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The Backrooms General Discussion Thread
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Unkn0wnAether
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oh we're trying this again i see-
CanineAnnoyer
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Do you think that there is a greater chance now for a proposal for the wikis to be added to VSBW passing than the last attempt?
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Why do you think that?
CanineAnnoyer
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It has been almost an year, I was just wondering.
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Well, someone needs bring a very convincing argument in order for that to happen.
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there’s no reason not to add when scp is on here too, like i can see shit like Backrooms free writing wiki obviously be prohibited but wikidot & liminal archives even fandom have decent quality check and everything
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There also is another smaller collaborative fiction site on here, so we know that VSBW would accept other sites if the standards are deemed good enough.
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So, even an scp knockoff is here.
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The Backrooms now has a verse page on Alt Battles Wiki.
Profiles will come soon.
Profiles will come soon.
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The Backrooms now has several pages on Alt Battles Wiki, including one that is Tier 0
Note that they use the new tiering system
Note that they use the new tiering system
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cool
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Why is Level 404's durability somewhat different from its potency?
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Thanks for the response. I was confused about that for a while.
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Also, you said in one of your comments that The Red Knight was Tier 0 in one of his keys. I've been making a profile for him, so could you elaborate?
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Do you have a source that I can add to the profile?
Also, on a somewhat unrelated note, how do you all make sure you've collected all the data you can for a page? Do you just use backlinks a lot?
Also, on a somewhat unrelated note, how do you all make sure you've collected all the data you can for a page? Do you just use backlinks a lot?
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Ah, I see. Thank you.
If I'm understanding the source correctly, Jaga'dain is the pillar and Claudius/The Knight is the avatar. What would this (And Phenomenon 10) mean for his profile?
If I'm understanding the source correctly, Jaga'dain is the pillar and Claudius/The Knight is the avatar. What would this (And Phenomenon 10) mean for his profile?
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Are you sure? Jaga'dain seems pretty disconnected from The Knight, and keys are usually used to show a different version of the same character, not a different character entirely. Also, Jaga'dain has Shani as an avatar as well, so if we were to make a profile for her in the future while following this idea, there would technically be two profiles for Jaga'dain.
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read the pillar scripture again. avatars are an indirect influence of the pillars. its specifically mentioned to be their higher self, their oversoul, them
shani would just have their own profile and a tier 0 key
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Phenomenon 10 states that some pillars and their avatars lack a direct connection altogether. While The Key(heh)masters may have that kind of connection with their pillar, The Red Knight may not.
Yeah, but her Tier 0 key would be the exact same character as The Knight's Tier 0 key. We would be making two profiles that have identical keys/characters on them. If The Red Knight and Shani were put in a versus thread against or alongside each other, there would be two of the same entity in one fight. (But to be fully transparent for a moment, you could argue this to be a slippery slope fallacy. Personally, I believe that even if it is a fallacy, it still points out how confusing it could get if we follow this principle for other profiles.)
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the keymasters arent a direct manifestation of their pillar
just the tier 0, the rest is different and keep in mind every pillar has the same stats and justifications so making a page purely for a pillar and nothing else it will jsut be redundant esp when theres a page for ''the pillars'' already (i will modify terminus page to include level theta, pillar scribe and its direct manifestation later prob)
they just have the same tier 0 key and u cant use that key for a fight anyway tier 0s cant be used in vs
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Okay, but that's not my point. I'm saying that The Red Knight isn't directly tied to Jaga'dain, at least not in a way that would warrant putting them as a separate key for The Knight, as that would imply that Jaga'dain is, in some way, a version of The Knight, when they seem mostly disconnected.
I was thinking it'd better not to give Jaga'dain a profile at all unless they're proven to have some deeper relevance. Also, if you believe that making another profile for one of The Pillars is irrelevant, why do you want The Knight to have a key that is just another one of The Pillars?
If your argument is that Shani and The Red Knight are both being directly controlled by Jaga'dain like little goobers in a video game and thus they should have separate profiles that each have Jaga'dain in one of the keys, then even if we used their regular keys for a thread, they would both still be controlled by two separate Jaga'dains. (Which I suppose you could philosophically argue to be one and the same Jaga'dain? My point is, having one character appear on two profiles is very unconventional and may get confusing.)
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the keymasters not being direct manifestations is relevant cuz again kei is stated to be their << higher self >> the same logic follows for all the other avatars, they all have a connection to the ultimate reality
cuz of his connection to the pillar along with the other things i said above
no theyre not directly controlled for the red knight and shani afaik, they operate independently
both their tier 0 keys are the same entity yes
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Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that The Red Knight and Jaga'dain don't have a connection significant enough to warrant them sharing a profile. Normally, keys are used to show different versions of the same character. Jaga'dain is, as far as I am aware, an entirely separate character from The Knight who happens to give him some abilities. Therefore, giving him a key on The Red Knight's profile would be irregular.
Okay, so we agree on this point.
Wouldn't having two profiles with the same character be confusing?
And on an unrelated note, why do the Partygoers have acausality?
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jaga'dain is a different version of the red knight, it's its << higher self >>, and the red knight is its avatar
not if its a tier 0 kind of thing
cuz of time shenanigans in the backrooms tho i might have to remove that
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Do you have any proof that Jaga'dain and The Knight are two versions of the same character beyond their connection as pillar and avatar?
How so?
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I have made a blog for the Red Knight. If you have any concerns with the profile, I suggest you tell me soon, as otherwise we'll need a CRT to fix them.
Also, what quotes should we use? And should we name the official profile "Entity 71" or "The Red Knight?" I prefer the latter, as he's hardly ever referred to as Entity 71.
Also, what quotes should we use? And should we name the official profile "Entity 71" or "The Red Knight?" I prefer the latter, as he's hardly ever referred to as Entity 71.
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it should be entity 71
red knight should be High 8-C for being comparable to the keymaster who can tank black lightning
the sparks kicking up thing actually makes him hypersonic, so it should be like Superhuman, Hypersonic combat speed and reactions
you can use this quote:
theyre also immeasurable speed
red knight should be High 8-C for being comparable to the keymaster who can tank black lightning
the sparks kicking up thing actually makes him hypersonic, so it should be like Superhuman, Hypersonic combat speed and reactions
you can use this quote:
claudius is Low 1-A since hes an ancient god and ancient gods like gudang, claudius, etc. had powers beyond comprehension, with the universe being a mere playground to them
theyre also immeasurable speed
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Fair enough, I can respect adhering to the naming scheme.
Regular real-life people have survived getting hit by lightning before, so scaling the Keymaster to the full force of black lightning seems a bit inaccurate. If there are some supporting feats for that rating, then I'd be fine with using it.
Assuming you're getting that information from this article, it's worth mentioning that's the speed required to cremate your body, which requires higher temperatures (Around 1,500°C/2732°F) than the speed required to make iron glow red (460°C/900°F [This is from Wikipedia and has no reference, so take it with a pinch of salt]). Also, that's the speed required to heat up via air compression. Considering it's only his boots which are stated to glow red, it seems to be friction with the ground that's making them hot, which is a different ballpark, hence the current speed rating.
Thank you.
I don't think this statement alone would be enough to scale all of the ancient gods to the Blue Channel, but it can be supporting evidence for his current rating.
Source?
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I believe the article canon key would be 2-C and the extended canon key would be High 1-B, likely Low 1-A, as the heavy implication is that it resets the entirety of the Backrooms, which would include levels with that rating and possibly the Blue Channel. (It should also probably be classified as environmental destruction.)
