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As a serious answer: I don't believe the House of Ideas' claim to 1-A or higher is invalidated, no. I'm tired as shit right now, though, so more in-depth explanation ought to come later. (Hopefully you people at least realize that the "It's a building in Connecticut" point is really damn stupid, though)
I am actually quite interested in how SMT will be fare. They have a lot of different things to pull from. I am wondering which reasoning will be considered which tier.
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It's more on the matter that it was accessed through a location in the lower world. Something that would be a disqualifier for 1-A for other series if there weren't other evidence to explain why that doesn't matter? (correction, the house is in long island).Hopefully you people at least realize that the "It's a building in Connecticut" point is really damn stupid, though
No, that is actually a good point. A realm that is not made out of lower things, and cannot be contained within any amount of dimensions of space and time, should not be able to lie on an ordinary 3-D Earth.As a serious answer: I don't believe the House of Ideas' claim to 1-A or higher is invalidated, no. I'm tired as shit right now, though, so more in-depth explanation ought to come later. (Hopefully you people at least realize that the "It's a building in Connecticut" point is really damn stupid, though)
That's not actually the argument. The point is less that and more "The building on Earth is a gateway to the higher realm and not the higher realm in-and-of-itself." If it actually was the whole realm somehow circumscribed inside of ordinary space, though, I obviously would agree.No, that is actually a good point. A realm that is not made out of lower things, and cannot be contained within any amount of dimensions of space and time, should not be able to lie on an ordinary 3-D Earth.
How the hell can you argue 1-A to be ontologically transcendent to typical mathematics, but not consider blatant things like that to be contradictions?
Not exactly. The point about the inaccessibility of 1-A is that the processes of the lesser world can't arrange themselves in a way that they add up to something that breaches into the 1-A layer of reality. There's nothing particularly wrong with there being a gateway to a 1-A realm that's been inserted by a higher being, and otherwise is not actually the structure of the realm itself.It's more on the matter that it was accessed through a location in the lower world. Something that would be a disqualifier for 1-A for other series if there weren't other evidence to explain why that doesn't matter? (correction, the house is in long island).
I'd still want to be quite careful with that. It couldn't actually be a direct portal, where some process on the lower layer can transport people to the higher layer. It would have to be a point that something on a higher layer arbitrarily selects to teleport people from.That's not actually the argument. The point is less that and more "The building on Earth is a gateway to the higher realm and not the higher realm in-and-of-itself." If it actually was the whole realm somehow circumscribed inside of ordinary space, though, I obviously would agree.
Eh, I don't think that part's too big. A higher entity could just grant and revoke that.The point of concern, I believe, would not actually be this. It would be "How do the characters appear to have actual presence and influence inside this 1-A reality?", which is a way better mode of attack and the thing that draws out real concern, imo.
Wouldn't that just be Tier 1-A potential?No, that is actually a good point. A realm that is not made out of lower things, and cannot be contained within any amount of dimensions of space and time, should not be able to lie on an ordinary 3-D Earth.
How the hell can you argue 1-A to be ontologically transcendent to typical mathematics, but not consider blatant things like that to be contradictions?
Catch me up to speed on this, Agnaa.The one High 1-A+ limit per series has been removed.
True. If there's a fight going on outside of the portal and somehow earthquakes from the outside are felt on the inside, for example, that's problematic. (Though it can be chalked up to PIS depending on how adamant the verse otherwise is about the realm's transcendence and the potential fewness of wacky scenarios like this)I'd still want to be quite careful with that. It couldn't actually be a direct portal, where some process on the lower layer can transport people to the higher layer. It would have to be a point that something on a higher layer arbitrarily selects to teleport people from.
And, generally, making sure that such an explanation is actually consistent with events (i.e. the interior shouldn't be noticeably affected by exterior events, characters with 3-D scale cosmic awareness shouldn't be able to see into it, etc.)
Jesse what the **** are you talking about.Wouldn't that just be Tier 1-A potential?
I mean...The authors were friendsI think Narnia deserves 0, if Tolkien's verse is getting Eru to 0. Yes, I understand that the latter has a better mention of where Eru scales, but the point remains that the two verses are quite similar just within their own settings.
Read some of Ultima's recent big posts in the tier 0 thread.Catch me up to speed on this, Agnaa.
That too, although it's not that relevant nor prevalent in this issue.I mean...The authors were friends
Scales below Big BenHopefully you people at least realize that the "It's a building in Connecticut" point is really damn stupid, though
So the same thing can be extrapolated for something like a High 1-A and a layer into High 1-A cosmology and so on, where it would completely transcend the meta-qualitative layers and be meta-meta-qualitative or something?If the "Reality/Unreality" dichotomy in question is actually "the distinction between non-1-A and 1-A," though, or something like that, then transcending it would be High 1-A at least.
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If that were to be real, then the number of current tier 0's will get dropped almost into an oblivion, and thank God, cuz I'm tired of seeing another tier 0 SCP character. Makes tier 0 feel less specialI think SCP ought to be removed on account of it lacking a coherent narrative, being just fanfiction, and being written with powerscaling in mind tbh...
This has already been refuted more times than I can count.I think SCP ought to be removed on account of it lacking a coherent narrative, being just fanfiction, and being written with powerscaling in mind tbh...
I'm trying to quash common misconceptions here that cause trouble, which I'd say is perfectly worthy of involving staff. The "SCP is fanfiction" argument has already been refuted a bunch of times, often in threads not even about SCP because people engage in whataboutism over it when their verses are in danger of being rejected due to potential fanfiction in them:
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/make-scp-great-again-call-to-action.33918/
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/scp-should-not-be-allowed-on-this-site.39421/
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-thread-everyone-wanted-deleting-scp.139470/
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/world-of-darkness-cosmology-1-5-tm-inc-llc-cr.146488/post-5428298
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/pacheco-cara-floja-deletion.150882/
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-talisman-high-1a-and-0-upgrade.149707/
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/fully-embedding-wikidot-backrooms-into-vs-battles-wiki.153997/
SCP won't be Tier 0 at all under the new system, just High 1-A.If that were to be real, then the number of current tier 0's will get dropped almost into an oblivion, and thank God, cuz I'm tired of seeing another tier 0 SCP character. Makes tier 0 feel less special
Really? Not even any High 1-A+ profiles?SCP won't be Tier 0 at all under the new system, just High 1-A.
Knowing SCP there's probably something above or would be independent of something that would be High 1-A+Really? Not even any High 1-A+ profiles?
I mean I know that, just sayin' about the current standardsSCP won't be Tier 0 at all under the new system, just High 1-A.
l take, this is why i'm >>>>> badsystem nglI am NOT reading allat!! Vote me for supreme autocrat for SCP to deleted in twelve minutes.
SCP has several layers of meta-qualitative superiorities, making them Tier 0 under the old system, but they don't have any of the esoteric philosophical language for High 1-A+ or 0.Really? Not even any High 1-A+ profiles?
This mocking is baseless. A Monad or a collection of all possibilities doesn't fit with SCP's themes, and the authors reputable enough to do one regardless aren't interested.We all agree that a new scp will appear coincidentally that fits the new system, right? When that moment comes, let's act surprised.
In fact, I bet one of the writers is reading this right now. Hi!
Not even something that's something like collection of all possible character strings?SCP has several layers of meta-qualitative superiorities, making them Tier 0 under the old system, but they don't have any of the esoteric philosophical language for High 1-A+ or 0.
I have no idea why SCP would have that.Not even something that's something like collection of all possible character strings?
SCP is wrote in vsbw logic, they ARE going to make someone that is high 1-A+ or Tier 0 (obviously they will wait to not get attention)SCP has several layers of meta-qualitative superiorities, making them Tier 0 under the old system, but they don't have any of the esoteric philosophical language for High 1-A+ or 0.
Mods, crush his skulll take, this is why i'm >>>>> badsystem ngl
Thoroughly debunked.SCP is wrote in vsbw logic