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Fight Club, one of my favorite movies ever. But, The Narrator's profile is really iffy. Let's change that
Part 1: The Novels Aren't Canon To The Movie
So my biggest problem with the profile currently is that it includes feats from both the movie and the novels, mainly the sequel comics, such as Fight Club 2 and 3.
Big problem, those are canon to the novel version of Fight Club, not the movie. If you want proof, here's the synopsis of the fight club 2 comic:
If someone else wants to make a profile for the book version of Tyler Durdan & Sebastian than go ahead, but this CRT will be solely focusing on the movie Fight Club released in 1999. I've never read the og book, so I don't feel qualified to really go that in-depth on the character. But I've seen the movie many times and I think I'm more than qualified to tier him.
And before I start part 2, we should probably rename Narrator's profile to "The Narrator (Fight Club Movie)" and name the novel version something like "Sebastian (Fight Club)" as he actually has a name in the novels. Also, no, his name should not be put as "Jack" in the profile, there is no proof of his name actually being Jack outside of some headcannon, and saying that his name is Jack is borderline fan-ficiton. And from this point on, I'll be calling him Narrator and I'll call Tyler... take a guess what I'll call him
Part 2: The Seperation Of Narrator & Tyler Durdan
So currently, the profile has 2 keys, one for Narrator, and one for Tyler. Why?
Sure, Tyler is meant to be the better version of Narrator, but that's just in confidence. There's no real proof that Tyler is actually stronger than Narrator. Sure, we have that one fight near the end of the movie, but that's not Tyler actually beating up Narrator, that's Narrator beating up himself. Tyler doesn't actually physically exist, Narrator is just punching himself while hallucinating that Tyler is doing it like some acid trip gone horrifically wrong. We see this multiple times in the security footage that Tyler isn't there, Narrator is just throwing himself around.
And it's not like their power levels are that diffrent at all, they're litteraly the same person and would share pretty much the same feats. Everything Tyler did, he did in Narrator's body. And in the above clip, Narrator was still tanking full powered strikes from Tyler and was okay. And it's established in that same scene that pretty much anything Tyler can do, Narrator can do. The only diffrence is confidence. Unlike Narrator, Tyler is a free individual that has complete confidence in himself, and uses his intelligence and physical prowess to their fullest extent, wheras Narrator is supposed to be an unconfident corprate slave that doesn't. We can see this in their fight, Narrator is trying to run away and not fight back while Tyler is going fully on the offensive. There isn't that much diffrence in them physically, just a diffrence in mentality, aggression, and confidence in their own abilities. Hell, Narrator could harm Tyler in their first fight, and throughout the movie, there is nothing to suggest that Tyler holds back in his fights with Narrator, so they'd scale to each other anyways. This isn't like The Horde where there is an extremley obvious diffrence in strength between personalities, there's just a diffrence in confidence between Narrator & Tyler, and Tyler is more willing to use his full strength, but that doesn't mean that Narrator has a weaker body or anything.
The only diffrence that you could argue is intelligence, as Tyler seems to know far more than Narrator does. But:
Now, time to actually get into this and talk about abilities.
Part 3: Abilities
So what abilities do these guys have? Let's list them out
Part 4: Stats
AP/Durability:
I think you can make a reasonable arguement for 9-C. Narrator could turn Jared Letos face into grilled pizza and beat the absolute shit out of himself multiple times to the point of where he's badly bleeding. Narrator has tanked being slammed through a glass table and glass shelves, glass windows, car crashes with no/minimum injuries (depends on if you think Narrator is possessing himself or if Tyler is, that scene is so confusing ngl), falling down flights of stairs, and beatings from other fight club members such as Robert, who is a former bodybuilder. And again, Narrator can harm himself, so he'd scale to all of that
With all this, I think a 9-C rating is justifyable. If not, then definetly high Athlete level or something
Speed:
There is like, no notable speed feats in the movie. There is pretty much nothing to suggest more than Average - Athletic human
LS:
Narrator can send himself flying, even with just one hand/punch. Edward Norton, Narrator's actor, weighs 155 lbs, or 70.3 kg. Throwing himself around like that should be good support for Above Average Human, as he can clearly throw his own weight great distances
Stamina:
I'm not sure if "Can win brutal fights" is a great stamina feat, and it definetly doesn't support peak human stamina. Athletic human stamina, maybe. But, both Tyler and Narrator can fight through plenty of pain and act completely normal afterwards, so Athletic Human - Peak Human stamina should work just fine
Intelligence:
Narrator/Tyler is pretty clearly a genius. He was implied to have graduated with a degree in chemistry and has great knowledge on chemistry, such as turning human fat into soap and turning the soap into explosives as well as other general chemistry knowledge such as with the chemical burn scene. He made improvised dynamite that exploded his apartment and came up with all of the planning and ideas for project mayhem, with many of them being extremly introcet and complex plans. He also created the project mayhem cult, started fight club, has shown great SI skill, and is knowledgable in philosophy. If not genius, then deffinetly high gifted or something
Part 5: Explosives
Throughout the movie, Narrator/Tyler makes multiple explosives. Why aren't the explosives AP on the page? We could have stats for him with prep time.
The calculation for this is easy. Let's do it now!
"WOAH! Okay, you're now firing a gun at your imaginary friend... NEAR 400 GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERINE!"
Nitroglycerin weights 1.6 g/cc
400 gallons = 1,514,160 cm^3
1,514,160 * 1.6 = 2,422,656 grams of Nitroglycerine going off
Nitroglycerine releases 6,230 Joules of energy per gram of the stuff
2,422,656 * 6,230 = 15,093,146,880 Joules, or 3.61 Tons of TnT (Large Building level)
Eat your heart out Walter White, you got nothing on Tyler's explosives
Part 6: TL;DR
So to summarize everything:
Tyler & Narrator shouldn't get seperate keys
Tyler & Narrator are 9-C with Above Average Human LS, Average Human - Athletic Human Speed, Athletic Human - Peak Human Stamina, and Genius Intelligence
They can make High 8-C explosives with prep time
They have Multiple Personalities, Martial Arts, Social Influencing, High Pain Tolerances, and Explosions with Prep Time
The novel/comic version needs its own profile seperate from the movie version, as those novels aren't canon to the movie
Part 1: The Novels Aren't Canon To The Movie
So my biggest problem with the profile currently is that it includes feats from both the movie and the novels, mainly the sequel comics, such as Fight Club 2 and 3.
Big problem, those are canon to the novel version of Fight Club, not the movie. If you want proof, here's the synopsis of the fight club 2 comic:
So yeah, treating the comics as canon to the movies doesn't work, because it isn't. I know that the movie and the book are virtually identical, but that doesn't mean that we can just composite the character. Also, the comics are just not at all consistant with what was established in the movie with the way Tyler Durdan acts and what he even is.Ten years after the event of the first novel, Sebastian and Marla are married with a son. Sebastian works a do-nothing office job, at a military contractor company called "Rize or Die". Marla has grown tired of suburban life, resuming her habit of infiltrating support groups and ultimately resurrects Tyler Durden full time by replacing her husband's medication with placebos so she could have "an affair with Tyler". Tyler has other plans and burns down the family's house and apparently kills their son as a result.
If someone else wants to make a profile for the book version of Tyler Durdan & Sebastian than go ahead, but this CRT will be solely focusing on the movie Fight Club released in 1999. I've never read the og book, so I don't feel qualified to really go that in-depth on the character. But I've seen the movie many times and I think I'm more than qualified to tier him.
And before I start part 2, we should probably rename Narrator's profile to "The Narrator (Fight Club Movie)" and name the novel version something like "Sebastian (Fight Club)" as he actually has a name in the novels. Also, no, his name should not be put as "Jack" in the profile, there is no proof of his name actually being Jack outside of some headcannon, and saying that his name is Jack is borderline fan-ficiton. And from this point on, I'll be calling him Narrator and I'll call Tyler... take a guess what I'll call him
Part 2: The Seperation Of Narrator & Tyler Durdan
So currently, the profile has 2 keys, one for Narrator, and one for Tyler. Why?
Sure, Tyler is meant to be the better version of Narrator, but that's just in confidence. There's no real proof that Tyler is actually stronger than Narrator. Sure, we have that one fight near the end of the movie, but that's not Tyler actually beating up Narrator, that's Narrator beating up himself. Tyler doesn't actually physically exist, Narrator is just punching himself while hallucinating that Tyler is doing it like some acid trip gone horrifically wrong. We see this multiple times in the security footage that Tyler isn't there, Narrator is just throwing himself around.
And it's not like their power levels are that diffrent at all, they're litteraly the same person and would share pretty much the same feats. Everything Tyler did, he did in Narrator's body. And in the above clip, Narrator was still tanking full powered strikes from Tyler and was okay. And it's established in that same scene that pretty much anything Tyler can do, Narrator can do. The only diffrence is confidence. Unlike Narrator, Tyler is a free individual that has complete confidence in himself, and uses his intelligence and physical prowess to their fullest extent, wheras Narrator is supposed to be an unconfident corprate slave that doesn't. We can see this in their fight, Narrator is trying to run away and not fight back while Tyler is going fully on the offensive. There isn't that much diffrence in them physically, just a diffrence in mentality, aggression, and confidence in their own abilities. Hell, Narrator could harm Tyler in their first fight, and throughout the movie, there is nothing to suggest that Tyler holds back in his fights with Narrator, so they'd scale to each other anyways. This isn't like The Horde where there is an extremley obvious diffrence in strength between personalities, there's just a diffrence in confidence between Narrator & Tyler, and Tyler is more willing to use his full strength, but that doesn't mean that Narrator has a weaker body or anything.
The only diffrence that you could argue is intelligence, as Tyler seems to know far more than Narrator does. But:
- Where would Tyler have gotten better intelligence? Tyler is apart of Narrator's mind, thus meaning that he would've had to have gotten that knowledge from Narrator. If Tyler has an intelligence feat, he did it using Narrator's brain, just with more confidence
- It's litteraly confirmed in the movie that if Tyler knows something than the Narrator knows something, thus making them equals in intelligence
Now, time to actually get into this and talk about abilities.
Part 3: Abilities
So what abilities do these guys have? Let's list them out
- Peak Human Physical Characteristics (Will explain why later in the stats section)
- Genius Intelligence (Explained in stats section)
- Multiple Selves (Narrator has the definition of DID, and that's all Tyler Durdan is. Another personality)
- Martial Arts (Both the Narrator & Tyler have shown impressive fighting skill, though I couldn't tell you exact styles they use)
- Social Influencing (Tyler was capable of creating Project Mayhem, a large-scale cult that spread throughout the country full of followers that are willing to bend to Tyler's every request and whim, even those that require mass destruction. He also successfully threatened a politician into stopping his search for project mayhem and convinced people that he was harboring deadly diseases, testicular cancer, ect through the support groups. He also blackmailed his boss into giving him weekly paychecks and convinced the guards that his boss had assulted him and got the police off of his tail for the exploded apartment through a single phone call)
- High Pain Tolerance (Both Narrator & Tyler have feats of laughing off and fighting through immense amounts of pain, such as Tyler's encounter with Lou and Narrator's self-enduced beating to frame his boss & shooting himself in the cheek. Hell, one of the cult members even said "how the **** is he still standing?" after seeing his gunshot wound to the cheek)
- Preperation & Explosion Manipulation (Through prep time, Tyler can make explosives)
- Hive Mind: That's a thing in the novels/comics, not the movie
- Non-Physical Interaction: Just because someone with schizophrenia is the only person that can see their own hallucinations doesn't mean that they have non-physical interaction. Also, that's not how that ability works.
- Weapon Mastery: He shoots a gun like, once in the movie and misses. Real weapon master right there
- Berserk Mode: Only seen in the novels
- Invulnerability: First, that would be a durability feat. Second, Tyler doesn't physically exist. He was uneffected by the bullet because there was no body to be effected. Narrator was just shooting the air
- Immortality: Novel feat
- Fear Inducing Aura: I don't remember this ever happening in the movies so I'm guessing novel feat
- Plot Manipulation: Novel feat
Part 4: Stats
AP/Durability:
I think you can make a reasonable arguement for 9-C. Narrator could turn Jared Letos face into grilled pizza and beat the absolute shit out of himself multiple times to the point of where he's badly bleeding. Narrator has tanked being slammed through a glass table and glass shelves, glass windows, car crashes with no/minimum injuries (depends on if you think Narrator is possessing himself or if Tyler is, that scene is so confusing ngl), falling down flights of stairs, and beatings from other fight club members such as Robert, who is a former bodybuilder. And again, Narrator can harm himself, so he'd scale to all of that
With all this, I think a 9-C rating is justifyable. If not, then definetly high Athlete level or something
Speed:
There is like, no notable speed feats in the movie. There is pretty much nothing to suggest more than Average - Athletic human
LS:
Narrator can send himself flying, even with just one hand/punch. Edward Norton, Narrator's actor, weighs 155 lbs, or 70.3 kg. Throwing himself around like that should be good support for Above Average Human, as he can clearly throw his own weight great distances
Stamina:
I'm not sure if "Can win brutal fights" is a great stamina feat, and it definetly doesn't support peak human stamina. Athletic human stamina, maybe. But, both Tyler and Narrator can fight through plenty of pain and act completely normal afterwards, so Athletic Human - Peak Human stamina should work just fine
Intelligence:
Narrator/Tyler is pretty clearly a genius. He was implied to have graduated with a degree in chemistry and has great knowledge on chemistry, such as turning human fat into soap and turning the soap into explosives as well as other general chemistry knowledge such as with the chemical burn scene. He made improvised dynamite that exploded his apartment and came up with all of the planning and ideas for project mayhem, with many of them being extremly introcet and complex plans. He also created the project mayhem cult, started fight club, has shown great SI skill, and is knowledgable in philosophy. If not genius, then deffinetly high gifted or something
Part 5: Explosives
Throughout the movie, Narrator/Tyler makes multiple explosives. Why aren't the explosives AP on the page? We could have stats for him with prep time.
The calculation for this is easy. Let's do it now!
"WOAH! Okay, you're now firing a gun at your imaginary friend... NEAR 400 GALLONS OF NITROGLYCERINE!"
Nitroglycerin weights 1.6 g/cc
400 gallons = 1,514,160 cm^3
1,514,160 * 1.6 = 2,422,656 grams of Nitroglycerine going off
Nitroglycerine releases 6,230 Joules of energy per gram of the stuff
2,422,656 * 6,230 = 15,093,146,880 Joules, or 3.61 Tons of TnT (Large Building level)
Eat your heart out Walter White, you got nothing on Tyler's explosives
Part 6: TL;DR
So to summarize everything:
Tyler & Narrator shouldn't get seperate keys
Tyler & Narrator are 9-C with Above Average Human LS, Average Human - Athletic Human Speed, Athletic Human - Peak Human Stamina, and Genius Intelligence
They can make High 8-C explosives with prep time
They have Multiple Personalities, Martial Arts, Social Influencing, High Pain Tolerances, and Explosions with Prep Time
The novel/comic version needs its own profile seperate from the movie version, as those novels aren't canon to the movie