explain why the heck did I even think that this CRT was even possible. Heh. Let's give this a shot, shall we.


[Upgrading the Top Tiers]​

Let's recap a few points for this proposal.

  • Fiamma's The One Above God state is merely a state that allows Fiamma to wield the power that should originally have been within him at its full output, a power that could easily wipe away the planet Earth and should, at the very least, be equal to the power that Archangel Michael has, who should be comparable to Gabriel, which should be superior to the incomplete and distorted being known as Misha Kreutzev, who can manipulate heavenly bodies / celestial bodies to create stars, remove all of the stars in the sky, move the moon to turn day into night, and so forth, who was weaker than those two.

  • Touma's IT casually crushed Fiamma's show of power and made him feel afraid - however, 50/50 Magic God Othinus showed up and crushed a weaker version of it with ease, and was seemingly prepared to fight the WWIII manifestation despite having knowledge of its power. Ollerus and Fiamma working together could fend off Othinus and drive her away from Touma. In their second confrontation, Ollerus could fight evenly with Othinus for a time and withstood some of her attacks (but at the cost of sustaining notable damage) to unwittingly pierce himself via an illusion before Fiamma managed to pierce Othinus with a surprise attack and protect himself from some of Othinus' attacks.

  • 50/50 Othinus and 100% Othinus aren't really different from each other; the former merely has an unavoidable weakness that the latter doesn't have, therefore, it is theoretically possible for any feats that 100% Othinus has done is something that 50/50 Othinus can done - like say, bringing down the moon to crush somebody or turning all the stars in the skies into danmaku and raining it down on a person.

  • There's Aiwass who casually crushed Touma's IT that grew stronger and was declared by Othinus to be a being that could oppose a Magic God, but as Othinus has never actually seen a nerfed Magic God in action and likely only has the information that Touma had about High Priest, she could only use herself (and likely Ollerus) for a basis in this statement. Who is then followed by Coronzon, who can match Aiwass while he was being strengthened and while she was being weakened, who is matched by Aleister (Son of God) who could fight her and destroy her attacks with physical blows who also had the magical energy that is necessary to kill a nerfed Magic God and could kill them, who was matched by Mathers evenly.

  • Then, everything is followed up by Accelerator, who has fought a number of 5-B people all by himself - Even a Magic God after Accelerator got a literal power-up via Qliphah undergoing character development while he was fighting Nephthys that made him much stronger than his previous showing - so the Accelerator that fought Nephthys is much stronger than the Accelerator that briefly fought Coronzon and Mathers.

  • Lastly, there is the nerfed Magic Gods in question who stand everybody else in this chain 'sides maybe Accelerator and Aleister w/prep time, who can pretty much do whatever the above can do, and are much stronger, to the point that Fiamma, who could pierce Othinus, wasn't even able to scratch High Priest with his improved spell... Again, statements in where they considered Othinus a failure and Aiwass a joke happened before they got hit by the nerf hammer, so aren't too important to this scaling chain.

  • And then there is the GT crew of Anna, Anna, and Alice, who I don't know where they belong, but eh. Stronger than Aiwass, at least, due to the first Anna, while heavily weakened, being able to easily fold him, but afterwards... Well. GT is still an ongoing novel, which should've a new volume in a few months from now.
Now for the things that make this upgrade possible...

Othinus as 100% Othinus could turn all of the stars in the sky into spears of light in an attempt to kill Touma, which should be something that 50/50 Othinus can do as Gungnir is merely item that Othinus has to rid herself of her 50/50 weakness and is not something that powers her up. A nerfed Magic God in the World Rejector World might be able to do the same feat as well - for context's sake, he is a guy named Tezcatlipoca; apparently, he is a (Magic) God of the Sun, he was created to combat the Spanish guy who was mistaken for the original Quetzalcoatl, being a Aztec Magic God and all of the Aztec spells in the verse being spells that use the light of other celestial bodies might mean the guy was using actual stars - or might not, it is hard to tell with text stuff.] (These feats are 4-A via the Starry Sky calc that I was told to default to due to all of these feats easily entering FTL KE territory and all of them being in light novel format) - (High 4-C, or near baseline 4-B for the Magic Gods if the 4-A can't be used here.)

When Aiwass was summoned by Aleister to battle in NT10, there was a weird feat - i.e, when summoned, a "universe" was filled with an explosion brighter than the sun, or, a universe illumination feat. Yeah, I'll give a bit more context here. Apparently, a windowless building named The Windowless Building in-story was invaded by Touma and his crew, it was discovered that the interior was affected by space manipulation hax, which was through "scientific means" considering Touma's Imagine Breaker didn't negate anything upon entering the space, which resulted in the windowless building being able to contain an entire Non-Euclidean dimension within itself. Somehow. (4-B)

While Misha herself is a High Tier character, she does have an interesting ability called Astro Hand; which has the power to manipulate celestial bodies. While this doesn't scale to the other High Tier since she didn't use it against them, granted, Misha had her reasons; she didn't want to bother since she was already sending down a spell that would turn half of the planet into ash upon immediately showing herself (Angel Fall), she was under the control of Fiamma (WWIII), she had returned to being "purely" Gabriel and not Misha and sought to return to heaven by melting the ice at the North Pole to replenish her physical body - uncaring of the fact this would screw up the world greatly as Gabriel's actions would cause an absurd phreatic explosion covering an area with a radius of 1000 kilometers and has the threat of making a major error in the Earth's orbital trajectory that would cause it to leave the solar system (Finale of Index), and only had a brief cameo-slash-mention before Aleister used a spell to destroy her-slash-banish her back to heaven (Aleister vs. Mathers fight). Oh, and getting to the point, Misha is capable of turning afternoon into night and move all of the stars in the sky so far away that they could no longer be seen near instantly and once Misha disappeared due to a group effort "defeating" her, which should've reverted the effects of her Astro Hand and returned the skies to normal, Fiamma stepped up and simply used his own power to keep the stars at bay and create his own stars for his ritual - and then Fiamma powered up via the aforementioned ritual and become The One Above God, which immensely superior to Misha and his Base Key to an immeasurable amount. (4-A, but I am sure that the only calc that can be used here is the starry sky calc)

Coronzon was confident that she could survive an incomplete activation of her Ceremony of Mo Athair, while it wouldn't activate the actual verse-wide wipe Coronzon actually wanted it to do, it was still stated that the incomplete ceremony was enough to destroy about half the universe - and that she just figure out another way to achieve her goals after her obvious enemies were dealt with, and she can't do that if she is dead. Although, there is the counter that this is probably only due to the physical body that Coronzon has used throughout the series is merely an avatar Coronzon that exists somewhere else, so this probably isn't good enough by itself. (Half of the Universe is... still 3-A? or just high end 3-B? Idk) (Edit: 3-B)

Aleister had no confidence whatsoever that she could defeat a Magic God, even the ones that were twice infinitely nerfed, despite having access to his Big Bang Bomb and having access to his Blasting Rod spell which multiplies the effects of his attacks by 10x at the spell's weakest. Said Big Bang Bomb was confirmed to have the actual effects of a Big Bang in-verse by the narrator and should be comparable to a Big Bang due to how Aleister's magic works. (This is 3-A)

Therefore, with all of this in mind, I make the following proposal for the 5-B characters.

For Base!Fiamma via Holy Right and Ollerus - At Most 4-A

Othinus, Touma's Invisible Thing and Fiamma (LSaPD) - At Least 4-A

For every 5-B character who aren't Ollerus, Othinus, Touma's Invisible Thing, and Fiamma and aren't the Nerfed Magic Gods and Accelerator [Aleister (SoG) (- and possibly every one of Aleister's keys if one takes into consideration that Fiamma thought it was a hopeless thing to challenge First Key Aleister to a fight and one considers the idea that Fiamma didn't get much stronger since his encounter with Aleister was less than two weeks ago in-verse), Coronzon, Aiwass, Anna] - At Least 4-A, likely higher

For Accelerator's AP (and only his AP in his last key) - At Least 4-A, likely higher, higher with Black Wings, much higher with White Wings, far higher with Platinum Wings

For nerfed Magic Gods - At least 4-A, likely 3-A, possibly far higher

New Justification Examples

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (Base w/ Index Controller) Attack Potency - Unknown physically, At most 4-A with Holy Right (Is the leader of God's Right Seat, the most powerful group inside the Roman Catholic Church. Was able to keep the skies starless after Misha Kreutzev after have been defeated by multiple forces working together. Likely comparable to Ollerus as the two fought Othinus together on two separate occasions. Was able to pierce Othinus with his Turn into a Fairy spell)

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (Base w/ Index Controller) Durability - Unknown physically, At most 4-A with Holy Right (Fiamma uses the Holy Right for both offense and defense)

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (La Persona Superiore a Dio) Attack Potency - Unknown physically, At least 4-A with Holy Right (Is immensely superior to his Base self. Is able to wield the unrestrained power of the Holy Right within a perfected world)

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (La Persona Superiore a Dio) Durability - Unknown physically, At least 4-A with Holy Right (Comparable to his attack potency)

New Justification for Ollerus' Attack Potency - At most 4-A (Is noted to be comparable to Othinus and a greater threat to her plans than Imagine Breaker but loses to her in overall power. Was confident enough to stroll into Academy City and beat down Sogiita Gunha to send a message to Aleister Crowely. Likely comparable to Fiamma of the Right as the two fought Othinus together on two separate occasions. Was capable of piercing himself with his own Turn into a Fairy spell after being caught into an illusion created by Othinus)

New Justification for Ollerus' Durability - At most 4-A (Took hits from Othinus through he was left rather injured, but was willing and able to continue to fight after Othinus had ascended past her 50/50 weakness)

New Justification for 50/50 Othinus' Attack Potency - (Was confident enough to face Touma's Invisible Thing after she noted its power during World War III. Was able to crush Touma's Invisible Thing weaker manifestation in Baggage City with her bare hands. Superior to Fiamma of the Right and Ollerus as the two had to fight together on two separate occasions to stand a chance against her)

New Justification for 50/50 Othinus' Durability (Comparable to her attack potency)


[Upgrading the High Tier + Adding Characters to this Group]​

Let's recap a few points for this proposal.

  • Misha attacks people with her wings a lot of the time, which are powered by Telesma which in turn fall under the boundary of Universal Energy System; which means, despite Misha's body being more harder than her wings, those who have cut and stopped those wings of hers (Kaori, Carissa, MoV) should roughly scale to them and Misha's other attacks - And of course, it is important to mention that Aiwass, Hyouka, Coronzon, and the Golden Dawn Magicians are the same as Misha, i.e, people who falls under the boundary of Universal Energy System.

  • Of course, the flesh-and-blood human High Tier members fall under the boundary of Universal Energy System, from my understanding as well, it is just the ones above who are the most notable people.

  • Kaori, in turn, has fought with a vast majority of the people within High Tier ranging from Misha (of course), Víðarr Shoes Woman, Leivinia Birdway, Brunhild, Acqua of the Black, Knight Leader, Carisaa, Mjolnir, The UK Trio (Acqua, KL, and Carissa), Aleister - basically, she is the backbone of the High Tier scaling chain - with people like Thor, Silvia, Accelerator, Golden Dawn Magicians, Index (John Pen), Elizard, and Kazakiri Hyouka having not fought her but have fought people that Kaori has fought or fought alongside people that has fought with Kaori.

  • The Level 5s possibly have a foot in the door to enter the territory of High Tier - Mikoto could fight a Saint for a time, NT!Mugino could blast away Teitoku's Dark Matter, Gunha is flat-out stronger than the two before him, Teitoku's Dark Matter could withstand and stop Accelerator's attacks, and Accelerator Pre-OT19 doesn't seem any different from his OT21 self barring a mentality change and another lost against Touma under his belt - with there being no direct mentions or suggestions in that getting whooped by Aiwass increased his physical capabilities and only increased his intellectual abilities in regards to magic.

  • Lastly, from my own gathering, there isn't any direct statements that Accelerator's various Wings bestow him varying amount of power - i.e, one wing mode is stronger than the other wing mode (baring the Platinum Wings, due to being special ones) - the only thing directed stated about them is that the Black Wings is driven by negative emotions and constantly wears against Accelerator's mind while the White Wings only manifest when Accelerator has the desire to protect something or someone - it bares mention that Wing Winged Accelerator's only feat was something that Accelerator was prepared to do with his Black Wings but was stopped by Last Order before he could.

Now for the things that make this upgrade possible...

Well. To start this section off, I want to talk about a Top Tier character named Fiamma of the Right. Basically, he had a flying landmass/fortress and needed to release it from the sky, however... Fiamma couldn't use the "normal" magic needed because he purified his "original sin" from his body to enter a secretive group known as God's Right Seat, which costed him the ability to use normal magic - and would result in him just becoming a "normal human" once he loses his Holy Right after using up all of its stock. To circumvent this issue, Fiamma decided to use the power of Index Librorum Prohibitorum, with 103,000 magical books in her head/perfect memory, to lift up his floating fortress thanks to his having a device that took away her free will but allowed her to use her full power of her 103,000 magic books. (6-C | Class P )

Brunhild, through wielding the legendary Norse spear Gungnir, could control lightning, floods, earthquakes, tornados, volcanic eruptions, and any other natural disaster as a weapon; which she used offensively via releasing magma from the ground to attack Kaori. While this may sound like this doesn't apply to physical stats, it appears Gungnir was passively releasing "pressure" that would've torn to pieces the bodies of "normal" magicians, that Brunhild's body was able to withstand this "pressure" and could draw out a lot of the spear's power, though she could only output 70% maximally of Gungnir's power but that is 100% attributed to Kaori attacking before Gungnir was fully completed. Also, Brunhild's Gungir could match Kaori's Yuisen, which is another feat for it. (High 6-C)

Through the power of magic, silver girl Aleister Crowely uses a spell that places the weight of the world on Samuel Liddell Macgregor Mathers in order to demonstrate her power and her feat of overcoming her inferiority complex and her complex towards a certain religion (High 6-A)

Basically, Accelerator got really, really pissed off and decided to pick up a building, infused it with the rotational energy of the earth (which reduced five minutes on the Earth's rotation), and threw it at a building that is named... The Windowless Building, which did nothing to it in the slightest. Flashforward many many volumes/years irl later... Mikoto and Misaki flies right next to the Windowless Building via the former's mecha, and the both of them decide to team up and create a new attack, the Liquid Proof Railgun, that is strong enough to damage the Windowless Building significantly - flashforward onto three volumes later, Mikoto decides to use this attack on a guy name Mathers and it fails due to his defenses being too strong - and then magical girl Aleister comes out of nowhere and uses a magical spell that bypasses Mathers' defenses and tears into his side... So basically, everyone else mentioned here that isn't Accelerator himself just scales above Accelerator's attack. (High 6-A)

On a side note, Accelerator can, while in a state that was nowhere his prime and his time limit for his ability fast approaching, he could still control the Earth's rotation below his feet, the earth's revolution, and all of the other forces and convert them into forces that he wants - meaning Accelerator's slowing the earth's rotation feat wasn't something that he put a lot of effort into, which was likely already the case since the text specifically says that the earth’s rotation slowed by about five minutes for September 30 (the in-verse date for this feat) in an instant. (Support)

While it is a bit weird to mention Fiamma of the Right, a Top Tier character, I am talking about him here since he has a couple of interesting feats attached to his belt that benefits the High Tier group since he did a feat here (while he was weakened) that a High tier character stopped. Essentially, Fiamma of the Right unleashed an attack that would engulf Eurasia at the very least that was also stopped by Accelerator ramming himself direct into it - and to expand more on this feat, it was stated to be an attack that would cause a ridiculously huge explosion will spread across the surface and could easily destroy all of human civilization; and Fiamma of the Right just figured that, at the very least, the entire continent of Eurasia will be enveloped by this attack considering the fact that he was in a flying fortress that was situated above Russia. Earth Surface Explosion, basically. Side note, Accelerator stopped Fiamma's attack that would have destroyed Eurasia at the very least or would've caused a human civilization-wiping explosion when he was in a rather bad condition; basically, Accelerator had suffered internal injuries from the recoil of casting a magic spell to save a young girl's life beforehand and Fiamma's attack almost came immediately after he regained consciousness after passing out for a bit. And the lack of any direct statement or implication that Accelerator's Wings are different in strength, and the fact that Accelerator was prepared to use his black wings prior to being stopped and unlocking his white wings, this High 6-A feat might scale to the both of Accelerator's winged forms. (High 6-A)

Lastly for this character; Fiamma of the Right via his ability, Holy Right, which powers every single one of Fiamma's actions in battle, is also stated by the narrative that he is capable of being able to dry the oceans of the world in a single strike, which is well... Within the same range as the feat above. (High 6-A)

But what is more than any of the above is Misha's Usage of the spell, Sweep. Before I mention anything more, I would like to say I have not seen any mentions in the novels of Misha's Sweep needing thirty minutes of constant barrages to "destroy the world" anywhere, just that Misha needs a thirty minute charge time to get everything arranged, and that the only usage of a barrage with Sweep that Misha used was during WWIII in which it was stated that it was a restrained usage of the Sweep that was commanded by a man that had explicit control over Misha's actions and who had a desire to "save" the world. The importance of Sweep stems from the fact that two High Tier characters was able to tank it (with minor injuries for only one character) and that it came from the thing that powers Misha and her other spells, which is important since Misha is under a UES (maybe), meaning, it scales to her physically and it appears that Misha was able to use her WWIII Sweep without any set-up or charge-time with only a thirty second reload time as a limitation, thus... Well, Acqua passively draws power from Misha, and he did safety absorb 33% of Misha's power actively, and only overloaded after taking 50% of her power actively in very quick timeframe without regard to his being, so scaling for him too. (5-C for Misha and those directly comparable to her, which is everyone in High Tier via Kaori Scaling | High 6-A for Acqua being able to absorb 33% of Misha's power in an instant without problem, and for those who downscale to him, which is everyone in High Tier via Kaori Scaling.)

One more thing about Misha, uh... Well, it is another one of Misha's abilities, really. Astro Hand. Which Misha has used to turn day into night, move the moon, stop Earth's rotation, move all the stars, and create new stars... It is the ability to control celestial bodies, which has been stated over-and-over all through out the first series of To Aru books to be something that Misha can do, and while it isn't something that she used offensively against people, Misha had her reasons - she didn't want to bother since she was already sending down a spell that would turn half of the planet into ash upon immediately showing herself (Angel Fall), she was under the control of Fiamma (WWIII), she had returned to being "purely" Gabriel and not Misha and sought to return to heaven by melting the ice at the North Pole to replenish her physical body (uncaring of the fact this would screw up the world greatly as Gabriel's actions would cause an absurd phreatic explosion covering an area with a radius of 1000 kilometers and has the threat of making a major error in the Earth's orbital trajectory that would cause it to leave the solar system) (Finale of Index), and only had a cameo before Aleister used a spell to destroy her-slash-banish her back to heaven (Aleister vs. Mathers fight). While people might argue that this doesn't scale to her, I would like to point out the fact that the celestial bodies that Misha manipulated stayed when she manipulated them to go until she was "defeated" and out of the picture.

...Just like a certain Starscourge, heh. Doesn't scale to anybody in this Tier Group, however.

Side Note

In essence, the rating for the High Tier is going to downscale to Misha's 5-C WWIII Sweep (and possibly scales fully to it) via Hyouka and Accelerator being able to tank it, Misha being able to gather up energy and fire it at the aforementioned duo near-instantly and only suffering from a thirty second reload time, and Acqua, at his full power, being stated to be superior to Misha and absorb 33% of her power with upmost ease - with Pre-Saint Killer Acqua being the only character getting a likely far higher rating, Misha and everybody else just getting a plain High 6-C, Possibly 5-C rating with no higher rating attached to it.

BTW, Thor gets At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C durability for Mjolnir's energy flowing throughout his entire power to power him up (like Accelerator w/ his wings), being able to withstand the recoil from point blank-explosion on his feat from his arc blades with no issue, could do the same with his arms, could dispel shockwaves from Silvia by creating explosions from his arc blades, and I should mention, when Touma fought Thor, a limitation was bought up that stated Thor's wrists suffer great strain if Thor's arc blades hits something they can't cut - like taking a metal baseball bat and swinging it at a concrete wall at speeds that a person can’t control.

Leivinia Birdway gets High 6-A, Possibly 5-C durability via Magic via scaling. That is about it.

Every combat-capable level 5s (barring Third Key Accelerator) get an At Most High 6-A, possibly 5-C rating. Due to Mikoto and Mugino's performance in NT6, Mikoto w/ The A.A.A being able to keep up with John Pen Index, Gunha and L6S Mikoto being stronger than her base self (and the latter growing by the second), Kakine being able to match Accelerator, who should be comparable if not equal to himself when he fought Misha in WWII alongside Hyouka.

Oh, and before anybody brings it up, it has never been once stated that Misha needs thirty minutes of multiple rounds of Sweep raining down the Earth to turn half of the planet into ashes - the entire issue with Angel Fall's Sweep was that they needed to stop the ritual to un-summon Misha in thirty minutes lest they all die, and the thing with WWIII's Sweep is that Fiamma is controlling Misha and reducing the potency of Sweep due to his save the world plan that couldn't work without a world for him to save.

Therefore, with all of this in mind, I make the following proposal for the the High Tier characters

Angel Fall Misha - At Least High 6-A (11.23 Exaton), possibly 5-C (33.70 Exaton) [Possibly 5-C is scaling directly to Sweep's 5-C End and At Least High 6-A is downscaling to it via Acqua's 1/3 / 33% absorption of Misha/Gabriel's power], up to Low 5-B (3.37 Zettaton) with Complete Sweep, 4-A with Astro Hand (Read this section's justification examples to get an idea on why I am trying this with Angel Fall's Misha)

Pre-Saint Killer Acqua - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C, likely far higher

(Mostly) Everybody Else - High 6-A, Possibly 5-C

The Level 5s - At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C

Justification Examples

New Justification for (AF) Misha's Attack Potency - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (During Angel Fall, Gabriel could fight against Kanzaki Kaori and put her on the defensive. Should be comparable to her World War III manifestation. She can produce tens of millions of Sweep arrows near-instantly, while only suffering from a short reload time afterwards) up to Low 5-B with Complete Sweep (If given thirty minutes, Sweep can unleash the full power of her Sweep spell, which is this strong), 4-A with Astro in Hand (Can supposedly stop the Earth's rotation if she wishes. Can moving the Earth and the Moon relative positions to turn day into night. Should be comparable to her World War III manifestation that could remove all of the stars in the sky)

New Justification for (AF) Misha's Durability - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Should be comparable to her Attack Potency)

New Justification for Kaori's Attack Potency - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Is regarded as one of London's strongest magicians. Could put Carissa with Curtana Original on the backfoot with assistance from Post Saint Killer Acqua and Knight Leader. Could fend off Carissa with Curtana Fragments, Post-World War III Acqua, and Knight Leader without Curtana's Blessing all at the same time for a long but unspecific time period during the manhunt for Othinus), higher with Yuisen (Can supposedly can cut an Archangel in half. Was able to clash evenly with Brunhild's Gungnir. Has been stated by Carissa that it is on the same level as Curtana Original's dimension-severing attack), far higher with Breaker of God (Using in tandem with Yuisen was enough for Kanzaki to cut down Misha Kreutzev's Telesma-infused wings during Angel Fall)

New Justification for Kaori's Durability - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Endured attacks from Acqua, Carissa, and others on this level)

New Justification for Pre-Saint Killer Acqua's Attack Potency - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C, likely far higher (Has harmed Kanzaki Kaori with his attacks and it has been stated that he is superior to her by a notable amount. Carissa with Curtana Original had noted that he would be a difficult opponent to kill. Kanzaki Kaori had remarked that she felt more power emitting from him than the incomplete summoning of Misha Kreutzev in Angel Fall.)

New Justification for Pre-Saint Killer Acqua's Durability - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Endured attacks from Kaori on this level. He is capable of absorbing 33% of an Archangel's power into his body without issue during World War III and only overloaded after taking 50% of her power)

Example Justification for people's Attack Potency who should be comparable or superior to Kaori by using Leivinia Birdway as a basis here - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C with Magic (Is the leader of one of the largest magic cabals in the world and the largest Golden-style cabal in Europe. Could clash against Kanzaki Kaori in an entirely off-screen battle. Was considered useful enough to Ollerus for her to be apart of his group during the Norse Gremlin and Magic God Othinus Arc)

Example Justification for people's Durability that should be comparable or superior to Kaori by using Leivinia Birdway as a basis here - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C with Magic (Should be comparable to her Attack Potency that is on this level)


[Regarding the The Joker Tier, The Low Tier, and The Middle Tier]​

Let's recap a few points for this proposal.

  • Essentially, this entire section requires on everybody scales to Pre-Headshot Accelerator w/o his powers, who should be physically comparable to his Post-Headshot self on account of Pre-Headshot not being a cripple with brain damage, thus Pre-headshot is, by the most technical of technicalities, his peak physical self barring his the durability boost that his wings grant him or his Post-Headshot's well-earned pain tolerance.

  • I should mention that the AP value that scales to Pre-Headshot and Post-Headshot Accelerator comes from taking punches from Touma, whose AP scales to his dura via the fact that he strikes with his bare fists and can harm himself.

  • Also, also, I should mention that Misaki downscales to him via the very few physical feats that she has which suggests she is at least comparable to the crippled #1, even then though, she'll only downscale.

  • Okay, continuing from Pre-Headshot Accelerator will be people like Uiharu, who we knows trains a bit and is slightly athletic due to being a part of Judgment, Seria, who is in the same boat as Uiharu but change Judgment for the Dark Side of Academy City and knowing some martial arts, Leivinia, who can harm Touma with physical strikes and endure a punch from Touma, Kuroko, due to being a martial artist that has fought alongside Touma and has harmed him via her dropkicks, and so forth and so forth until we reach the Three Heroes (Touma, Shiage, and Accelerator [NT10, and onward]) - who will then be accompanied by people who scale to them and then succeeded by people who scales above them - and the latter will be succeeded by Junko, due to her being able to keep up and harm a casual Gunha... there is also a small group that consist of Naruha and Huotou from the Accelerator manga, but we can ignore them.

Now for the things that make this upgrade possible...

No need for this section in this portion of the CRT.

Side Note

So, hear is a list of absurd things that Accelerator has survived being hit by. By Teitoku in OT15, which... said moments are Teitoku using sunlight as a deadly laser, Teitoku using his wings as a blunt weapon and striking him directly, Teitoku also did it twice, i.e, using his wings as a blunt weapon against him again, and the two of them can even exchange attacks with each other and blast themselves away from each other in a shockwave DBZ-style. By Misha/Gabriel in OT21, in where he got hit by a volley from her Sweep spell, had some of its damage reduced by his power, and could continue to fight onwards for an unspecified time but likely for a bit due to an internal comment from Accelerator that stated the battery for his choker was rapidly diminishing. In the early parts of NT, there wasn't much Accelerator did in terms of fighting, but he did have a rematch with Teitoku who learned the art of eternal cloning himself although much of it was offscreen but presumably it was on the same scale as his previous fight with the #2, also, he gets knocked the f-%$ out by Touma armed with a rock. By Nephthys in NT22, he flat-out takes a few "hits" from a Magic God like a champ, and that's that.

So, hear is a list of absurd things that Touma has survived being hit by... Yes, it is a lot and has already been noted... twice now, at the very least, so I'll just get the highlights. By Rensa in NT6, where she manipulates Beetle 05's Dark Matter Wings to hit him, and he gets back up quickly. By Othinus in NT10, in where she uses an explosion on him in where he tries to dodge it but still gets hit by it in mid-air, and he gets back up quickly. By Silvia in NT10, in where she beats Touma to near-death with her Saint strength and reduces him to a dark red mass, but could apparently get back up rather quickly to walk through a blizzard and fight Thor a short amount of time afterwards. By Accelerator himself in three different fights, and all of it is already listed and noted in the explanation and context section, so no need to repeat it again - plus, it is bothersome, tbh. Weirdly enough... Touma with his Dragon Shell, despite it only showed up once in one volume, has a few decent feats to it... namely, he could effortless tank Mikoto's Railgun with his Dragon Shell, he could make Kaori wince in pain from one of his attacks, keep up with her speed for a moment, and it was stated by the narration that his Dragon shell has briefly reached Kaori's level... Oh, Kamijou no Touma's Dragon Shell is probably equal if not superior to Touma's Dragon Shell, but Touma didn't give him a chance to show off his ability like any all until he just flat out killed him by shoving glass down his throat, from what I gathered.

Basically, Touma and Accelerator have been hit a crap-ton of times by various High Tier people and one Top/God Tier characters (and as usual, Touma scores one over Accelerator due to having "faced" more High Tier and Top/God Tier people than him) to the point that it is kinda consistent to have some scaling going on that revolves around them or possibly gives some evidence that proves these two are getting stronger over-time as the series progress - which, honestly, is a lot better than what other characters in the verse have to use in order to scale to others.

That, and once again, I would like to remind everyone that Touma could harm Black & White Winged Accelerator with his punches - which explicitly power him up and give him superhuman durability, which should be a constant thing, thus, Imagine Breaker might not even be able to negate Accelerator's enhanced durability - meaning, Touma could punch a 6-C (High Tier) with no issue and a High 6-C (High Tier) with some issue and had to get creative. His right wrist could also hold out longer than Lightning God Thor's (High Tier) wrists. He could also punch out a 5-B (Top Tier) with no issue... While he was very close to death and his body was horribly injured via it tearing itself apart through Touma's usage of magic as he fought.

Also, also... uh... there is some text during Touma and Accelerator's second fight that implies Accelerator's Blacks wings might've hit Touma's body - idk why I am bringing this up. I just figured I should to say my piece. Or something.

Therefore, with all of this in mind, I make the following proposal for the the joker tier characters, the low tier characters, and the middle tier characters.

For everyone that isn't Doppelganger, Sakuragi Naruha via Paper Golem, and Huotou (Hitokawa Hasami) - At Least 8-C (0.98 Tons), Possibly 8-B (12.88 Tons) [I.E, the compromise that Dragnoir agreed with in my last CRT]

For Fre/nda's Explosives - 8-B (18.54 Tons)

For Doppelganger, Sakuragi Naruha via Paper Golem, and Huotou (Hitokawa Hasami) - At Least 8-B (43.68 tons)

Note: I also have two higher 8-B calcs [8-B #1 - (20.59 tons) | 8-B #2 - (27.32 tons)] that can be used instead of the 8-B (12.88 tons) calc. There is also the 8-A [359.97 Tons] calc that can be used... er... remain untouched. Am awkwardly bringing this up here, cuz I can.

Edit: there was some discussion here that lead me to change this section.

For every joker, low, middle tier character that aren't Touma or Accelerator - At Least 8-A [359.97 Tons], possibly higher

For Touma and Accelerator only - At least 8-A, likely at most (High tier rating here), possibly far higher

For the Magic of Magic Users - Possibly 7-C (10.04 Kilotons) - This is here due to the calc linked needed to be talked about in a calc thread, but it was resolved, so it is here now to be applied to profiles.

Justification Examples

New Justification for Touma's Attack Potency - At least 8-A, likely at most (High tier rating here), possibly far higher (His perfect doppelganger in every single way could harm him with his physical attacks. Could knock out Accelerator, Hamzaura Shiage, possibly Anna Sprengel, and others with his punches. Has punched Stiyl Magnus so hard that he spun like a bamboo copter, has knocked out Aleister Crowely with a single punch, and could punch Agnese Sanctis so hard that her body bounced several meters away)

New Justification for Touma's Durability - At least 8-A, likely at most (High tier rating here), possibly far higher (Has withstand a number of brutal beatings from Saint-level threats like Kanzaki Kaori, Acqua of the Back, Carissa with Curtana Original, and Silvia. Has withstood being hit by Beetle 05's Dark Matter wing. Could withstand one of Othinus' explosions with minimal injuries. Has took a number of Accelerator's attacks and kept on fighting on numerous occasions, despite Accelerator being strong enough that he could easily incapacitate someone who has withstood (calc) this)

New Justification for Shiage's Attack Potency - At Least 8-A, possibly higher (Comparable to Kamijou Touma and has traded blows with him on two occasion , even winning against him in their second battle although there were several circumstances that were against Kamijou Touma)

New Justification for Shiage's Durability - At Least 8-A, possibly higher (Can withstand being tackled, headbutted, and punched in the face by Kamijou Touma and continue fighting)

New Justification for Accelerator's Attack Potency (Physically, for all keys) - At least 8-A, likely at most (High tier rating here), possibly far higher (Could pull Kihara Amata's hair hard enough to rip it out along with his skin and break his nose with a counter punch that had his entire strength behind it. Could beat Misaka Worst to a bloody pulp after suffering from an attack from her that had him mentally collapsing from despair)

New Justification for Accelerator's Durability (Physically, for all keys in regards to his physical stuff) - At least 8-A, likely at most (High tier rating here), possibly far higher (Has withstood being hit by a number of Kakine Teitoku's Dark Matter attacks. Withstood Misha Kreutzev's Sweep although his Vector Manipulation reduced some of the damage, and needed to be subjected to a few more volleys to be subdued. Took several direct hits from Nephthys without any mention of his Vector Manipulation reducing their effectiveness. Has took numerous punches from Kamijou Touma and developed a tolerance for them although he was still able to knock him out in their third fight through striking his chest with a rock)

New Justification for people's Attack Potency who should be comparable to Touma and Accelerator by using Leivinia (Physically) as a basis here - At Least 8-A, possibly higher physically (Could harm Kamijou Touma and give him a light concussion after striking him)

New Justification for for people's Attack Potency who should be comparable to Touma and Accelerator by using Leivinia (Physically) as a basis here - At Least 8-A, possibly higher physically (Comparable to her Attack Potency that is at this level)



[Fixing Profile Issues]​

Here's the run down.
Thor's Profile Issues
  • In his range section, it only lists down his arc blades and only them; thus, ignoring the fact that Thor often opts for hand-to-hand combat as shown by his fights with Touma, and the existence of Almighty Thor that essentially has planetary range due to how it works.
  • He quite literally doesn't have a Lifting Strength section in his profile; thus, he needs this fix - "Unknown physically, far higher with Megingjord" to account for Thor's lack of LS showcasing and the impossibility of calcing his own LS feat. - granted, I suppose that is the issue of being a novel only character... Okay, the To Aru Gacha game does exist, but it still doesn't help.
Marian's Profile Issues
  • Her keys, basically. She has three keys, to be exact. Her Third Key is when she was using a piece of equipment called Draupnir... Which she only used during NT10, which only had one direct mention or at least that is what I found with Ctrl-F, and its only usage was to make a sword. Easy fix since it isn't listed anywhere, so I think somebody just forgot to get rid of it. Her Second Key should just be combined with her first/base key as it is literally her with a sword that is on her person at all times (and can summon) and something she used extensively on her two notable fights (i.e, fights with Touma), barring her minor brief fight in NT4 like Maria and Shuri. Oh, also, affected by the upgrades, so her second key's High 8-C rating gotta go -('sides, it is vague and unsupported by anything)
Touma's Profile Issues
  • We should add Touma's Dragon Heads key and Touma's Invisible Thing key to his base for a few reasons - number one, they are things that pop out of Touma once his right hand gets cut off (or once he realizes it has been cut off, due to NT22), number two, Touma can "summon" the thins that are beyond his right hand without losing it as shown by NT13 and can "control" the things that are beyond his right hand as shown by GT7, number 3, as suggested by the fact that Touma could summon more "things beyond his right hand" according to a Twitter text from an important person to the anime/manga there is nothing to suggest that Touma's Invisible Thing isn't just another summon (weirdly enough, the Dragon that showed up in OT2 might be the same "Invisible Thing" that showed up in OT22, NT4, and NT8; just that Touma's blood revealed its form), and number four... it removes entirely needless keys that are common attributed to his base key in the first place - made Touma's Invisible Thing's Dura match its AP.
Shiage's Profile Issues
  • Why does Shiage have keys for one-off pieces of tech that he only used once, can't ever get or use again ('cept the Power Lifter) and doesn't really offer anything new (due to my upgrades, ngl) or the like. Plus, they don't even fit the standard of standard equipment, which refers to a set of items that a character can be expected to have on hand at any time, or optional equipment, which encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, so it is just weird to have them listed on Shiage's profile and makes his profile a mess, tbh - make an optional equipment section in Shiage's profile, remove the keys, but still link 'em to their profile in the wiki
Shizuri's Profile Issues
  • It is an issue that revolves around a profile's keys again. Basically, she has three keys. But it isn't noted anywhere in her ratings like her attack potency rating or the like. So gotta fix that. Oh, and only her second key should have a higher with body crystal rating attached to it since it is the only point of Shizuri that she actually has that item (heh) on hand.
Etzali's Profile Issues
  • He has two other keys. Two keys that literally only existence because he picks up a powerful magic item after defeating a Magician on two separate occasions and likely keeps on-hand afterwards, so other than that... There is no difference from him in second/third key to himself in his first key, so... remove it to fix it by combining everything to his base, or smth.
Aleister's Profile Issues
  • His Ratings and Tierings in Attack Potency are a bit weird, so I wanna fix it with this by making new keys altogether - Pre-NT18 - At Least 8-A, possibly higher Physically, much higher with Spiritual Tripping, At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C with Magic, 3-A with Big Bang Bomb, High 1-C with Blasting Rod | Post-NT18 - At Least 8-A, possibly higher Physically, At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C with Blood Sacrifice, At Least 4-A, possibly higher with Son of God Synchronization, higher with Spiritual Tripping, far higher with Magic, 3-A with Big Bang Bomb, High 1-C with Blasting Rod
Gabriel/Misha's Profile
  • From Noir: It was agreed in the last few CRTs that Gabriel from AF and WW3 are the same, while its 6B feat is literally done by "WW3" Gabriel, it should all be in the same key, which gives a nice 6B feat for everyone to scale to - so removing all of her keys and make Misha's profile a keyless profile.

Vote Counter

(1) Agree: @Doggo,

(-) Disagree: @DontTalkDT (with lots of this) [Mod],

(1) Neutral: @Aseka (Leaning Towards Agree),

The End

And that's that. Here's hoping that everything will go well, or something along those lines. Idk. This section is only here cuz I think it would be right to have something like this here. If that makes any sense. Oh, and after this CRT... I'mma go do with what Churronzon is doing and revise the crap out of profiles by fixing them up, adding missing abilities, and adding as much references as I can to make them look sleek and modern by current day Vs. Battle Wiki standards - and afterwards, once I had my fill, I am going to start revising the speed rating and make a "speed" chain for every single tier group.

So plenty of work ahead for me, heh. Here's hoping that you guys are willing to stick along for the ride or maybe I can bug one of you guys to do it yourselves since Zon and I have done the past few ToAru CRTs and somebody else should take up the burden as well, lel / s
 
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Agree...except for removing Hamzura other keys. There is a thing we called "Optional equipment" here.

Also you absolutely madlad for doing this lol
 
Doggo said:
Agree...except for removing Hamzura other keys. There is a thing we called "Optional equipment" here.

Also you absolutely madlad for doing this lol
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Yes, and Hamazura's other keys don't even fit the standard of optional equipment - which can encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, regardless of whether or not it's usually on their person - and I don't think Hamazura using them for (more or less) half of a volume only once (and never having the chance to get them again in-verse) fits the standard. Or at the very least, we can remove the keys, have an optional equipment section be added to his profile, and then we can link them to their Vs Pages.

And lol, I suppose this is the power of working on this CRT for goodness knows how long.
 
I am currently reading through this and well...

Are the first sections just explaining the scaling and what a UES is? Like, you didn't need to put that much detail in the scaling part.

Meh, back to reading.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Misha had her reasons; she didn't want to bother since she was already sending down a spell that would turn half of the planet into ash upon immediately showing herself (Angel Fall), she was under the control of Fiamma (WWIII), she had returned to being "purely" Gabriel and not Misha and sought to return to heaven by melting the ice at the North Pole to replenish her physical body - uncaring of the fact this would screw up the world greatly as Gabriel's actions would cause an absurd phreatic explosion covering an area with a radius of 1000 kilometers and has the threat of making a major error in the Earth's orbital trajectory that would cause it to leave the solar system (Finale of Index), and only had a brief cameo-slash-mention before Aleister used a spell to destroy her-slash-banish her back to heaven (Aleister vs. Mathers fight).
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Was this entire section actually needed? Like, this is way more info than what was needed, it just makes the CRT bigger for no reason.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:

Purpose

Hey, hey, fanta here! ... Y'know the purpose of this CRT, so... Let's just get to the point. This CRT's Purpose is to upgrade the Top Tiers/HighTiers/Anybody who isn't High 1-C Being via the number of calculations I've created and the number of calculations I've found in Reference of Common Feats and two feats I found in Jasonsmith's page of references of common feats. Let's start, shall we?

... Oh, and I am not removing the super part of the title /s. JK. If it is too bothersome, I'll remove it. Oh, and through the power of an online word counter, this CRT is around 19k words or something... It isn't important, but man... I really worked on this CRT for goodness knows how long. I really hope that my next CRT(s) aren't going to be as long as this.

TLDR

  • UES System for To Aru (*) (Only for certain characters; nobody from any tier lower than the high tier (barring Aleister and Othinus) will be affected by this)
  • Upgrade the Top Tiers to At Most 4-A (Fiamma's Base and Ollerus) | At Least 4-A (Fiamma LPSaD, Invisible Thing, Othinus) | At Least 4-A, Possibly Higher (Aiwass, Aleister (SoG), Coronzon, Anna) | At Least 4-A, likely higher, higher with Black Wings, much higher with White Wings, far higher with Platinum Wings | At Least 4-A, likely 3-A. possibly far higher (Nerfed Magic Gods) (*) (Read the sections regarding this for more in-depth details)
  • Upgrade the High Tiers to At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C | Add Every Level 5 (besides Misaki) to the High Tier Group and make their AP & Dura (excluding Mikoto for the dura bit) with their Esper Abilities to At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C | Give Thor & Leivinia At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C via Magic in their Durability Section
  • Downgrade/Upgrade the Joker Tiers (Barring Othinus - well, maybe her Dying From Fairy Spell key could be affected by this?), Low Tiers, and Middle Tiers to At Least 8-C, Possibly 8-B
  • Profile Fixes - Give Thor Standard Melee Range (via his fists), 20m to 2km (via his Arc Blades), and Planetary Range (via Almighty Thor) in his range section, and give him Unknown physically, far higher with Megingjord Lifting Strength (Note: his profile doesn't have any mention of Lifting Strength in it, and there isn't any source on the internet for Thor's only actual LS feat, i.e, lifting a broken highway overpass, thus, this is the only way to fix this issue); Remove Touma's second and third keys and combine them to his base (as they both stem from his right hand and manifest when it is removed from his body); Rework Marian's profile by combining her first two keys together; remove every single one of Hamazura's key besides his base key (as they only pertain to one-off pieces of equipment Hamazura used once and never again as they are stuff that he doesn't own (and just found on the battlefield) and can't reacquire again; fix Mugino's ratings with her three other tiers; remove Etzali's other keys; Fix Aleister's Tier-plus-Ratings - At Least 8-C, Possibly 8-B Physically, higher with Spiritual Tripping, At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C with Magic, 3-A with Big Bang Bomb, High 1-C with Blasting Rod (High 1-C Rating is already accepted, and is irrelevant)

Calculations - Total Number is 17 AP Calculations Calculations

AP
  1. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Shaking_the_entire_Universe | (???) [4-A / Multi Solar System level] {Idk the right magnitude for this. Oh, and uh... While there is Accelerator's shaking the universe feat done by DT, I did some looking at the comments and found out that DMUA did a universe shaking calc (for common feats), and theirs and DT's universe shaking calcs were both considered for references for common feats - and DMUA's won out, so... Upgrade for Accelerator?}
  2. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/R...ng_a_pocket_dimension_containing_a_starry_sky | (1.688e63 Joules, or 16.88 ExaFoe (?)) [4-A / Multi-Solar System level] {Asked in the calc discus thread, and was told to use the creating a pocket dimension containing a starry sky for Misha's feat of moving every star in the sky and her creation of stars feat - could also use this for Othinus' raining down stars feat as well, and for another Magic God doing the exact same feat in the World Rejector world.}
  3. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Illuminating_the_entire_Universe | (2.75 KiloFoe) [4-B] {Aiwass' illuminating an entire universe feat during NT18}
  4. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...N_Feat_Calculation_Part_10#Calculation_Feat_2 | (28.465 Foe) [4-B] {In case, it isn't accepted to use the starry sky feat from references for common feats for Gabriel's feat}
  5. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...N_Feat_Calculation_Part_10#Calculation_Feat_2 | (21.34875 Foe) [High 4-C] {In case, it isn't accepted to use the starry sky feat from references for common feats for the Magic God(s) feat(s)}
  6. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_5 | (406.03 Ninatons of TNT) [High 5-A / Dwarf Star level] {Misha's Moon feat during Angel Fall}
  7. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...the_Earth_from_the_Solar_System_with_One_Push | (1.26 Yottaton of TNT) [5-B / Planet level] {Misha's feat during the last part of the WW3 Arc, right before Touma punched her out of existence}
  8. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U.../Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Calculation | (3.37 Zettaton of TNT) [Low 5-B / Small Planet level] {Full power of Misha's Sweep during Angel Fall}
  9. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#The_Earth's_Rotational_Energy | (61.66 Exatons) [5-C] {Misha's feat of being able to stop the Earth's Rotation}
  10. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U.../Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Calculation | (33.70 Exaton of TNT) [5-C / Moon level] {Power of Misha's Incomplete Sweep during WWIII}
  11. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jasonsith/A_page_for_reference_of_common_feats_by_Jasonsith#Vaporising_the_Earth's_Ocean | (829 Petatons) [High 6-A / Multi-Continent level] {For Fiamma being able to dry up all the water in the oceans}
  12. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/R...so=search#Destroying_the_Surface_of_the_Earth | (646.57085 Petatons) [High 6-A / Multi-Continent level] {For Fiamma doing an attack that would've made an explosion that would encompasses the Earth's surface but was stopped by Accelerator | {Also, a feat that happened in the World Rejector World via a Magic God doing it to another Magic God}
  13. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...N_Feat_Calculation_Part_10#Calculation_Feat_1 | (24.95 Petatons) [High 6-A] {Aleister's spell during her last fight with Mathers}
  14. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U.../Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Calculation | (1.68 Teraton of TNT) [Low 6-B] {Power of Individual Sweep Arrow in Angel Fall and WWIII}
  15. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_3 | (517.24 Gigatons of TNT) [High 6-C / Large Island level] {Brunhild's feat in making an eruption during Kanzaki SS}
  16. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FantaRin_The_First/Index_LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_4 | (1.03292764e12 tons) [Class P] / (21.97 Gigatons of TNT) [6-C / Island level] {Index/Fiamma's Lifting of the Star of Bethlehem}
  17. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._LN_Feat_Calculation_Part_2#Extra_Calculation | (10.04 Gigatons of TNT / 5.02 Gigatons of TNT) [Island level / Island level] {The 10 GT is due to Misha suddenly self-destructing, and 5.02 Gigaton of TNT is due to Accelerator and Hyouka stopping the explosion by working together}

Explanation + Context

The only "true" 5-B is Fiamma of the Right in his second key, which comes from Planet Busting statements, i.e, he is baseline 5-B in this key (or equal to Earth's GBE due to the Planet Busting Statement, idk for sure tho) and nothing more or less. There is also one of Touma's Dragons that is 5-B but only in Durability and Othinus' crossbow that is 5-B in its Attack Potency, but they are at the same level of baseline 5-B as Fiamma, so disregard them, now... Let me outline the scaling chain.

Explanation

(Character B) <<< (Character A) - Chara A stomps Chara B

(Character B) < (Character A) - Chara A is stronger than Chara B, same as downscaling but to a much higher degree

[] ~ (Character A) ~ [ (Character B) ] - Chara B downscales to Chara A, i.e, weaker than Chara A but is still somewhat comparable and can fight them even if Chara A has the upper hand in most of their fight or at least something along those lines; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is weaker than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

{} ~ (Character A) ~ { (Character B) } - Chara A and Chara B are around the same ballpark, i.e, but aren't totally equal with each other with their being some leeway of whose is the stronger of the two; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is comparable than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

Character A = Character B - Chara A and Chara B are truly equal to each other

Fiamma LPSAD <<< Touma's Invisible Thing (WWIII) ~ [ Touma's Invisible Thing (Baggage City} ] ~ [Possibly Touma's Dragons] <<< Othinus ~ [Ollerus] ~ [Fiamma Post-WWIII] ~ [Possibly Touma's Invisible Thing (Windowless Building) ] < Aiwass < Coronzon ~ {Aleister (Son of God)} = {Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers (Original Grimoire)} ~ {Anna Sprengel} ~ { Accelerator (w/Qliphah - Pre-Nephthys Fight) } < [Nerfed] True Magic Gods ~ [Accelerator (w/Qliphah - Post-Nephthys Fight) ] ~ [Possibly Anna Kingsford] ~ [Possibly Alice Anotherbible] ~ [Aleister (w/ prep time, the A.A.A, and Aiwass)]

Explanation of Scaling Chain Characters
  • Fiamma - Is the one who starts the chain via Planet-Busting Statements that are attributed to his second key. Fiamma in his first key (or at the very least, a state that is comparable to his first key), on the other hand, was capable of fighting alongside Ollerus and the teamwork between them was enough to force a draw with Othinus, and in the last fight before Othinus' overcame her 50/50 weakness, Fiamma could pierce her body with a stake and Fiamma's Holy Right could protect him from her attacks to some degree.

  • Touma - Has an Invisible Thing (IT for short) that only appears if his right arm has been severed from his body and it made a major appearance after Fiamma, well, did the arm-cutting thing and then it appeared to no-sell his attack with no effort whatsoever and and made him feel fear towards Touma's IT, feel inferior power-wise to Touma's IT, and out shadowed by Touma's IT to the point that he felt a single twitch of a finger or blink of an eye could have a major effect on the outcome of the battle. It, apparently, was weaker when Othinus forced it out, but stronger when Aiwass forced it out of him.

  • Othinus - Her first true on-screen appearance had her destroy Touma's right arm and force Touma's IT out, she then casually crushed it with ease and called it disappointing after she caught wind of Touma's IT appearance during the final parts of Touma's fight with Fiamma. Has an attack that is stated could destroy a planet or two, which is the crossbow that I mentioned at the start of this section regarding 5-Bs.

  • Ollerus - Can fight Othinus on (somewhat) equal grounds on two separate occasions on-screen (and possibly other occasions prior to canon) and is powerful enough to be considered a roadblock to Othinus' plans, but loses to her in overall power due to him being the person who failed to become Magic God and Ollerus had to resort to depowering her in order to have a clear chance of winning in their final battle, which backfired horribly and made her a true High 1-C being without any downsides. He was also confident enough to go inside Academy City beat up several clones and the strongest Gemstone Esper to send a message to Aleister if he continues what he was doing with other Gemstone Espers.

  • Aleister (Son of God) - In his first key, he defeated Fiamma, however, he has a powerset that counters Fiamma's power (Fiamma's Power was to use the exact amount of power to defeat his opponent, Aleister's power is to make his attacks 10x/100x/1000x/etc what his opponent's expect without limit), although, Fiamma, despite not knowing Aleister's abilities, did still consider his battle with Aleister one that he couldn't win. In his third key, he can fight Coronzon and defend against her attacks. Killed two Nerfed Magic Gods with her magical energy and likely a lot of prep time, however without prep, he could only survive an encounter-slash-quick fight with a Nerfed Magic God (Niang-Niang) who was messing around and losing to him on purpose.

  • Lola or Coronzon - Can fight Aleister (Son of God). Could defeat Aiwass after a prolonged battle in where she was weaker than usual and Aiwass was stronger than usual. Was able to withstand being treated as a chew-toy by every remaining True Magic God when she ended up in the dimension that they were thrown/BFR'ed in by Kamisato without much injuries (or she healed her injuries as she made her escape from that dimension). Could defend herself from assaults from a single Magic God and could fight them, however, it appears this is a great struggle and she was likely on the backfoot in that fight.

  • Accelerator (Post-Qliphah) - In his base key, he fought a Nerfed Magic God named Nephthys for sometime was able to harm her (with even her regeneration not getting in the way as the fight progressed) and was even acknowledged as an opponent that she was looking for. And at the end of their encounter, was able to force a draw between them by rendering each other "unable" to keep fighting although Accelerator was the one that was nearing death and Nepthys wasn't too bothered by everything that had transpired.

  • Aiwass - Could casually crush a much stronger verison of Touma's IT, and was an integral part of Aleister's plan of fighting Magic Gods - was a very important part of Aleister's feat of killing two True Magic God. Fought a weakened Coronzon for a period of time and called her attacks disappointing, but was nonetheless defeated by this weakened Coronzon while he was also in an environment that was advantageous towards him and explicitly powering him up. There is a statement from Othinus in where she considered Aiwass as a being who can oppose Magic Gods but as Othinus has never seen the Nerfed Magic Gods in actual action (Nephthys was in an extremely weakened state due to WR and she likely only has second-hand knowledge from Touma's encounter with High Priest), that statement from her was using herself (and likely Ollerus as well) as a basis. - At the very least, this means Aiwass is comparable to 50/50 Othinus and above Ollerus and Fiamma.

  • True Germlin / Magic Gods (Nerfed) - Aleister's feat of killing two Magic Gods was only successful due to planning sneak attacking and circumstances that Aleister won't be able to replicate without a massive amount of prep-time and she/he had no hope in winning in a direct fight without them. It was considered remarkable by the narrative for Lola/Coronzon to have survived against them. Also, Fiamma's fairy spell which pierced Othinus was brushed aside with no effect on the Magic God High Priest whatsoever - while there is a statement in where they considered Aiwass and Othinus as failures, that was only stated when the Magic Gods were at Full Power (during NT10-12) and weren't as infinitely nerfed x2 as they are now (NT13-onward until current times), nonetheless, they are the top dogs among top dogs of the 5-B chain, without any doubt. Probably.

  • [GT]

  • Anna Sprengel - Could casually injure Aiwass with her bare hands and considered Platinum-Winged Accelerator's feat of creating a new tree (law manip), which caused the side effect of shaking the universe as a byproduct of said feat, as trivial. Sprengel has also stated, that at her full power, she could casually kill Aiwass. A person that had been draining her powers for over a century and had control over her body boasted she could fight and kill two of the Nerfed Magic Gods and the other groups in NT22, and only spared them due to her plans. Which probably is somewhat true and applies to Anna considering everything else said about her in this section, or smth. Important thing to say that while her first appearance was in last parts of New Testament 22 and she only had a minor role in New Testament Reverse 22 (the last novel for the NT series), her overall important 'combat' feats started at Genesis Testament Volume 2, this series is also still on-going and Sprengel only had one actual fight with Touma, a lot of scenes in where she is threatening people with her power, one 'fight' where she is stomping a duo (Mikoto and Misaki) weaker than her in every possible way, and one (or two?) fights against characters that casually stomp her into the ground.

  • Anna Kingsford - Could casually stomp Sprengel. Note, she has only made an appearance in Genesis Testament Volume 6 and the current volume is 7 (with volume 8 likely coming soon-ish in a few months), so it is hard to put her in the scaling chain. Also, doesn't have a profile nor does she have enough abilities and showing to actually have one.

  • Alice Anotherbible - ... Said to be superior to exceptional among the Transcendents in the Bridge Builders Cabal, of which they have statements in where each and every Transcendents is powerful enough to rival the entire "normal" magic side on their own and of which Anna Sprengel is a part of this group, and has a few in-verse statements that put her around the same ballpark as Anna S... And apparently they had the implied ability of being able to kill Full Power Othinus, thus, 50/50% Othinus but didn't do jack since they would be stick in a pitch black void of nothing if they did, which was said by Kamachi, the writer, himself. Anyhow, Alice's main ability is dura-ignoring reality bending stuff that goes above what a lot of the character can handle and resist so it is hard to actually scale her as her main stick relies on stuff that pure stats can't really manage by itself. She is rated unknown as of now, so she doesn't matter on this CRT, anyhow. Just figured I should mention her here.


Basically, this section is going to be stuff that is important for the 6-Cs, but I have no better place to put 'em, so... yeah.

... Also, here. Scaling Chain, from what I got in my first CRT and other To Aru matches.

Explanation

(Character B) <<< (Character A) - Chara A stomps Chara B

(Character B) < (Character A) - Chara A is stronger than Chara B, same as downscaling but to a much higher degree

[] ~ (Character A) ~ [ (Character B) ] - Chara B downscales to Chara A, i.e, weaker than Chara A but is still somewhat comparable and can fight them even if Chara A has the upper hand in most of their fight or at least something along those lines; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is weaker than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

{} ~ (Character A) ~ { (Character B) } - Chara A and Chara B are around the same ballpark, i.e, but aren't totally equal with each other with their being some leeway of whose is the stronger of the two; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is comparable than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

Character A = Character B - Chara A and Chara B are truly equal to each other

[Note: In this scaling chain, it is actually possible for lesser members of the scaling chain to face off against higher members of the chain - Kaori vs. Carissa and Kaori vs. Acqua are prime examples of this - although, it will be a difficult fight for the lesser member, nonetheless. The only outliner is Kaori's quick battle with Knight Leader (w/ Curtana's Blessing), but that can be chalked up to being a bad encounter that caught Kaori by off guard and Knight Leader also has a convenient move that can explain away his no-selling - I.E, P.I.S that only happened once and should be ignored as it messed up with the entire chain.]

Misha's Wings < Carissa (w/ Curtana Shards) = {Maiden of Versailles (w/ Durendal)} ~ {Possibly Post WWIII Acqua} < Knight Leader (w/o Curtana's Blessing) < Kaori (Base) ~ {Levinina Birdway} ~ {Brunhild Eiktobel} ~ {Index [John Pen]} ~ {Mjolnir} ~ {Hel} ~ {Thor (w/o Mjolnir Support} ~ {Golden Dawn} < Knight Leader (w/ Curtana's Blessing) = [Acqua (w/ Ascalon] < {Knight Leader {w/ Pattern Magic + Hrunting Boost} < Carissa (w/ Curtana Original) ~ [Elizard (w/ Curtana Second)] ~ [Silvia] ~ [Possibly Thor (w/ Mjolnir Support] = Misha Kreutzev - {Kaori (w/ Breaker of God and Yuisen)} ~ {Kazakiri Hyouka} ~ {Pre-Qliphah Accelerator / Black Angel Wings Accelerator} < Acqua of the Back (Pre-Saint Destroyer)

Misha's Wings < Carissa w/ Curtana Shards < Kanzaki Kaori (Base) < Knight Leader w/ Curtana Blessing = Acqua w/ Ascalon < Carissa w/ Curtana Original = Misha ~ {Kanzaki Kaori (Yuisen & Breaker of God)} < Acqua w/ DMM & Sainthood

Important facts to consider in this scaling chain.

Yeah. Them. The group of people who I spent my last CRT upgrading to At least 8-B, likely 8-A. And, uh... I plan to touch 'em here too, so to speak. But that is for the proposal section.

So, for how this scaling chain will work... Basically, I brain-stormed until... I thought a little more deeply about Touma and Accelerator's fights, the many people that had hit them and make them take damage, and the fact that in a verse like OPM a small chunk of their characters scale to an an untrained and unexceptional 12 year old Saitama, who survived an attack that left a large crater on a wall.

But first... Let's set the chain.

Explanation

(Character B) <<< (Character A) - Chara A stomps Chara B

(Character B) < (Character A) - Chara A is stronger than Chara B, same as downscaling but to a much higher degree

[] ~ (Character A) ~ [ (Character B) ] - Chara B downscales to Chara A, i.e, weaker than Chara A but is still somewhat comparable and can fight them even if Chara A has the upper hand in most of their fight or at least something along those lines; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is weaker than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

{} ~ (Character A) ~ { (Character B) } - Chara A and Chara B are around the same ballpark, i.e, but aren't totally equal with each other with their being some leeway of whose is the stronger of the two; subsequent members like say, Chara C, is comparable to Chara B but to an unknown degree that is highly depended on context given; although, it is best to assume that Chara C is comparable than Chara B to an unknown degree by default

Character A = Character B - Chara A and Chara B are truly equal to each other

Accelerator (Pre-Headshot | No Powers) ~ [Misaki Shokuhou] <<< (Weakened) Touma Kamijou ~ [Leivinia Birdway] ~ {Stiyl Magnus} ~ {Uiharu Kazari} < Accelerator (Post-Headshot | OT13, and onwards | No Powers) < Mikoto Misaka < {Shirai Kuroko} = Touma Kamijou = Shiage Hamazura = Accelerator (Post-Headshot | OT20, and onwards until current | No Powers)

Oh, and for a scaling chain for Astral Buddy characters, and, well other science side characters that have not actually done anything of note in the mainline series, it follows the same as above chain until it reaches Kuroko and starts onward from there.

Astral Buddy - Shirai Kuroko ~ { (Injured) Arei Houjou (w/ Hard Taping)} ~ {Arei Houjou (w/o Hard Taping)} < (Non-Full Power) Junko Hokaze < (Peak) Arei Houjou (w/ Hard Taping) <<< (Full Power) Junko Hokaze < (Casual) Gunha Sogiita ~ [(Astral Buddy Support) Junko Hokaze]

Accelerator + Railgun Manga - Superior to Accelerator < Aiho <<< (Casual) Naruha (w/ Paper Golem) ~ [Doppelganer [Human-Sized] < (Serious) Naruha (w/ Paper Golem) = Huotou <<< Huotou (w/ support by Esther's Magic) < Narauha's Paper Excavator

Yes, there is a good number of people absent in the mainline scaling; which is 100% due to me desiring to keep it simple and not too messy, so I decided to end it with the three heroes. That is all. Plus, their placements are obvious since a good lot of them are either comparable to the three heroes like Etzali, Hanzou and Motoharu or superior to them like Yuiitsu, Shizuri, and Ritoku - and yes, the latter is succeeded by people like Saiai, who have explicit abilities that can increase their physical stats, and at the top of the chain is Junko at Full Power and those who scale to her Full Power.

This is also to ignore people like Musujime, who only fought Kuroko, Iruka, who only fought a Junko that wasn't going all out against her, or Seria, who only had a brief clash with Motoharu and lost an eye. At the very least, they are placed above Accelerator (Pre-Headshot | No Powers) and Misaki physically, for obvious reasons.

Important facts to consider in this scaling chain.

[Stuff that needs to be talked about the Level 5s and had some context be given to 'em, and there isn't a better place to talk about it]

Ye... Wasn't really planning to do anything involving the L5s, 'sides Accelerator, but I noticed a couple of things from reading TAMI NT again (for the smth time) and inspected a line mentioned in passing in the Railgun manga that stated Mikoto, or the her prior to the events of Index, was the weakest level 5 which was the thing that got the gears in my brain turning, and... Well, this section is the result of it. And then, I thought I could also use this section to talk about some other points mentioned in my second CRT regarding the level 5s, and here we are.

... Oh, and uh... here's a scaling chain... Not. Can't think of one other than, well... this.

[Misaki ~ Aihana Etsu <<< Mikoto (w/ AAA or w/o AAA) ~ Shizuri < Shizuri (Full Power) < L6S Mikoto ~ Gunha < Accelerator ~ Teitoku (Original / Dark Matter Revival / Beetle 05) ~ Rensa]

  • Accelerator (every single one of his keys 'sides his last key) - To explain Accelerator's situation for those not in the know, the albino's first key, in all technicality, is the strongest key among the keys that are included here as the second and third keys are versions of himself that suffered a headshot and lost over 50% of his ability (and he only has the remaining half due to using the brainpower of 9970+ clones). AP / Dura wise, Accelerator's first two keys are At least 7-B, possibly 7-A (with a transformation that is 6-C in his second key), however, Accelerator's base in his third key is listed as 6-C due to fighting a 6-C being... Despite the fact that there is absolutely no difference between Accelerator's first two keys and his third key power-wise in-story 'sides the minor detail of Accelerator getting his shit rocked by Aiwass without any effort that put him in the road to understand how to reflect magic... which had no direct mention of powering Accelerator up, other than in an intellectual manner by showing him the existence of the magic side of the world and their imaginary numbers. There also was no possible way for Accelerator to get stronger since before fighting that 6-C being, as he was traveling with a sick and ill girl that was slowly 'dying' and only fought grunts before he picked a fight with Touma - and lost, and then falling unconscious before waking up and having interactions and character development before fighting Misha.
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    • As for why Accelerator's last key is excluded, it is cuz that key pertains to an Accelerator that give an explicit power-up and allowed him to fight beings that were vastly above him beforehand and then obtaining a brand new transformation that makes him even more powerful than before. He also gains a few new abilities, a couple of new stuff in his standard equipment, an entirely different mindset, and a demon summon-slash-partner to support him and provide him with information via the fact that it encompasses Accelerator's current canon power level and status. Enough said.
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  • Kakine Teitoku/Beetle 05 - His first key scales to Accelerator's second key via an ability of his called Dark Matter that he can use offensively and defensively; which has showed feats of withstanding blows [1 + 1.5] from Accelerator's attacks [2] and matching Accelerator's attacks done through his Dark Matter ability [3], Teitoku could also bypass Accelerator's reflection with his Dark Matter and attack him directly for some time until Accelerator patched that hole in his defense up while also saving literal every civilian bystander in their fight at the same time as a big flex, which signaled the end of their fight. Teitoku's Second Key, where he turned into a pile of organs by a pissed off Accelerator and returned by binding his conscious into elementary particles that is his Dark Matter to create a brand new body for him that was made entirely from Dark Matter, scales to Accelerator's third key via a possibly rating through fighting Accelerator again w/Shizuri appearing and helping the #1 out, and then Beetle 05 fighting a cyborg Rensa, whose whole stick is having the exact copies of every Level 5 abilities (besides Gunha's due to its unexplainable nature) and other Esper abilities in a certain radius, alongside Touma and with Rensa deciding that Kakine was the greater threat and that he should be taken out first... Oh, to explain Beetle 05... Well, uh... Being reduced to literal organs in a fridge and turning himself into a literal hive-mind had screwed up Kakine's mind and split himself into several aspects - Beetle 05 is an aspect of Teitoku's that desired to protect which overtook the control the aspect of Teitoku that desired to kill and had that thought it was the main Teitoku, and became the main and current Kakine Teitoku.
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  • Misaka Mikoto - She picked a fight with a Saint named Brunhild. While she was on the backfoot and we didn't see too much of their fight, we do know that Mikoto did inflict some damage on Brunhild with her biri-biri powers, could hold off Brunhild's physical strikes by pushing them back with the stuff that she electromagnetically controlled and was able to make Brunhild consider her a opponent worthy of being spoken to, and apparently Mikoto thought that the railgun was effective against her (and judging by Mikoto's shock and and genuine losing of confidence after High Priest deflected her railgun with ease, Brunhild might've thought it was safer to dodge it rather than block it with her magic or physical strength), and was able to hold off Brunhild for some time to the point that she (and Thor) could help Touma for a bit until his fight with Leivinia was finished. I would like to also to point out that she was bought to help by Thor, who should've a general idea of the baseline of strength that Saints have and still thought she would be of help; plus, logically, if she was vastly below Brunhild and just an annoying "fly" to her, the saint should've had no trouble in escaping her grasp and joining Silva in defeating Thor together and just finish off Mikoto once that was done with - but Silvia herself thought of Mikoto as an opponent and thought the correction course of action, after she thought she had defeated Thor, was to help Brunhild out in defeating Mikoto, heck, she even considered their battle an actual battle and not her just being a pest and hinderance to Brunhild.
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    • Mikoto's Anti-Art-Attachment / w/Shokuhou Misaki's support - I want to explain something here. In the later parts of NT, Mikoto had begun to undergo a dark character arc in where she was obsessing over a way to get stronger and have more power after getting casually brushed aside and treated as a burden to Touma in one fight which showcased to her that she was weak and then later getting into another fight with an opponent that countered her abilities perfectly that showed her that her own abilities weren't enough - and when Mikoto found the AAA and used it for the first time, she was convinced that it was the way to go and kept repeatedly using it up until the time it was destroyed in GT2, so.... It shouldn't be weaker than her base abilities as it narratively wouldn't make sense for her to use something that is weaker than her. That, and it was also able to fight with Index's John Pen Mode for some time.
      • And yes, Misaki is being mentioned here since she has consistently teamed up with Mikoto since a lot of the moments in where Misaki was in fights scenes in NT she was alongside Mikoto w/the AAA and she is needed partner for Mikoto's AAA to use its strongest attack, so... it should be okay for the AAA's Liquid-Proof Railgun to be mentioned directly in the AP section of Mikoto's second key as it is already mentioned in the weakness section anyways. Additionally, it should be mentioned that Mikoto is the one of the major components responsible for the strength of her Liquid-Proof Railgun - Misaki's own purpose being there was to make sure that the bottleneck of the destructive force Mikoto's railgun was gone and that frictional heat doesn't burn away her projectile via a unique coating, which accelerates it more and grants "limitless" speed - everything else was done with Mikoto's own strength from my own understanding, which was enough to destroy something that could tank Accelerator's High 6-A using the rotation of the earth to attack it with no sign of damage whatsoever.
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  • Mugino Shizuri - Basically, Shizuri's Third Key could flat-out [1] destroy Teitoku's Dark Matter [2] constructions and body with [3] her Meltdowner [4], with the only issue that Teitoku could regen his dark matter faster than she could destroy. Yeah, that is about it. However, we do know that NT!Shizuri is vastly more powerful and skilled than OT!Shizuri due to her experiences with Hamazura and off-screen training. We do know that Mugino got beaten pretty easily by Teitoku's in OT, twice, so there is that too, to imply a power-up. Oh, while Shizuri's Meltdowner can output more "offensive power" than Mikoto can to the point that she can insta-kill her, Shizuri can't use actually use this output lest she wants to cause her own self-destruction... again, with the prior self-destruction being the reason that she lost an eye, an arm, and suffered extreme amount of damage to her internal organs with the only reason she survived being immense willpower-slash-spite and the bullshit that Academy City has.
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  • Sogiita Gunha - Yeah, he is just flat-out superior to Mikoto. Like he fought a version of her that was berserk, bloodlust-ed, and dozens of times more powerful than her base for a good chuck of time w/Touma's help while also dealing with the fact that she has a canonical accelerated development ability that made grow stronger as time passed that allowed her to transform into a new states of being (I.E, a Garou situation... not as bad as Garou, tho) and #7 Ranked Level 5 could still keep up with her and her transformations up until the end of their battle... There is also the fact that Mikoto in her base had faced off with him in a fight that was interrupted, but while Mikoto was talking to a friend of hers she stated that she was convinced she would've lost their fight if it had progressed for any longer and that she needed to train to get stronger (although, Gunha thought the same about Mikoto and that he needed to train to get stronger as well). Oh, he also met Ollerus, took two hit from him with the intent of defeating him with overwhelming power behind them, and then got up from that and then engaged in a prolonged but offscreen battle with an Ollerus, who was likely holding back his full power, and lost and was spared by the man who should've become a Magic God but failed.
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  • Rensa - Yeah, nothing to say here. Just a cyborg that can use every ability of every level 5 that isn't Gunha with as much strength as the original owner of said powers.

Proposals

[Universal Energy System for Specific Characters]​

For those not in the know of what a Universal Energy System is, well... It is this;
  • Universal Energy System: Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they had other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.
For a quick in-verse example; Gunha and Junko are prime examples for a Universal Energy System as their Esper Powers apply to their physical statistics (Rampage Dress and Gunha's Gutsy-ness) and their supernatural powers (Rampage Dress' electricity and... Gunha's Gutsy-ness). Accelerator with his various Wings, and Post Revival Kakine / Beetle 05 Kakine are another prime examples of candidates that qualify for a Universal Energy System.

This section isn't referring to the Science Side of To Aru, though, as those four are clear outliers with every other Esper not fitting the bill.

This section is entirely meant for the Magic Side of To Aru; specifically, High Tier, Top Tier, and God Tier Magic Side characters... Oh, and Accelerator will serve as example too, since he is built differently.

First off, there is Curtana. Yes, the Original, the Second, and the Fragments from the Second. Essentially like Fiamma with his Holy Right, the line-up of Curtana(s) draws power from the Archangel Michael from Christianity and grants the sword wielders the powers of Archangel Michael as long as they stay within the borders of England. Additionally, there exists a counterpart of Curtana, that is named Durendal, which uses spells unique to France to channel the destructive power of France itself into its blade. The importance of Curtana stems from the fact that along with the blessing to give the wielder of the sword free control over the Archangel Michael's power, it can empower the user and their knights, increasing their physical stats, all thanks to an energy named Telesma. Letting one man, known only by the title of Knight Leader, who is stated to be around the level of a notable figure of the verse named Kaori Kanzaki, who is a Saint without the empowerment, out-right stomp this figure in an extremely short time frame.

Now, let's talk about Leivinia Birdway, for a moment. She is a relatively powerful magician in the verse; she is also a twelve year girl with the "normal" body of one, she wasn't blessed with an absurd body that granted superhuman capabilities like Kaori or the body that became a possessor of an equivalent level of power of Saint through hard work and determination like Knight Leader - however, there is a moment in a side story that was released in parts around 2009-2010 that show-cased a moment in where Leivinia could equally clash with Kaori for an offscreen fight despite this fact, but then in 2013, it was revealed after a lost of hers that had a person explicitly state that Leivinia possessed the ability to increase her physical capability via magic but didn't want to use it - 100% because the person that she lost to was her "older brother" that she didn't want to hurt too badly but just enough so that he could be sidelined away from the danger, pointing this out in-case anybody wanted to know.

Side-note, the To Aru Verse also has a Thor and Mjolnir. Granted, To Aru's Thor looks like a bishonen that also happens to be a battle manic and Mjolnir is just a girl who woke up one day and decided that being subjected to human transmutation to because a cylindrical piece of stone was a sane and reasonable idea to do. What is important about this "duo" is the fact that Thor can borrow Mjolnir's power by making a link with her, which gives him a drastic change of appearance and gives him a source of power to draw into, which increases his "strength" but not his speed. The energy that Thor draws from Mjolnir appears to be contained inside of his body, but if this increase his durability unknown as he didn't showcase any scenes in where he was directly hit when he was using Mjolnir, other than a person using an exploit in Thor's ability which broke his wrists.

Accelerator, just like Leivinia, has something that can increase his physical abilities in the form of Black Wings and White Wings (and Platinum Wings). These wings of Accelerator seemingly increases the #1's durability and apparently physical strength as well, with the energy stemming from those wings flowing throughout the boy's entire body being responsible for this increase in albino's physical ability that doesn't show up when he isn't using them. Oh, and before one asks, essentially, he is like Thor with Mjolnir (this verse's versions of them) as well, but we do know for a fact that Accelerator's Wings increases his attack potency and durability courtesy of Aceelerator's two most notable feats with his Wings.

And thus, we now talk about Saints. Basically, in the To Aru Verse, Saints are just a bunch of superhuman mutants who have skeletons and organ placement identical to a certain Son of God, which grants them more strength than a human would have which works via one of the verse's magic system, Idol Theory, where a replica of a more powerful being or item can also gain a tiny portion of the original's strength, and since humans are said to be made in the image of God and Saints replicates the skeletons and organ placement of you know who... You get the idea. Kaori is one such superhuman, who is passively being empowered by the verse's magic system by default and can actively draw more of that power if need be, which all Saints can do, as they don't use 100% as a self-defense mechanism, although, there was a person who could output 200% of their power as a Saint, but he is an outlier among outliers, and there has never been a person like that since Kaori's fight with the man.

Back to Kaori, she also has access to a spell she has dubbed God Breaker, which through special breathing and her nodachi, she can enter a mode that further increases her superhuman-ness, however, it puts a great strain on her. Before we continue, I want to draw attention to Aleister for a moment, who used a spell that made her body purified and synchronized with that of the Son of God, like that of a Saint, said spell built her body up to a higher level, which she kept on until her death after defeating her enemy and accomplishing her goals.

And now we reach the "energy beings" of the To Aru Verse, and there are quite a few of 'em. Notable examples are the Golden Dawn reproductions, whose true identities are literal just a bunch of dusty tarot cards, but when powered by the ley lines, earth energy, they can manifest physical human forms and use the same same energy to use their spells. The Archangel known as Misha is like the Golden Dawn reproductions, but she uses energy from Heaven called Telesma and energy from the ley lines to maintain her existence and for her spells. Lastly, Hyouka Kazakiri and Aiwass doesn't use telesma and ley energy per say, but an entirely different energy source called A.I.M, which stems from 80% of the 2.3 million population that lives in Academy City, which is the energy source of Espers (Oh, Qliphah and Coronzon are also the same, but I am pretty sure we never got the name of their energy source and the latter maintained a flesh-and-blood physical form for the longest time until she was literally soul ripped out of that body) - All of these beings share the traits of needing their energy source, which powers their existence and basically anything they do, without their energy source, they either stop existing altogether or return to a non-physical form until they can get more energy.

Side-note, I am pretty sure that the Top Tiers like Magic Gods are kinda the same as the energy beings I talked about above - they just do it at a higher degree. Or something like that. They are just weird like that, and to my knowledge, it has never been explained - granted the lot of them are a bunch of bored monsters who constantly fight each other and endlessly destroy the world over-and-over with their bare hands, magic, or anything they come across, so eh.

Basically, the top brass of the verse have access to stuff that can be used for superpowers and buff their physical capabilities and that any feat that either one does is exchangeable for the other. There might be some people in the lower tiers that fit the requirements for UES like Junko, but they are outliers.

Okay, that is about it for this section - as the only reason why I wrote all of this up here was to explain why the heck did I even think that this CRT was even possible. Heh. Let's give this a shot, shall we.


[Upgrading the Top Tiers]​

Let's recap a few points for this proposal.

  • Fiamma's The One Above God state is merely a state that allows Fiamma to wield the power that should originally have been within him at its full output, a power that could easily wipe away the planet Earth and should, at the very least, be equal to the power that Archangel Michael has, who should be comparable to Gabriel, which should be superior to the incomplete and distorted being known as Misha Kreutzev, who can manipulate heavenly bodies / celestial bodies to create stars, remove all of the stars in the sky, move the moon to turn day into night, and so forth, who was weaker than those two.

  • Touma's IT casually crushed Fiamma's show of power and made him feel afraid - however, 50/50 Magic God Othinus showed up and crushed a weaker version of it with ease, and was seemingly prepared to fight the WWIII manifestation despite having knowledge of its power. Ollerus and Fiamma working together could fend off Othinus and drive her away from Touma. In their second confrontation, Ollerus could fight evenly with Othinus for a time and withstood some of her attacks (but at the cost of sustaining notable damage) to unwittingly pierce himself via an illusion before Fiamma managed to pierce Othinus with a surprise attack and protect himself from some of Othinus' attacks.

  • 50/50 Othinus and 100% Othinus aren't really different from each other; the former merely has an unavoidable weakness that the latter doesn't have, therefore, it is theoretically possible for any feats that 100% Othinus has done is something that 50/50 Othinus can done - like say, bringing down the moon to crush somebody or turning all the stars in the skies into danmaku and raining it down on a person.

  • There's Aiwass who casually crushed Touma's IT that grew stronger and was declared by Othinus to be a being that could oppose a Magic God, but as Othinus has never actually seen a nerfed Magic God in action and likely only has the information that Touma had about High Priest, she could only use herself (and likely Ollerus) for a basis in this statement. Who is then followed by Coronzon, who can match Aiwass while he was being strengthened and while she was being weakened, who is matched by Aleister (Son of God) who could fight her and destroy her attacks with physical blows who also had the magical energy that is necessary to kill a nerfed Magic God and could kill them, who was matched by Mathers evenly.

  • Then, everything is followed up by Accelerator, who has fought a number of 5-B people all by himself - Even a Magic God after Accelerator got a literal power-up via Qliphah undergoing character development while he was fighting Nephthys that made him much stronger than his previous showing - so the Accelerator that fought Nephthys is much stronger than the Accelerator that briefly fought Coronzon and Mathers.

  • Lastly, there is the nerfed Magic Gods in question who stand everybody else in this chain 'sides maybe Accelerator and Aleister w/prep time, who can pretty much do whatever the above can do, and are much stronger, to the point that Fiamma, who could pierce Othinus, wasn't even able to scratch High Priest with his improved spell... Again, statements in where they considered Othinus a failure and Aiwass a joke happened before they got hit by the nerf hammer, so aren't too important to this scaling chain.

  • And then there is the GT crew of Anna, Anna, and Alice, who I don't know where they belong, but eh. Stronger than Aiwass, at least, due to the first Anna, while heavily weakened, being able to easily fold him, but afterwards... Well. GT is still an ongoing novel, which should've a new volume in a few months from now.
Now for the things that make this upgrade possible...

Othinus as 100% Othinus could turn all of the stars in the sky into spears of light in an attempt to kill Touma, which should be something that 50/50 Othinus can do as Gungnir is merely item that Othinus has to rid herself of her 50/50 weakness and is not something that powers her up. A nerfed Magic God in the World Rejector World might be able to do the same feat as well - for context's sake, he is a guy named Tezcatlipoca; apparently, he is a (Magic) God of the Sun, he was created to combat the Spanish guy who was mistaken for the original Quetzalcoatl, being a Aztec Magic God and all of the Aztec spells in the verse being spells that use the light of other celestial bodies might mean the guy was using actual stars - or might not, it is hard to tell with text stuff.] (These feats are 4-A via the Starry Sky calc that I was told to default to due to all of these feats easily entering FTL KE territory and all of them being in light novel format) - (High 4-C, or near baseline 4-B for the Magic Gods if the 4-A can't be used here.)

When Aiwass was summoned by Aleister to battle in NT10, there was a weird feat - i.e, when summoned, a "universe" was filled with an explosion brighter than the sun, or, a universe illumination feat. Yeah, I'll give a bit more context here. Apparently, a windowless building named The Windowless Building in-story was invaded by Touma and his crew, it was discovered that the interior was affected by space manipulation hax, which was through "scientific means" considering Touma's Imagine Breaker didn't negate anything upon entering the space, which resulted in the windowless building being able to contain an entire Non-Euclidean dimension within itself. Somehow. (4-B)

While Misha herself is a High Tier character, she does have an interesting ability called Astro Hand; which has the power to manipulate celestial bodies. While this doesn't scale to the other High Tier since she didn't use it against them, granted, Misha had her reasons; she didn't want to bother since she was already sending down a spell that would turn half of the planet into ash upon immediately showing herself (Angel Fall), she was under the control of Fiamma (WWIII), she had returned to being "purely" Gabriel and not Misha and sought to return to heaven by melting the ice at the North Pole to replenish her physical body - uncaring of the fact this would screw up the world greatly as Gabriel's actions would cause an absurd phreatic explosion covering an area with a radius of 1000 kilometers and has the threat of making a major error in the Earth's orbital trajectory that would cause it to leave the solar system (Finale of Index), and only had a brief cameo-slash-mention before Aleister used a spell to destroy her-slash-banish her back to heaven (Aleister vs. Mathers fight). Oh, and getting to the point, Misha is capable of turning afternoon into night and move all of the stars in the sky so far away that they could no longer be seen near instantly and once Misha disappeared due to a group effort "defeating" her, which should've reverted the effects of her Astro Hand and returned the skies to normal, Fiamma stepped up and simply used his own power to keep the stars at bay and create his own stars for his ritual - and then Fiamma powered up via the aforementioned ritual and become The One Above God, which immensely superior to Misha and his Base Key to an immeasurable amount. (4-A, but I am sure that the only calc that can be used here is the starry sky calc)

Coronzon was confident that she could survive an incomplete activation of her Ceremony of Mo Athair, while it wouldn't activate the actual verse-wide wipe Coronzon actually wanted it to do, it was still stated that the incomplete ceremony was enough to destroy about half the universe - and that she just figure out another way to achieve her goals after her obvious enemies were dealt with, and she can't do that if she is dead. Although, there is the counter that this is probably only due to the physical body that Coronzon has used throughout the series is merely an avatar Coronzon that exists somewhere else, so this probably isn't good enough by itself. (Half of the Universe is... still 3-A? or just high end 3-B? Idk)

Aleister had no confidence whatsoever that she could defeat a Magic God, even the ones that were twice infinitely nerfed, despite having access to his Big Bang Bomb and having access to his Blasting Rod spell which multiplies the effects of his attacks by 10x at the spell's weakest. Said Big Bang Bomb was confirmed to have the actual effects of a Big Bang in-verse by the narrator and should be comparable to a Big Bang due to how Aleister's magic works. (This is 3-A)

Therefore, with all of this in mind, I make the following proposal for the 5-B characters. (Note: if using the 4-A rating for universe shaking in the reference for common feats doesn't work here, replace all of the 4-A ratings with 4-B ratings or smth)

For Base!Fiamma via Holy Right and Ollerus - At Most 4-A

Othinus, Touma's Invisible Thing and Fiamma (LSaPD) - At Least 4-A

For every 5-B character who aren't Ollerus, Othinus, Touma's Invisible Thing, and Fiamma and aren't the Nerfed Magic Gods and Accelerator [Aleister (SoG) (- and possibly every one of Aleister's keys if one takes into consideration that Fiamma thought it was a hopeless thing to challenge First Key Aleister to a fight and one considers the idea that Fiamma didn't get much stronger since his encounter with Aleister was less than two weeks ago in-verse), Coronzon, Aiwass, Anna] - At Least 4-A, likely higher

For Accelerator's AP (and only his AP in his last key) - At Least 4-A, likely higher, higher with Black Wings, much higher with White Wings, far higher with Platinum Wings

For nerfed Magic Gods - At least 4-A, likely 3-A, possibly far higher

New Justification Examples

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (Base w/ Index Controller) Attack Potency - Unknown physically, At most 4-A with Holy Right (Is the leader of God's Right Seat, the most powerful group inside the Roman Catholic Church. Was able to keep the skies starless after Misha Kreutzev after have been defeated by multiple forces working together. Likely comparable to Ollerus as the two fought Othinus together on two separate occasions. Was able to pierce Othinus with his Turn into a Fairy spell)

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (Base w/ Index Controller) Durability - Unknown physically, At most 4-A with Holy Right (Fiamma uses the Holy Right for both offense and defense)

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (La Persona Superiore a Dio) Attack Potency - Unknown physically, At least 4-A with Holy Right (Is immensely superior to his Base self. Is able to wield the unrestrained power of the Holy Right within a perfected world)

New Justification for Fiamma of the Right (La Persona Superiore a Dio) Durability - Unknown physically, At least 4-A with Holy Right (Comparable to his attack potency)

New Justification for Ollerus' Attack Potency - At most 4-A (Is noted to be comparable to Othinus and a greater threat to her plans than Imagine Breaker but loses to her in overall power. Was confident enough to stroll into Academy City and beat down Sogiita Gunha to send a message to Aleister Crowely. Likely comparable to Fiamma of the Right as the two fought Othinus together on two separate occasions. Was capable of piercing himself with his own Turn into a Fairy spell after being caught into an illusion created by Othinus)

New Justification for Ollerus' Durability - At most 4-A (Took hits from Othinus through he was left rather injured, but was willing and able to continue to fight after Othinus had ascended past her 50/50 weakness)

New Justification for 50/50 Othinus' Attack Potency - (Was confident enough to face Touma's Invisible Thing after she noted its power during World War III. Was able to crush Touma's Invisible Thing weaker manifestation in Baggage City with her bare hands. Superior to Fiamma of the Right and Ollerus as the two had to fight together on two separate occasions to stand a chance against her)

New Justification for 50/50 Othinus' Durability (Comparable to her attack potency)


[Upgrading the High Tier + Adding Characters to this Group]​

Let's recap a few points for this proposal.

  • Misha attacks people with her wings a lot of the time, which are powered by Telesma which in turn fall under the boundary of Universal Energy System; which means, despite Misha's body being more harder than her wings, those who have cut and stopped those wings of hers (Kaori, Carissa, MoV) should roughly scale to them and Misha's other attacks - And of course, it is important to mention that Aiwass, Hyouka, Coronzon, and the Golden Dawn Magicians are the same as Misha, i.e, people who falls under the boundary of Universal Energy System.

  • Of course, the flesh-and-blood human High Tier members fall under the boundary of Universal Energy System, from my understanding as well, it is just the ones above who are the most notable people.

  • Kaori, in turn, has fought with a vast majority of the people within High Tier ranging from Misha (of course), Víðarr Shoes Woman, Leivinia Birdway, Brunhild, Acqua of the Black, Knight Leader, Carisaa, Mjolnir, The UK Trio (Acqua, KL, and Carissa), Aleister - basically, she is the backbone of the High Tier scaling chain - with people like Thor, Silvia, Accelerator, Golden Dawn Magicians, Index (John Pen), Elizard, and Kazakiri Hyouka having not fought her but have fought people that Kaori has fought or fought alongside people that has fought with Kaori.

  • The Level 5s possibly have a foot in the door to enter the territory of High Tier - Mikoto could fight a Saint for a time, NT!Mugino could blast away Teitoku's Dark Matter, Gunha is flat-out stronger than the two before him, Teitoku's Dark Matter could withstand and stop Accelerator's attacks, and Accelerator Pre-OT19 doesn't seem any different from his OT21 self barring a mentality change and another lost against Touma under his belt - with there being no direct mentions or suggestions in that getting whooped by Aiwass increased his physical capabilities and only increased his intellectual abilities in regards to magic.

  • Lastly, from my own gathering, there isn't any direct statements that Accelerator's various Wings bestow him varying amount of power - i.e, one wing mode is stronger than the other wing mode (baring the Platinum Wings, due to being special ones) - the only thing directed stated about them is that the Black Wings is driven by negative emotions and constantly wears against Accelerator's mind while the White Wings only manifest when Accelerator has the desire to protect something or someone - it bares mention that Wing Winged Accelerator's only feat was something that Accelerator was prepared to do with his Black Wings but was stopped by Last Order before he could.

Now for the things that make this upgrade possible...

Well. To start this section off, I want to talk about a Top Tier character named Fiamma of the Right. Basically, he had a flying landmass/fortress and needed to release it from the sky, however... Fiamma couldn't use the "normal" magic needed because he purified his "original sin" from his body to enter a secretive group known as God's Right Seat, which costed him the ability to use normal magic - and would result in him just becoming a "normal human" once he loses his Holy Right after using up all of its stock. To circumvent this issue, Fiamma decided to use the power of Index Librorum Prohibitorum, with 103,000 magical books in her head/perfect memory, to lift up his floating fortress thanks to his having a device that took away her free will but allowed her to use her full power of her 103,000 magic books. (6-C | Class P )

Brunhild, through wielding the legendary Norse spear Gungnir, could control lightning, floods, earthquakes, tornados, volcanic eruptions, and any other natural disaster as a weapon; which she used offensively via releasing magma from the ground to attack Kaori. While this may sound like this doesn't apply to physical stats, it appears Gungnir was passively releasing "pressure" that would've torn to pieces the bodies of "normal" magicians, that Brunhild's body was able to withstand this "pressure" and could draw out a lot of the spear's power, though she could only output 70% maximally of Gungnir's power but that is 100% attributed to Kaori attacking before Gungnir was fully completed. Also, Brunhild's Gungir could match Kaori's Yuisen, which is another feat for it. (High 6-C)

Through the power of magic, silver girl Aleister Crowely uses a spell that places the weight of the world on Samuel Liddell Macgregor Mathers in order to demonstrate her power and her feat of overcoming her inferiority complex and her complex towards a certain religion (High 6-A)

Basically, Accelerator got really, really pissed off and decided to pick up a building, infused it with the rotational energy of the earth (which reduced five minutes on the Earth's rotation), and threw it at a building that is named... The Windowless Building, which did nothing to it in the slightest. Flashforward many many volumes/years irl later... Mikoto and Misaki flies right next to the Windowless Building via the former's mecha, and the both of them decide to team up and create a new attack, the Liquid Proof Railgun, that is strong enough to damage the Windowless Building significantly - flashforward onto three volumes later, Mikoto decides to use this attack on a guy name Mathers and it fails due to his defenses being too strong - and then magical girl Aleister comes out of nowhere and uses a magical spell that bypasses Mathers' defenses and tears into his side... So basically, everyone else mentioned here that isn't Accelerator himself just scales above Accelerator's attack. (High 6-A)

On a side note, Accelerator can, while in a state that was nowhere his prime and his time limit for his ability fast approaching, he could still control the Earth's rotation below his feet, the earth's revolution, and all of the other forces and convert them into forces that he wants - meaning Accelerator's slowing the earth's rotation feat wasn't something that he put a lot of effort into, which was likely already the case since the text specifically says that the earth’s rotation slowed by about five minutes for September 30 (the in-verse date for this feat) in an instant. (Support)

While it is a bit weird to mention Fiamma of the Right, a Top Tier character, I am talking about him here since he has a couple of interesting feats attached to his belt that benefits the High Tier group since he did a feat here (while he was weakened) that a High tier character stopped. Essentially, Fiamma of the Right unleashed an attack that would engulf Eurasia at the very least that was also stopped by Accelerator ramming himself direct into it - and to expand more on this feat, it was stated to be an attack that would cause a ridiculously huge explosion will spread across the surface and could easily destroy all of human civilization; and Fiamma of the Right just figured that, at the very least, the entire continent of Eurasia will be enveloped by this attack considering the fact that he was in a flying fortress that was situated above Russia. Earth Surface Explosion, basically. Side note, Accelerator stopped Fiamma's attack that would have destroyed Eurasia at the very least or would've caused a human civilization-wiping explosion when he was in a rather bad condition; basically, Accelerator had suffered internal injuries from the recoil of casting a magic spell to save a young girl's life beforehand and Fiamma's attack almost came immediately after he regained consciousness after passing out for a bit. And the lack of any direct statement or implication that Accelerator's Wings are different in strength, and the fact that Accelerator was prepared to use his black wings prior to being stopped and unlocking his white wings, this High 6-A feat might scale to the both of Accelerator's winged forms. (High 6-A)

Lastly for this character; Fiamma of the Right via his ability, Holy Right, which powers every single one of Fiamma's actions in battle, is also stated by the narrative that he is capable of being able to dry the oceans of the world in a single strike, which is well... Within the same range as the feat above. (High 6-A)

But what is more than any of the above is Misha's Usage of the spell, Sweep. Before I mention anything more, I would like to say I have not seen any mentions in the novels of Misha's Sweep needing thirty minutes of constant barrages to "destroy the world" anywhere, just that Misha needs a thirty minute charge time to get everything arranged, and that the only usage of a barrage with Sweep that Misha used was during WWIII in which it was stated that it was a restrained usage of the Sweep that was commanded by a man that had explicit control over Misha's actions and who had a desire to "save" the world. The importance of Sweep stems from the fact that two High Tier characters was able to tank it (with minor injuries for only one character) and that it came from the thing that powers Misha and her other spells, which is important since Misha is under a UES (maybe), meaning, it scales to her physically and it appears that Misha was able to use her WWIII Sweep without any set-up or charge-time with only a thirty second reload time as a limitation, thus... Well, Acqua passively draws power from Misha, and he did safety absorb 33% of Misha's power actively, and only overloaded after taking 50% of her power actively in very quick timeframe without regard to his being, so scaling for him too. (5-C for Misha and those directly comparable to her, which is everyone in High Tier via Kaori Scaling | High 6-A for Acqua being able to absorb 33% of Misha's power in an instant without problem, and for those who downscale to him, which is everyone in High Tier via Kaori Scaling.)

One more thing about Misha, uh... Well, it is another one of Misha's abilities, really. Astro Hand. Which Misha has used to turn day into night, move the moon, stop Earth's rotation, move all the stars, and create new stars... It is the ability to control celestial bodies, which has been stated over-and-over all through out the first series of To Aru books to be something that Misha can do, and while it isn't something that she used offensively against people, Misha had her reasons - she didn't want to bother since she was already sending down a spell that would turn half of the planet into ash upon immediately showing herself (Angel Fall), she was under the control of Fiamma (WWIII), she had returned to being "purely" Gabriel and not Misha and sought to return to heaven by melting the ice at the North Pole to replenish her physical body (uncaring of the fact this would screw up the world greatly as Gabriel's actions would cause an absurd phreatic explosion covering an area with a radius of 1000 kilometers and has the threat of making a major error in the Earth's orbital trajectory that would cause it to leave the solar system) (Finale of Index), and only had a cameo before Aleister used a spell to destroy her-slash-banish her back to heaven (Aleister vs. Mathers fight). While people might argue that this doesn't scale to her, I would like to point out the fact that the celestial bodies that Misha manipulated stayed when she manipulated them to go until she was "defeated" and out of the picture.

...Just like a certain Starscourge, heh. Doesn't scale to anybody in this Tier Group, however.

Side Note

In essence, the rating for the High Tier is going to downscale to Misha's 5-C WWIII Sweep (and possibly scales fully to it) via Hyouka and Accelerator being able to tank it, Misha being able to gather up energy and fire it at the aforementioned duo near-instantly and only suffering from a thirty second reload time, and Acqua, at his full power, being stated to be superior to Misha and absorb 33% of her power with upmost ease - with Pre-Saint Killer Acqua being the only character getting a likely far higher rating, Misha and everybody else just getting a plain High 6-C, Possibly 5-C rating with no higher rating attached to it.

BTW, Thor gets At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C durability for Mjolnir's energy flowing throughout his entire power to power him up (like Accelerator w/ his wings), being able to withstand the recoil from point blank-explosion on his feat from his arc blades with no issue, could do the same with his arms, could dispel shockwaves from Silvia by creating explosions from his arc blades, and I should mention, when Touma fought Thor, a limitation was bought up that stated Thor's wrists suffer great strain if Thor's arc blades hits something they can't cut - like taking a metal baseball bat and swinging it at a concrete wall at speeds that a person can’t control.

Leivinia Birdway gets High 6-A, Possibly 5-C durability via Magic via scaling. That is about it.

Every combat-capable level 5s (barring Third Key Accelerator) get an At Most High 6-A, possibly 5-C rating. Due to Mikoto and Mugino's performance in NT6, Mikoto w/ The A.A.A being able to keep up with John Pen Index, Gunha and L6S Mikoto being stronger than her base self (and the latter growing by the second), Kakine being able to match Accelerator, who should be comparable if not equal to himself when he fought Misha in WWII alongside Hyouka.

Oh, and before anybody brings it up, it has never been once stated that Misha needs thirty minutes of multiple rounds of Sweep raining down the Earth to turn half of the planet into ashes - the entire issue with Angel Fall's Sweep was that they needed to stop the ritual to un-summon Misha in thirty minutes lest they all die, and the thing with WWIII's Sweep is that Fiamma is controlling Misha and reducing the potency of Sweep due to his save the world plan that couldn't work without a world for him to save.

Therefore, with all of this in mind, I make the following proposal for the the High Tier characters

Angel Fall Misha - At Least High 6-A (11.23 Exaton), possibly 5-C (33.70 Exaton) [Possibly 5-C is scaling directly to Sweep's 5-C End and At Least High 6-A is downscaling to it via Acqua's 1/3 / 33% absorption of Misha/Gabriel's power], up to Low 5-B (3.37 Zettaton) with Complete Sweep, 4-A with Astro Hand (Read this section's justification examples to get an idea on why I am trying this with Angel Fall's Misha)

Pre-Saint Killer Acqua - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C, likely far higher

(Mostly) Everybody Else - High 6-A, Possibly 5-C

The Level 5s - At Most High 6-A, Possibly 5-C

Justification Examples

New Justification for (AF) Misha's Attack Potency - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (During Angel Fall, Gabriel could fight against Kanzaki Kaori and put her on the defensive. Should be comparable to her World War III manifestation. She can produce tens of millions of Sweep arrows near-instantly, while only suffering from a short reload time afterwards) up to Low 5-B with Complete Sweep (If given thirty minutes, Sweep can unleash the full power of her Sweep spell, which is this strong), 4-A with Astro in Hand (Can supposedly stop the Earth's rotation if she wishes. Can moving the Earth and the Moon relative positions to turn day into night. Should be comparable to her World War III manifestation that could remove all of the stars in the sky)

New Justification for (AF) Misha's Attack Potency - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Should be comparable to her Attack Potency)

New Justification for Kaori's Attack Potency - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Is regarded as one of London's strongest magicians. Could put Carissa with Curtana Original on the backfoot with assistance from Post Saint Killer Acqua and Knight Leader. Could fend off Carissa with Curtana Fragments, Post-World War III Acqua, and Knight Leader without Curtana's Blessing all at the same time for a long but unspecific time period during the manhunt for Othinus), higher with Yuisen (Can supposedly can cut an Archangel in half. Was able to clash evenly with Brunhild's Gungnir. Has been stated by Carissa that it is on the same level as Curtana Original's dimension-severing attack), far higher with Breaker of God (Using in tandem with Yuisen was enough for Kanzaki to cut down Misha Kreutzev's Telesma-infused wings during Angel Fall)

New Justification for Kaori's Durability - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Endured attacks from Acqua, Carissa, and others on this level)

New Justification for Pre-Saint Killer Acqua's Attack Potency - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C, likely far higher (Has harmed Kanzaki Kaori with his attacks and it has been stated that he is superior to her by a notable amount. Carissa with Curtana Original had noted that he would be a difficult opponent to kill. Kanzaki Kaori had remarked that she felt more power emitting from him than the incomplete summoning of Misha Kreutzev in Angel Fall.)

New Justification for Pre-Saint Killer Acqua's Durability - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C (Endured attacks from Kaori on this level. He is capable of absorbing 33% of an Archangel's power into his body without issue during World War III and only overloaded after taking 50% of her power)

Example Justification for people's Attack Potency who should be comparable or superior to Kaori by using Leivinia Birdway as a basis here - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C with Magic (Is the leader of one of the largest magic cabals in the world and the largest Golden-style cabal in Europe. Could clash against Kanzaki Kaori in an entirely off-screen battle. Was considered useful enough to Ollerus for her to be apart of his group during the Norse Gremlin and Magic God Othinus Arc)

Example Justification for people's Durability that should be comparable or superior to Kaori by using Leivinia Birdway as a basis here - At Least High 6-A, possibly 5-C with Magic (Should be comparable to her Attack Potency that is on this level)


[Regarding the The Joker Tier, The Low Tier, and The Middle Tier]​

Let's recap a few points for this proposal.

  • Essentially, this entire section requires on everybody scales to Pre-Headshot Accelerator w/o his powers, who should be physically comparable to his Post-Headshot self on account of Pre-Headshot not being a cripple with brain damage, thus Pre-headshot is, by the most technical of technicalities, his peak physical self barring his the durability boost that his wings grant him or his Post-Headshot's well-earned pain tolerance.

  • I should mention that the AP value that scales to Pre-Headshot and Post-Headshot Accelerator comes from taking punches from Touma, whose AP scales to his dura via the fact that he strikes with his bare fists and can harm himself.

  • Also, also, I should mention that Misaki downscales to him via the very few physical feats that she has which suggests she is at least comparable to the crippled #1, even then though, she'll only downscale.

  • Okay, continuing from Pre-Headshot Accelerator will be people like Uiharu, who we knows trains a bit and is slightly athletic due to being a part of Judgment, Seria, who is in the same boat as Uiharu but change Judgment for the Dark Side of Academy City and knowing some martial arts, Leivinia, who can harm Touma with physical strikes and endure a punch from Touma, Kuroko, due to being a martial artist that has fought alongside Touma and has harmed him via her dropkicks, and so forth and so forth until we reach the Three Heroes (Touma, Shiage, and Accelerator [NT10, and onward]) - who will then be accompanied by people who scale to them and then succeeded by people who scales above them - and the latter will be succeeded by Junko, due to her being able to keep up and harm a casual Gunha... there is also a small group that consist of Naruha and Huotou from the Accelerator manga, but we can ignore them.

Now for the things that make this upgrade possible...

No need for this section in this portion of the CRT.

Side Note

So, hear is a list of absurd things that Accelerator has survived being hit by. By Teitoku in OT15, which... said moments are Teitoku using sunlight as a deadly laser, Teitoku using his wings as a blunt weapon and striking him directly, Teitoku also did it twice, i.e, using his wings as a blunt weapon against him again, and the two of them can even exchange attacks with each other and blast themselves away from each other in a shockwave DBZ-style. By Misha/Gabriel in OT21, in where he got hit by a volley from her Sweep spell, had some of its damage reduced by his power, and could continue to fight onwards for an unspecified time but likely for a bit due to an internal comment from Accelerator that stated the battery for his choker was rapidly diminishing. In the early parts of NT, there wasn't much Accelerator did in terms of fighting, but he did have a rematch with Teitoku who learned the art of eternal cloning himself although much of it was offscreen but presumably it was on the same scale as his previous fight with the #2, also, he gets knocked the f-%$ out by Touma armed with a rock. By Nephthys in NT22, he flat-out takes a few "hits" from a Magic God like a champ, and that's that.

So, hear is a list of absurd things that Touma has survived being hit by... Yes, it is a lot and has already been noted... twice now, at the very least, so I'll just get the highlights. By Rensa in NT6, where she manipulates Beetle 05's Dark Matter Wings to hit him, and he gets back up quickly. By Othinus in NT10, in where she uses an explosion on him in where he tries to dodge it but still gets hit by it in mid-air, and he gets back up quickly. By Silvia in NT10, in where she beats Touma to near-death with her Saint strength and reduces him to a dark red mass, but could apparently get back up rather quickly to walk through a blizzard and fight Thor a short amount of time afterwards. By Accelerator himself in three different fights, and all of it is already listed and noted in the explanation and context section, so no need to repeat it again - plus, it is bothersome, tbh. Weirdly enough... Touma with his Dragon Shell, despite it only showed up once in one volume, has a few decent feats to it... namely, he could effortless tank Mikoto's Railgun with his Dragon Shell, he could make Kaori wince in pain from one of his attacks, keep up with her speed for a moment, and it was stated by the narration that his Dragon shell has briefly reached Kaori's level... Oh, Kamijou no Touma's Dragon Shell is probably equal if not superior to Touma's Dragon Shell, but Touma didn't give him a chance to show off his ability like any all until he just flat out killed him by shoving glass down his throat, from what I gathered.

Basically, Touma and Accelerator have been hit a crap-ton of times by various High Tier people and one Top/God Tier characters (and as usual, Touma scores one over Accelerator due to having "faced" more High Tier and Top/God Tier people than him) to the point that it is kinda consistent to have some scaling going on that revolves around them or possibly gives some evidence that proves these two are getting stronger over-time as the series progress - which, honestly, is a lot better than what other characters in the verse have to use in order to scale to others.

That, and once again, I would like to remind everyone that Touma could harm Black & White Winged Accelerator with his punches - which explicitly power him up and give him superhuman durability, which should be a constant thing, thus, Imagine Breaker might not even be able to negate Accelerator's enhanced durability - meaning, Touma could punch a 6-C (High Tier) with no issue and a High 6-C (High Tier) with some issue and had to get creative. His right wrist could also hold out longer than Lightning God Thor's (High Tier) wrists. He could also punch out a 5-B (Top Tier) with no issue... While he was very close to death and his body was horribly injured via it tearing itself apart through Touma's usage of magic as he fought.

Also, also... uh... there is some text during Touma and Accelerator's second fight that implies Accelerator's Blacks wings might've hit Touma's body - idk why I am bringing this up. I just figured I should to say my piece. Or something.

Therefore, with all of this in mind, I make the following proposal for the the joker tier characters, the low tier characters, and the middle tier characters.

For everyone that isn't Doppelganger, Sakuragi Naruha via Paper Golem, and Huotou (Hitokawa Hasami) - At Least 8-C (0.98 Tons), Possibly 8-B (12.88 Tons) [I.E, the compromise that Dragnoir agreed with in my last CRT]

For Fre/nda's Explosives - 8-B (18.54 Tons)

For Doppelganger, Sakuragi Naruha via Paper Golem, and Huotou (Hitokawa Hasami) - At Least 8-B (43.68 tons)

Note: I also have two higher 8-B calcs [8-B #1 - (20.59 tons) | 8-B #2 - (27.32 tons)] that can be used instead of the 8-B (12.88 tons) calc. There is also the 8-A [359.97 Tons] calc that can be used... er... remain untouched. Am awkwardly bringing this up here, cuz I can.

For the Magic of Magic Users - Possibly 7-C (10.04 Kilotons) - This is here due to the calc linked needed to be talked about in a calc thread, but it was resolved, so it is here now to be applied to profiles.

Justification Examples

New Justification for Touma's Attack Potency - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B (His perfect doppelganger in every single way could harm him with his physical attacks. Could knock out Accelerator, Hamzaura Shiage, possibly Anna Sprengel, and others with his punches. Has punched Stiyl Magnus so hard that he spun like a bamboo copter, has knocked out Aleister Crowely with a single punch, and could punch Agnese Sanctis so hard that her body bounced several meters away)

New Justification for Touma's Durability - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B (Has withstand a number of brutal beatings from Saint-level threats like Kanzaki Kaori, Acqua of the Back, Carissa with Curtana Original, and Silvia. Has withstood being hit by Beetle 05's Dark Matter wing. Could withstand one of Othinus' explosions with minimal injuries. Has tanked a number of Accelerator's attacks and kept on fighting on numerous occasions, despite Accelerator's being as strong as (calc #1) this and could easily incapacitate someone who has withstood (calc #2) this)

New Justification for Shiage's Attack Potency - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B (Comparable to Kamijou Touma and has traded blows with him on two occasion , even winning against him in their second battle although there were several circumstances that were against Kamijou Touma)

New Justification for Shiage's Durability - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B (Can withstand being tackled, headbutted, and punched in the face by Kamijou Touma and continue fighting.

New Justification for Accelerator's Attack Potency (Physically, for all keys) - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B physically (Could pull Kihara Amata's hair hard enough to rip it out along with his skin and break his nose with a counter punch that had his entire strength behind it. Could beat Misaka Worst to a bloody pulp after suffering from an attack from her that had him mentally collapsing from despair)

New Justification for Accelerator's Durability (Physically, for all keys in regards to his physical stuff) - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B physically (Has withstood being hit by a number of Kakine Teitoku's Dark Matter attacks. Withstood Misha Kreutzev's Sweep although his Vector Manipulation reduced some of the damage, and needed to be subjected to a few more volleys to be subdued. Took several direct hits from Nephthys without any mention of his Vector Manipulation reducing their effectiveness. Has took numerous punches from Kamijou Touma and developed a tolerance for them although he was still able to knock him out in their third fight through striking his chest with a rock)

New Justification for people's Attack Potency who should be comparable to Touma and Accelerator by using Leivinia (Physically) as a basis here - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B physically (Could harm Kamijou Touma and give him a light concussion after striking him)

New Justification for for people's Attack Potency who should be comparable to Touma and Accelerator by using Leivinia (Physically) as a basis here - At least 8-C, possibly 8-B physically (Comparable to her Attack Potency that is at this level)



[Fixing Profile Issues]​

Here's the run down.
Thor's Profile Issues
  • In his range section, it only lists down his arc blades and only them; thus, ignoring the fact that Thor often opts for hand-to-hand combat as shown by his fights with Touma, and the existence of Almighty Thor that essentially has planetary range due to how it works.
  • He quite literally doesn't have a Lifting Strength section in his profile; thus, he needs this fix - "Unknown physically, far higher with Megingjord" to account for Thor's lack of LS showcasing and the impossibility of calcing his own LS feat. - granted, I suppose that is the issue of being a novel only character... Okay, the To Aru Gacha game does exist, but it still doesn't help.
Marian's Profile Issues
  • Her keys, basically. She has three keys, to be exact. Her Third Key is when she was using a piece of equipment called Draupnir... Which she only used during NT10, which only had one direct mention or at least that is what I found with Ctrl-F, and its only usage was to make a sword. Easy fix since it isn't listed anywhere, so I think somebody just forgot to get rid of it. Her Second Key should just be combined with her first/base key as it is literally her with a sword that is on her person at all times (and can summon) and something she used extensively on her two notable fights (i.e, fights with Touma), barring her minor brief fight in NT4 like Maria and Shuri. Oh, also, affected by the upgrades, so her second key's High 8-C rating gotta go -('sides, it is vague and unsupported by anything)
Touma's Profile Issues
  • We should add Touma's Dragon Heads key and Touma's Invisible Thing key to his base for a few reasons - number one, they are things that pop out of Touma once his right hand gets cut off (or once he realizes it has been cut off, due to NT22), number two, Touma can "summon" the thins that are beyond his right hand without losing it as shown by NT13 and can "control" the things that are beyond his right hand as shown by GT7, number 3, as suggested by the fact that Touma could summon more "things beyond his right hand" according to a Twitter text from an important person to the anime/manga there is nothing to suggest that Touma's Invisible Thing isn't just another summon (weirdly enough, the Dragon that showed up in OT2 might be the same "Invisible Thing" that showed up in OT22, NT4, and NT8; just that Touma's blood revealed its form), and number four... it removes entirely needless keys that are common attributed to his base key in the first place.
Shiage's Profile Issues
  • Why does Shiage have keys for one-off pieces of tech that he only used once, can't ever get or use again ('cept the Power Lifter) and doesn't really offer anything new (due to my upgrades, ngl) or the like. Plus, they don't even fit the standard of standard equipment, which refers to a set of items that a character can be expected to have on hand at any time, or optional equipment, which encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, so it is just weird to have them listed on Shiage's profile and makes his profile a mess, tbh.
Shizuri's Profile Issues
  • It is an issue that revolves around a profile's keys again. Basically, she has three keys. But it isn't noted anywhere in her ratings like her attack potency rating or the like. So gotta fix that. Oh, and only her second key should have a higher with body crystal rating attached to it since it is the only point of Shizuri that she actually has that item (heh) on hand.
Etzali's Profile Issues
  • He has two other keys. Two keys that literally only existence because he picks up a powerful magic item after defeating a Magician on two separate occasions and likely keeps on-hand afterwards, so other than that... There is no difference from him in second/third key to himself in his first key, so... remove it to fix it by combining everything to his base, or smth.
Aleister's Profile Issues
  • His Ratings and Tierings in Attack Potency are a bit weird, so I wanna fix it with this - At Least 8-C, Possibly 8-B Physically, higher with Spiritual Tripping, At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C with Magic, 3-A with Big Bang Bomb, up to at least High 1-C with Blasting Rod - Ales-tan will be the same here - Aleister (SoG) will... am not entirely sure, tbh, will have to talk about it.

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[The End]​

And that's that. Here's hoping that everything will go well, or something along those lines. Idk. This section is only here cuz I think it would be right to have something like this here. If that makes any sense. Oh, and after this CRT... I'mma go do with what Churronzon is doing and revise the crap out of profiles by fixing them up, adding missing abilities, and adding as much references as I can to make them look sleek and modern by current day Vs. Battle Wiki standards - and afterwards, once I had my fill, I am going to start revising the speed rating and make a "speed" chain for every single tier group.

So plenty of work ahead for me, heh. Here's hoping that you guys are willing to stick along for the ride or maybe I can bug one of you guys to do it yourselves since Zon and I have done the past few ToAru CRTs and somebody else should take up the burden as well, lel / s
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FantaRin_The_First said:
In essence, the rating for the High Tier is going to downscale to Misha's 5-C WWIII Sweep (and possibly scales fully to it) via Hyouka and Accelerator being able to tank it,
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They didn't tank the full thing, if we are talking about the Incomplete Sweep it had at least 20 million arrows, splitting that between two targets would end with 10 million arrows for each, plus there is a part of the arrows that hit the Star of Bethlehem iirc.

And the obvious fact that you can't hit a human body with 10 million arrow sized attacks, like, you just can't.

Also, we don't scale characters able to take multiple attacks at the same time to the sum of those attacks.




And question, which universe shaking feat are you referring to? Iirc Accel's only affect the galaxy, not the entire universe.
 
XDragnoir said:
I am currently reading through this and well...

Are the first sections just explaining the scaling and what a UES is? Like, you didn't need to put that much detail in the scaling part.

Meh, back to reading.
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XDragnoir said:
Was this entire section actually needed? Like, this is way more info than what was needed, it just makes the CRT bigger for no reason.
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Yes. It is to put into detail into everything without leaving any holes or anything outside of interpretation. That, and I don't have to bring it up later.

XDragnoir said:
They didn't tank the full thing, if we are talking about the Incomplete Sweep it had at least 20 million arrows, splitting that between two targets would end with 10 million arrows for each, plus there is a part of the arrows that hit the Star of Bethlehem iirc.

And the obvious fact that you can't hit a human body with 10 million arrow sized attacks, like, you just can't.

Also, we don't scale characters able to take multiple attacks at the same time to the sum of those attacks.




And question, which universe shaking feat are you referring to? Iirc Accel's only affect the galaxy, not the entire universe.
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I know that. That is partly the case, or more like... supporting evidence. There is still the fact that Acqua could absorb much of Misha's energy without issue and Misha could perform the incomplete sweep without any charge up time.

Oh. My bad. I might have mistaken universe for galaxy there.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
I know that. That is partly the case, or more like... supporting evidence. There is still the fact that Acqua could absorb much of Misha's energy without issue and Misha could perform the incomplete sweep without any charge up time.
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Hmm, supporting evidence for what exactly? The other 5C feat was done with Astro in Hand so it does not scale to physicals.

While trying to scale Misha to the Incomplete spell really doesn't work:

That supernatural phenomenon was the buildup to the even greater spell known as
Sweep that interfered with the movements of heavenly bodies, built up one’s own power,
and was enough to destroy the entire human race without moving a single fingertip.
That was a true angel’s spell. As such, it was clear what the being using it should be
called.
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The night sky sparkled.
He didn’t have time to see why.
Tens of millions of destructive stones began to rain down over an area about two
kilometers in radius.
Divine punishment, of the same nature as the power even he couldn’t fully reflect.
“?!”
He couldn’t react in time.
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The spell's whole deal is that it build's up the user's power and the version that was used against Accel isn't stated to be any different.

And it doesn't work for supportive evidence at all as i explained before and now there is this quote clearly saying the millions of attacks were spread over a massive area.

While Acqua's feat would be really good if these others actually worked to get 5C.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Thor's Profile Issues
  • In his range section, it only lists down his arc blades and only them; thus, ignoring the fact that Thor often opts for hand-to-hand combat as shown by his fights with Touma, and the existence of Almighty Thor that essentially has planetary range due to how it works.
  • He quite literally doesn't have a Lifting Strength section in his profile; thus, he needs this fix - "Unknown physically, far higher with Megingjord" to account for Thor's lack of LS showcasing and the impossibility of calcing his own LS feat. - granted, I suppose that is the issue of being a novel only character... Okay, the To Aru Gacha game does exist, but it still doesn't help.
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Agreed.
FantaRin_The_First said:
Marian's Profile Issues
  • Her keys, basically. She has three keys, to be exact. Her Third Key is when she was using a piece of equipment called Draupnir... Which she only used during NT10, which only had one direct mention or at least that is what I found with Ctrl-F, and its only usage was to make a sword. Easy fix since it isn't listed anywhere, so I think somebody just forgot to get rid of it. Her Second Key should just be combined with her first/base key as it is literally her with a sword that is on her person at all times (and can summon) and something she used extensively on her two notable fights (i.e, fights with Touma), barring her minor brief fight in NT4 like Maria and Shuri. Oh, also, affected by the upgrades, so her second key's High 8-C rating gotta go -('sides, it is vague and unsupported by anything)
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Agreed.
FantaRin_The_First said:
Touma's Profile Issues
  • We should add Touma's Dragon Heads key and Touma's Invisible Thing key to his base for a few reasons - number one, they are things that pop out of Touma once his right hand gets cut off (or once he realizes it has been cut off, due to NT22), number two, Touma can "summon" the thins that are beyond his right hand without losing it as shown by NT13 and can "control" the things that are beyond his right hand as shown by GT7, number 3, as suggested by the fact that Touma could summon more "things beyond his right hand" according to a Twitter text from an important person to the anime/manga there is nothing to suggest that Touma's Invisible Thing isn't just another summon (weirdly enough, the Dragon that showed up in OT2 might be the same "Invisible Thing" that showed up in OT22, NT4, and NT8; just that Touma's blood revealed its form), and number four... it removes entirely needless keys that are common attributed to his base key in the first place.
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Agreed, tho i wouldn't really try to actually apply this Dragons = IT line of thought (even tho i agree with it) given we don't really know the answer.

Also, The Invisible Thing still needs its durability to be upgraded to the same tier as its AP, so please add this to the OP.
FantaRin_The_First said:
Shiage's Profile Issues
  • Why does Shiage have keys for one-off pieces of tech that he only used once, can't ever get or use again ('cept the Power Lifter) and doesn't really offer anything new (due to my upgrades, ngl) or the like. Plus, they don't even fit the standard of standard equipment, which refers to a set of items that a character can be expected to have on hand at any time, or optional equipment, which encompass anything that the character has owned or made use of for an extended period of time, so it is just weird to have them listed on Shiage's profile and makes his profile a mess, tbh.
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Agreed, but i think they should be kept as optional equipment.
FantaRin_The_First said:
Shizuri's Profile Issues
  • It is an issue that revolves around a profile's keys again. Basically, she has three keys. But it isn't noted anywhere in her ratings like her attack potency rating or the like. So gotta fix that. Oh, and only her second key should have a higher with body crystal rating attached to it since it is the only point of Shizuri that she actually has that item (heh) on hand.
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Agreed
FantaRin_The_First said:
Etzali's Profile Issues
  • He has two other keys. Two keys that literally only existence because he picks up a powerful magic item after defeating a Magician on two separate occasions and likely keeps on-hand afterwards, so other than that... There is no difference from him in second/third key to himself in his first key, so... remove it to fix it by combining everything to his base, or smth.
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Agreed too.
FantaRin_The_First said:
Aleister's Profile Issues
  • His Ratings and Tierings in Attack Potency are a bit weird, so I wanna fix it with this - At Least 8-C, Possibly 8-B Physically, higher with Spiritual Tripping, At Least High 6-A, Possibly 5-C with Magic, 3-A with Big Bang Bomb, up to at least High 1-C with Blasting Rod - Ales-tan will be the same here - Aleister (SoG) will... am not entirely sure, tbh, will have to talk about it.
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While the discussion about 5C stats is still ongoing, you should add that Aleister is physically that high with Blood Sacrifice and then get rid of his 2nd key, it is totally useless.

His Son of God key should scale in AP and Dura to whatever the Nerfed MGs and Coronzon scale to and Mathers should scale to Aleister, they both are equals. (Mathers' stats would actually be a bit more detailed than that, his base form is Saint level while he later uses another Son of God spell to fight SoG Aleister)

Also, side note, Fiamma shouldn't be unknown physically, he should be 10B as he is just a normal human without the Holy Right.
 
Also, yet another profile that needs to be fixed.

It was agreed in the last few CRTs that Gabriel from AF and WW3 are the same, while its 6B feat is literally done by "WW3" Gabriel, it should all be in the same key, which gives a nice 6B feat for everyone to scale to.
 
XDragnoir said:
Agreed, tho i wouldn't really try to actually apply this Dragons = IT line of thought (even tho i agree with it) given we don't really know the answer.

Also, The Invisible Thing still needs its durability to be upgraded to the same tier as its AP, so please add this to the OP.
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Ye, I'll add 'em to the TLDR section and the profile fix section.
XDragnoir said:
Agreed, but i think they should be kept as optional equipment.
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Same as above. Should I do the thing I suggested to do with Doggo - I.e, make an optional equipment section in Hamazura profile, remove the keys, but still link 'em to their profile in the wiki?
XDragnoir said:
While the discussion about 5C stats is still ongoing, you should add that Aleister is physically that high with Blood Sacrifice and then get rid of his 2nd key, it is totally useless.

His Son of God key should scale in AP and Dura to whatever the Nerfed MGs and Coronzon scale to and Mathers should scale to Aleister, they both are equals. (Mathers' stats would actually be a bit more detailed than that, his base form is Saint level while he later uses another Son of God spell to fight SoG Aleister)

Also, side note, Fiamma shouldn't be unknown physically, he should be 10B as he is just a normal human without the Holy Right.
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Noted.

Ye, that sounds reasonable, and will add 'em to their correct sections.

Hm, really? He never really attacked physically without his Holy Right, hence, it is unknown - durability-wise, he did take a punch from Touma, some explosions from Othinus, and an extremely casual attack from High Priest - granted, Holy Right could've protected him there, but we did not get any confirmation; so it might be better to settle for unknown for Fiamma.

XDragnoir said:
Hmm, supporting evidence for what exactly? The other 5C feat was done with Astro in Hand so it does not scale to physicals.

While trying to scale Misha to the Incomplete spell really doesn't work:



The spell's whole deal is that it build's up the user's power and the version that was used against Accel isn't stated to be any different.

And it doesn't work for supportive evidence at all as i explained before and now there is this quote clearly saying the millions of attacks were spread over a massive area.

While Acqua's feat would be really good if these others actually worked to get 5C.
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And that is where the wonders of UES kick in - Astro in Hand and Sweep works via telesma/ley line energy/whatever energy source Misha runs on, Misha's entire being is composed of the stuff, and she attacks using the stuff. She is still gathering up and building up the energy within her body to perform her attacks, which isn't any different from how we use her to scale to others , ergo, there is nothing different from using the incomplete Sweep than her mountain vap statement or her telesma-infused wings.

The main thing is that she conjured up the energy to attack and not the millions of attacks that were spread over a massive area. Even then, we don't have to use the full 5-C value, we can use Acqua's 33% absorb of Misha' energy feat casually, which again is the stuff that allowed Misha to attack with the incomplete Sweep, to get a High 6-A value, which has a few other High 6-A values that can back it up.

That, and isn't Acqua passively getting "energy" from Misha/Gabriel at all times via Divine Mother's Mercy and has to constantly maintain that power to make sure that his Sainthood and DDM's power can co-exist with each other - but in-exchange, it is powering him up and whatnot... And there is that direct statement from Kaori that states she felt more power from him than from Misha.

XDragnoir said:
Also, yet another profile that needs to be fixed.

It was agreed in the last few CRTs that Gabriel from AF and WW3 are the same, while its 6B feat is literally done by "WW3" Gabriel, it should all be in the same key, which gives a nice 6B feat for everyone to scale to.
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Ye, will have to add this to my TLDR section. This will help with scaling, methinks.
 
I don't know To Aru much and therefore I cannot evaluate the CRT. I feel that every statements and feats should have a reference especially considering that the author of To Aru series is very hard-working.
 
Doggo said:
Aren't "Normal humans" of the verse now 8b? Fiamma should be city block physically
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At Least 8-C, Possibly 8-B as of this CRT. As I intent to downgrade 'em here to that level. It was At Least 8-B, Likely 8-A previously, for reminder's sake. Then again, I am starting to think to keep it as it in the face of Accelerator and Touma's "feats" from the high, top, and god tier people, and just give those two - and only those two - a likely far higher rating attached to 'em.
 
Doggo said:
Agree. Their feats are too consistent to be considered outliers.
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Ooh. Can you expand on this for a bit? Are you much more comfortable with the ratings from my last CRT (8-B, 8-A) and feel like we shouldn't change 'em (8-C, 8-B), and just add "far higher" to Accelerator and Touma? Or... Do you think their durability (and thus, AP, because of Touma punches) should be much higher, but any rating they get should have an At Most attached to 'em? Like, I did see a profile that has a character that has an At Most 7-A durability attached to 'em despite them being heavily hurt when thrown by another person despite canceling the impact with their legs - so it is making me wondering if this could be something Touma and Accelerator could've due to their various feats of being able to withstand shit from high tiers, top tiers, and god tiers.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Ooh. Can you expand on this for a bit? Are you much more comfortable with the ratings from my last CRT (8-B, 8-A) and feel like we shouldn't change 'em (8-C, 8-B), and just add "far higher" to Accelerator and Touma? Or... Do you think their durability (and thus, AP, because of Touma punches) should be much higher, but any rating they get should have an At Most attached to 'em? Like, I did see a profile that has a character that has an At Most 7-A durability attached to 'em despite them being heavily hurt when thrown by another person despite canceling the impact with their legs - so it is making me wondering if this could be something Touma and Accelerator could've due to their various feats of being able to withstand shit from high tiers, top tiers, and god tiers.
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I just simply find it hard to ignore their various high tier feats despite not making sense with the narrative. The later option seems fine.

Although does thst mean Touma has moon level punches? cause that sounds so funny
 
Doggo said:
I just simply find it hard to ignore their various high tier feats despite not making sense with the narrative. The later option seems fine.

Although does thst mean Touma has moon level punches? cause that sounds so funny
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To be fair, from my own memory, Touma, for the most part in either when the POV was on him or in his thoughts, is the one that constantly refers to himself as a "normal high-school boy one can find anywhere" - people who aren't Touma who call him that are either people who don't know him, people who belong to a powerful group and/or extremely powerful on their own right, or a mix of both.

At the very least, Kamachi was on some wild stuff to make some wild stuff, and I'm using it to upgrade Touma and Accelerator to high levels since they need to scale "somewhat" to the high tier feats since they weren't turned into a smoothie of liquefied meat and bones - among other things on that level of gore.

Idk, for now. Gotta wait for Noir, of course, to continue our thingy so we can come up with something.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
And that is where the wonders of UES kick in - Astro in Hand and Sweep works via telesma/ley line energy/whatever energy source Misha runs on, Misha's entire being is composed of the stuff, and she attacks using the stuff. She is still gathering up and building up the energy within her body to perform her attacks, which isn't any different from how we use her to scale to others , ergo, there is nothing different from using the incomplete Sweep than her mountain vap statement or her telesma-infused wings.
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Do you get that building up already means that it's not Misha's default level? That and the explanation already confirms that other than her energy there is also the movement of the stars being used to create the attack, the UES doesn't make it scale to physicals if there is nothing supporting it scaling.

Was Astro in Hand even stated to work via Telesma?
FantaRin_The_First said:
The main thing is that she conjured up the energy to attack and not the millions of attacks that were spread over a massive area. Even then, we don't have to use the full 5-C value, we can use Acqua's 33% absorb of Misha' energy feat casually, which again is the stuff that allowed Misha to attack with the incomplete Sweep, to get a High 6-A value, which has a few other High 6-A values that can back it up.
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What? Bro, the attack IS the millions of arrows and even the Incomplete version took some seconds to be created while Accel was talking with Hyouka.

And Acqua's feat is useless if you can't scale Sweep to Gabriel, it just doesn't help.
FantaRin_The_First said:
That, and isn't Acqua passively getting "energy" from Misha/Gabriel at all times via Divine Mother's Mercy and has to constantly maintain that power to make sure that his Sainthood and DDM's power can co-exist with each other - but in-exchange, it is powering him up and whatnot... And there is that direct statement from Kaori that states she felt more power from him than from Misha.
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Yes, but that again doesn't not scale him to 5C, H6A or whatever.

Both Acqua, the other God Right Seats and Carissa all have a connection with a True Archangel (which is even stronger than the Incomplete Gabriel, as they have 5B scaling) but that clearly does not make them 5B and barely makes them stronger than the Incomplete Gabriel.
 
XDragnoir said:
Was Astro in Hand even stated to work via Telesma?
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What else would it work with? Nothing else can be used, well, other than energy from the leylines like the GD folks, but well... Again, that is another energy source that is powering Misha, which in turn powers her attacks and spells, just like the GD folks, which circles back to my argument.

And we know the literal instant that Touma's parents' house went boom, Misha vanished and literally everything went back to normal. We also know that Misha can use Astro in Hand very casually, as she just just blinked to use it, there is text that implies she can use it as an attack, and the only reason she didn't is because she already casted Sweep (and Touma and Co was attempting to de-summon her as well without turning half of the planet into ashes) and Misha literally didn't give enough of a shit to stop their attempts since any outcome would lead to what she wants.

Even then, we can't ignore the fact that Acqua absorbed 33% of Gabriel's being/energy, which is made from telesma and supported by leyline energy, and could easily keep it within his body. So... so... We can use Acqua's 33% feat to give a Possibly rating via scaling him (and others downscaling from him) to Misha's casual Astro in Hand usage

XDragnoir said:
Do you get that building up already means that it's not Misha's default level? That and the explanation already confirms that other than her energy there is also the movement of the stars being used to create the attack, the UES doesn't make it scale to physicals if there is nothing supporting it scaling.

What? Bro, the attack IS the millions of arrows and even the Incomplete version took some seconds to be created while Accel was talking with Hyouka.

And Acqua's feat is useless if you can't scale Sweep to Gabriel, it just doesn't help.
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XDragnoir said:
Yes, but that again doesn't not scale him to 5C, H6A or whatever.

Both Acqua, the other God Right Seats and Carissa all have a connection with a True Archangel (which is even stronger than the Incomplete Gabriel, as they have 5B scaling) but that clearly does not make them 5B and barely makes them stronger than the Incomplete Gabriel.
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I concede defeat on the matter on the matter of High 6-A, Possibly 5-C due to you presenting evidence that it doesn't make sense to scale WWIII Sweep to Misha.

However, this isn't the end for upgrading the Top Tier people - as you said, WWIII Misha has that nice 6-B feat that everybody can scale to - but there is also the other 4 High 6-A feats for them to scale to, that don't require Acqua scaling to 33% of Misha's powers - So therefore, I propose the At Least High 6-A rating stays, but the possibly 5-C rating goes.
XDragnoir said:
Also, y'all are really trying to scale Touma to Saint Level or even above that?
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Yes. Because there are too many feats that can be brushed away, and claiming that the 15+ feats (and likely more) that on that level are PIS is equivalent of ignoring information that you don't like because it doesn't fit your POV. There is also the power of the "At Most", which signifies the upper end of one's capabilities and a rating that is used when a character heavily, and I mean heavily, downscales from the value that they use, therefore, whatever value Touma gets to scale to he will still be significantly lower than Top tier people - and there are other people in this wiki who has gotten an At Most (Tier Here) rating here in this for much less than what I am attempting here, so eh.
 
I'll need to come up with something for this. Hm.

For Joker/Low/Middle Tier People - At Least 8-C/8-B/8-A (honestly, I am getting more inclined to a pure 8-A rating in the face of this information for Touma and Accel), likely far higher | Touma/Accelerator - At Least 8-C/8-B/8-A, likely At Most (High tier rating), possibly higher or At Most (high tier rating), possibly higher
 
eliaspower1234 said:
change touma tier to At least High 1-A, likely 0 (exclusive to only him cuz hes him)
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Too early for that, mate. We are only in Vol. 54 (more or less), and from my own searches Kamachi plans for Index LN's volumes to surpass Guin Saga's, which has like 130 volumes or smth. So will probably get that sort of stuff around the 90s considering the current power-escalation that is going on in GT.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
I'll need to come up with something for this. Hm.

For Joker/Low/Middle Tier People - At Least 8-C/8-B/8-A (honestly, I am getting more inclined to a pure 8-A rating in the face of this information for Touma and Accel), likely far higher | Touma/Accelerator - At Least 8-C/8-B/8-A, likely At Most (High tier rating), possibly higher or At Most (high tier rating), possibly higher
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Seems reasonable. But a cripple and your average guy being this strong will always be funny
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Too early for that, mate. We are only in Vol. 54 (more or less), and from my own searches Kamachi plans for Index LN's volumes to surpass Guin Saga's, which has like 130 volumes or smth. So will probably get that sort of stuff around the 90s considering the current power-escalation that is going on in GT.
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Time to be old men ig
 
Doggo said:
Seems reasonable. But a cripple and your average guy being this strong will always be funny
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Power of anime, am I right!?

Doggo said:
Time to be old men ig
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Honestly, sometimes I wonder if Kamachi is human, considering the speed he has in making novels and the fact that he has written over a hundred novels and counting. Heck, I know several fam mems that were just kids when Kamachi released Vol. 1 and all of 'em are either senior high schoolers or a college students themselves.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
What else would it work with? Nothing else can be used, well, other than energy from the leylines like the GD folks, but well... Again, that is another energy source that is powering Misha, which in turn powers her attacks and spells, just like the GD folks, which circles back to my argument.

And we know the literal instant that Touma's parents' house went boom, Misha vanished and literally everything went back to normal. We also know that Misha can use Astro in Hand very casually, as she just just blinked to use it, there is text that implies she can use it as an attack, and the only reason she didn't is because she already casted Sweep (and Touma and Co was attempting to de-summon her as well without turning half of the planet into ashes) and Misha literally didn't give enough of a shit to stop their attempts since any outcome would lead to what she wants.

Even then, we can't ignore the fact that Acqua absorbed 33% of Gabriel's being/energy, which is made from telesma and supported by leyline energy, and could easily keep it within his body. So... so... We can use Acqua's 33% feat to give a Possibly rating via scaling him (and others downscaling from him) to Misha's casual Astro in Hand usage
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Now you're trying to get every single mid tier in the verse to solar system level...

Like, don't you see any problem with the strongest spell of a character being half-planet level when they are supposed to be solar system with every single punch?

Again, just because a verse has a UES doesn't mean you can scale absolutely every feat to everyone without having any support, that's not how it works, we'd have everyone in JJK at 5A by this point if we went by that route.

Also, there are other spells that are a more direct version of reality warping, Thor for example has a earth-exclusive version of Astro in Hand and it doesn't give him planet level stats, you know.
FantaRin_The_First said:
However, this isn't the end for upgrading the Top Tier people - as you said, WWIII Misha has that nice 6-B feat that everybody can scale to - but there is also the other 4 High 6-A feats for them to scale to, that don't require Acqua scaling to 33% of Misha's powers - So therefore, I propose the At Least High 6-A rating stays, but the possibly 5-C rating goes.
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Let me go through these 4 feats really quickly:

MGs' surface feat: doesn't scale to saint level

Fiamma's surface feat: you sure he'd destroy the whole surface and not just Eurasia?

Fiamma's ocean feat: doesn't scale to saint level

Aleister's feat: doesn't scale to saint level
FantaRin_The_First said:
Yes. Because there are too many feats that can be brushed away, and claiming that the 15+ feats (and likely more) that on that level are PIS is equivalent of ignoring information that you don't like because it doesn't fit your POV. There is also the power of the "At Most", which signifies the upper end of one's capabilities and a rating that is used when a character heavily, and I mean heavily, downscales from the value that they use, therefore, whatever value Touma gets to scale to he will still be significantly lower than Top tier people - and there are other people in this wiki who has gotten an At Most (Tier Here) rating here in this for much less than what I am attempting here, so eh.
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If you scale Touma to 5B, or whatever rating the MGs, Anna, etc end after this CRT, it will scale to literally everyone in the verse, from Kanzaki and Acqua to Terra and even Kihara Amata.

This really just doesn't work, you noted in the OP that Silvia turned him into a dark red mass and you still want to scale Touma to her level or even above? Do you at least know the difference between endurance and durability?
 
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