The Eternal Void vs Jack the Ripper! (Fusion Tiersetter Tourney: Round 1) (5-3-0)

[koopa3144]

Welcome to Round 1 of the Fusion Tiersetter Tourney!
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Spoiler: Rules copied from OG Tourney thread

Vs thread stuff:​

• Fusion's stats other than range, stamina, and intelligence will be set to the strongest character in play.
  • All amps/stat increases will be limited to a maximum multiplier of 4x. (I.e If Goku went SSJ he'd only get a 4x amp instead of 50x)
  • All characters will be able to interact and see each other naturally.
• Everything else is SBA

The fight takes place in Mute City!

The Eternal (Full Power) Void: 5

Jack the Ripper: 3

Incon: 0

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What can Void do against The World's Time Stop? It's Dio's first move so I assume it'd be Jack's too.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Eternal's Full Power incorporates all T2 gaia memories, which includes the Xtreme Memory that is capable of instantly analysing any and all opponents within his sight, so he'd immediately pick up on that and be pressured to go for the conceptual power null, which would render all of Jack's powerset useless. Keep in mind that usage of memory is thought based now to telekinetically lodge the eternal memory into the eternal edge to perform the power null. Even if he doesn't power null in time (or chooses not to), EV's low-godly regen just doesn't make this an issue, even with Raiden's befabled HF Blade.
DIO's weaknesses has him being completely arrogant and psychotic, likely fuelling Jack's tunnel-vision of violence thanks to Raiden's stuff, so he'd completely underestimate EV even after the regen shit, at which EV will proceed to shove his ass right out of his mouth. Literally and figuratively.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Hmm, well there's also Dio's fear aura to take into account, which can make supernatural will lads almost vomit, flee in terror, or outright become completely paralyzed.
Plus, considering the fact that Dio tends to try recruiting people rather than just offing them, can definitely see em going for one of his multiple mind hax options here.

DIO's weaknesses has him being completely arrogant and psychotic

Ehh, arogance isnt stupidity. Like he doesn't take risks unless he has extensive knowledge and knows he can afford to, the moment there's even a hint of danger, he becomes extremely cautious (Minus the initial exchange, the moment Jotaro became a real threat, Dio did everything he could to win without exposing himself).

 

[Muteki616]

What can Void do against The World's Time Stop? It's Dio's first move so I assume it'd be Jack's too.

EV's Low Godly Regen should negate anything done in the stopped time.
EV with his Analytic prediction would be quicker to go for the kill.

Jack the Ripper does not resist EV's Holy Manip, Damage Reduction, Power Null, Bio Manip, and mid-high regen negation.
All of these come with being hit by his sword, and Jack is not evading EV's sword despite the "genius" combat because of these analytical predictions.

He would know of the HF sword, and his blade would negate the effects of the Quantum manip via his Holy Light.

Hmm, well there's also Dio's fear aura to take into account,

I don't believe this would work on EV, who has an immunity to attacks on his Willpower.
However, even if we entertain the idea, Jack's fear aura would only make Void on edge and give him the chills, which is worse for Jack because EV will NOT be taking chances. This could also probably get middigated via the predictions and him basically metagaming The Ripper and his capabilities. i would assume logically you're less likely to be afraid if you know everything about your opponent.

The vomit-inducing fear only applied to Kakyoin, who had no experience, so I don't genuinely believe the fusion between an Immortal Swordsman and the Zombie Leader of a mercenary force is gonna budge as much as Kakyoin.

 

[Chritin]

EV's Low Godly Regen should negate anything done in the stopped time.
EV with his Analytic prediction would be quicker to go for the kill.

Jack the Ripper does not resist EV's Holy Manip, Damage Reduction, Power Null, Bio Manip, and mid-high regen negation.
All of these come with being hit by his sword, and Jack is not evading EV's sword despite the "genius" combat because of these analytical predictions.

He would know of the HF sword, and his blade would negate the effects of the Quantum manip via his Holy Light.



I don't believe this would work on EV, who has an immunity to attacks on his Willpower.
However, even if we entertain the idea, Jack's fear aura would only make Void on edge and give him the chills, which is worse for Jack because EV will NOT be taking chances. This could also probably get middigated via the predictions and him basically metagaming The Ripper and his capabilities. i would assume logically you're less likely to be afraid if you know everything about your opponent.

The vomit-inducing fear only applied to Kakyoin, who had no experience, so I don't genuinely believe the fusion between an Immortal Swordsman and the Zombie Leader of a mercenary force is gonna budge as much as Kakyoin.

I'm not gonna speak on everything here, just cause I don't really have a full opinion yet, but there are a few things I wanted to mention. Firstly, Dio wouldn't necessarily be weak to Holy Manipulation, since we've seen before traditional holy iconography has no effect on him. Not to say holy weapons wouldn't work on him, just that they would work about the same as standard weapons.

In terms of Dio's fear aura, that shit is way beyond just scaring scrubs. Kakyoin was even more terrified of Dio even after he worked on improving his tolerance to stressful situations, and Dio has consistently terrified people who are normally unaffected by other traditional fear auras. He made all of the crusaders (including Jotaro) jump out of his mansion in terror, and completely froze Polnareff in fear.

There are some other things too, like the fact that if all those other hax are tied to a sword, then it would be difficult for them to be used in stopped time, but I'll save that for now.

 

[Chariot190]

DIO's weaknesses has him being completely arrogant and psychotic, likely fuelling Jack's tunnel-vision of violence thanks to Raiden's stuff, so he'd completely underestimate EV even after the regen shit, at which EV will proceed to shove his ass right out of his mouth. Literally and figuratively.

Not this meme again holy ****.

 

[Chariot190]

The vomit-inducing fear only applied to Kakyoin, who had no experience, so I don't genuinely believe the fusion between an Immortal Swordsman and the Zombie Leader of a mercenary force is gonna budge as much as Kakyoin.

That isn't true, Avdol was almost paralyzed with fear despite decades of experience, supernatural will, and a bunch of offscreen Stand stuff and fights.
He admits the ONLY reason he even survived that encounter, was because of prior knowledge, and even then he straight up fled the country.

Dio's aura is enough to make a Kakyoin who straight up stated he trained his fear, Joseph, etc flee initially.

And Kakyoin is a naturalborn Stand user, by default and definition he already has a supernatural will yet Dio made it so he couldn't even do anything except pray.

EV's Low Godly Regen should negate anything done in the stopped time.

Dio can turn him into a zombie, vampire (both of which become his loyal subordinates), drain his life force, etc.

EV with his Analytic prediction would be quicker to go for the kill.

Raiden has that on crack, I would straight up say layered, like, at least 8, but people get pissy about that.
And I do mean that, the very reason this dude resists it AP, is the EXACT SAME reason why Raiden does in his initial human key (his muscles can't be read according to Vamp, who can borderline precog attacks from groups of goons due to it, let alone dudes like Gray Fox, Null, Venom, BB, Skulls, etc).
Raiden can predict people who scale way above his human self like, literally everyone in MGR.

All of these come with being hit by his sword, and Jack is not evading EV's sword despite the "genius" combat because of these analytical predictions.

Thinking on it, why the hell not? Raiden literally resists analytical prediction.
Also, yes he can, he has thought based time stop.

He would know of the HF sword, and his blade would negate the effects of the Quantum manip via his Holy Light.

Raiden has multiple HF weapons.

I don't believe this would work on EV, who has an immunity to attacks on his Willpower.

That isn't even remotely comparable. Not having will power doesn't mean he's immune to empath or fear manip, Jack just can't drain it or alter its base state. If anything, that's a bad thing because it isn't like the will power can overcome the fear if it doesn't exist.

However, even if we entertain the idea, Jack's fear aura would only make Void on edge and give him the chills, which is worse for Jack because EV will NOT be taking chances.

Not without a good enough resistance, he'd be paralyzed, or at the very least stunned for a bit.

This could also probably get middigated via the predictions and him basically metagaming The Ripper and his capabilities.

Again, Raiden legit resists that and is like multiple goons above goons who can outpredict others predictions.

i would assume logically you're less likely to be afraid if you know everything about your opponent.

No? What? If anything that could make it even worse.

Looking at the two's profiles. This dude lacks resistance to biomanip, corruption, obviously all of the HF stuff.
Jack can legit just stop time and turn him into a zombie or vampire and bypass his regen entirely.
Also looking at it, he doesn't resist mindhax either, which Jack has with eyecontact.

 

[Chariot190]

Actually here's a very good question, are the suits "technology"? Couldn't Hermit Purple just interface with them and control them, shut them down, etc? I don't see tech res listed and Jack DOES have Hermit Purple, which is pretty ass outside of basic clairvoyance like finding a location or item but like, fighting a goon who relies heavily on tech like suits, a single weapon, etc, that isn't just basic mechanics (like a gun firing a bullet is just a chain reaction of forces and stuff) is one of the hyper niche utilities it'd have.

 

[Chritin]

Actually here's a very good question, are the suits "technology"? Couldn't Hermit Purple just interface with them and control them, shut them down, etc? I don't see tech res listed and Jack DOES have Hermit Purple, which is pretty ass outside of basic clairvoyance like finding a location or item but like, fighting a goon who relies heavily on tech like suits, a single weapon, etc, that isn't just basic mechanics (like a gun firing a bullet is just a chain reaction of forces and stuff) is one of the hyper niche utilities it'd have.

If you want to use HP as an argument, it’s probably important to note that DIO’s hermit purple could literally break technology from several hundred miles away during the Yellow Temperance, when he seemingly used it to catch Joseph watching him through the TV.

Also, doesn’t Raiden have some kind of hacking on his own?

 

[Muteki616]

Firstly, Dio wouldn't necessarily be weak to Holy Manipulation, since we've seen before traditional holy iconography has no effect on him. Not to say holy weapons wouldn't work on him, just that they would work about the same as standard weapons.

I would agree,
But the weapon effect in question works on anything "evil."

It's not his main wincon, but I would assume it COULD work on the fusion.

In terms of Dio's fear aura, that shit is way beyond just scaring scrubs. Kakyoin was even more terrified of Dio even after he worked on improving his tolerance to stressful situations, and Dio has consistently terrified people who are normally unaffected by other traditional fear auras. He made all of the crusaders (including Jotaro) jump out of his mansion in terror, and completely froze Polnareff in fear.

Thank you for further clarification.
I mainly brought it up because it did seem that some were less scared than others.

There are some other things too, like the fact that if all those other hax are tied to a sword, then it would be difficult for them to be used in stopped time, but I'll save that for now.

His low godly regen SHOULD aid him in surviving a time stop, assuming he doesn't want to power null or is too late to power null immediately via the eternal edge.

After that, Eternal Void should one shot with close-range or long-range sword attacks.

Dio can turn him into a zombie, vampire (both of which become his loyal subordinates), drain his life force, etc.

Is the process instantaneous? I could see EV reversing the effects with his bio manip (or being completely unaffected because of type 7).
With the Analytic predictions or Info Analysis, whichever is more accurate.
EV could cover himself in Absolute Zero before Time Stop is initiated or whatever the case may be.

Raiden has that on crack, I would straight up say layered, like, at least 8, but people get pissy about that.
And I do mean that, the very reason this dude resists it AP, is the EXACT SAME reason why Raiden does in his initial human key (his muscles can't be read according to Vamp, who can borderline precog attacks from groups of goons due to it, let alone dudes like Gray Fox, Null, Venom, BB, Skulls, etc).
Raiden can predict people who scale way above his human self like, literally everyone in MGR.

Eternal's AP upscales from or scales from Double's who can just break down an opponent's kit from a glance.
Raiden's AP would be a nice CRT that I could lowkey get behind but this guy currently doesn't even have the ability listed on his profile.

Thinking on it, why the hell not? Raiden literally resists analytical prediction.

its not...
on the profile (I could not be looking hard enough.)
me calling it an "Analytic prediction" is kinda inaccurate. Its called info analysis on the profile.

Raiden has multiple HF weapons.

He should know these too.

That isn't even remotely comparable. Not having will power doesn't mean he's immune to empath or fear manip, Jack just can't drain it or alter its base state. If anything, that's a bad thing because it isn't like the will power can overcome the fear if it doesn't exist.

If he lacks a will
he can't be affected emotionally.
It's not that his will is low he just lacks it completely.

Again, Raiden legit resists that and is like multiple goons above goons who can outpredict others predictions.

Explained above and this isn't shown anywhere on the profiles.
Even the guys Raiden fights don't have AP on this wiki.

Actually here's a very good question, are the suits "technology"?

I think its wildly accepted that Rider forms fall under this physiology page.
So, no?

 

[Chariot190]

I would agree,
But the weapon effect in question works on anything "evil."

Raiden isn't evil. Dio is though so maybe.
But like, how is a HF blade "evil", it isn't? It's just a tool.

Thank you for further clarification.
I mainly brought it up because it did seem that some were less scared than others.

Some were, Jotaro like was only effected once, but Jotaro has like the biggest dick imaginable.
Pol, Kak, Joseph and Jotaro initially fled for their lives despite Kak having spent like ana ctual half a year training his fear so that WOULDN'T happen, the other 3 having such stupid willpower that things like mindhax, soulhax, etc take time to effect them or get compromised and mitigated (Jotaro and Pol), etc.

His low godly regen SHOULD aid him in surviving a time stop, assuming he doesn't want to power null or is too late to power null immediately via the eternal edge.

Regen does not stop the vampire hax, the very fact being bisected wouldn't kill him would just force Jack's hand into making him a minion.

After that, Eternal Void should one shot with close-range or long-range sword attacks.

Time Stop can be used repeatedly.

Is the process instantaneous? I could see EV reversing the effects with his bio manip (or being completely unaffected because of type 7).

Yeah kinda? As long as it's in there well and good or all the life force is taken, it's instant.
The process itself isn't, but, who gives a shit if it takes him like 2-3 seconds to drain all the life essence when he can stop time for 11 seconds, with each time stop getting slightly longer.

That isn't how it works, not only is his biores completely incomparable, but that doesn't really stop the corruption or the fact it can happen due to Dio taking abstract life essence.

Undead immortality doesn't actually stop it, we know undeads still retain life force, they move, think, etc? They still retain themselves then, a good example is ACDC actually, who on death exuded a fuckton of life essence, or Straizo being able to use Hamon, albeit killing himself (Hamon being the same life essence a vampire drains, just weaponized against them).

With the Analytic predictions or Info Analysis, whichever is more accurate.

Stop that, like you can't just pick and choose. Looking at it, it literally isn't that.

EV could cover himself in Absolute Zero before Time Stop is initiated or whatever the case may be.

Jack wouldn't give a single **** about being frozen tbh, not only is The World unaffected by that due to the AZ lacking NPI, but Dio as one of his main gimmicks, was flash freezing his own body and turning it to ice, more blatant in the manga (in which he can still act just fine), and while less so given it isn't AZ, but Raiden's cyborg body resists some wacky cold that's to the extent things like bullets cant hurt the dude because they flash freeze on contact and lose all momentum (Python).

Is what I would say, but time is stopped, why would the transfer of heat work in stopped time? Can't freeze him if the heat from his body isn't being drawn out.

Eternal's AP upscales from or scales from Double's who can just break down an opponent's kit from a glance.

Call it what it is, if it isn't AP, don't pretend it is. That isn't ******* AP dude, it isn't even doing what you're saying it can do.

Regardless, that isn't even remotely good enough. You're acting like this borders on precog, you've said it'd let him land hits or this and that, except no, it wouldn't. You're conflating info analysis, which is what that is, with analytical prediction, which is what that ISNT.

This dude doesn't have an ability that would let him predict Jack's next 50 moves, how to counter them, etc.
He just has a ability that lets him analyze the physical composition of a target.

And the worst part of this, that isn't actually going to be that helpful here, it won't tell him Jack can stop time, has Stands, has mindhax, etc, it'd only tell him what he can actually see, like what his body is made of, what the HF blade is doing, etc. His analytical prediction is shown only to work on physical things he can see, we have no reason to assume it extends to abstract unconventional stuff that isn't perceptible.

Raiden's AP would be a nice CRT that I could lowkey get behind but this guy currently doesn't even have the ability listed on his profile.

And ironically, neither does this dude.
You keep confusing abilities, and then overextending them to do things that aren't there.

its not...
on the profile (I could not be looking hard enough.)
me calling it an "Analytic prediction" is kinda inaccurate. Its called info analysis on the profile.

I'm well aware it isn't accurate, which isn't a good thing, it means half your arguments don't even work. The info analysis isn't gonna let him tag, know abstract unconventional imperceptible abilities done with a thought and can't even be perceived without layered ESP, it doesn't mean he's outboxing a dude who can outbox dude's with a fuckton of actual analytical prediction (Which IS listed on those profiles), etc.

Your argument doesn't work, he can look at Jack, understand maybe about half his kit, and that's it, that doesn't actually help him attack or expect other things or predict anything.

Regardless, it wouldn't even matter, because Vamp's profile has AP listed, and Raiden's profile says he can box him. So even ignoring the fact Vamp flatout says he can't be read, pretending otherwise just makes it a huge skill feat if Raiden can outbox a dude who's reading his every move before he does it, take your pick.

He should know these too.

And? It doesn't matter if he knows them, though he wouldn't given his Analytical Prediction only works on what he can see, he doesn't look at a dude and get his whole hit in knowledge, he can just analyze what he's visually looking at.

If he lacks a will
he can't be affected emotionally.
It's not that his will is low he just lacks it completely.

My dude, that is not how this shit works. He still has emotions, thoughts, can think, etc. Lacking willpower so it can't be effected doesn't mean you resist a supernatural aura that forces intense feelings of trauma, malice and fear. Like, he isn't a vegetable?

That isn't how that works, and it isn't how it's accepted on wiki either.

Explained above and this isn't shown anywhere on the profiles.

And as such, we're gonna be treating it as just a skill feat that boils down to the same end result, so either way you cut it, he's outboxing dude's with AP.

Even the guys Raiden fights don't have AP on this wiki.

Ok you're just straight up wrong.

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Don't speak out of sheer ignorance.

I think its wildly accepted that Rider forms fall under this physiology page.
So, no?

You say that, but nothing on there says otherwise, in fact
"This is primarily done through the use of a transformation belt or "driver", that grants the user the powers of a Kamen Rider. "
Makes it clear it's done through technological devices.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ok, I'm back and uhh suffice to say, wow we got a lot to clear up.
Now, to get the elephant out of the room:

Hmm, well there's also Dio's fear aura to take into account, which can make supernatural will lads almost vomit, flee in terror, or outright become completely paralyzed.
Plus, considering the fact that Dio tends to try recruiting people rather than just offing them, can definitely see em going for one of his multiple mind hax options here.

That isn't true, Avdol was almost paralyzed with fear despite decades of experience, supernatural will, and a bunch of offscreen Stand stuff and fights.
He admits the ONLY reason he even survived that encounter, was because of prior knowledge, and even then he straight up fled the country.

Dio's aura is enough to make a Kakyoin who straight up stated he trained his fear, Joseph, etc flee initially.

And Kakyoin is a naturalborn Stand user, by default and definition he already has a supernatural will yet Dio made it so he couldn't even do anything except pray.

Some were, Jotaro like was only effected once, but Jotaro has like the biggest dick imaginable.
Pol, Kak, Joseph and Jotaro initially fled for their lives despite Kak having spent like ana ctual half a year training his fear so that WOULDN'T happen, the other 3 having such stupid willpower that things like mindhax, soulhax, etc take time to effect them or get compromised and mitigated (Jotaro and Pol), etc.

While EV doesn't have an explicit fear resist in their profiles, a few things come to mind. Eternal is technically already dead, and yes, while he has emotions and whatnot, this guy has been nothing short of crazy, even laughing at his own injuries and (eventual) death like it's nobody's business. He's also experienced quite the shit, like being tortured for science, but this guy just smiles as he's being stabbed and getting his neck broken.
Falchion should be this but dialled up to eleven, since his immortality and regen just shrugs off whatever shit his native riders pull off at him. As a Swordsman of Logos, he's also been trained to take down foes more terrifying than DIO has to offer. At best, EV would be on edge, and at worst, they fall into the Jotaro category (they have big dicks). I mean, how are they going to be utterly afraid of something that can kill them when they're immortal?
Actually, info analysing JTR might just have them be underwhelmed by what they have to offer (not speaking for me, that's what they would think) and would hinder the fear shit by some extent.

I'm not gonna speak on everything here, just cause I don't really have a full opinion yet, but there are a few things I wanted to mention. Firstly, Dio wouldn't necessarily be weak to Holy Manipulation, since we've seen before traditional holy iconography has no effect on him. Not to say holy weapons wouldn't work on him, just that they would work about the same as standard weapons.

It's not something that's like "HAHA one hit, and you go to hell thing", the sword would just deal more damage against evil beings.

Dio can turn him into a zombie, vampire (both of which become his loyal subordinates), drain his life force, etc.

I think the fleshbud has to penetrate EV's suit and flesh to be able to do that. Also, Eternal is already undead, and actually can't have his life force drained. Utopia Dopant did this, and it had no effect on Eternal.

Raiden has that on crack, I would straight up say layered, like, at least 8, but people get pissy about that.
And I do mean that, the very reason this dude resists it AP, is the EXACT SAME reason why Raiden does in his initial human key (his muscles can't be read according to Vamp, who can borderline precog attacks from groups of goons due to it, let alone dudes like Gray Fox, Null, Venom, BB, Skulls, etc).
Raiden can predict people who scale way above his human self like, literally everyone in MGR.

Idk how Ziggy confused AnPr with IA, but let me speak my piece.
Eternal doesn't have AnPr, but he's able to resist two particular AnPr users (or similar). The Eyes Dopant is very similar to Vamp AnPr but reads more than just muscles iirc. He also went up against W Xtreme, who not only knew of his arsenal thanks to his info analysis, but also Philip's own AnPr (like when Philip accurately deduced the time a truck would drive by under them, so that they can escape; or when he AnPr-ed the roulette to get as many wins as possible).
Falchion, however, fought against not one, but two Caliburs, who can precog entire timelines worth of actions, as well as defeated Saber on multiple occasions. Saber who defeated both caliburs. Fuse them together, and Raiden's AnPr goes to shit.

Actually here's a very good question, are the suits "technology"? Couldn't Hermit Purple just interface with them and control them, shut them down, etc? I don't see tech res listed and Jack DOES have Hermit Purple, which is pretty ass outside of basic clairvoyance like finding a location or item but like, fighting a goon who relies heavily on tech like suits, a single weapon, etc, that isn't just basic mechanics (like a gun firing a bullet is just a chain reaction of forces and stuff) is one of the hyper niche utilities it'd have.

If you want to use HP as an argument, it’s probably important to note that DIO’s hermit purple could literally break technology from several hundred miles away during the Yellow Temperance, when he seemingly used it to catch Joseph watching him through the TV.

Also, doesn’t Raiden have some kind of hacking on his own?

Firstly, I don't really think hacking would do much to tech that solely exists to transform the user into a Kamen Rider and utilise conceptual power from the Eternal Gaia Memory. DIO destroying tech might work (then again, the belt and the eternal edge are separate), but here's the thing: Falchion's Rider System is not actually tech. It's a mix of magic or mystical stuff. But then again, would they really go for shutting down the tech when they can just slice and dice EV altogether in stopped time, thinking that's the end of his opponent?
In contrast, one Eternal powernull and everything Jack has is rendered completely useless. And let's not forget the Void Sword being able to return anything into nothingness.

Yeah kinda? As long as it's in there well and good or all the life force is taken, it's instant.
The process itself isn't, but, who gives a shit if it takes him like 2-3 seconds to drain all the life essence when he can stop time for 11 seconds, with each time stop getting slightly longer.

That isn't how it works, not only is his biores completely incomparable, but that doesn't really stop the corruption or the fact it can happen due to Dio taking abstract life essence.

Undead immortality doesn't actually stop it, we know undeads still retain life force, they move, think, etc? They still retain themselves then, a good example is ACDC actually, who on death exuded a fuckton of life essence, or Straizo being able to use Hamon, albeit killing himself (Hamon being the same life essence a vampire drains, just weaponized against them).

Utopia Dopant does the very same thing to Eternal (taking life force), but he just shrugs it off like there's no big deal. There's no lifeforce in Eternal.

And the worst part of this, that isn't actually going to be that helpful here, it won't tell him Jack can stop time, has Stands, has mindhax, etc, it'd only tell him what he can actually see, like what his body is made of, what the HF blade is doing, etc. His analytical prediction is shown only to work on physical things he can see, we have no reason to assume it extends to abstract unconventional stuff that isn't perceptible.

Hold the phone, the Xtreme Memory analyses EVERYTHING down to the last minute detail. While it won't obviously pick up what stands are, Eternal would obviously know about the timestop, mindhax, and even their backstories. This is how CycloneJokerXtreme is able to swiftly defeat their opponents due to knowing everything there is about them.

Not this meme again holy ****.

Am I falling into some pitfall of DIO debating or something?

 

[Chariot190]

While EV doesn't have an explicit fear resist in their profiles, a few things come to mind.

I'm not arguing shit that ain't on the profile. Like, I'll humor it a bit if you humor me, within reason, but that's kind of a huge thing. Get it added first.

Eternal is technically already dead, and yes, while he has emotions and whatnot, this guy has been nothing short of crazy, even laughing at his own injuries and (eventual) death like it's nobody's business.

You literally just proved your argument wrong. He has emotions, you just admitted it, being crazy doesn't detract from being affected by fear hax.

He's also experienced quite the shit, like being tortured for science, but this guy just smiles as he's being stabbed and getting his neck broken.

So? That doesn't matter, Dio isn't causing fear through being scary, in fact without using it he just comes off as some dude to most, he's doing it via a supernatural Stand aura.
Btw it caused dudes like Polnareff to freeze up, Joseph to run, etc, these characters who have smiled and even shit talked, make jokes, and more, while being dismembered, having their throat ripped out, crippled, stabbed repeatedly, etc.

Falchion should be this but dialled up to eleven, since his immortality and regen just shrugs off whatever shit his native riders pull off at him.

That is cool but doesn't help at all. Dio isn't making people scared because he's scary, but due to a supernatural ghost aura that causes people to piss themselves without even KNOWING he's there.

As a Swordsman of Logos, he's also been trained to take down foes more terrifying than DIO has to offer.

Again, doesn't matter. This isn't Dio scary, it's actual hax ability.

At best, EV would be on edge, and at worst, they fall into the Jotaro category (they have big dicks).

Jotaro also has like the second biggest will out of any JoJo character, including those who have fought everything from basic zombies, to things that can delete you from existence and scatter you across multiple dimensions, to things that can end the universe and delete souls from existence, living laws of reality, to whatever tf Rohan's recent eldritch acid trip was. Being strong, being scary, whatever, is a non-factor.

And Jotaro STILL fled from Dio initially mind you, and didn't fight Dio again till hours later, and he has a Stand and stuff.
You're sabotaging your argument.

I mean, how are they going to be utterly afraid of something that can kill them when they're immortal?

Because that's what the ability does?
Like why ask if mindhax could control someone if they know their foe has mindcontrol? Just how it works dude.

Actually, info analysing JTR might just have them be underwhelmed by what they have to offer (not speaking for me, that's what they would think) and would hinder the fear shit by some extent.

That isn't how it works according to the profiles.

And how is universal time stop, quantum scale duraneg, and a whole bunch of other shit underwhelming.
He literally has more abilities, in which they can instantly gimp him in multiple ways. If anything you'd think he'd become exceedingly on edge just from knowing this dude can think a thought and beat him regardless of his immortalities.

It's not something that's like "HAHA one hit, and you go to hell thing", the sword would just deal more damage against evil beings.

Then why's it matter against the dude who can survive as like brain goop with regen and 5 revives.

I think the fleshbud has to penetrate EV's suit and flesh to be able to do that.

Tf does Flesh Bud have to do with anything? I never mentioned that. If you mean mindhax, Dio has multiple methods, I wasn't talking about flesh buds in this case.

Also, Eternal is already undead, and actually can't have his life force drained. Utopia Dopant did this, and it had no effect on Eternal.

I will accept this as that's an actual feat and logically would prevent it if he already explicitly has none.
But Dio has no less than 4 ways to to do it, that just takes away one.

Idk how Ziggy confused AnPr with IA, but let me speak my piece.
Eternal doesn't have AnPr, but he's able to resist two particular AnPr users (or similar). The Eyes Dopant is very similar to Vamp AnPr but reads more than just muscles iirc. He also went up against W Xtreme, who not only knew of his arsenal thanks to his info analysis, but also Philip's own AnPr (like when Philip accurately deduced the time a truck would drive by under them, so that they can escape; or when he AnPr-ed the roulette to get as many wins as possible).

I'm not getting into this shit but

Raiden>Sam>Raiden>Vamp>Solidus>Raiden>Vamp>Solid>Liquid>Gray Fox>Solid>Big Boss>Fox>Solid>Venom>Solid>Fox>Venom>Skulls>Big Boss>Gene>Null>The Boss.

Every one of these goons has Analytical Prediction or resists it, or even straight up can see the future and even read minds, and each one skill ***** the dude below or can't be read.

Like, Raiden can literally fight people that have precog, mindreading, and phasing, actively seeing the future all while reading their foe's minds to make every attack miss, and Raiden used his ass for training, at his weakest.
Gene can manhandle Null, who can do the things you just mentioned, like reading muscles to predict attacks from groups of soldiers at the same time or shifts in the air, etc to dismantle enemies, whatever.

(Also is that truck feat real, why is that AnPr? Even DIO did that onscreen, that's tame af).
But this doesn't matter, if this dude doesn't have AnP, why argue he does?

Falchion, however, fought against not one, but two Caliburs, who can precog entire timelines worth of actions, as well as defeated Saber on multiple occasions. Saber who defeated both caliburs. Fuse them together, and Raiden's AnPr goes to shit.

And Raiden humiliates dudes who can see the future while actively reading their foe's mind to know exactly what's going to happen, and? Predicting a bunch of actions, and KNOWING 100% what's gonna happen next because you're in the dude's head (on top of having wacky precog that can predict whole wars down to exact instances and everything that happens across it) I'd say is pretty damn good comparatively regardless.
We're arguing shit that isn't even remotely mentioned on the profiles anyway.

Like my brother in christ, the justification is "lol muscle twitches can't be read", NOT that. I would legit prefer if there wasn't ANY justification listed because at least then it isn't worded like it's being capped.

But it doesn't matter how good it is, it won't stop time stop even if he knows it's coming, this goes without saying time stop let's him do literally whatever he wants free,

Firstly, I don't really think hacking would do much to tech that solely exists to transform the user into a Kamen Rider and utilise conceptual power from the Eternal Gaia Memory.

I didn't say hacking, it can interface with it and control it directly.
But, why's that matter? It doesn't have resistance and it's tech, so it is what it is.
That argument wouldn't even fly because utilizing some wacky power, doesn't make IT the wacky power. Like you don't need to physically interact with data to totally screw over a computer.

DIO destroying tech might work (then again, the belt and the eternal edge are separate), but here's the thing: Falchion's Rider System is not actually tech. It's a mix of magic or mystical stuff. But then again, would they really go for shutting down the tech when they can just slice and dice EV altogether in stopped time,

Tech is tech, it might be fantastical tech, but I'm not being given a good reason why it wouldn't work.

It isn't abstract, it doesn't have defenses against it, it's clearly technological in function, I'm not being given reason why it wouldn't work.

And no, they wouldn't, unless they deduce that's where some of their powers come from, which they might. I wouldn't put it as the main lead but it's possible.

thinking that's the end of his opponent?

Why would they think that? Both have ample experience with characters that won't die from that, they themselves are literally examples. In fact every single character Raiden fights in MGR bar Sam, doesn't actually die from that, most get rebuilt even. But, as below, I doubt that would even matter.

In contrast, one Eternal powernull and everything Jack has is rendered completely useless. And let's not forget the Void Sword being able to return anything into nothingness.

Time Stop.

Like, this dude isn't touching him, he has thought based time stop and good enough senses to not be taken by surprise. It doesn't matter what he has if everything can be avoided with zero issue. And that's ASSUMING he lasts that long.
You don't think a character who actively converts any useful foe into his minion first and foremost would like, start with that first?
And it wouldn't even be hard, time stop lead as expected, life drain, "oh shit he don't got any, ok well I can do this instead", and then it works because lad doesn't even have something as basic as corruption res.

Utopia Dopant does the very same thing to Eternal (taking life force), but he just shrugs it off like there's no big deal. There's no lifeforce in Eternal.

You said that, that doesn't change the end result, it just prevents one option.

Hold the phone, the Xtreme Memory analyses EVERYTHING down to the last minute detail. While it won't obviously pick up what stands are, Eternal would obviously know about the timestop, mindhax, and even their backstories. This is how CycloneJokerXtreme is able to swiftly defeat their opponents due to knowing everything there is about them.

That isn't on the profile dog, the scans used show simply things like physical and biological slop.
I'm not taking "oh I analyzed his ability, he can control atomic bonds to make himself tough, but even jewels have a weakpoint, I'll target his!" as "btw he knows everything ever including backstories lmao".

You'd think if that's actually what it does you'd use an actual good feat as justification not that tame af shit on there.

Am I falling into some pitfall of DIO debating or something?

Literally a plot point he doesn't do that. Part 1 Dio? Yep. He IS up his own ass, overconfident, etc, he still goes for the kills against lads he doesn't give a shit about, but if given ample reason, he will sandbag a bit.
Part 3? Not at all, it's stated so many times he goes for the kill right away, doesn't take risks he can't afford to, only fights if he has extensive info, and the instant something begins posing a risk, he becomes hyperanal and does everything he can to avoid it.
But now couple that with Raiden who is that on crack basically.
It simply isn't a argument.

Regardless, literally nothing you said changes the outcome.
This lad can't stop the very basic combo of time stop into literally anything really, even if stuff doesn't work, they can try again with zero risk, and that's assuming they don't figure out what does and doesn't work in the very first time stop.
And let's not forget, Jack doesn't just have thought based time stop, he's also 4x quicker in general, including perception speed, due to Ripper mode so he's also REACTING back to any counters in time.
There's zero way this dude gets the drop on him, especially given Raiden and Dio both have enhanced senses that can sense motion from hundreds of meters (The AR sensors, and Dio just has superhuman hearing). Borderline blitz + time stop let's them act first.

If your argument is they attack, slice him up, and then just stop, it wouldn't matter because the instant he twitches they're stopping time again quicker than he can retaliate (hell even in canon, DIO was able to stop time quick enough while being blindsided and stabbed, that the dude who stabbed him in the head couldn't even twitch his sword, and that was WHILE Dio was distracted and looking the other way), now toss in Raiden's sensors and it just isn't happening, from there they're 100% going with the vampire hax, assuming they didn't lead with that to begin due to lack of options anyway.

This is also ignoring the fear aura which is still going to work just fine which either leads to this dude being Jack's minion, him fleeing for his life and thus self BFR, or just standing there unable to act.
Plus, there's still the mindhax Dio has, like, actual mindhax, not flesh buds, but eye contact based hypnosis, which this dude also doesn't have resistance for. BUT, Flesh Buds might work anyway? Dio can implant spores that are cellular in scale, and TW has the precision and phasing to easily implant them without needing to break skin (Though Dio has fusionism anyway so....).
And then there's the multiple ways Dio can convert into a underling like inserting his OWN life essence into them, which also works (This lad doesn't resist corruption so, ya know). Id say blood or vampire essence but that might be covered by bio res, I'm unsure but it ultimately doesn't matter.
Actually, checking the profiles again, idk why I thought this dude had disease res, biomanip res, etc, Dio can screw him over so many ways it isn't even funny, can turn him into a mindless monster, mindcontrol him (does this dude's weapon effect himself? He could tell him to commit suicide or something), insert zombie slop into him which makes him a minion too, even use his own blood to make him a zealot.

The ONLY way this lad is winning, is if he has some huge massive AOE instant meme that can't be avoided even with Time Stop and ONLY if he survives past the first one or two time stops due to Jack and all his hyperanal glory just like, not wanting to make him a goon for some reason?

 

[Muteki616]

@Shadowslash125 Does EV have access to the book of ruin?

 

[Chariot190]

@Shadowslash125 Does EV have access to the book of ruin?

He would, it's standard equipment I think?

Though if you're gonna argue that, nothing is stopping Jack from just stopping time and taking it from him.
He'd have to take it out to begin with anyway, that's a lot of wasted movement tbh.

 

[Shadowslash125]

My brother in buddha.

Actually, let me just spoiler all these so that it won't get ******* bombarded with word walls every second of the way.

Spoiler: Fear shit

I'm not arguing shit that ain't on the profile. Like, I'll humor it a bit if you humor me, within reason, but that's kind of a huge thing. Get it added first.

Actually, I'm not saying Eternal literally has fear hax resist. What can I add when he doesn't have resist to fear hax in the first place?

Speaking of shit that's not in profiles, nothing you said that's supernatural willpower is even found in the profiles, not even in big dick Jotaro's. If anything, this just means that his fear hax can be handled by those without supernatural willpower.
Falchion's entire faction was to deal with monsters that are a fuckton more terrifying than whatever shit DIO can throw, and are constantly training to fight against shit like that. If anything, that alone would have DIO's fear hax at best keep them on the edge, and at worse, not even work at all. I was willing to be lenient, but all bets are off now.

Spoiler: Xtreme Dick Measuring

That isn't how it works according to the profiles.

And how is universal time stop, quantum scale duraneg, and a whole bunch of other shit underwhelming.
He literally has more abilities, in which they can instantly gimp him in multiple ways. If anything you'd think he'd become exceedingly on edge just from knowing this dude can think a thought and beat him regardless of his immortalities.

Except that it is! You're looking at the wrong place, my guy.
Xtreme's ability originally belongs to Kamen Rider W, whose profile states:

The sheer knowledge of this form wields allows Double to instantly analyze the opponent's capabilities

This means Eternal would know EVERYTHING about his opponents, period. Down to the most minute ability that DIO or Raiden has forgotten to use in their lifespan.
Secondly, those are underwhelming because they do not pose remotely a single threat to a fusion of someone that can power null conceptually and a guy who holds literal void for a sword. Also, they are in possession of a book that can destroy two ******* worlds- Ok enough dick measuring. Even in character, they'd be unfazed by knowing about them tbh.

Spoiler: Dios Mio

Then why's it matter against the dude who can survive as like brain goop with regen and 5 revives.

It just got mentioned, so I came to clear that up. Holy Manip doesn't seem to be much yet, so just pretend it's some damage boost or some shit.

Tf does Flesh Bud have to do with anything? I never mentioned that. If you mean mindhax, Dio has multiple methods, I wasn't talking about flesh buds in this case.

I initially thought the mindhax was due to Flesh Bud, but I was a baka mitai dame da ne.
Speaking of which, is that mindhax an instantaneous genjutsu ahh move or does it take time, since they're like 4 ******* kilometers apart?

I will accept this as that's an actual feat and logically would prevent it if he already explicitly has none.
But Dio has no less than 4 ways to to do it, that just takes away one.

I'm going to need clarification on this, since I couldn't find any other techniques pertaining to life drain besides maybe doing the sucky sucky on EV's neck, but at the same time, funni rider suit go brr.

EDIT: I read the entire post. Funni Spandex rider suit go brr regardless

Spoiler: Preaching the Precog

I'm not getting into this shit but

Raiden>Sam>Raiden>Vamp>Solidus>Raiden>Vamp>Solid>Liquid>Gray Fox>Solid>Big Boss>Fox>Solid>Venom>Solid>Fox>Venom>Skulls>Big Boss>Gene>Null>The Boss.

Every one of these goons has Analytical Prediction or resists it, or even straight up can see the future and even read minds, and each one skill ***** the dude below or can't be read.

Like, Raiden can literally fight people that have precog, mindreading, and phasing, actively seeing the future all while reading their foe's minds to make every attack miss, and Raiden used his ass for training, at his weakest.
Gene can manhandle Null, who can do the things you just mentioned, like reading muscles to predict attacks from groups of soldiers at the same time or shifts in the air, etc to dismantle enemies, whatever.

(Also is that truck feat real, why is that AnPr? Even DIO did that onscreen, that's tame af).
But this doesn't matter, if this dude doesn't have AnP, why argue he does?

Disregard this, not in the profiles. Eternal AnPr shit will come some time in the future. It doesn't exist now.

And Raiden humiliates dudes who can see the future while actively reading their foe's mind to know exactly what's going to happen, and? Predicting a bunch of actions, and KNOWING 100% what's gonna happen next because you're in the dude's head (on top of having wacky precog that can predict whole wars down to exact instances and everything that happens across it) I'd say is pretty damn good comparatively regardless.
We're arguing shit that isn't even remotely mentioned on the profiles anyway.

My brother in buddha.

Both Calibur's precog (actual precognition, not AnPr, mind you) has the ability to see through entire timelines of possible futures, to the point that any Caliburs can witness the end of the world multiple times with variations. How their opponents will attack in their next fight, what spouses their friends will have, how they'll die and how the world ends, they can see that far. MG shenanigans are impressive, ngl, but something of this magnitude is not what Raiden can even go up against. Unless of course there's something like that in MG, this is way up the league of precogs.
Saber has defeated two Caliburs, and every member of the swords of logos can fight against someone that basically uses King Crimson abilities via pure skill alone.
And said Saber has been ******* on by Falchion on multiple occasions. Raiden's AnPr has nothing on that.

But it doesn't matter how good it is, it won't stop time stop even if he knows it's coming, this goes without saying time stop let's him do literally whatever he wants free,

It all depends on whatever tf JTR does first, tbh. If he's just going to hack away at EV, low godly regen and funni immortality go brr AND he can teleport to a different location as he regenerates!

Spoiler: International Hacker

I didn't say hacking, it can interface with it and control it directly.
But, why's that matter? It doesn't have resistance and it's tech, so it is what it is.
That argument wouldn't even fly because utilizing some wacky power, doesn't make IT the wacky power. Like you don't need to physically interact with data to totally screw over a computer.

You're basically trying to hack into a simple machine that just suits people up. That's like trying to hack a kettle. Also it wasn't you, I was responding to someone else and lumped you two together.
Also fusion of the Lost Driver and Falchion's driver means it's not just tech anymore. So gabagool.

Tech is tech, it might be fantastical tech, but I'm not being given a good reason why it wouldn't work.
It isn't abstract, it doesn't have defenses against it, it's clearly technological in function, I'm not being given reason why it wouldn't work.
And no, they wouldn't, unless they deduce that's where some of their powers come from, which they might. I wouldn't put it as the main lead but it's possible.

Falchion Driver (and blade) comes from ancient times says hello. That's like calling Silver Chariot tech cuz it's metal. If you think that's stupid, that's because it is.
I'm not given a reason why you think it's tech beyond "It henshins by doing things to a belt". Tell that to Kuuga, who's completely biological.

Spoiler: Oh my buddha

Why would they think that? Both have ample experience with characters that won't die from that, they themselves are literally examples. In fact every single character Raiden fights in MGR bar Sam, doesn't actually die from that, most get rebuilt even. But, as below, I doubt that would even matter.

Something something they'd overcompensate to kill EV, which leads to something something EV respawns and regens somewhere else. EV can do any actions while regenning, even if they're essentially feathers and uninteractible, so trying to time stop camp EV doesn't work. Time Stop would only work once, since EV would be back with the power null already firing.

Time Stop.

Like, this dude isn't touching him, he has thought based time stop and good enough senses to not be taken by surprise. It doesn't matter what he has if everything can be avoided with zero issue. And that's ASSUMING he lasts that long.
You don't think a character who actively converts any useful foe into his minion first and foremost would like, start with that first?
And it wouldn't even be hard, time stop lead as expected, life drain, "oh shit he don't got any, ok well I can do this instead", and then it works because lad doesn't even have something as basic as corruption res.

I mean, would Jack even know it's power null until it's too late? Keep in mind, this power null spawns on enemies the moment it's activated. Unlike EV, there's nothing telling Jack if he's going to be useful besides being immortal and regenning hard.

You said that, that doesn't change the end result, it just prevents one option.

That's one out of one since nothing else counts as life absorption anymore. The rest is completely unrelated.

That isn't on the profile dog, the scans used show simply things like physical and biological slop.
I'm not taking "oh I analyzed his ability, he can control atomic bonds to make himself tough, but even jewels have a weakpoint, I'll target his!" as "btw he knows everything ever including backstories lmao".

You'd think if that's actually what it does you'd use an actual good feat as justification not that tame af shit on there.

I mean, if that's the case, then I can just disregard everything you say, just write my explanation and say 'therefore EV FRA' then **** off without even considering your response. But I don't want to be a dick, do I? You preach gospel for profiles, yet when something is EXPLICITLY written in the profile, you disregard it as if you don't look at profiles. Don't contradict yourself.

Spoiler: The only thing that makes sense and I agree with

Literally a plot point he doesn't do that. Part 1 Dio? Yep. He IS up his own ass, overconfident, etc, he still goes for the kills against lads he doesn't give a shit about, but if given ample reason, he will sandbag a bit.
Part 3? Not at all, it's stated so many times he goes for the kill right away, doesn't take risks he can't afford to, only fights if he has extensive info, and the instant something begins posing a risk, he becomes hyperanal and does everything he can to avoid it.
But now couple that with Raiden who is that on crack basically.
It simply isn't a argument.

That's fair.

Spoiler: And immediately all that agreement goes to shit

Regardless, literally nothing you said changes the outcome.
This lad can't stop the very basic combo of time stop into literally anything really, even if stuff doesn't work, they can try again with zero risk, and that's assuming they don't figure out what does and doesn't work in the very first time stop.
And let's not forget, Jack doesn't just have thought based time stop, he's also 4x quicker in general, including perception speed, due to Ripper mode so he's also REACTING back to any counters in time.
There's zero way this dude gets the drop on him, especially given Raiden and Dio both have enhanced senses that can sense motion from hundreds of meters (The AR sensors, and Dio just has superhuman hearing). Borderline blitz + time stop let's them act first.

But then EV in regeneration is just a bunch of feathers, so like time stopping while they're like that is just ******* useless, and how good are their senses, especially in sensing shit behind them or out of sight? EV can spawn kilometers away from JTR and can still be in range for the power null. And besides, they're max SBA distance away, so like seriously? They'd only know the general direction, while the Xtreme IA tips EV off immediately into combat. Hundreds of meters can't do shit against this.

If your argument is they attack, slice him up, and then just stop, it wouldn't matter because the instant he twitches they're stopping time again quicker than he can retaliate (hell even in canon, DIO was able to stop time quick enough while being blindsided and stabbed, that the dude who stabbed him in the head couldn't even twitch his sword, and that was WHILE Dio was distracted and looking the other way), now toss in Raiden's sensors and it just isn't happening, from there they're 100% going with the vampire hax, assuming they didn't lead with that to begin due to lack of options anyway.

He doesn't twitch and regen like some plebian with a body; he'd poof first then be 'reconstructed' by feathers AND he can control where he can resurface back. This is essentially why I've been talking about this, he doesn't regen Alex Mercer style in that regard.

This is also ignoring the fear aura which is still going to work just fine which either leads to this dude being Jack's minion, him fleeing for his life and thus self BFR, or just standing there unable to act.
Plus, there's still the mindhax Dio has, like, actual mindhax, not flesh buds, but eye contact based hypnosis, which this dude also doesn't have resistance for. BUT, Flesh Buds might work anyway? Dio can implant spores that are cellular in scale, and TW has the precision and phasing to easily implant them without needing to break skin (Though Dio has fusionism anyway so....).
And then there's the multiple ways Dio can convert into a underling like inserting his OWN life essence into them, which also works (This lad doesn't resist corruption so, ya know). Id say blood or vampire essence but that might be covered by bio res, I'm unsure but it ultimately doesn't matter.
Actually, checking the profiles again, idk why I thought this dude had disease res, biomanip res, etc, Dio can screw him over so many ways it isn't even funny, can turn him into a mindless monster, mindcontrol him (does this dude's weapon effect himself? He could tell him to commit suicide or something), insert zombie slop into him which makes him a minion too, even use his own blood to make him a zealot.

I love how you're basically trying to have DIO do all these things when they have to go through the ******* suit first.
Ok biomanip and mindhax is fair, but please follow your advice and add that disease manip into his profiles.
Also, thanks to the bugster virus that all riders resist, almost all of DIO's shit is absolutely and utterly resisted.

 

[Chariot190]

Actually, I'm not saying Eternal literally has fear hax resist. What can I add when he doesn't have resist to fear hax in the first place?

Literally nothing? It means this isn't a point to even be argued.

Speaking of shit that's not in profiles, nothing you said that's supernatural willpower is even found in the profiles, not even in big dick Jotaro's. If anything, this just means that his fear hax can be handled by those without supernatural willpower.

No, it means they're outdated, not that Dio is.
Dio has the ability listed. A character not having the proper resistances listed doesn't void the fact Dio LITERALLY has that shit listed already.
Don't try to pretend shit don't work. You're basically doing the equivalent of arguing say, Ice Arrows from Zelda having bad cold because like half the profiles who can tank it don't have cold res updated, even tho Link's page straight up has extreme cold and ice manip and even points out how they can flash freeze lava and exploding volcanos.
That isn't how this wiki works my dude.
And in the end it literally doesn't matter because this dude doesn't have shit to stop this.

Also thinking on it, Kira literally has supwill for scaling to Jotaro, so if you're gonna play the "well other profile has it" game down below, it doesn't matter even then.

Falchion's entire faction was to deal with monsters that are a fuckton more terrifying than whatever shit DIO can throw,

The ability has fuckall to do with being "scary", it's hax, it JUST makes you extremely scared for no conceivable reason, you don't even have to know Dio is around or it's being used, it works all the same. You've been told this multiple times.

And by this logic, The World is stated to have the strongest fear aura of any Stand, as stated in the scan on profile. Which includes things the are abstract laws of nature, can blow up the universe and time itself, literally erase you and your soul from existence, etc.

I'm not playing this game with you, maybe if the fear hax was due to Dio himself being scary I'd be like ok, but that is NOT how this works.
It's made even worse because Dio actually DOES have an evil aura himself as shown in Part 1, and it's kinda ass and not at all the same thing.

and are constantly training to fight against shit like that. If anything, that alone would have DIO's fear hax at best keep them on the edge, and at worse, not even work at all. I was willing to be lenient, but all bets are off now.

This isn't how the wiki works, fear hax works, he has zero res. Get it added.
The fear hax isn't "lol scary", you're being deliberately ignorant and it's annoying af.

You don't "get to be lenient", this is straight up against the rules my dude, you don't decide this.

Except that it is! You're looking at the wrong place, my guy.
Xtreme's ability originally belongs to Kamen Rider W, whose profile states:

I'm looking at his profile, why would I hot potato other profiles?
The justification used on his profile, is mediocre at best.
Given you JUST tried to pull "well actually profiles say-" shit on me, in a case that ultimately doesn't aid you mind you, buuuuuuuuuut....

If we're doing the "they have this, that this other profile has".

Joseph Joestar

Joseph Joestar, nicknamed JoJo, is the grandson of Jonathan Joestar and the main protagonist of Part II: Battle Tendency. Raised by his grandmother Erina, Joseph showcased the ability to use Hamon at an early age, having inherited it from his grandfather and his mother, Elizabeth, who had gone...

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Planetary clairvoyance and ESP for Dio.
Jack also has poison manip that converts into minions as below too via extract, which Dio's profile notes he has.

Secondly, those are underwhelming because they do not pose remotely a single threat to a fusion of someone that can power null conceptually and a guy who holds literal void for a sword. Also, they are in possession of a book that can destroy two ******* worlds- Ok enough dick measuring. Even in character, they'd be unfazed by knowing about them tbh.

Not how it works.
You don't get to just say "it dont work because i dont want it to", it's hax. You either have resistance, or you do not. There is no inbetween. He doesn't.
It doesn't matter if he knows everything Dio can do, it doesn't matter if he doesn't think Dio himself isn't scary. The ability enforces extreme bouts of terror regardless.

And yeah a sword, have fun hitting it.

You know what's ironic? Dio's manslave is a literal void of nothingness that leads to an infinite sized dark dimension. TW's fear hax > That thing's aura.

I initially thought the mindhax was due to Flesh Bud, but I was a baka mitai dame da ne.
Speaking of which, is that mindhax an instantaneous genjutsu ahh move or does it take time, since they're like 4 ******* kilometers apart?

It's instant as long as eye contact is made.
4km apart is useless, the dude can literally stop time and has wacky movement speed?

I'm going to need clarification on this, since I couldn't find any other techniques pertaining to life drain besides maybe doing the sucky sucky on EV's neck, but at the same time, funni rider suit go brr.

Huh? There seems to be a misunderstanding, I've been arguing about converting dude's into minions, which Dio has like 4-5 ways to. One such way, is life drain, That doesn't work, so it gets dropped but the other like 3-4 still work fine.

but at the same time, funni rider suit go brr.

Dio has fusionism, he can phase his body into shit. The World also has layered phasing. Also HF slop just kinda cuts the suit open zero diff.
The life drain is sucky sucky tho, but why does that matter, you already established life drain wouldn't work because he has none? That I'm willing to actually give you.

EDIT: I read the entire post. Funni Spandex rider suit go brr regardless

I mean no that really wouldn't stop much due to phasing, and the fact he could like, stop time, quantum dura neg the suit, and just drain from the cut assuming he had some.
Which is also why none of his other stuff gets stopped either, the suit is basically aesthetics at this point, it offers zero actual protection due to the aforementioned reasons.

Disregard this, not in the profiles. Eternal AnPr shit will come some time in the future. It doesn't exist now.

Well, there ya go then

SNIP

Ursula can see multiple futures and she's fodder to Mantis

Saber has defeated two Caliburs, and every member of the swords of logos can fight against someone that basically uses King Crimson abilities via pure skill alone.

Mantis and The Sorrow have far better precog compared to King Crimson. Actually thinking on it, think Snake and BB both have funny precog res due to Ursula and Mantis.
But this legit doesn't matter, this dude could know EVERYTHING Jack is gonna do, it doesn't actually help stop it as Jack borderline blitzes and gets it off free due to time stop.

It all depends on whatever tf JTR does first, tbh. If he's just going to hack away at EV, low godly regen and funni immortality go brr AND he can teleport to a different location as he regenerates!

And? You keep forgetting this dude has time stop. And unless he teleports like across the planet just to regen, which mind you his teleportation doesn't even have range listed so that's never a good sign, it won't help. Raiden's sensors work just fine at that distance, AND Dio has planetary clairvoyance with Hermit Purple 2 that works on all sorts of shit (Dio himself has a feat of using it on japan, singapore, and more while in Egypt), including the very dirt on the ground.

This is actually kinda useless, he teleports and they'd know where he is instantly due to planetary clairvoyance in which they either stop time and just rush to wherever he teleported to (don't forget time stop increases with every use) or just wait for his ass to inevitably teleport back given he'd kinda have to due to his attack range being only a few hundred meters.

You're basically trying to hack into a simple machine that just suits people up. That's like trying to hack a kettle.

I mean, yep. Stop it from suiting up, undo the suit up. If it works, it works

Also fusion of the Lost Driver and Falchion's driver means it's not just tech anymore. So gabagool.

That isn't what it means at all, it means it has facets of both if you mean these two characters' things being fused.
If you mean a in canon thing, if you post proof I'll accept it as the profiles don't deny it, but if you just mean them being fused for the match, they don't LOSE aspects, they gain both.

Falchion Driver (and blade) comes from ancient times says hello.

It could be 10 billion years old or a quadrillion years into the future.
Is it tech? Does it have tech res? No? Ok so it'd work?

That's like calling Silver Chariot tech cuz it's metal. If you think that's stupid, that's because it is.

I think it's stupid because Chariot isn't metal but noncorporal spirit energy, like, not even taking the form of metal, it just isn't metal to begin with it's just the visual form the energy take.

I'm not given a reason why you think it's tech beyond "It henshins by doing things to a belt".

That WOULD be a good enough reason thinking on it. Burden is kind of on you to proof it isn't.
Far as I'm concerned, it looks like tech, it acts like tech, it is physically tech, it's probably tech even it if utilizes some wacky power sources. Why wouldn't it be treated as a type of technology?

Tell that to Kuuga, who's completely biological.

I mean good for him, we aren't talking about his thou.

Something something they'd overcompensate to kill EV,

Not a good enough argument.
Jack and Raiden are both hyper analytical and cautious, and Dio in particular actively tries to make any remotely useful entity into a subordinate.
Given the fact that quantum duraneg wouldn't even kill himself, you're kinda jus saying they'd do for the **** of it.

which leads to something something EV respawns and regens somewhere else.

Which means nothing because Hermit Purple has planetary clairvoyance, most notably used to track things.

EV can do any actions while regenning, even if they're essentially feathers and uninteractible, so trying to time stop camp EV doesn't work.

Yes it would? He wouldn't even have time to, the instant he twitches, Jack is stopping time again, not only is he quicker on the draw given time stop is thought based, but his thinking and perception speed is 4x that of this lad's, so not only is he quicker on the draw, he can get multiple off before lad's first action.

Time Stop would only work once, since EV would be back with the power null already firing.

Time Stop working once is all they need.
And the power null isn't unavoidable, you forget jack is 4x quicker here ON TOP of the time stop. The instant this dude even thinks once, Jack has already gotten off 4 time stops.

Hell case and point, power null "already firing", he has to actually do it, it isn't thought based or anything.

I mean, would Jack even know it's power null until it's too late?

He doesn't need to.
They'd avoid any and everything thrown at them if they aren't 100% sure what it is, and that includes actively trying to prevent it, mostly in part due to Dio's extensive knowledge on Stands and how abstract or potentially instant winning they'd be.

Tbh Jack would probably assume this dude is a cyborg stand user based solely on appearance and his unconventional properties. Which in and of itself is enough to trip every flag imaginable for Jack to be hyperanal.

Keep in mind, this power null spawns on enemies the moment it's activated.

It's activated, meaning he has to activate. And I'm assuming it isn't thought based right?
So, why exactly is that happening before Jack gets off multiple thought based time stops, each longer than the last?

Like even in the worst case scenario, where he dices and doesn't convert, he's still getting that second one off before Void retaliates.

Unlike EV, there's nothing telling Jack if he's going to be useful besides being immortal and regenning hard.

The fact he's an immortal regenning dude that can survive quantum duraneg, is already useful?
The fact he literally looks like a cyborg and is tough af based just on how much resistance his skin gives on contact.
That's already a hell of a lot better than most dudes Dio goes out of his way to recruit.

And you shot yourself in the foot anyway, if this dude doesn't cower in his presence due to the aura, that alone would be reason enough for him to want him as a minion.
And if he doesn't, well he doesn't and gets crippled by the fear aura.

Take your pick.

That's one out of one since nothing else counts as life absorption anymore. The rest is completely unrelated.

Tf are you yapping about? He has multiple ways to convert people into minions? Life drain is just one method.

I mean, if that's the case, then I can just disregard everything you say, just write my explanation and say 'therefore EV FRA' then **** off without even considering your response.

I mean you're literally already doing that. The whole fear argument is a prime example, hate to break it to you but you aren't allowed to say shit like that.

He doesn't have resistance. You can argue whatever the you want about why it wouldn't work, you can completely disregard the fact you've been told like a dozen times it has nothing to do with shit being actually scary, if his ass don't got it, welp.

Everything I've mentioned is on Dio's profile. Except disease manip apparently because some dude removed it without a CRT for some god forsaken reason, I don't even really think I should exempt that tbh, the fact it isn't there isn't accepted. Or kinda, it actually wasn't disease manip, it was poison manip, that's my bad.

But I don't want to be a dick, do I? You preach gospel for profiles, yet when something is EXPLICITLY written in the profile, you disregard it as if you don't look at profiles. Don't contradict yourself.

I read the profiles actually linked.
Either way i don't care.

But then EV in regeneration is just a bunch of feathers,

And? They can stop time quicker then he can retaliate back. That's also IF he gets the chance to regen. Don't forget there's still a solid 50/50 he's getting hit with the funny vampire slop in the initial time stop. If that happens, it never even gets to that point.

so like time stopping while they're like that is just ******* useless, and how good are their senses, especially in sensing shit behind them or out of sight?

I literally said Raiden has multi km senses already? That's like, omnidirectional all around him.
Raiden's even paints a map of the whole area around him, the locations of items, enemies, and hell even ghosts. Tells him the exact distance to down to the cm.

EV can spawn kilometers away from JTR and can still be in range for the power null.

Not good enough then, Raiden's AR sensors have multi km range as mention a few posts ago, Hermit Purple has planetary clairvoyance so even then, Jack is gonna be passively 4x faster in every facet due to Ripper Mode, and time stop lets him cross that distance and get right back on his ass and probably even retaliate given he has Raiden's movement speed now (Or even High Dio's given he could cover a few km in 7 seconds).

And besides, they're max SBA distance away, so like seriously? They'd only know the general direction, while the Xtreme IA tips EV off immediately into combat. Hundreds of meters can't do shit against this.

Huh? Time Stop. Like what's there to not get?
This due has thought based time stop, his ass would need to start like at least a good dozen km away to make it so jack can't just fly at him with Raiden's movement speed in one time stop.
The fact Raiden, again, has sensors that can detect stuff km and Dio's clairvoyance, I'm not sure what your point even is? It's a nonfactor.

In fact, you're sabotaging your own argument. I don't think I need to mention this, but this dude only has Hundreds of Meters of range with his ranged attacks, this very argument screws him over just as much.

Unless you wanna argue something wild like "range gets buffed to highest ranged option", in which case everything Jack has becomes Universal due to Time Stop. Which is dumb mind you, but ya know.

He doesn't twitch and regen like some plebian with a body; he'd poof first then be 'reconstructed' by feathers AND he can control where he can resurface back.

You don't think feathers count as twitching?

This is essentially why I've been talking about this, he doesn't regen Alex Mercer style in that regard.


I love how you're basically trying to have DIO do all these things when they have to go through the ******* suit first.

The suit is useless? Like, he has Raiden's shit too, as in, quantum duraneg.
The suit is a literal nonfactor.
Unless the suit resists quantum duraneg, layered phasing, whatever, this is a nonargument. I legit didn't even think I had to elaborate on that facet, thought it spoke for itself given the HF slop has already long since been mentioned.

Ok biomanip and mindhax is fair, but please follow your advice and add that disease manip into his profiles.

As above, that shit WAS on his profile. Some goon removed it without a CRT. Also tweaked a lot of shit actually despite there haven't being a Dio CRT in like at least a year or two.
But, it doesn't matter, biomanip is (and so is a direct mention of the vampire essence).

Also, thanks to the bugster virus that all riders resist, almost all of DIO's shit is absolutely and utterly resisted.

"Disease Manipulation, Data Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement and Existence Erasure (Legend Riders can fight Bugsters in their civilian forms without any signs of being affected by the Bugster virus)"

Am I blind? Where does that cover the corruption, mindhax, fusionism, biomanip, etc?

Literally none of that is listed, in fact you JUST argued Dio doesn't have disease manip here, so it literally doesn't cover a single thing of his?

We're still back where we started.
Fear hax is working, continuously arguing it's lol scary so it's negged when that literally isn't a factor, all while this dude doesn't have fear hax res, shuts the match down before it even begins. Until he gets it, there's no real argument to be had.
But for argument's sake, assuming he DOES resist it, that alone is going to make Jack want him as a subordinate if he can will through it, from there there's eye contact based mindhax that can control people to the point of giving pretty damn complex commands including what is basically suicide or straight up letting Dio convert them, biomanip which turns people into minions, poison manip if ya wanna count the ironic fact that Jack has it listed properly though you can ignore that if ya want as Dio lacks it atm, funnily enough necromancy given this dude is undead so giving his blood would make him a vampire zealot while ALSO bringing him back to life (which ironically would basically undo the fact he doesn't have life force, though by that point he's already a minion). There's other stuff like implanting his cells to turn others mindless but whatever i dont think thats listed but it's something he wouldnt lead with anyway.
Every one of those, this dude doesn't resist. And every one of those, Jack can get off risk free due to time stop. And every one of those, is liable to be used immediately if Void somehow gets passed fear hax.
You mentioned suits but fusionism, phasing and just the twenty quantum duraneg options make that a non-factor, it may as well not even be there, and when you couple the fact the every time stop gets longer, Jack is fast enough to abuse tf out each time stop and is cautious enough to run through his options anyway, and is 4x quicker so even if they opt to slice and dice and fail initially, theyre still getting that second time stop in before Void can follow up to counter.

 

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Literally nothing? It means this isn't a point to even be argued.

Yea idk it had to be brought up between us lol. Brain Fart moment.

The ability has fuckall to do with being "scary", it's hax, it JUST makes you extremely scared for no conceivable reason, you don't even have to know Dio is around or it's being used, it works all the same. You've been told this multiple times.

And by this logic, The World is stated to have the strongest fear aura of any Stand, as stated in the scan on profile. Which includes things the are abstract laws of nature, can blow up the universe and time itself, literally erase you and your soul from existence, etc.

I'm not playing this game with you, maybe if the fear hax was due to Dio himself being scary I'd be like ok, but that is NOT how this works.
It's made even worse because Dio actually DOES have an evil aura himself as shown in Part 1, and it's kinda ass and not at all the same thing.

No, it means they're outdated, not that Dio is.
Dio has the ability listed. A character not having the proper resistances listed doesn't void the fact Dio LITERALLY has that shit listed already.

Except you're the one who dragged me into the profiles game first. Don't play games like that if you can't handle the heat.

Even then, his aura has to reach 4 ******* kilometres before it takes effect, and EVEN THEN the potency is highest when he's going to be up on EV's grill. The Crusaders were still relatively fine, long before they got close to the coffin. From the scan in the profile, it shows just that. EV would be popping his powernull long before that can go down.

I'm looking at his profile, why would I hot potato other profiles?
The justification used on his profile, is mediocre at best.
Given you JUST tried to pull "well actually profiles say-" shit on me, in a case that ultimately doesn't aid you mind you, buuuuuuuuuut....

If we're doing the "they have this, that this other profile has".

Because you're only looking at the two profiles from the fusion, while you bring up stuff from other profiles of the shit you support.

If we're doing the "they have this, that this other profile has".

Joseph Joestar

Joseph Joestar, nicknamed JoJo, is the grandson of Jonathan Joestar and the main protagonist of Part II: Battle Tendency. Raised by his grandmother Erina, Joseph showcased the ability to use Hamon at an early age, having inherited it from his grandfather and his mother, Elizabeth, who had gone...

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Planetary clairvoyance and ESP for Dio.
Jack also has poison manip that converts into minions as below too via extract, which Dio's profile notes he has.

My brother in christ, the time he has to do ******* spiritual photography won't be as fast as Eternal pulling a power null. Also where camera???

Not how it works.
You don't get to just say "it dont work because i dont want it to", it's hax. You either have resistance, or you do not. There is no inbetween. He doesn't.
It doesn't matter if he knows everything Dio can do, it doesn't matter if he doesn't think Dio himself isn't scary. The ability enforces extreme bouts of terror regardless.

And yeah a sword, have fun hitting it.

You know what's ironic? Dio's manslave is a literal void of nothingness that leads to an infinite sized dark dimension. TW's fear hax > That thing's aura.

The wincon isn't even the sword right now; he'd get his sword shit done when JTR can't do shit about it anymore.
Also, Vanilla Ice is just a downgrade of the book of ruin, which has 2 ******* C AP. So my point stands.

It's instant as long as eye contact is made.
4km apart is useless, the dude can literally stop time and has wacky movement speed?

I mean, they'd only know the general direction of their combatants. Also, who's to say that EV's eyes won't be closed? The IA would take precedence long before Time Stop even fires, and EV'd be closing his eyes before that shit comes in clutch.

Ursula can see multiple futures and she's fodder to Mantis

Nothing in Mantis' profile insinuates it's as impressive as Calibur's. No, sorry, can't give that to you.

Mantis and The Sorrow have far better precog compared to King Crimson. Actually thinking on it, think Snake and BB both have funny precog res due to Ursula and Mantis.
But this legit doesn't matter, this dude could know EVERYTHING Jack is gonna do, it doesn't actually help stop it as Jack borderline blitzes and gets it off free due to time stop.

Firstly, I was calling up Durendal because he literally has King Crimson powers that can erase time during fights. And guess what, all the Swords Of Logos members are able to tag him when he does that.
Secondly, shouldn't Raiden be in Blade Mode or Ripper Mode to blitz? I don't see JTR needing to go ripper/blade mode, at least not initially. Cyclone Memory can also already passively amp Eternal since the earth is surrounded by wind, so he'd catch up almost immediately. The act of pulling a powernull would be faster when utilising TK, which is thought-based already.

And? You keep forgetting this dude has time stop. And unless he teleports like across the planet just to regen, which mind you his teleportation doesn't even have range listed so that's never a good sign, it won't help. Raiden's sensors work just fine at that distance, AND Dio has planetary clairvoyance with Hermit Purple 2 that works on all sorts of shit (Dio himself has a feat of using it on japan, singapore, and more while in Egypt), including the very dirt on the ground.

This is actually kinda useless, he teleports and they'd know where he is instantly due to planetary clairvoyance in which they either stop time and just rush to wherever he teleported to (don't forget time stop increases with every use) or just wait for his ass to inevitably teleport back given he'd kinda have to due to his attack range being only a few hundred meters.

Smashing a photo camera is faster than power null? Don't make me laugh.
You yourself said that Raiden's sensors fire up to hundreds of meters, and DIO's Hermit Purple Clairvoyance needs a ******* camera. What in the **** is he going to smash in ******* Central Park? That shit is practically useless unless you get a camera.
If you want a range on his TP, he can TP across the world btw. The northen SOL base is well, in the North Pole, so connect the dots.

The fact he's an immortal regenning dude that can survive quantum duraneg, is already useful?
The fact he literally looks like a cyborg and is tough af based just on how much resistance his skin gives on contact.
That's already a hell of a lot better than most dudes Dio goes out of his way to recruit.

And you shot yourself in the foot anyway, if this dude doesn't cower in his presence due to the aura, that alone would be reason enough for him to want him as a minion.
And if he doesn't, well he doesn't and gets crippled by the fear aura.

Hey, minus the second point, how in the **** would JTR know all about that in the span of the first timestop, HMMM?
EV would be sliced and diced first thing in timestop before he can regen/be fear haxed.
He has to spend one timestop to even find out whatever EV's shtick is. And by the time he's done in that first time stop, EV would literally be somewhere else out of JTR's sight and senses.

And? They can stop time quicker then he can retaliate back. That's also IF he gets the chance to regen. Don't forget there's still a solid 50/50 he's getting hit with the funny vampire slop in the initial time stop. If that happens, it never even gets to that point.

I mean, what in the **** are you going to do to a bunch of feathers? You are literally trying to do things to a bunch of inanimate objects.

I literally said Raiden has multi km senses already? That's like, omnidirectional all around him.
Raiden's even paints a map of the whole area around him, the locations of items, enemies, and hell even ghosts. Tells him the exact distance to down to the cm.

especially given Raiden and Dio both have enhanced senses that can sense motion from hundreds of meters (The AR sensors, and Dio just has superhuman hearing)

Me when contradiction:

Not good enough then, Raiden's AR sensors have multi km range as mention a few posts ago,

especially given Raiden and Dio both have enhanced senses that can sense motion from hundreds of meters (The AR sensors, and Dio just has superhuman hearing)

Me when contradiction x2:

Hermit Purple has planetary clairvoyance so even then,

Me when I don't have a camera to smash:

Jack is gonna be passively 4x faster in every facet due to Ripper Mode

Would he even start off with Ripper mode? Besides that monsoon fight and that final Armstrong fight, there's no indication that he just pops that off without player controls.

,and time stop lets him cross that distance and get right back on his ass and probably even retaliate given he has Raiden's movement speed now (Or even High Dio's given he could cover a few km in 7 seconds).

I mean, by that time, the power null would've already gone off. And guess what, the activation would break time stop even if he tries to time stop the activation.

Huh? Time Stop. Like what's there to not get?
This due has thought based time stop, his ass would need to start like at least a good dozen km away to make it so jack can't just fly at him with Raiden's movement speed in one time stop.
The fact Raiden, again, has sensors that can detect stuff km and Dio's clairvoyance, I'm not sure what your point even is? It's a nonfactor.

especially given Raiden and Dio both have enhanced senses that can sense motion from hundreds of meters (The AR sensors, and Dio just has superhuman hearing)

Me when contradiction x3:

In fact, you're sabotaging your own argument. I don't think I need to mention this, but this dude only has Hundreds of Meters of range with his ranged attacks, this very argument screws him over just as much.

Eternal:
Standard Melee Range physically, Extended Melee Range with the Eternal Edge, (Kilometers with Eternal Requiem and ranged abilities), Complex Multiversal with Eternal and Zone Gaia Memory's Maximum Drive
Falchion:
Extended Melee Range with Kyomu. (Tens of Kilometers with ranged attacks)

Me when I don't read profiles for my enemies:

Unless you wanna argue something wild like "range gets buffed to highest ranged option", in which case everything Jack has becomes Universal due to Time Stop. Which is dumb mind you, but ya know.

If you want to go down that route, then EV would be complex multiversal. Another World version also has full power (but my ass forgor to have that in the profiles).

You don't think feathers count as twitching?

You think feathers are living things? Feathers form first, then combine into EV again. In fact, he can even come back from one feather in a multitude of feathers.

The suit is useless? Like, he has Raiden's shit too, as in, quantum duraneg.
The suit is a literal nonfactor.
Unless the suit resists quantum duraneg, layered phasing, whatever, this is a nonargument. I legit didn't even think I had to elaborate on that facet, thought it spoke for itself given the HF slop has already long since been mentioned.

I mean at any point the HF is used, the regen into feathers shit just happens. Falchion would just poof into feathers at that moment, so gabagool.

As above, that shit WAS on his profile. Some goon removed it without a CRT. Also tweaked a lot of shit actually despite there haven't being a Dio CRT in like at least a year or two.
But, it doesn't matter, biomanip is (and so is a direct mention of the vampire essence).

Not like that really matters anyways atm so ok.
I also found out that changing his biology/corrupting him and whatnot would just trigger the regen process and reset him back to normal.

"Disease Manipulation, Data Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement and Existence Erasure (Legend Riders can fight Bugsters in their civilian forms without any signs of being affected by the Bugster virus)"

Am I blind? Where does that cover the corruption, mindhax, fusionism, biomanip, etc?

Literally none of that is listed, in fact you JUST argued Dio doesn't have disease manip here, so it literally doesn't cover a single thing of his?

Oof my bad, you'll take this one.
But any outside change to EV's body that isn't by him would just trigger his regen process anyway, so that is actually unneeded now.

We're still back where we started.
Fear hax is working, continuously arguing it's lol scary so it's negged when that literally isn't a factor, all while this dude doesn't have fear hax res, shuts the match down before it even begins. Until he gets it, there's no real argument to be had.
But for argument's sake, assuming he DOES resist it, that alone is going to make Jack want him as a subordinate if he can will through it, from there there's eye contact based mindhax that can control people to the point of giving pretty damn complex commands including what is basically suicide or straight up letting Dio convert them, biomanip which turns people into minions, poison manip if ya wanna count the ironic fact that Jack has it listed properly though you can ignore that if ya want as Dio lacks it atm, funnily enough necromancy given this dude is undead so giving his blood would make him a vampire zealot while ALSO bringing him back to life (which ironically would basically undo the fact he doesn't have life force, though by that point he's already a minion). There's other stuff like implanting his cells to turn others mindless but whatever i dont think thats listed but it's something he wouldnt lead with anyway.
Every one of those, this dude doesn't resist. And every one of those, Jack can get off risk free due to time stop. And every one of those, is liable to be used immediately if Void somehow gets passed fear hax.
You mentioned suits but fusionism, phasing and just the twenty quantum duraneg options make that a non-factor, it may as well not even be there, and when you couple the fact the every time stop gets longer, Jack is fast enough to abuse tf out each time stop and is cautious enough to run through his options anyway, and is 4x quicker so even if they opt to slice and dice and fail initially, theyre still getting that second time stop in before Void can follow up to counter.

New information has EV being able to regen out of anything when his body is changed by outside shit that isn't his own. Also also, just holding the Kyomu sword alone would nullify whatever DIO tries to do to his body.
Actually scratch that, wouldn't the presense of the void sword just nullify time stop itself? Yea, no, it just ***** DIO's shit up even before he pops that shit off.

 

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Except you're the one who dragged me into the profiles game first. Don't play games like that if you can't handle the heat.

Then stop arguing shit that isn't on them.

Even then, his aura has to reach 4 ******* kilometres before it takes effect,

Time stop.
Also yeah, it was able to effect the crusaders long before they got to his mansion?

and EVEN THEN the potency is highest when he's going to be up on EV's grill.

Uh, no? That isn't how it works? That isn't stated or mentioned anywhere in Jojo, don't add arbitrary quirks that don't actually exist.

The Crusaders were still relatively fine, long before they got close to the coffin.

Oh you really aren't reading the scans huh?
Dio's aura was able to effect them before they even entered his mansion.

From the scan in the profile, it shows just that. EV would be popping his powernull long before that can go down.

Why lie?


Like why ACTUALLY? Did you just ignore the first few scans? The coffin is a completely different scene btw.
You're acting like this aura only happens once or twice.

Now before you go on about "oh they weren't that effected", already established they're outdated, not that a CRT isn't coming for the whole Part soon but that's beside the point.
We know what Dio's fear hax does to someone without resistance, because we see it twice.
Even IF you wanna argue the blatantly wrong it barely effected them and wiki says nothing which is extremely disingenuous to the point you'd be sabotaging your own credibility, and isn't how the wiki works anyway.
His ass don't even got res to that facet of so either way.

Not that I'm letting that fly mind you, that isn't how it works, we know how it effects those without sufficient capabilities, and it's all on the profile already thus pretending otherwise just for tf of it ain't happening.

Because you're only looking at the two profiles from the fusion, while you bring up stuff from other profiles of the shit you support.

Except I'm not? Everything is on the profiles, the ONLY reason other profiles get brought up is because you keep yapping about pointless shit like resistances he doesn't actually have. Like yeah Jotaro's profile got brought up for example, because YOU argued he'd just shrug it off for whatever reason. That's on you lad.

My brother in christ, the time he has to do ******* spiritual photography won't be as fast as Eternal pulling a power null. Also where camera???

Huh? He doesn't need a camera? He can use anything, whether it's the dirt on the ground
"It can even conjure a map on a substance such as dust or ash, showcasing the path to a desired item, in some cases even showing real-time movement of the item or target in question."
Dio himself has used things like crystals too. This shit is on the Hermit Purple profile lad. Technically there's WAY more ways it can be used, but atm only dirt and ash is listed.

Hermit Purple's Clairvoyance has absolutely zero need to be used with a camera, the goddam dirt on the ground is a sufficient conduit, all a camera does is give visual clarity, but in this case a detailed geographical map with his exact location marked would be better anyway.
And also time stop.

Like, time stop dude, everything he does is faster, he can do anything he wants straight up free, AND he is literally faster because of Ripper Mode amping his speed in all categories by 4x, technically it'd be 10 but the tourney caps it at 4x.

The wincon isn't even the sword right now; he'd get his sword shit done when JTR can't do shit about it anymore.

Time Stop.
The fact he'd probably already turned.
A bunch of shit really, fight won't even get that far.

Also, Vanilla Ice is just a downgrade of the book of ruin, which has 2 ******* C AP. So my point stands.

Youre backpedaling.
You said void sword, well guess what, Ice's has a infinite void and he's an actual manslave to Dio.

Book of Ruin is something different.

Not that this matters because Book of Ruin doesn't have fear hax. And it isn't like 2-C hax stands don't exist, which given TW has the most menacing fear aura of any stand, this whole argument is a waste of time, and wouldn't fly regardless because this is HAX not ooooh scary.

I mean, they'd only know the general direction of their combatants.

Huh? SBA is they start in view of each other, even at 4km. Now, at 4km it might be hard to actually see each other, but they know where each other is located.

But like, Dio and Raiden have enhanced vision? This is a literal nonargument.
Hell Dio can share his vision with TW which can see stuff at a sub-microscopic scale and see things dozens of kms away as if they were right next to him. Which, IS listed btw,

• Enhanced Senses (Has the same precision capabilities as Star Platinum)
• Precision: Star Platinum is incredibly precise, capable of catching a bullet inches away from Jotaro shooting himself as a test and surgically removing DIO's flesh buds from Polnareff and Kakyoin's brains without causing any damage, something that even the world's greatest surgeons couldn't accomplish. It was also able to accurately sketch a photorealistic drawing of a tsetse fly from a small, low-quality photo, as well as catching the Lovers, an incredibly small Stand. Lastly, its eyesight can make out objects from kilometers away as well as catch Daniel J. D'Arby cheating by second dealing.

Also, who's to say that EV's eyes won't be closed?

Dog you don't start a match with your eyes closed.
Time Stop is literally quicker than that, it's thought based.
Couple that with Jack being innately 4x quicker due to Ripper Mode, he will never get the chance to close his eyes.

The IA would take precedence long before Time Stop even fires,

Time Stop is a lead, is thought based, and Jack is going to be thinking at 4x the speed of him.
In the time it takes him to even think about closing his eyes or thinking about how to go about fighting Jack or what he should do next, Jack would have already gotten 4 time stops off and by then would know damn well what would and wouldn't work assuming he didn't already lead with stuff that would.

and EV'd be closing his eyes before that shit comes in clutch.

What? Time Stop is instant and thought based wtf are you talking about?

Nothing in Mantis' profile insinuates it's as impressive as Calibur's. No, sorry, can't give that to you.

I legit don't care given this dude doesn't have resistances listed to begin with.

Firstly, I was calling up Durendal because he literally has King Crimson powers that can erase time during fights. And guess what, all the Swords Of Logos members are able to tag him when he does that.

Then his Time Skip is pretty dogass comparatively given King Crimson's deletes the universe briefly making it so nothing can touch him as they no longer exist, as accepted in the King Crimson blog.

Secondly, shouldn't Raiden be in Blade Mode or Ripper Mode to blitz? I don't see JTR needing to go ripper/blade mode, at least not initially.

What? Raiden spams that shit, and it's thought based, hell technically it's mental state based, which might even be better.

He doesn't need to go into it, given Time Stop is thought based, but not needing to, and doing it anyway because he's a hyper cautious mf who spams it in character anyway, is another thing entirely. Ripper Mode is Raiden's lead after awhile, and even him being slightly miffed is enough to activate it.
And as for Blade Mode, the activation for that is just him focusing so it'd be activated regardless.

Cyclone Memory can also already passively amp Eternal since the earth is surrounded by wind, so he'd catch up almost immediately.

Useless. Raiden has an stated actual multiplier, an arbitrary speed amp doesn't compare.
Stated values > non-stated on this wiki. It's just treated as a unquantifiable amp otherwise.

You'd need to prove it can amp him to the extent of Ripper Mode which lets Raiden actually straight up statue people as fast as his base self, and perform hundreds of actions before they can react once.

The act of pulling a powernull would be faster when utilising TK, which is thought-based already.

Time Stop + 4x speedamp.
He's going to be quicker on the draw everytime no matter what.

And I'm not seeing anything saying Power Null is thought based, even looking up clips it looks more gesture based if anything.

Smashing a photo camera is faster than power null? Don't make me laugh.

You're being actively ignorant. I straight up linked you HP's profile, it doesn't need a camera.
Also Time Stop, also speed amp, combined.

You yourself said that Raiden's sensors fire up to hundreds of meters, and DIO's Hermit Purple Clairvoyance needs a ******* camera.

Why accuse me of saying shit I never did?
I never once ever said Dio's needed a camera, because it doesn't. Stop being obtuse.
I said his sensors fire up to kilometers actually, multiple times, even before I replied to you.

What in the ** is he going to smash in ***** Central Park? That shit is practically useless unless you get a camera.

Please stop talking.

If you want a range on his TP, he can TP across the world btw. The northen SOL base is well, in the North Pole, so connect the dots.

And yet, none of his moves on profile have that range, so his ass is forced to come back regardless. instant he does, he's being sensed and time stop blitzed.

Which, AGAIN, is assuming he isn't already converted.

Hey, minus the second point, how in the **** would JTR know all about that in the span of the first timestop, HMMM?

His own info analysis, Raiden has that ya know, though it isn't as good, it's good enough to tell him a handful of random stuff that'd get Dio rubbing his hands.
Plus the fact jack would be interacting with him and would know due to his super ultra micro precision due to The World that he's built extremely tough and is vastly superhuman.
Which, is enough to coerce Dio into wanting him as a minion on sight.

Also the fact his ass looks like a cyborg and cyborgs can survive being shredded into thousands of pieces by said quantum duraneg so like, kinda just something he'd assume based on the few thousand others he's fought.

I would have assumed this was self-evident no?

EV would be sliced and diced first thing in timestop before he can regen/be fear haxed.

Fear hax is passive if TW is in use, technically less, it doesn't actually have to manifest fully.
Also again no, fear hax is working just fine. He has zero resistance, not even a bit. Even pathetically weak fear hax far below Dio's would be enough to stop him, he has absolutely zero defenses against that ability.

He has to spend one timestop to even find out whatever EV's shtick is. And by the time he's done in that first time stop,

Except no, he's at the very least going to assume he's a cyborg, and thus in theory can survive being shredded. you're ignoring Raiden has decent info analysis himself.
The fact he'd assumed to be a cyborg would be reason enough for Jack to want him as a minion.
If fear hax isn't working on him, even though it would but argument's sake, that would just hard confirm it as someone who can stand up to him is something Dio actively praises and likes in a subordinate .

You're just assuming he's gonna get cut and that's all Jack would ever do when Dio's lead is always recruiting if possible through whatever means, only when that isn't a option, does he change it to attempting to kill right away.

EV would literally be somewhere else out of JTR's sight and senses.

And yet lacks the range to follow up on it, forcing him to come back, and the distance he needs to come back to, isn't far enough to stop Jack from following up due to his quicker thought process due to amps, and then he gets cooked by fear hax assuming he wasn't already because we're just pretending otherwise ig, and time stop blitzed.

I mean, what in the **** are you going to do to a bunch of feathers? You are literally trying to do things to a bunch of inanimate objects.

So?
Did you just ignore half the thing you replied to. It almost certainly doesn't even get that far, they're likely leading with vampire slop in time stop because getting a cool ass cyborg with a sword as a lackey is pretty useful.

Me when contradiction:

Huh?
I specified hundreds of meters there, because this dude's max range is only listed as hundreds of meters, or well I thought it was, I must've been looking at Samus' profile, it was late my bad.
But the point was that's how close he'd have to be to use shit.
As in, Raiden's sensors would be well within range, ie, hundreds of meters, to pick him up.
Stop acting obnoxious dude, a lil heat is fine but this is just kinda ACTING LIKE a smartass, I'm legally obligated to preface this with saying you're acting like, as opposed to you are, and you don't need to act like that to get your point across.

Me when contradiction x2:

Quoting the same thing twice isn't an argument.

Me when I don't have a camera to smash:

Me when

https://media.**********.net/attach...3ec488aa&=&animated=true&width=625&height=353

I even linked the profile.

Joseph could use it to mark a target's location that he literally had no idea where it was, using just dirt on the ground, in a split second, while being attacked by his own body.
Dio's Hermit Purple >>> Joseph's, but also throw in if Joseph could like, ya know, stop time and had a speed amp to do that free without any risk to himself or wasting time.

Would he even start off with Ripper mode? Besides that monsoon fight and that final Armstrong fight, there's no indication that he just pops that off without player controls.

He enters it CONSTANTLY in QTE's, almost every QTE even has him enter Blade Mode automatically.
And Ripper Mode is just Blade Mode but enhanced due to accepting his true nature and stuff.

Hell even being slightly annoyed can push him into it,


It's all just mental state activation. Blade Mode is him being focused. RM is that but like, better because he kills now.

So yes, he would, from the hundreds of QTE's, to in character boss fights and scripted sequences, to the whole point of the game being using Blade Mode (eventually RM) to collect shit (which mind you, means we have hard confirmation he used it on dozens of random goons to collect their ID tags).

And even if he wouldn't, he would now because Part 3 Dio is hyper cautious and doesn't take risks he isn't 100% sure he can.

I mean, by that time, the power null would've already gone off. And guess what, the activation would break time stop even if he tries to time stop the activation.

No it wouldn't? What part of speed amp + thought based time stop are you not getting?
He's going to be quicker on the draw, it doesn't matter if he's hundreds of meters away, which mind

Me when contradiction x3:

Do you not hear yourself? Ignoring the fact your attitude is due to a misunderstanding on your end which just makes you look bad, that isn't an argument.

Me when I don't read profiles for my enemies:

It was late and I was reading another profile, this one is my bad.

Is what I would say but this doesn't change anything given Speed Amp + time Stop.
Raiden has MHS+ burst speed and can leap at said speeds to cover distances, but coupled with Dio's flight. Well, ya know, being able to cover 2704.513661km in a second, is pretty damning for a dude who gets 11 seconds and counting free to do whatever he wants. Speed is equal of course, but speed equal effects movement speed proportionally, which funnily enough, would be lowered to this value anyway as it's the slower value in the match.

Though, you should take your own advice there, how many times this post did ya yap about ******* cameras?

If you want to go down that route, then EV would be complex multiversal. Another World version also has full power (but my ass forgor to have that in the profiles).

Reading comprehension.
I literally said not that, and of course, the "profile doesnt have-" excuse.

You think feathers are living things? Feathers form first, then combine into EV again. In fact, he can even come back from one feather in a multitude of feathers.

Uh, yes actually, they're biological matter, which kinda sucks against biomanip.

I mean at any point the HF is used, the regen into feathers shit just happens. Falchion would just poof into feathers at that moment, so gabagool.

Time Stop.
You KNOW this shit is happening in time stop. He isn't turning to feathers if he's cut with a HF weapon in time stop, that isn't how that works, he's just gonna be cut, now if time resumes yeah sure that's fair, but being cut in time stop is just gonna cut a hole in him.

Not like that really matters anyways atm so ok.
I also found out that changing his biology/corrupting him and whatnot would just trigger the regen process and reset him back to normal.

Things that aren't on the profile. More at 11.

Regen doesn't stop corruption, whoever told you that is a liar. Regen also doesn't stop changing his biology . And for the record, it also doesn't stop shit like transmutation given we've had a bunch of wiki threads on these topics and how they relate to regen.

So not only is that not gonna fly, nice try, but the ONLY way that'd work is if he, in particular, in canon, has direct feats where his regen stops stuff like corruption.
And then from there it wouldn't matter anyway because it isn't on the profile.

Oof my bad, you'll take this one.
But any outside change to EV's body that isn't by him would just trigger his regen process anyway, so that is actually unneeded now.

That isn't on the profile, you're acting like his ass is the ReZero goon now. I KNOW that shit isn't true, I was watching some of his fight scenes ffs. The worst part is, corruption wouldn't even count, it effects one's mind and essence, arguably the soul even given Hamon purifying a soul undid it.

New information has EV being able to regen out of anything when his body is changed by outside shit that isn't his own.

Not on the profile. Like this is getting real tiresome dude, you're grasping. This is what, the 4th time you've jumped through hoops to try to disregard shit that he doesn't have any resistances toward.
You NEED this on the profile, if it isn't don't argue it, I'm willing to let stuff mention on profiles he has abilities of fly, but this doesn't even fall under that.
Again, mind you, corruption and stuff would still work even if what you're saying is true so it's utterly useless either way, but I'm done arguing stuff that isn't accepted ANYWHERE on the wiki.

Also also, just holding the Kyomu sword alone would nullify whatever DIO tries to do to his body.

Things that aren't on the profile more at 11. Also not even true because time stop, anything done and that'd take effect in time stop is gonna work for the sole fact none of this has time stop res.

Actually scratch that, wouldn't the presense of the void sword just nullify time stop itself? Yea, no, it just ***** DIO's shit up even before he pops that shit off.

No? Holy NLF wank. Why doesn't it nullify time itself passively? The flow of time even. That's effecting him is it not? That obviously doesn't happen.
Dio effecting time itself, not him btw, when said dude is explicitly confined to the flow of time that just got halted, is gonna work, especially because his ass don't get time stop res, AND because the null wouldn't even take effect to null in time, as there's 0 time passing as it is.

You're not even arguing the profiles now.
I don't even think you're actually thinking this shit through anyway given-
"Yo dude this dude CAN'T BE EFFECTED BY ANYTHING EVER, has low-godly, and his sword power nulls passively while any alterations to his body whatsoever auto neg like that Rezero goon".
Buuhan ain't ******* beating that dude even 5%, he literally cant even alter his physical body according to you.

You need to get off and make some CRT's, this is ridiculous, almost every thing you've argued is conjecture, doesn't work by wiki standards, and isn't even mentioned on the wiki as a whole.
As it stands he lacks fear hax res, this whole conversation is technically a waste of time as it never actually gets past this.

An example of it in action. (This is mentioned directly in the album btw, it's the scene Kak is yapping about).
As it stands time stop + speed amps makes Raiden quicker on the draw and counter, being able to get at least 4 off before Void gets even 1 thought in.
As it stands his sword doesn't ******* passively negate every ability including stuff we can see in real time not be nulled for just existing.
As it stands corruption works just fine, Jack would have ample reason to want to convert him at a glance, and it's entirely in character for Dio and is his most common tactic technically speaking in general.
Suit being cut isn't turning to feathers in time stop given time is stopped so it can't do anything till time resumes.
As it stands the whole literally incapable of being altered at all isn't on the profile, nor would that even be regen so I'm not humoring that.
I could go on, get shit added or drop it, both me and you know that at this point our stances evidently won't change.

 

[IxaSaga]

New information has EV being able to regen out of anything when his body is changed by outside shit that isn't his own. Also also, just holding the Kyomu sword alone would nullify whatever DIO tries to do to his body.
Actually scratch that, wouldn't the presense of the void sword just nullify time stop itself? Yea, no, it just ***** DIO's shit up even before he pops that shit off.

Falchion just wouldn't be affected by it. Although since he is fused with Eternal, then it would target the opponent specifically, making them unable to use their ability.

Falchion's profile hasn't been updated for like 3 years, so I apologize for the state it is in cause I made it LOL. I am currently working on a revision for him is a part of a ~15 profile revision + new physiology page + scaling page so it's going to take a while, but this is going to be a part of it: His suit and his sword is one and the same. That's a rule for every rider in his show.

While it is not said that way in the profile right now, it does say "Kyomu can return all attributes and powers into nothingness, nullifying it." and Kyomu is the source of his armor

If that really needs a revision, then it could be made, no biggie

 

[Shadowslash125]

Falchion just wouldn't be affected by it. Although since he is fused with Eternal, then it would target the opponent specifically, making them unable to use their ability.

Falchion's profile hasn't been updated for like 3 years, so I apologize for the state it is in cause I made it LOL. I am currently working on a revision for him is a part of a ~15 profile revision + new physiology page + scaling page so it's going to take a while, but this is going to be a part of it: His suit and his sword is one and the same. That's a rule for every rider in his show.

While it is not said that way in the profile right now, it does say "Kyomu can return all attributes and powers into nothingness, nullifying it." and Kyomu is the source of his armor

If that really needs a revision, then it could be made, no biggie

Huh, TIL. So, his sword forms his armor, which can powernull anything that hits it. Sure, the AP still goes through, and he can be hurt, but now just about any hax would be useless against it.

Yap

Mindhax via eye contact? Useless. Fear hax? Useless. Biomanip into fusion? Useless. Quantum Duraneg? Useless. Time Stop?
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!
(Don't take my tone too seriously. I'm speaking as if I'm DIO with his banter)

Technically, the time stop touches the sword/armor, which would just powernull it. Even if Time Stop somehow works, Jack can only attack in a futile effort while his powernull renders every hax applied to him nonexistent, and he regens out of every attack. Then EV can just haul ass into a second powernull that practically strips Jack of every powerset he has (vampiric, tech or otherwise).

 

[Chariot190]

Huh, TIL. So, his sword forms his armor, which can powernull anything that hits it. Sure, the AP still goes through, and he can be hurt, but now just about any hax would be useless against it.

Time stop.
It isnt nulling if time is stopped as no time passes for the actions to be negated.

Mindhax via eye contact? Useless.

No mindhax res, that isn't even touching the armor to begin with.

Fear hax? Useless.

No fear hax res, that isn't touching the armor to begin with.

Biomanip into fusion? Useless.

Biomanip isn't touching the armor it's touching the dude inside, that should be self evident by virtue of the ability itself.

Quantum Duraneg? Useless.

No res and most definitely not in stopped time.

Time Stop?
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!

This one doesn't even make sense unless you just ignore the mechanics of it completely.

Technically, the time stop touches the sword/armor, which would just powernull it.

It doesn't, this is actual cope. Unless you show me him passively negating the very flow of time itself by just existing, this is a non-argument as it doesn't have the showings to make this a founded argument.

It is stated explicitly that what TW does is halt the flow of time itself. He doesn't "freeze" other's time, he doesn't do this AOE thing that freezes time of whatever is caught within it well OVA DIO does, not canon DIO tho.
If this dude isn't nulling the flow of time passively, which he isn't, it'd work because that thing he's literally bound to and follows the laws of at all times is no longer flowing.

What you're arguing is basically this dude passively power nulls abilities used on shit that ISN'T him. Like for example, would he null say Prof X mindhaxing some dude down the street? No? Then why here?

And the worst part is, that doesn't even work, think this through, Dio stopping time and for argument's sake this dude isn't effected, what do you think happens? That he can move, act? Lmao no, time itself is still set to 0, if he doesn't have an actual resistance to time stopping itself or infinite speed or something he'd still be incapable of taking action.

Even if Time Stop somehow works, Jack can only attack in a futile effort while his powernull renders every hax applied to him nonexistent,

Except time is stopped dude.
And half the shit you're now saying doesn't magically work, would still work just fine.
Not only because this yap isn't even accepted, but because stuff like mind manip doesn't even make contact with the suit or sword.

and he regens out of every attack. Then EV can just haul ass into a second powernull that practically strips Jack of every powerset he has (vampiric, tech or otherwise).

You're actually grasping here.

Not only is none of this shit on the profile so I'm not humoring it, go make a CRT and then get this dude removed from the tourney because Buuhan no longer has a single wincondition against him. That, or actually argue what's accepted.

 

[Chariot190]

Falchion just wouldn't be affected by it. Although since he is fused with Eternal, then it would target the opponent specifically, making them unable to use their ability.

I have no idea wtf you just said but nothing even remotely implies that's how it works anywhere on wiki.
Plus I'm not even buying that, he's evidently still bound and follows the flow of time, if someone effects time itself to stop it, that isn't targeting him, it's targeting the thing he very evidently still abides by.

Falchion's profile hasn't been updated for like 3 years, so I apologize for the state it is in cause I made it LOL. I am currently working on a revision for him is a part of a ~15 profile revision + new physiology page + scaling page so it's going to take a while, but this is going to be a part of it: His suit and his sword is one and the same. That's a rule for every rider in his show.

While I appreciate the effort and understand that shit can take forever, ya can't just argue stuff that isn't on the profiles even if you have plans to get it on there as you never know if it'd actually be accepted.

Like I get it, shit takes forever but rules be rules.

While it is not said that way in the profile right now, it does say "Kyomu can return all attributes and powers into nothingness, nullifying it." and Kyomu is the source of his armor

We have numerous rules on stuff being a source of something not granting every ability that source has, and vice versa too.
It needs actual feats and showings for that to be accepted, if it has feats nulling stuff on contact that's cool and you're good to go, but if not, it's nothing.

If that really needs a revision, then it could be made, no biggie

It does? Dude what, you're arguing passive contact based power null, of course it does.

 

[Muteki616]

It is mind-boggling that Eternal and the Fear Dopant never interacted.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Just a minute, will be here in a bit.

 

[Chariot190]

Just a minute, will be here in a bit.

Please for the love of actual **** don't waste my time arguing shit that isn't accepted. Like actually don't.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Please for the love of actual **** don't waste my time arguing shit that isn't accepted. Like actually don't.

Nah it's a for real something.
Tldr I ****** up hard here and I shouldn't be doing that in a ******* fng of all things.
EDIT: CRT revision is up btw.

 

[Chariot190]

Mayhaps, but this does the beg the question.
I went to watch some of this stuff and like, not that I care at this point, but do you have an example of this dude passively nulling shit?

I seen scenes where he has nulled stuff, but it was only after saying he activated it first and then stuff got nulled. In fact even in the ongoing CRT atm for the powernull, the scan used has him go "yeah I activated it".

 

[Shadowslash125]

Mayhaps, but this does the beg the question.
I went to watch some of this stuff and like, not that I care at this point, but do you have an example of this dude passively nulling shit?

I seen scenes where he has nulled stuff, but it was only after saying he activated it first and then stuff got nulled. In fact even in the ongoing CRT atm for the powernull, the scan used has him go "yeah I activated it".

Ixa's the one with the scans since he's heralding the Saber Big Revision, and Falchion's the one you want, since Eternal powernull is activation-based, CRT or not.

Eternal Void should have two types of powernull, Eternal's activation powernull that can render anything useless, and Falchion's power null that is present in his sword and blade.

So basically, Falchion's armor is powered by the energy that comes from his sword, which is the one that can power null and void (but the energy is just powernull). Hence, why Falchion's able to eat all the Saber Riders' attacks without any other additional effects. Obviously, this doesn't magically make it so he can powernull the attack power, which is why he still dies when he eats a finisher to the face. Basically it's a reverse Sheer Force, where the opponent's attack effects get powernull and invalidated, leaving them with sheer AP instead. This is why it was a big deal when Kamen Rider Saber finally managed to neg his immortality and regen, which should be the one effect he is shown to not be able to powernull.

An example would be this scan in Saber's profile. Saber was not only able to counter Kyomu's effects, but redirect it back to Falchion with his own Kyomu effects together with his fire manip, which should be around or above his own fire manip. Mf just ate that shit like nothing (besides him being injured) else happened.
Doing shit with his sword means void manip is in play, where it just straight up erases the attacks as a whole, so there is that slight difference between his sword and his armor.

With that in mind, any non-attacks with offensive effects (like status effects, paralysis, etc.) would just practically be non-existent against Falchion. Now I'm not sure about time stop, but every other hax would just be powernulled by his armor.

Buuhan no longer has a single wincondition against him.

As for this, what his powernull doesn't extend to is effects that aren't directly affecting him. So he can't powernull Buu's illusion stuff and most importantly his immortality and regen null. Nor can he do any about Buuhan's amps and stuff, as well as the attacks themselves (if he chooses to tank it rather than use his sword, which deletes this part entirely). It'd be the end for him if he gets caught in a stack of galactic donuts and eat a kamehameha to the face.

What happens in this fusion is that Eternal's powernull covers for Falchion's powernull weakness: by literally erasing every possible ability in the opponent. For the Buu fight, since EV isn't usually trigger happy enough to use that first, the fight can go both ways. Here, EV's IA will tip him off of the timestop, which will prompt him to act fast.

Also CRT is in its grace period and will be applied 24hrs later.

 

[Chariot190]

As for this, what his powernull doesn't extend to is effects that aren't directly affecting him.

So like time stop???? Time Stop explicitly effects time itself, it's just that people are bound to time so they're effected by association.

So he can't powernull Buu's illusion stuff and most importantly his immortality and regen null. Nor can he do any about Buuhan's amps and stuff, as well as the attacks themselves (if he chooses to tank it rather than use his sword, which deletes this part entirely). It'd be the end for him if he gets caught in a stack of galactic donuts and eat a kamehameha to the face.

You realize ALL of that is ki and magic based right?
You literally already argued this dude would powernull stuff like Dio's vampire physiology, you alredy argued it'd null stuff like HF weaponry which is legit just something vibrating at a small enough scale.

Yet you're arguing it'd wouldn't nullify ki directly targeted at him now?
And that doesn't matter because Buuhan amping himself can't get past low-godly without absorption or transmutation, two things you've basically argued wouldn't work.

What happens in this fusion is that Eternal's powernull covers for Falchion's powernull weakness: by literally erasing every possible ability in the opponent. For the Buu fight, since EV isn't usually trigger happy enough to use that first, the fight can go both ways. Here, EV's IA will tip him off of the timestop, which will prompt him to act fast.

Did you just concede Power null isn't actually passive? If that's the case w ecycle back around to Dio leading with wanting him as a minion.

But no, Buuhan literally can't get past low-godly without absorption or transmutation magic.

 

[koopa3144]

Gonna note that Toei Buuhan is being use as the tiersetter and he does have low-godly regen negation on profile.

 

[Chritin]

But no, Buuhan literally can't get past low-godly without absorption or transmutation magic.

I think I missed an episode. Why are we on about Buuhan

 

[Chariot190]

I think I missed an episode. Why are we on about Buuhan

Tourney rules was only allowed to enter a goon if Buuhan had at least a 5% of beating them.
If this dude's arguments legit, Buuhan literally has nothing to beat him with.

 

[koopa3144]

Peeping at the arguments here, I'm a bit concerned about whether these two could really lose to Buu;

Going off profile, I thought JR's fear aura was just the chills and nausea, but if it makes peeps that have Supernatural Willpower flee or be scared still, I don't see what Buu can do against it.

As for EV, wouldn't his IA tell him about things like Buu's ability to transmute him or how Buu's Kamehameha could one-shot him if he charges it? If so, idk if Buu has any wincons against them since all they really need to do is pull out their sword to nullify all his offensive stuff.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Going off profile, I thought JR's fear aura was just the chills and nausea, but if it makes peeps that have Supernatural Willpower flee or be scared still, I don't see what Buu can do against it.

I mean, most of the Dio stuff doesn't work on Buu, so he'd kinda forced to just slice and dice him till nothing is left, which would take awhile.

 

[Chariot190]

Peeping at the arguments here, I'm a bit concerned about whether these two could really lose to Buu;

Going off profile, I thought JR's fear aura was just the chills and nausea, but if it makes peeps that have Supernatural Willpower flee or be scared still, I don't see what Buu can do against it.

Nuke the planet from a billion miles away.
Jack has some pretty dumb shit yeah, but literally just AP gapping him with something he can't avoid even with time stop (like a planetary blast) just kills him, can't dodge it no matter what nor can he stop it.

And while very unlikely, Buu has good TK and magic as shown when Fat Buu incapped a whole city and turned them to candy (Assuming this is Toei Buu? Is this is manga Buu then yeah nah his ass is cooked his TK LS isn't above Raiden).

Jack doesn't resist transmutation so candy beam stuff is a thing. Of course Jack would get the first attack in via time stop but Buu's physiology prevents stuff like corruption and flash freeze while it would work can't kill so useless, so that's off the table so if Buu leaves a lil piece of himself like against Vegito, plays dead, and then does it from space or something he should be able.

Now I'll admit, is that likely? Not really, but it isn't impossible.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Nuke the planet from a billion miles away.
Jack has some pretty dumb shit yeah, but literally just AP gapping him with something he can't avoid even with time stop (like a planetary blast) just kills him, can't dodge it no matter what nor can he stop it.

Was gonna say that, but Jack has Self-Sustenance, so think lad can survive in space. And the AP is equalized to Buuhan (I think).

Ig Toei Buuhan does have like a full on Cosmology nuke, but ehhh

 

[Chariot190]

Was gonna say that, but Jack has Self-Sustenance, so think lad can survive in space. And the AP is equalized to Buuhan (I think).

Yeah but he don't got space flight or anything so he's kinda just there and ki attacks can be amped to vaporize within a 2x gap.
Only way Jack surviving that is if we use anime Dio's regen feats, which we ain't.

Now obviously this isn't likely at all, but 5% isn't 50%.

 

[Chariot190]

Gonna note that Toei Buuhan is being use as the tiersetter and he does have low-godly regen negation on profile.

Notwithstanding that's just the anime being inconsistent and Buu was gonna kill them by just nuking them and dying while dead kills ya^2 as stated shortly after in the kid buu fight.
This dude has power null on contact with armor allegedly, it'd powernull Buu's planet burst technique, which is what was gonna kill them.
Outside of that transmutation would work as incap, but apparently altering his body even slightly auto regens it to normal plus the armor allegedly powernulls so there goes candy beam given that has to make contact.
Absorption? Same thing, that's contact based, if the power null passive on contact, it's gonna null the shrinking it does to absorb or assimilate them.

Which just leaves Buuhan fighting him being boxing, which like, doesn't do anything.

That or half the arguments bunk, either way.