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The Elder Scrolls Discussions on Mortals and their feats

We really need to calculate the earth they are displacing with their step so we can get lifting strength for them. Unfortunately our lifting strength rules are moronic and large size doesn’t allow you to get lifting strength from it (I really want to see the giant character that failed to lift something tiny to make this the standard)
 
Does anyone know how to calculate ground dispersing so we can calculate the four main mudcrab sizes I know. The baby mudcrab in a quest who’s like your hand big (scales to mudcrab only), the small pet mudcrab (scales to children), the normal mudcrab (name me a single reason this shouldn’t scale to everyone when everyone in the universe talks crap about these guys as push overs), and the big ones (unironically they could be 8-C they sit into stone like it’s not there and they are bigger than a full on guy)
 
FaxNovuuuuu said:
Then, there’s ancient giants bigger than mountains
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Reminds me of these images and showings.

Giant cracking the ground sending a guy flying

Giant hick a wood elf nearly a league away

in eso a giant kicks you up a hill.

In Skyrim there is a quest where you help orcs defeat a giant leader, after a curse was put on them for being weak and not taking care of the giants. From this quest it seems like the orcs have been holding off the giants for weeks barehanded. And a number of times warriors have fought and killed giants in eso.
 
Ah I see, funnily enough a league used to be further than our over the horizon distance but now that is lower by a few hundred meters so the lifting strength would need to be done for giants. The ap is pitiful though.
 
Then I would think it would be based on what a league was at the time or go low to high end sense it can go by country and time period.
 
Should we not just use the modern definition since elder scrolls isn’t in our past.
 
Keeweed said:
I just found out Faendal of all people has hunted a troll before, crazy (6:39). We used to not have people scale to rats, random small town hunters can murder a troll for sport.
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To be fair, I wouldn't consider any of the potential companions in Skyrim to be regular dudes considering they have to fight alongside the damn Dragonborn.
 
Keeweed said:
The baby mudcrab in a quest who’s like your hand big (scales to mudcrab only), the small pet mudcrab (scales to children),
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Funnily enough there is a character who can get a profile that would scale to the pet mudcrab rather than the normal one. The girl from the dark brotherhood. She’s a vampire sure, but as far as I’m aware she described all her kills through piercing damage with her teeth so I think she would scale to being a kid at least possibly higher “wall level (Should be superior to Pincer, a young mudcrab which can dig into the ground, who can be caught by regular children), possibly higher (Is a vampire who as killed many adults, but all kills she has described doing have been through piercing damage)”
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
To be fair, I wouldn't consider any of the potential companions in Skyrim to be regular dudes considering they have to fight alongside the damn Dragonborn.
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I would get that like in a comic or fighting game, but for like rpg companions unless your main character isn’t particularly special I never assume the companions scale. Though I will say the companions usually are slightly well accomplished (unless it’s Sven lol, he’s literally just a lumberjack)
 
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XSOULOFCINDERX said:
To be fair, I wouldn't consider any of the potential companions in Skyrim to be regular dudes considering they have to fight alongside the damn Dragonborn.
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I would say the companions aren't really special beyond just being able to fight monsters in the wild anything beyond that is likely just game mechanics, that or Lydia can go a few rounds with Alduin.
 
Question: What do the regular ass non-named Dragons scale to? I know this is the mortals thread but these guys are the literal top tier of cannon fodder imaginable so I think it evens out.
 
Last I checked they are city level which is why beginning game Dragonborn is 7-B. And they are 7-B because they are stated to be able to change the weather which lines up with random mages having the power to do so.
 
Keeweed said:
Last I checked they are city level which is why beginning game Dragonborn is 7-B. And they are 7-B because they are stated to be able to change the weather
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I see. I don't remember that feat but I believe it considering Storm Call and Clear Skies exist.
 
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Keeweed said:
Last I checked they are city level which is why beginning game Dragonborn is 7-B. And they are 7-B because they are stated to be able to change the weather which lines up with random mages having the power to do so.
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You mean Storm Call is 7-B, right?
 
Keeweed said:
That’s kinda in a gray area, because storm call is currently scaled above most dragons, but it was supposed to be downgraded because Nirn is not a normal planet at all.
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Isn't Nirn like gargantuan even by planet standards?
 
No I meant this
“So, to summarize it: Nirn as a plane is very, very weird, and not at all like a normal planet in its entirety. As is known, its continents, for instance, are literally displaced throughout different points in the timeline: Yokuda being in the past, Tamriel in the present and Akavir in the future, and by sailing across the ocean, you are actually sailing across time: “

Tamriel is the present. It is literally the center of time.
Akavir is the East and it is in the future.
Hammerfell is to the West and is in the past.
Traveling from west to east means more than taking time to sail, it means sailing across time.
Atmora to the North is frozen in time. As such, it didn't really exist at all.
Aldmeris to the South is** outside of time**. As such, it didn't really exist at all.
The moons? Now they're really weird when it comes to time.

It's linear. It follows a line.
The Line, if you get me
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Though Ulitma’s particular statement on storm call is super goofy and weird “The other cornerstone of the High 6-A key is this calculation for Storm Call. Frankly, I don't have much to say on that one: Given that it's specifically as a Shout that calls forth storms, I see no reason to treat it as anything other than a summon, which is pretty obviously the intent here. Thus, tiering it based on the KE of the gathering clouds is not at all valid.”

I hate when staff just go “nah” to a feat. I don’t know why it wouldn’t just be downgraded for the same reason the world shake was.
 
I still think the giant sending someone a league should be calculated instead. That would be like Class K or at least Class 100
 
The lifting strength page repeatedly says tearing is a lifting strength and their thu’um tore the island from the mainland and pushed it. Plus the entire point of unrelenting force is to push things and the dragons in the battle didn’t accidentally throw themselves several thousand miles away. Unrelenting force is specifically stated to push against you as much as it does the world
 
Keeweed said:
The lifting strength page repeatedly says tearing is a lifting strength and their thu’um tore the island from the mainland and pushed it. Plus the entire point of unrelenting force is to push things and the dragons in the battle didn’t accidentally throw themselves several thousand miles away. Unrelenting force is specifically stated to push against you as much as it does the world
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Then I guess that's fine. Its just weird to think about it being LS when its not either physical strength or Telekinesis.
 
It wasn’t done on purpose as telekinesis. Just the dragons, the dragon priest, and Miraak shouting so much started to drag and shove the island around.
 
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