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The Gear of Madness (Madness Combat vs Metal Gear)

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Raiden (156 Tons):
  • Raiden is in character.
  • MGS4 Raiden.
  • Has access to all his weapons.
Hank J. Wimbleton (637 Tons):
  • Hank is Bloodlusted.
  • Post-Apotheosis Hank (8-A used).
  • Hank has his usual loadout. His optional loadout is his pre-Apotheosis loadout (except for his tracker, bentley r and suicide bomb).
The fight takes place in Outer Heaven (Liquid's Warship), they start 10 meters apart, both with direct field of vision.

Notes:

  • Equal Speed.
  • Throughout the ship there are numerous units of Metal Gear Ray, GEKKOs and FROGS.
  • SBA from the rest.
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Ik Mg skill is known as being nuts but it ain't shit against someone almost 30x faster and 5x stronger
 
Yeah speed needs to be equalized. And ap diff is a bit much. Hank's also got low godly regen
 
Ik Mg skill is known as being nuts but it ain't shit against someone almost 30x faster and 5x stronger
Yeah speed needs to be equalized.
Via Blade Mode I could close the gap quite a bit, but I already equalized the speed anyway.
And ap diff is a bit much. Hank's also got low godly regen
Skills and HF Blade go hand in hand for Raiden. Hank's regeneration is also due to his resurrection, which has a limit, so it's not as extreme as it seems.
 
Skills and HF Blade go hand in hand for Raiden. Hank's regeneration is also due to his resurrection, which has a limit, so it's not as extreme as it seems.
yeah but it’s still Hank’s big ol’ “**** you” to Raiden and any attempts to permanently kill him.

it’s metal gear, so I’m gonna go out on a limb here and assume their skill feats are going to at least put each other essentially comparable in skill at the very least.
 
Why is Hank still gifted in the intel department?

Shouldn't he be genius combat wise?
Combat intelligence shouldn't be given a rating like that anymore, he actually should be downgraded to average to below average intelligence since if he isn't murdering people he generally isn't any smarter than the average joe.
 
Combat intelligence shouldn't be given a rating like that anymore, he actually should be downgraded to average to below average intelligence since if he isn't murdering people he generally isn't any smarter than the average joe.
Then just add a skill feat list to his profile so people more or less have an idea of his skill
 
Then just add a skill feat list to his profile so people more or less have an idea of his skill
Other profiles are a lot worse condition, so they're getting priority over Hank since his skill feats listed are basically the notable ones and would just need some rewording. Hank ability wise and scaling is up to date, so it should be okay to use his profile.

Sanford and Deimos are up next, but i can definitely fix that after.
 
yeah but it’s still Hank’s big ol’ “**** you” to Raiden and any attempts to permanently kill him.

it’s metal gear, so I’m gonna go out on a limb here and assume their skill feats are going to at least put each other essentially comparable in skill at the very least.
Raiden should be far more skilled than Hank. He was trained by Solidus Snake from a young age, fought against him and eventually surpassed him, and the current key in MGR makes him much stronger and more skilled than before. Furthermore, even if Hank were comparable or at best more skilled than Raiden, he could still become more skilled as the fight progresses due to his AD.

Raiden also has an incredible speed advantage thanks to Blade Mode, which he leverages alongside the HF Blades, often spamming Hank with slashes to reduce him to a bloody heap with almost no effort. What would save Hank in this case is the regeneration that would allow him to return to life while Raiden has to recharge his electrolytes to use Blade Mode again.
 
Raiden should be far more skilled than Hank. He was trained by Solidus Snake from a young age, fought against him and eventually surpassed him, and the current key in MGR makes him much stronger and more skilled than before. Furthermore, even if Hank were comparable or at best more skilled than Raiden, he could still become more skilled as the fight progresses due to his AD.
Hank fought waves of soldiers who had millions of years worth of combat experience actively being transported into their memory in real time, with it making them passively more skilled due to the technology on them and he fodderized them all. The very faction who created those soldiers were kept up at night in fear of Hank's very existence, and they're a military manufacturer which can create soldiers who completely fodderize Hank by sheer strength.

Hank and co. was also able to match up against Director Phobos, a man so powerful that it was believed the only way anyone had a chance to kill him was to use an artifact that used a radioactive energy from a higher dimension that could warp reality and dura neg, and Phobos was described to still put up a legendary fight even with that. Despite that, Hank and co. were able not only able to keep up with him without it, but while he actively had said artifact.

Hank at the very very least is equal in skill with Raiden.
 
Hank fought waves of soldiers who had millions of years worth of combat experience actively being transported into their memory in real time, with it making them passively more skilled due to the technology on them and he fodderized them all. The very faction who created those soldiers were kept up at night in fear of Hank's very existence, and they're a military manufacturer which can create soldiers who completely fodderize Hank by sheer strength.
It almost doesn't matter if he has eons of experience if he hasn't actively done anything in all that time, and even then, there's no guarantee that more experience will make you more skilled. Raiden is capable of fighting against numerous incredibly trained elite soldiers, he has even faced enemies comparable if not superior to him, such as when he fought and defeated Solidus, who had also trained him since he was a child.

In terms of mobility and maneuvers, Hank seems to be almost as competent as Raiden, however the latter can combine Capoeira with the use of Fencing from previous keys. Add to this the fact that he was already a master of combat weapons and had defeated fighters far more experienced than him. As I emphasize again, Solidus Snake should not be far behind his brothers, who master CQC, a combat style capable of performing countless movements.

Raiden has also trained with the United States military, to the point where he has run over 300 virtual reality simulations, including recreations of the Shadow Moses Incident and the Tanker Incident, incidents in which Solid Snake had actively participated.
Hank and co. was also able to match up against Director Phobos, a man so powerful that it was believed the only way anyone had a chance to kill him was to use an artifact that used a radioactive energy from a higher dimension that could warp reality and dura neg, and Phobos was described to still put up a legendary fight even with that. Despite that, Hank and co. were able not only able to keep up with him without it, but while he actively had said artifact.

Hank at the very very least is equal in skill with Raiden.
That seems to be more a feat of scale than skill, since how are we sure that Phobos wasn't simply more powerful in raw form and not more skilled? If anything, it shows that Hank could handle superhuman and more powerful people than him, but Raiden could also do the same and even fight against weapons of mass destruction (literally, the prologue of MGR is destroying a Metal Gear Ray with Raiden's current key).

I'd say Raiden has a solid advantage in terms of skill, and like I said even if they were evenly matched, Raiden is capable of becoming more skilled as the fight progresses.
 
It almost doesn't matter if he has eons of experience if he hasn't actively done anything in all that time, and even then, there's no guarantee that more experience will make you more skilled. Raiden is capable of fighting against numerous incredibly trained elite soldiers, he has even faced enemies comparable if not superior to him, such as when he fought and defeated Solidus, who had also trained him since he was a child.
They actively describe the eons as combat experience, they weren't just idling around as that'd defeat the entire purpose the army. The army was well described as the most dangerous thing in Nevada. They can learn to use weapons they wouldn't have ever seen in moments by just grabbing it.

Competing with people comparable and superior to him is literally Hank's thing, fighting Mag Agents, Jesus, and Tricky on the regular. These people are capable of killing countless trained soldiers all capable of one-shotting them with weaponry. He keeps up with those people even despite that.
In terms of mobility and maneuvers, Hank seems to be almost as competent as Raiden, however the latter can combine Capoeira with the use of Fencing from previous keys. Add to this the fact that he was already a master of combat weapons and had defeated fighters far more experienced than him.
Hank does this 1-1 in like every episode he stars in;

Director Phobos, Tricky, and Jesus are all older than him by a good margin with experience. (varying from eons to hundreds of years) so unless I'm unaware of shit that goes on in Metal Gear, Hank has done that same exact thing to a far greater scale.
Raiden has also trained with the United States military, to the point where he has run over 300 virtual reality simulations, including recreations of the Shadow Moses Incident and the Tanker Incident, incidents in which Solid Snake had actively participated.
You wouldn't believe how the eons of combat experience soldiers are trained with.

They're attached with technology that passively puts them through combat experiences that the Nexus Core created, battling waves of trained soldiers who can effortlessly kill them. They have EONS of fighting situations such as that.
That seems to be more a feat of scale than skill, since how are we sure that Phobos wasn't simply more powerful in raw form and not more skilled? If anything, it shows that Hank could handle superhuman and more powerful people than him,
Hank's got a billion feats of handling superhuman and more powerful people than him, it's basically his thing. Phobos is special because not only is he that powerful, he has the skill on top of that. He's a generation 01, which means he has enhanced learning capabilities which lets him basically master things within days that would take anyone else months or years to do.

The guy is skilled enough to take on everyone who basically all scale to the stuff hank does, and does it without issue even when battling several of them at the same time.
but Raiden could also do the same and even fight against weapons of mass destruction (literally, the prologue of MGR is destroying a Metal Gear Ray with Raiden's current key).
That weapon of mass destruction wasn't more powerful than Raiden. Metal Gear RAYs were basically going out of fashion due to cyborgs and Raiden was dogwalking it. Fighting something you can overpower and throw like a bowling ball isn't much of a skill feat. At least Phobos in the context of the series is just as vulnerable to weapons as the rest of the cast is and can still kick ass.
I'd say Raiden has a solid advantage in terms of skill, and like I said even if they were evenly matched, Raiden is capable of becoming more skilled as the fight progresses.
Literally the only feat listed on his page is easily learning how to use a sword within minutes. Is there more to that justification i'm missing that he did shit?
 
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They actively describe the eons as combat experience, they weren't just idling around as that'd defeat the entire purpose the army. The army was well described as the most dangerous thing in Nevada. They can learn to use weapons they wouldn't have ever seen in moments by just grabbing it.

Competing with people comparable and superior to him is literally Hank's thing, fighting Mag Agents, Jesus, and Tricky on the regular. These people are capable of killing countless trained soldiers all capable of one-shotting them with weaponry. He keeps up with those people even despite that.
Nevada's most dangerous army is quite impressive considering the type of subjects involved, but beyond that, experience shouldn't have much impact, even if it's millennia or eons of experience. Weapon handling is also impressive (it could easily be added as AD but that's another topic).

Raiden is also able to go up against people who can one-shot others solely based on their skill, several people in the verse even have the ability to analytically analyze and predict what they are going to do. For example, the numerous simulations he had involve recreations of Solid Snake and Liquid, who are both skilled at fighting each other, and both have information analysis, mastery of arms and they are geniuses in combat.
Hank does this 1-1 in like every episode he stars in;

Director Phobos, Tricky, and Jesus are all older than him by a good margin with experience. (varying from eons to hundreds of years) so unless I'm unaware of shit that goes on in Metal Gear, Hank has done that same exact thing to a far greater scale.

You wouldn't believe how the eons of combat experience soldiers are trained with.

They're attached with technology that passively puts them through combat experiences that the Nexus Core created, battling waves of trained soldiers who can effortlessly kill them. They have EONS of fighting situations such as that.

Hank's got a billion feats of handling superhuman and more powerful people than him, it's basically his thing. Phobos is special because not only is he that powerful, he has the skill on top of that. He's a generation 01, which means he has enhanced learning capabilities which lets him basically master things within days that would take anyone else months or years to do.

The guy is skilled enough to take on everyone who basically all scale to the stuff hank does, and does it without issue even when battling several of them at the same time.
Raiden's profile is quite outdated, but Raiden is supposedly able to master the HF Blade in a matter of seconds, able to block, reflect and cut bullets, projectiles so small with a simple sword and to this we must add that he performs numerous maneuvers and movements against people as skilled as him as soon as he obtained it. At the same time that he obtained the HF Blade, Raiden fought against Solidus Snake, one of the Three Terrible Infants, who was supposedly stronger, more skilled and experienced than Raiden and already knew his movements as he was his master previously, and yet, Raiden was able to defeat him.

Solidus Snake is a perfect clone of Big Boss, who is not only capable of fighting Solid Snake but should even be comparable to Big Boss himself, who is able to go from being Skill Stomped by Ocelot to being able to compete with him. He also shouldn't be far from his brothers Liquid and Solid Snake, who are geniuses in combat and both can actively fight, even though Snake is capable of instinctively using CQC which can be performed with a variety of moves, and is constantly limited against people less skilled and stronger than him to use non-lethal moves.
That weapon of mass destruction wasn't more powerful than Raiden. Metal Gear RAYs were basically going out of fashion due to cyborgs and Raiden was dogwalking it. Fighting something you can overpower and throw like a bowling ball isn't much of a skill feat. At least Phobos in the context of the series is just as vulnerable to weapons as the rest of the cast is and can still kick ass.
Raiden has faced Metal Gear since before he became Cyborg. In fact, in MGS2, he faced several Metal Gears and even defeated some. So he has experience dealing not only with people more skilled than him, stronger (to the point of one-shotting), or even massively bigger and heavier, but he even surpasses all of these experiences to a great extent in MGR.
Even if this were a more advanced key, Raiden might be able to fight and outmaneuver a supercomputer like Blade Wolf, however I don't know if that is retroactive or if it would somehow apply to this key.
Literally the only feat listed on his page is easily learning how to use a sword within minutes. Is there more to that justification i'm missing that he did shit?
Raiden masters the HF sword in a short period of time and then overpowers Solidus Snake. However, I think there are more reasons, but I'd have to investigate or ask another member.

Now that I see the justifications, Raiden and Hank are actually relatively comparable ngl. However, I emphasize once again that Raiden can still compete and even surpass Hank as the fight progresses. At least it's not a Skill Stomp. But Hank still has to deal with a speed increase from 2X to 10X, in addition to the fact that Raiden will be disarming and slashing him with extreme ease every time he swings the HF sword.
 
Now that I see the justifications, Raiden and Hank are actually relatively comparable ngl. However, I emphasize once again that Raiden can still compete and even surpass Hank as the fight progresses. At least it's not a Skill Stomp. But Hank still has to deal with a speed increase from 2X to 10X, in addition to the fact that Raiden will be disarming and slashing him with extreme ease every time he swings the HF sword.
Hank has his own speed amps (It's only for his perception, but alas), i can see Hank being able to keep up with the 2x amp, especially with his perception amp but that 10x amp is going to be a problem for him.

Fighting people who can overpower him is something he's used to, so he could definitely work with but it'll definitely be a problem.

that damn blade is the biggest issue here, what he does have is his ability to sense threats incoming even if he doesn't know they're there. Even if it slashes at him and doesn't know about the HF's effects, he could still avoid it.
 
Raiden also has a lot of weapons and better gadgets than Hank, from various grenades to cloaks that make him invisible and rocket launchers, as well as a stealth advantage, so he's more versatile when it comes to abilities.
 
Raiden is slower so he can’t use his speed amp. Which creates a problem since the bullets Hank fires are way faster than him and since he’s faster they’ll be way faster than Raiden. I don’t see how he doesn’t just get promptly shredded by bullets he can’t block (speed equalization rules are so funky but to be fair speed unequalized raiden does get blitzed anyways). Or best case scenario, while he is blocking a hailstorm of bullets, Hank’s lightning dissolves him. If raiden was the faster of the two I would argue it would be really hard for Hank to hit him and he’s cartoonishly better at melee combat. But since he’s slower, Hank just shoots him.
 
Hank’s lightning dissolves him. If raiden was the faster of the two I would argue it would be really hard for Hank to hit him and he’s cartoonishly better at melee combat. But since he’s slower, Hank just shoots him.
What lightning? Post-Apotheosis key doesn't have electricity manipulation. If his bullets really are way faster than he is that should be included in the profile.
 
Ooh sorry, I missed we are using the prior key for Hank. Still he just shots raiden for a pretty easy win.
 
Survive much much worse for wear. He got his arm cut off and was stuck hurt and limping.
Plus that’s what I meant, Hank’s bullets are way faster than himself, they travel across a room while he moves barely out of the way from a dozen meters, sometimes not even managing to do that despite having over a dozen meters to move. Raiden will get shot the same way Hank did when he tried to do the deflect
 
I’m referring to when Sam cut his arm off. That absolutely messed him up and he was definitely not in fighting capacity at all.
 
Plus the bullets raiden deflects are usually weaker than him or at most on par with him. Hank’s bullets shred people five times stronger, they could just obliterate the sword.
 
Ooh gosh Armstrong actually has physic manipulation now let’s go haha (it’s very funny he has that, I mean that’s what is stated, but so curious what that even means in this case)
 
Though like one slightly off block from the sharp part of the blade and the blade itself gets hit and explodes, meanwhile Hank tried to block with the broadside of his blade with minimal movement and it didn’t work because their bullets are too fast
 
Raiden also has a lot of weapons and better gadgets than Hank, from various grenades to cloaks that make him invisible and rocket launchers, as well as a stealth advantage, so he's more versatile when it comes to abilities.
Given the OP listed Raiden has all his weapons yet said this, it implies he actually meant all items, this would include the Stealth Camo.
 
Raiden does use stealth but I can think of so many times he doesn’t even try to at. SBA has it both know where each other are at the start and are facing each other. So I doubt raiden would try to sneak up while Hank is staring at him in a open field
 
Raiden does use stealth but I can think of so many times he doesn’t even try to at. SBA has it both know where each other are at the start and are facing each other. So I doubt raiden would try to sneak up while Hank is staring at him in a open field
I’d like to note that even if Raiden did start using stealth, Hank would sense it coming and dodge whatever Raiden tries.
 
I figured he had the senses just didn’t remember the best scene to say he does.
 
Raiden does use stealth but I can think of so many times he doesn’t even try to at. SBA has it both know where each other are at the start and are facing each other. So I doubt raiden would try to sneak up while Hank is staring at him in a open field
Raiden has access to numerous things he can use to disorient Hank like Stun Grenades, if he sees the huge exclamation mark coming as a result of his Extrasensory Perception he'd be able to fire at that to stun Hank
 
He could totally sneak up on Hank if he feels like he needs to, it wouldn't even be difficult since this is Outer Haven, a place with many spots to hide like Old Snake did.

He infiltrated Area 51 (a military base guarded by the patriots) to rescue Sunny (though was captured when he tried to return a second time in order to get the corpse of Big Boss), later claims stealth is his specialty and is part of FOXHOUND, which requires stealth techniques, not to mention every VR mission he took on + the recreation of Shadow Moses that includes stealth.
 
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