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Superman 2025 Revisions and DCU Verse Page creation

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Dalesean027 said:
3. The Black Hole isn't even exerting any kind of relevant force to any degree at the range they are at from it, its not like crushing the stone or warping the area where Superman is far away from it nor does it even threaten the other people there like Metamorpho or a literal baby. Its actually a legit nothingburger scenario where it looks more impressive than it actually is until you look objectively and see they ain't even close enough for it to actual be threatening outside of its more moderate pull at range.
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I think calcing the moderate pull could be something worthwhile. You could probably get somewhere to mountain level amount of force based on some preliminary calcs i did by guestimating sizes and distances.

If the main supporters don’t think its worth pursuing, I’ll drop it but I do want to actually take a crack at this since superman did try to counter act the force with his flight plus super breath.
 
I wonder how easy it'd be to calculate Kryptonite-poisoned Superman breaking the VR machine that was keeping Krypto incapacitated. I assume it wouldn't be higher than 9-B, but it's still one of Superman's most straightforward AP feats in that state, and would be relevant for helping scale the Raptors (and by extension, Mr. Terrific physically)
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
I think calcing the moderate pull could be something worthwhile. You could probably get somewhere to mountain level amount of force based on some preliminary calcs i did by guestimating sizes and distances.

If the main supporters don’t think its worth pursuing, I’ll drop it but I do want to actually take a crack at this since superman did try to counter act the force with his flight plus super breath.
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I won't stop you if you want to give it a gander but its just not that impressive you can visually see and calculate the strength of the gravitational effects at the range they are at we can see its not remotely affecting the environment or exerting any compressive or tensile forces to crush or rip them apart, its literally just experiencing some pull from where they are at. the display of force we see it exert from range which is entirely minimal outside of just pulling them in therefore Superman using his breath is only exceeding the minor pulling force they'd be experiencing from the range they are at (again its not destroying the ground or anything in the area)

You'd also in this case be arguing 7-A for every other characters there including Baby joey, the baby which is being held in front of Superman would passively be experiencing more force exerted on it than Superman who is behind it as its closer to the black hole since its being held in front of him (again all of this is negligible since they are all right by each other and would be experiencing relative force anyways)

There's just plenty of reasons why I personally don't think this works but you can still calc it and if others users and staff feel differently I won't hold ya back
 
Dalesean027 said:
I won't stop you if you want to give it a gander but its just not that impressive you can visually see and calculate the strength of the gravitational effects at the range they are at we can see its not remotely affecting the environment or exerting any compressive or tensile forces to crush or rip them apart, its literally just experiencing some pull from where they are at. the display of force we see it exert from range which is entirely minimal outside of just pulling them in therefore Superman using his breath is only exceeding the minor pulling force they'd be experiencing from the range they are at (again its not destroying the ground or anything in the area)

You'd also in this case be arguing 7-A for every other characters there including Baby joey, the baby which is being held in front of Superman would passively be experiencing more force exerted on it than Superman who is behind it as its closer to the black hole since its being held in front of him (again all of this is negligible since they are all right by each other and would be experiencing relative force anyways)

There's just plenty of reasons why I personally don't think this works but you can still calc it and if others users and staff feel differently I won't hold ya back
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What about the Anti-Proton river?
 
HenshinIntervention said:
I was wondering if you could've scaled that to like Island level or smth
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Nah it'd just be an antimatter hax resistance, I've spoken to other staff about it. It'd also be an outlier to scale it super high anyways since the raptors can also withstand it yet can be beaten by Mr. Terrific with Melee so its definitely just a hax resistance rather than a stat thing
 
I QUITE THINK THERE'S A LOWBALLING HERE AT SOME POINT AND AN OVERHIGHBALLING
Metamorpho only channel the elements needed like helium, hydrogen etc to help superman create a luminous light, he didn't even start the nuclear fusion process talk more of the force that was never expended
And superman using his super breath to force out the pull of a black hole while still weakened coupled with his size should very much put him at mountain level, and if he's at full power then island level probably
 
David_Ita said:
And superman using his super breath to force out the pull of a black hole while still weakened coupled with his size should very much put him at mountain level, and if he's at full power then island level probably
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Answer all of this then for one and two don't make an account just to accuse people of stuff without making any real argument or reading anything
Dalesean027 said:
The black hole is real but its not a feat at all

1. He's not even near the Black Hole even remotely and never even comes close to crossing its accretion disk or event horizon

2. He doesn't experience any significant gravitational effects associated with being close to Black Holes to actually even mean anything outside of just some moderate pull from it that's not even worth much.

3. The Black Hole isn't even exerting any kind of relevant force to any degree at the range they are at from it, its not like crushing the stone or warping the area where Superman is far away from it nor does it even threaten the other people there like Metamorpho or a literal baby. Its actually a legit nothingburger scenario where it looks more impressive than it actually is until you look objectively and see they ain't even close enough for it to actual be threatening outside of its more moderate pull at range.

All and all its not anything valid or worth calculation and is heavily misconstrued off site.
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Dalesean027 said:
I won't stop you if you want to give it a gander but its just not that impressive you can visually see and calculate the strength of the gravitational effects at the range they are at we can see its not remotely affecting the environment or exerting any compressive or tensile forces to crush or rip them apart, its literally just experiencing some pull from where they are at. the display of force we see it exert from range which is entirely minimal outside of just pulling them in therefore Superman using his breath is only exceeding the minor pulling force they'd be experiencing from the range they are at (again its not destroying the ground or anything in the area)

You'd also in this case be arguing 7-A for every other characters there including Baby joey, the baby which is being held in front of Superman would passively be experiencing more force exerted on it than Superman who is behind it as its closer to the black hole since its being held in front of him (again all of this is negligible since they are all right by each other and would be experiencing relative force anyways)

There's just plenty of reasons why I personally don't think this works but you can still calc it and if others users and staff feel differently I won't hold ya back
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Anyways
David_Ita said:
Metamorpho only channel the elements needed like helium, hydrogen etc to help superman create a luminous light, he didn't even start the nuclear fusion process talk more of the force that was never expended
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He added all the emements required for fusion and compressed them, this is what he even says he did to cause the reaction, there are multiple ends for this as well
 
Dalesean027 said:
Edit: We do also need to determine which end for Metamorpho's sun creation is best here as well
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In my view, I think that the DCU will eventually get to the point where the high-end assumption is validated, but right now, there's not a ton of supporting showings. I say leave it as a possibly or likely rating and then upgrade it based on what future movies give us. Sorta like how the DCEU is given two tiers and how everyone used to scale to either 6-C or High 6-C.

The rest of the profiles look really good and I'm fine with them all.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
In my view, I think that the DCU will eventually get to the point where the high-end assumption is validated, but right now, there's not a ton of supporting showings. I say leave it as a possibly or likely rating and then upgrade it based on what future movies give us. Sorta like how the DCEU is given two tiers and how everyone used to scale to either 6-C or High 6-C.

The rest of the profiles look really good and I'm fine with them all.
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Oh I don't think scaling Superman over metamorphos creation via chain reaction is valid much anyways just due to the method of creation, I moreso just meant it for exclusively which end we should use for a potential Metamorpho profile
 
Had to edit verse and Supes' sandboxes after these news. (wonder how Dale'll feel for losing MHS+ privileges when Carioca suggested a low-end before this)
 
Lacku said:
James Gunn just dropped a bombshell that the prequel novel along with any other book spinoffs of the DCU aren’t considered canon so that’ll unfortunately change our scaling dramatically
www.superherohype.com

DCU Movies Won’t Be Getting Canon Comic Tie-Ins, Here’s Why - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

James Gunn revealed why the DC Universe will not feature many comic tie-ins or novels that explore more of the blossoming DC Universe's canon.
www.superherohype.com www.superherohype.com
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Rex_Eckles said:
They still could fight the Kaju in the movie, wouldn't that warrant at least some 8-C to High 8-C scaling?
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No unfortunately they couldn't harm the Kaiju at all. Hawkgirl literally screams for Guy because she was getting "blinked to death" and needed help, Superman also mentions it's hide is tough which is why Mr. Terrific tells them to try and damage any weakspots but that didn't really work out too well


Mr. Terrfic's T-Sphere explosion was calculated to 9-B too and that was internal damage because they couldn't harm its outsides so nah
 
Dalesean027 said:
No unfortunately they couldn't harm the Kaiju at all. Hawkgirl literally screams for Guy because she was getting "blinked to death" and needed help, Superman also mentions it's hide is tough which is why Mr. Terrific tells them to try and damage any weakspots but that didn't really work out too well


Mr. Terrfic's T-Sphere explosion was calculated to 9-B too and that was internal damage because they couldn't harm its outsides so nah
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Oh well, at least Guy can get some LS from it.
 
I've made the necessary edits to Guy and Mr. Terrific, does someone have the Gunn statement about GL being able to give Superman a hard time if they fought?
 
FentyBeauty said:
i took out the novel stuff from the hawkgirl blog n her whole page looks so unseasoned now

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Dawg who you telling😭 but seriously revert the changes back real quick because I think she can still keep some level of air manip from her wins because when the justice gang arrived in jarhanpur and it cut to hawkgirl and Metamorpho flying in there were high winds so we me able to at least salvage that
 
Dalesean027 said:
Dawg who you telling😭 but seriously revert the changes back real quick because I think she can still keep some level of air manip from her wins because when the justice gang arrived in jarhanpur and it cut to hawkgirl and Metamorpho flying in there were high winds so we me able to at least salvage that
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Copyright, put it on imgur or something.
 
Dalesean027 said:
Thanks will update it

😭😭
Which?
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5.591121 Tons of TnT is cited for Terrific who you said was edited and Hawkgirl, who are both 9-B (Terrific is higher with the explosives, but you said earlier in the thread that it's not 8-B so I'm just assuming that's not supposed to be 5.59 tons). Also, you should probably link the values of the wall level feat they scale to, since the verse page has 5 9-B calcs.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
5.591121 Tons of TnT is cited for Terrific who you said was edited and Hawkgirl, who are both 9-B
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Ah just an oversight for that statistics value even though the tier was downgraded, good eye.
DragonZeroNova said:
Terrific is higher with the explosives, but you said earlier in the thread that it's not 8-B so I'm just assuming that's not supposed to be 5.59 tons)
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Yeah it has its own calc I was going to link when I could edit more
 
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