Upon Abliter using Skate Mode, Kaint would use his Fire Dragon to try and have it eat the lasers and try getting to Alb. Once it dissipates he’ll start using the environment to sneak up on Abliter. The room is full of pillars reaching to the roof and some floating platforms, so there are places for Kaint to slip and use his stealth. His surface scaling should also help for aerial attacks. And Kaint’s Stat Amps affect all speeds including movement, though they are temporary. I’d say he becomes double the speed with the dragon.
How much can it eat? Is it able to eat up a danmaku?
It can fit people in its mouth so it should be able to take at least 3 lasers I think before it dissolves.
Abliter would definitely be sending more than three, so kaint's attempt to get close would most likely end sooner than he'd like. Abliter doesn't have especially large danmaku capabilities, but they seem to be pretty good for this fight.
So the dragon unless it hits Alb is likely just getting a bit of his Danmaku to make things easier for Kaint.
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in what way are sleep and poison even remotely the same outside of both being status effects? One inflicts sick feelings/passive damage while the other just makes you sleep. In Pokemon (an easy example) they’re very different, I don’t see how there’s enough overlap between them for Kaint to somehow resist something which has zero poisonous affiliation. Being trained to endure poisons (which is exactly what is written to justify his resistance) would not exactly equal having the ability to resist something which will force you into a state of sleeping, I just can’t justify it in my mind. But I can see it as a justification for why he possibly has higher endurance when it comes to gas-based status inducing moves like Pluto Gas, but again no poison is involved there
Abliter’s sleep inducement is done by a gas which means it’s putting something in the body which shouldn’t be there to disable it like what poison does. On Sleep Manip’s page it’s said that it can be achieved through poison. They’re just doing different things but in the same way.What
And then another thought arises, does this mean that he’d resist Pluto Wave as well just by resisting paralysis inducement? A side effect of the move would naturally be paralysis, but that’s because of the way it interferes with an enemy’s brain signals, preventing them from even thinking to move around (technically, paralysis inducement) but it does this through sound manipulation and isn’t paralysis explicitly. I think he’d have to be shown to resist that specific kind of paralysis (brain signal interference through sound waves) and I don’t believe he does
I feel obliteration mines combined with danmaku and such ought to be big enough and distracting enough to buy enough time for Abliter to be granted a decent amount of energy. If Kaint can only absorb three lasers before the dragon is gone, he’s gonna have many dozen still on his tail like right after that and that doesn’t even account for obliteration mines. Even if it’s just like ten seconds, each robot would be blasting him with a hundred or so High 7-C blasts in each of the seconds, which adds up. Even assuming the scanners are all baseline (and they’re definitely over), that would be 400 kilotons every second, which adds to 4 megatons after the ten seconds. All of a sudden Abliter’s base moves are all equal in potency to his megalaser at that point (would be 6.4 megatons, so actually stronger). Since the strength boost is proportional for all of Abliter’s stats, Pluto megalaser would then be 16 megatons strong (megalaser would be 2.5 times Abliter’s base of 6.4), much stronger than Kaint’s fire dragon AP. 6.4 megatons would also give Abliter an advantage overall over the 4.62 Kaint has and basically flip the script there. Even if scanners are then destroyed, the extra energy wouldn’t go anywhere any time soon
I can see that explanation then, sounds good but it just caught me off guard is all
Pluto Wave would be pretty harmful.I can see that explanation then, sounds good but it just caught me off guard is all
Even with immense pain tolerance Pluto Wave would be pretty effective, but it does have the ability to go through force-fields, at least those used by the battlesuits of Fly and Vulcan which I believe would be pretty similar to Ki if that's what Kaint would use for a barrier, so I think Albiter would have a good shot landing that and using it effectively
Abliter could get pretty far pretty quickly, I imagine the smoke from the mines and all the debris falling and everything would block out the light of fire and buy Abliter that time. Even five seconds would at least even the AP out but his durability and speed would also be higher, even without his endurance system and skate mode. After using the mines, Albiter would have the scanners show up and demand the energy, which could take a second or so of the absorbing time away. To fix that, Abliter could blast all around with lasers and more mines to create noisy explosions across the battlefield to attempt to confuse Kaint on where he actually is. Through the mines smokescreen, it's entirely possible that he could alter the direction he's skating in. Since Kain doesn't have precog he'd have to be able to deduce where Abliter is the old fashioned way which could also take long enough for Alb to be boosted enough. Abliter's explosions would be louder than the absorbing process so he might have a difficult time finding them
Abliter would be shooting blasts out from his hidden location which would then curve into the ground a significant distance away, creating explosive sounds all around which could throw him off. Abliter firing the blasts on its own isn’t that noisy so having the blasts fly through the air, also without much noise, and then crash down for a very loud noise multiple times would work I think
I think it would at least work well enough for Abliter to basically equalize the AP, which would only take 4-5 seconds of non-stop spam if I remember the math right. Since it’s a blanket increase Abliter would also be faster even without skate mode but Kaint does have the stat amps which likely keeps them basically even anyway, but if he continues in skate mode he’ll be much faster. What might happen if Abliter then attempts to use superior speed and Pluto Slasher, getting in close for his own insta-kill type attack? Can Kaint react to someone much faster?
Using the 400 kilotons per second, 5 seconds would give 2 megatons so they would practically be equal. Kaint would have physicals while Megalaser is above him. For reacting to someone faster, Kaint has managed to catch Cinner off guard plenty of times who could block several of his attacks and of course is more naturally acrobatic. And of course he’s the better trained fighter in close quarters/swordsmanship with his Katana and claws if he needs to use them. He was able to stab Cinner several times while also making sure not to hit anywhere he couldn’t heal properly like the lungs or heart. Both would be trying to kill the other, though Kaint’s AP and seemingly 1.6x LS advantage using the value you gave me for Ako and Mid End Supreme Duelist Cinner would give him the edge. Fiery Spiral up close or Crashing Feast could kill Ako since he’ll be impaled through vital spots.
Abliter still has Mid-Low regen and feats of recovering large gashes in his body, and as a machine he wouldn't be as susceptible to being crippled by certain parts being damaged or destroyed like a human would be so I think he could still fight unless we're talking like large holes in those vital spots.
That’s true but Kaint’s strategy consists of trying to impale/cut vital spots like the chest or throat, so Abliter would have to dodge well for his regeneration to really come into play. It takes High-Low to cover even minor organ damage and lost limbs which while Alb could survive without them, would severely hinder him. Taking this to melee seems like it would be his downfall against a more experienced and skilled fighter who’s equally as ruthless.
Abliter is able to skillfully dodge attacks from Vulcan and Fly even before Skate Mode, even though Fly is slightly faster (did not dodge everything though, and his base speed is faster than Vulcan). Fly's battlesuit consists of blade attacks and danmaku, as does Vulcan, so I think having proven feats of dodging two enemies with swords and good powers of their own will help him avoid attacks that can overcome regen. He can also fight them both off at once with his Pluto Slasher so it's not like he's a slouch
I see, but Kaint still seems to have good odds of landing a fatal blow with his precision. He can hit points of the body with extreme accuracy, considering he completely avoided the vital organs in his days of training Cinner. That plus Cinner’s own feats of blocking sniper rounds which were just a bit thicker than a normal laser would be should give Kaint good enough scaling and feats to catch Abliter with enough time. He’s good at scheming clever ways to land hits in the midst of a fight like coming from behind with the dragon as mentioned. That and him having a forcefield which on first go would throw Abliter’s attempts at melee off and give a chance for Kaint to take advantage of the surprise. And there’s still the skill argument since although Alb fought two sword wielders, they don’t seem to have as solid scaling as Kaint with his training, prodigy status, combat experience, and accelerated development.
The way it’s charged looks different from other lasers, and as it comes from his cannon he can’t use much lasers during its charge time (only laser shots from his eye, much less efficient than with the cannon but it doesn’t block his vision to do it). I think Kaint would be able to dodge it but Abliter is good at planning too, so he could find a way
Oh so it’s not an AOE move. I was under that impression. The scanner clarification helps too. It seems like Pluto Wave is the worse case scenario for Kaint but like said he could potentially dodge if a forcefield doesn’t work. I’m leaning Kaint for his skill and experience edge plus AP and LS since it seems Alb can just equalize them at best with the Scanners. Alb does have speed but it shouldn’t give him too much of an edge when Kaint can play around him with the dragon and has a good guard with his forcefield.
Yeah it’s not AOE, but it is larger than his lasers, think of it as taking up all of Abliter’s front side for about twice his height and a bit of the right and left directions for a limited range, difficult to avoid and does phase through regular barriers but it blocks Abliter from doing anything else with his cannon while it’s active
I think I get it now.
Alright, I see, but there’s at least one more thing I haven’t brought up yet and that is that Abliter is able to shoot off his energy sword like a spike towards his enemy, afterwards he can resummon one in his cannon. How might something like that affect the melee fighting? Also, what if he slipped an obliteration mine in every now and then? The speed advantage could help him greatly if he’s close enough to shoot his sword out or get away from his own mines
Kaint should be able to block the blade if it’s launched since he’s precise and strong enough. He fought Gardner who was throwing potions at him and making shockwaves so projectiles aren’t new. Also fighting Cinner when he was using the katana/dragon. And can Abliter tank his own mines? It sounds risky to just keep firing them out while also trying to stay close to Kaint. Maybe he could escape with his skates but I wouldn’t bet on it and mines could be stopped with the dragon as well. Since Kaint is more durable he could take more of them than Alb, making that option more of a risk for Albiter.
But the blade still has its slashing/sharp properties, what method would be used to block it? It’s not the same as a shockwave because this projectile would be attempting to stab straight through. Abliter would be harmed by his own mines put getting caught in a couple of them wouldn’t end him on the spot but it would be a hindrance (he attempts to back off after using them for a reason). Something not brought up yet is Endurance System, which would allow Abliter to be able to tank his own mines relatively well but not unscathed, the problem for him then being that he’d have to sacrifice the speed advantage from skate mode to keep endurance system active. Endurance system is able to allow him to handle attacks which would normally be able to override his regen so it’s likely worth sacrificing the skate mode speed, especially given the scanners boosts make him faster than Kaint anyway. It would be a lot harder for Kaint to find those fatal openings as long as Endurance System is active
The katana would block it. And for the Endurance System, Kaint should be able to eventually catch Alb since he’ll still be slower than before and he has good acrobatics and the dragon to use. His claws haven’t come into play, so he could surprise Alb with those, doing a quick slash at the neck when it seems he’ll use his katana. The mines could still be stopped with the dragon too so it’ll be hard for Alb to find a way to deal big damage to Kaint.
Sure he could catch him but Abliter is still a bit faster and slashing attacks won’t do nearly as well, not only because of the raised defense but the little aura he gets around himself while it’s active which sort of acts like a second armor layering. He’s able to tank his mines rather well like this so he can go for more risky maneuvers and I think he can abuse the mines and his endurance system to go for a different type of strategy with Pluto Megalaser. Kaint can’t sense where he is exactly so if he is masked by the smoke produced by ten obliteration mines there could be a good opening there, likely worth the damage he’d cause himself which he’d likely be able to regen thanks to endurance. It wouldn’t one shot but he’d have the advantage if he landed a shot that strong. Plus how big is dragon? Importation mines explosions are able to extend into the sky and split clouds, I don’t think it’s established that it can block a force/shockwave that big even if it can block the power of it
That’s true but the Dragon should still be hotter than what Alb is stated to resist so that landing at any point will be bad when added to the cutting. And it also helps Kaint in the range game since he can use it without necessarily engaging close range. Him being able to survive Megalaser even with the amps also greatly helps his case.
Well, would it be High-Flyer vs Base Abliter, I could see Abliter getting outbeat before minutes, but against Kaint it strongly varies. He doesn't seem to have strong hax, but on the other hand, he has good evading techniques to last a good time, while Abl seems to have better battlefield control (the mines namely) and strong perks to get through (skate mode + Endurance system). It doesn't help that I know Kaint just barely.
Basically all you need to know about him combat wise is that he has good fire manipulation (should be close to 3000 degrees) with amps included, the basic ki abilities like forcefields and aura, great weapon skill, and a very deductive mind. He’s good at formulating plans against people with better stats than him
