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Teen Titans (2003) Revisions

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Attack Potency/Durability
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arrogant_Schmuck/Teen_Titans:_Cyborg's_Up_to_Bat

This should scale to

Cyborg
Attack Potency: Small Town level (Swung a large building like a baseball bat)

Durability: Small Town level (Should have comparable durability to his striking strength. Took hits from an exact clone of himself)

Starfire
Attack Potency: Small Town level (Consistently shown to be comparable in physical strength to Cyborg. Fought Blackfire, her older sister, to whom she should be comparable)

Durability: Small Town level (Endured fighting her older sister as well as an exact clone of herself. Should have comparable durability to her striking strength. Took hits from Cyborg while he was being controlled by the Puppet King)

Beast Boy
Attack Potency: Small Town level (Defeated an exact clone of Starfire)

Durability: Small Town level (Endured fighting an exact clone of himself)

In case anyone is wondering, the real deals were blatantly having trouble fighting their clones, meaning they were either exact clones or possibly even stronger.

Speed
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Arrogant_Schmuck/Teen_Titans:_Starfire's_Flight_Speed

This should scale to Starfire's flight speed and reactions since she kept up with her clone and her own sister. I can't recall if anyone else has managed to keep up with her

Starfire
Speed: Relativistic (Flew a great distance into space in a short timeframe. Kept up with her clone and her own sister)

More Feats/Statements
Here is a montage of three more light speed statements/feats

https://youtu.be/AFoCijTz2cs

The first is Starfire's very first line in the series in which she tells Robin the secret to traveling FTL.

The second is Blackfire (Starfire's older sister to whom she ought to be comparable) telling the Titans about how she escaped a black hole while on her way to Earth from their home planet. It's possible she made this up considering how arrogant she is, but Star then confirms that the route she claims to have taken is full of black holes so... take all that how you will.

The third and final thing is Starfire flying from a spaceship to Earth in a few seconds

Lifting Strength
As mentioned in the Cyborg calc, his lifting strength should be Class G.

Cyborg
Lifting Strength: Class G (Lifted and swung a large building)

Starfire
Lifting Strength: Class G (Should be comparable to Cyborg)

Missing Abilities

Cyborg
Energy Manipulation: His Sonic Arm Cannon

Sound Manipulation: What he said^

Weapon Mastery: Ditto

Martial Arts: He's repeatedly shown his prowess in hand-to-hand

Homing Attack: He can detach his arms and control them remotely, as well as homing missiles

Willpower Manipulation: Can't recall exactly where this was demonstrated but Cal said he should have it

Genius Intelligence: The TT Wiki sums it up pretty well-- Cyborg is an expert in the fields of mechanical engineering, robotics, physics and computer science. In addition to maintaining his own cybernetic systems, Cyborg is in charge of the technology within Titan's Tower, such as their security, analytic and electrical systems. He also invented his own specialized vehicle, which he dubbed the "T-car".

Cyborgization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ritZxM_uejA

Resistance to Mind Manipulation: A huge point throughout season 3 and especially in the season finale, Titans East, was how Brother Blood was unable to break Cyborg's mind and take control of him, like he did with everyone else, no matter how hard he tried.

Starfire
Heat Vision: Couldn't think of a specific episode but I know she has it. Also https://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Laser_Vision#Known_Users

Resistance to Radiation Manipulation: In the episode Snowblind she stops a beam of radiation with her bare hands then remarks that radiation cannot hurt her kind, and Starfire's not really one to lie or brag. Towards the end of the episode she carries Red Star, who is overflowing with radiation, into space where he explodes and again she's completely unfazed.

Martial Arts: Same as with Cyborg

Beast Boy
Enhanced Senses: He turns into a wolf or various other canines whenever they need to track someone or something down.

Poison Manipulation: He can turn into a jellyfish, snake, bee, etc.

Resistance to Extreme Temperatures: When they're in the Arctic he turns into a polar bear or a walrus, when they're in the desert he'll turn into a camel, etc.

Berserk Mode: In The Beast Withi he turns into a Werebeast with enhanced physical stats, but at the cost of higher cognitive functions.

Martial Arts: Same as with Cyborg

Overall Consistency
Cyborg swinging a building = 3.5 kilotons

Raven holding up Titans Tower = 3.7 kilotons

Kid Flash running around the world (which scales to Raven) = 0.18c

Starfire's space flight = 0.17c
 
Starfire and Cyborg's stuff looks good, just note that Starfire's been shown to be stronger than Cyborg, at least in terms of lifting. Beast boy I'm not so sure about, since he caught the clone off guard then pushed a slab of rock on top it to crush it, which doesn't seem like it would scale to his AP.
 
Pretty sure he wouldn't just be punctured like that. She's still very light regardless of her strength, and a dinosaur is very heavy. She didn't seem to have time to try to hit him away or anything, so regardless of whether or not she would have gotten hurt, she can still be knocked back and stuff. This is the issue that I have with using people staggering and launching others as reasons to scale, as their AP doesn't make them weigh any more.
 
Wokistan said:
a dinosaur is very heavy.
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Heavier than Class G? I doubt it.

She didn't seem to have time to try to hit him away or anything

So a dinosaur falling is faster than Relativistic?

In any case, I'll wait for more people's input, specifically Cal's.
 
You can also see that the Best Buy clone, who's presumably comparable to or superior to real best boy, couldn't harm Cyborg even with an actual attack. Cyborg is comparable to or inferior to Starfire. Beast Boy's victory over Starfire clone scaling him would result in a circle of scaling.
 
Considering that she didn't just catch him and throw him, or get up, it would indicate that she didn't react to Beast Boy dropping in like that and was unable to just throw him off. If you're knocked off balance like that, lifting from there is a totally different lift first of all, and you'd also be somewhat disoriented from it.
 
Also note that you can break an opponent's balance with inferior lifting strength.
 
Doesn't Cyborg have a remote controlled arm that he can use to home in on targets? I'm pretty sure his homing attack is based off that.
 
Also that slab of rock doesn't exactly seem class G either, so if one discounts Beast Boy's dinosaur thing the kill method doesn't make much sense either, and as such the fight falls into the realm of PIS.
 
Yeah, there's the arm and homing missiles IIRC.
 
Also there's no proof for Cyborg being a Cyborg

Would it be worth calcing Red Star's explosion? Something being that luminous may be above low 7-C.
 
Bluetrekking said:
Iirc, Blackfire stated she escaped a black hole and she can travel to different star systems in short timespans.
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If you look at the Starfire calc blog I included a montage of clips like this. They're statements only and Blackfire's pretty arrogant, though.

I'll add the video to the OP

Edit: Added.
 
Wokistan said:
Would it be worth calcing Red Star's explosion? Something being that luminous may be above low 7-C.
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I feel like that may be getting into outlier territory, plus she was at the outer edge of it.

Plus plus the reason she was able to survive it may be because she's resistant to radiation.
 
You ask people to come to the thread?
 
Seems fine.

Though unless Beast Boy has other feats on that level, it may be considered an outlier for the reasons Wok mentioned. Does he ever fight Cyborg level enemies in animal forms?
 
Didn't Starfire has some 5-B feat somewhere tho?

We should also mention that Beast Boy from 2003 can also turn into aliens by the way
 
Yeah, noting that he can figure out how to transform into new forms that he's previously unfamiliar with actually helps him out quite a bit.
 
CursedGentleman said:
Didn't Starfire has some 5-B feat somewhere tho?
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She survived an explosion bigger than planets (but perspective is pretty bad), but it's a pretty big outlier.
 
But his reasoning for 8-C is for harming Cyborg, who is also getting upgraded to low 7-C so...

Yeah, Slade also gets an upgrade from this thread guys
 
Well if the current justification is disregarded, then it's a downgrade.

Aqualad destroyed a rock bigger than a whale at one point. Not sure if BB or Robin scales to him though.
 
Didn't Aqualad and BB fought against a character who was fighting them both?

You know, that guy who created a bunch of clones and shit?
 
In the episode The Beast Withi, Adonis was wrecking the Teen Titans until BB got pissed and stomped him.

In Aftershock Pt. 2, BB clearly scales to Terra.

In Winner Takes All, BB fights Wildebeest, who can hard Madame Rouge, who's pretty much a top tier.

In the movie Trouble in Tokyo, he can beat Brushogun's creations.

In the episode Nevermore (at least I think it was that episode), he could harm Raven's mental projection of Trigon.
 
Robin harmed plasmus with his discus, I don't remember BB tho

But I remember that he did something to a part of plasmus because that was literally the premise of divide and conquer (The episode in which Plasmus first appear)
 
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