The Human Race vs NEXUS Core (The Real World vs Madness Combat)

[Comiphorous]

NEXUS Core has built a portal to the real world, and decided to destroy the entire human race and take the entire planet for their own.

• Both humanity and NEXUS Core get 2 days of prep time
• Neither party has knowledge on eachother
• Speed is equalized
• project gestalt id restricted.
• Otherwise SBA

NEXUS Core: 0

The Human Race: 0

 

[Arkansalter2]

Going with the Human Race. The Human Race has weaponry that are both Land, Air, and Sea. Plus... america.
And a population difference.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Hell literally the entirety of america or even a singular state of georgia, texas, or florida will formulate against NEXUS just to take them down pretty easily.

 

[Comiphorous]

Going with the Human Race. The Human Race has weaponry that are both Land, Air, and Sea. Plus... america.
And a population difference.

Nevada has air vehicles.

Population difference doesn’t matter, their army comes from their limitless cloning not their actual population.

This doesn’t cover how they deal with Gestalt.

 

[Arkansalter2]

This doesn’t cover how they deal with Gestalt.

Nukes.

 

[Comiphorous]

Nukes

My goat is walking that shit off. (Will probably restrict him since he’ll probably walk off anything humankind throws at it)


Nukes can help take out a lot of Nexus Core’s soldiers or soldier manufacturers but they can just print more of them to keep fighting, since it costs them basically no time and is faster than humankind soldier’s recruitment

 

[Rayfire]

Nukes.

Humans can't just spam nukes straight away, treaties and nuclear doctrines restrict them. Most nuclear-armed countries will only really use them if there is no other option to defend their homeland. But by giving humans prep time you can expect a crapton of most of their arsenal coming into play as soon as the war starts.

What's project gestalt and what is it mainly doing here?

 

[Comiphorous]

What's project gestalt and what is it mainly doing here?

a giant beast that absorbs souls from hell to make itself larger and stronger, and has technological defenses which make it invulnerable.

I am likely going to restrict him, since he can probably take on humankind on his own.

 

[Rayfire]

a giant beast that absorbs souls from hell to make itself larger and stronger, and has technological defenses which make it invulnerable.

I am likely going to restrict him, since he can probably take on humankind on his own.

Looking at his profile, if he does get hit with a nuclear missile, it's probably not the energy that will kill it considering the invulnerability, it'd be the heat most likely. I don't see a resistance to fire or any sort of heat on his profile, and particularly within the blast itself, modern nukes can briefly reach temperatures hotter than the core of the sun. Napalm bombs might also be effective.

If there's something strongly suggesting that his invulnerability can get past this sort of thing though, then yeah restrict him

 

[Comiphorous]

Looking at his profile, if he does get hit with a nuclear missile, it's probably not the energy that will kill it considering the invulnerability, it'd be the heat most likely. I don't see a resistance to fire or any sort of heat on his profile, and particularly within the blast itself, modern nukes can briefly reach temperatures hotter than the core of the sun. Napalm bombs might also be effective.

If there's something strongly suggesting that his invulnerability can get past this sort of thing though, then yeah restrict him

Due to the fact the verse could very well get that level of heat resistance, I’m gonna play it safe and restrict him since another character in the series is capable of punching the sun with no il effect to himself.

I’m also 99% sure heat doesn’t normally bypass physical invulnerability like gestalts, but ig idk for sure.

But gestalt is now restricted.

 

[Comiphorous]

I’d also like to note that Phobos is not against using chemical warfare, and could drop a zombie infection into humanity to try and wipe them out.

This barely covers nexus core’s potential technology they can use, like the improbability drive or the keystone fragment to continue to easily wipe out humans with ease.

 

[Rayfire]

I’m also 99% sure heat doesn’t normally bypass physical invulnerability like gestalts, but ig idk for sure.

When i see invulnerability i usually just interpret it as invulnerable to physical attacks, i suppose restricting it is the safest option though

I’d also like to note that Phobos is not against using chemical warfare, and could drop a zombie infection into humanity to try and wipe them out.

This barely covers nexus core’s potential technology they can use, like the improbability drive or the keystone fragment to continue to easily wipe out humans with ease.

How effective is the zombie infection? It'll probably be way more difficult than normal to spread it when the whole world is on guard thanks to prep time, especially in countries where it's common for people to have weapons, like the states. If humans are quick to react, which they likely will be, it might not get very far, especially if they have to deliver said chemical warfare with things something the human race has seen before, like via missiles or bombs

If chemical warfare is an effective strat in madness combat, humans could also probably do the same thing if they struggle to kill off their populace with the usual bombs and missiles, which they have plenty of and still have people/countries experienced with using them even after the days of world war 1

Also, would it be possible to just destroy something like project nexus assuming it's a kind of machine?

 

[Comiphorous]

How effective is the zombie infection? It'll probably be way more difficult than normal to spread it when the whole world is on guard thanks to prep time, especially in countries where it's common for people to have weapons, like the states. If humans are quick to react, which they likely will be, it might not get very far, especially if they have to deliver said chemical warfare with things something the human race has seen before, like via missiles or bombs

When Project Zed was weaponized against Nexus Core itself, (which won’t be a problem here due the circumstances it happened in universe) its entire government collapsed in only a few hours.

That shit is really effective. Zombies made from Project Zed are capable of clawing through concrete and navigating underground, and have typical zombie immortalities, being able to survive without heads and such. The zombie infection works instantly when they infect people.

If chemical warfare is an effective strat in madness combat, humans could also probably do the same thing if they struggle to kill off their populace with the usual bombs and missiles, which they have plenty of and still have people/countries experienced with using them

Actually most madness combat characters are resistant to poisons and harmful chemicals. Their bodies can withstand eating actual garbage and inhaling toxic smoke and waste.

Also, would it be possible to just destroy something like project nexus assuming it's a kind of machine?

It’s not just a machine, but more like several machines.

But yes, the project itself can be put out of commission, and several people have been almost successful in shutting it down. Although even when nexus core’s entire government collapsed, project nexus was able to come back.

This is mostly because project nexus was made to make sure the universe didn’t blow up, so they try real hard to keep it up and running no matter what (this bit isn’t relevant and won’t make a difference due to the fact the fight does not take place in Nevada)

 

[Rayfire]

When Project Zed was weaponized against Nexus Core itself, (which won’t be a problem here due the circumstances it happened in universe) its entire government collapsed in only a few hours.

That shit is really effective. Zombies made from Project Zed are capable of clawing through concrete and navigating underground, and have typical zombie immortalities, being able to survive without heads and such. The zombie infection works instantly when they infect people.

What do they typically use to spread it then? And how fast would the zed's be with equal speed? Toppling a government in a few hours is one thing, but i think a prepped humanity would very likely take considerably longer, considering they have entire oceans and continents to try and cross on top of that. It's also implied that nexus core is a city, which, assuming it's actually the size of one irl, would support the idea of it taking much longer to conquer the whole world, but correct me if i'm wrong

I read into it a bit more, and there's also been numerous biological weapon programs created by various different countries, which would be a similar form of disease manipulation, and have seen usage many times before too. Their effectiveness varies, but they have been used relatively recently and still exist. If the humans can last long enough here with what they already use i don't doubt they'd be able to do this on a mass scale if they wanted to.

It’s not just a machine, but more like several machines.

But yes, the project itself can be put out of commission, and several people have been almost successful in shutting it down. Although even when nexus core’s entire government collapsed, project nexus was able to come back.

This is mostly because project nexus was made to make sure the universe didn’t blow up, so they try real hard to keep it up and running no matter what (this bit isn’t relevant and won’t make a difference due to the fact the fight does not take place in Nevada)

Aight

Assuming the things running it are in the place the nexus core came from (The portal) Shouldn't it be possible for humans to send things through it as well? If they can't raid the place conventionally, which i imagine would be a challenge, throwing nuclear-tipped cruise missiles through it shouldn't be too much of an issue, considering they can fly a few metres off the ground, and would be really difficult to see coming. Other than project gestalt at it's max potential i don't see anything tier 7 for the nexus core, so unless they can prevent/mitigate this i don't know if they have an answer to nuclear weapons being capable of wiping out a lot of their army and also destroying part of their homeland, and potentially porject nexus too

 

[Comiphorous]

What do they typically use to spread it then? And how fast would the zed's be with equal speed? Toppling a government in a few hours is one thing, but i think a prepped humanity would very likely take considerably longer, considering they have entire oceans and continents to try and cross on top of that. It's also implied that nexus core is a city, which, assuming it's actually the size of one irl, would support the idea of it taking much longer to conquer the whole world, but correct me if i'm wrong

They spread it through bites/touches/weird lightning-stuff firing from their fingertips (i don't know why they do this??? they have to be in melee range to do this so don't worry about them shooting lightning at people from several blocks away LMAO)

Nexus City is one portion of the grand majority of Nexus Core's territory over Nevada. (Nexus City is actually probably the smallest part of their territory, but that's a flaw in the page not communicating that better.)

Chances are if they're really concerned, they don't need to cross oceans, they can literally just drop them in each continent. I'd also like to note that some Zeds are capable of using weaponry like melee weapons and even guns, so even armed countries like the states would be in shootouts with zombies that can convert others into them.

I read into it a bit more, and there's also been numerous biological weapon programs created by various different countries, which would be a similar form of disease manipulation, and have seen usage many times before too. Their effectiveness varies, but they have been used relatively recently and still exist. If the humans can last long enough here with what they already use i don't doubt they'd be able to do this on a mass scale if they wanted to.

That's still covered by their ability to be completely fine from eating garbage/inhaling toxic gases im pretty sure.

Aight

Assuming the things running it are in the place the nexus core came from (The portal) Shouldn't it be possible for humans to send things through it as well? If they can't raid the place conventionally, which i imagine would be a challenge, throwing nuclear-tipped cruise missiles through it shouldn't be too much of an issue, considering they can fly a few metres off the ground, and would be really difficult to see coming. Other than project gestalt at it's max potential i don't see anything tier 7 for the nexus core, so unless they can prevent/mitigate this i don't know if they have an answer to nuclear weapons being capable of wiping out a lot of their army and also destroying part of their homeland, and potentially porject nexus too

While Humans could try to shoot missiles at The Science Tower (where project nexus is mostly handled) but the entire tower is filled with scientists who are capable of building machinery that can warp reality, or build machines using code from beings that encompass all aspects of reality. Those same scientists can very easily stop a missile from hitting them with their resources and intelligence. Humanity would just have to overwhelm the absolute hell out of these scientists with missiles for them to get a solid hit on the tower.

Also, we should probably just keep the fight within Earth and just assume the science tower has been moved onto earth somehow. if we pull Nevada into this then we have humanity dealing with 1-A entities that can warp fate and the very plot of their existence and i don't think anyone has the time to deal with that nor argue whether or not the 1-A deity would decide to deal with it (they would)

 

[Rayfire]

Nexus City is one portion of the grand majority of Nexus Core's territory over Nevada. (Nexus City is actually probably the smallest part of their territory, but that's a flaw in the page not communicating that better.)

Ah, alr still though, the united states alone is far bigger than one nevada in terms of size. I don't think the zeds will be a win button, at least not straight away

Chances are if they're really concerned, they don't need to cross oceans, they can literally just drop them in each continent. I'd also like to note that some Zeds are capable of using weaponry like melee weapons and even guns, so even armed countries like the states would be in shootouts with zombies that can convert others into them.

The zed's would probably be at a pretty hefty initial disadvantage though, particularly in a country with a large military. It's a virus, so it needs to infect a lot of people to gain traction. Unless nexus core also had time to prepare for such a situation, 2 days of prep is plenty to get the human race ready for a lot of huge stuff, so if this is the case it's definitely going to take a lot longer for zeds to make progress, as long as humans are quick to react, which i think they will be, even just 5 minutes is more than enough to get a lot of military aircraft in the air if they are on full alert, so 2 days should be enough to get them prepped to do just that

While Humans could try to shoot missiles at The Science Tower (where project nexus is mostly handled) but the entire tower is filled with scientists who are capable of building machinery that can warp reality, or build machines using code from beings that encompass all aspects of reality. Those same scientists can very easily stop a missile from hitting them with their resources and intelligence. Humanity would just have to overwhelm the absolute hell out of these scientists with missiles for them to get a solid hit on the tower.

What's the range of the scientists themselves, or their equipment? In the worst case scenario for them, something like an ICBM wouldn't need to detonate all that close to the tower to deal damage or destroy it and not risk getting shot down. Your average, modern-day nuclear weapon can destroy most buildings 12 kilometres (Bout 7.5 miles) away. Unless it's built to take those sorts of energy a direct hit might not be necessary

Of course, humanity's options for taking it out extend far beyond just nukes and ballistic missiles. Artillery, for example, can be spammed in ridiculous numbers, like with the war in ukraine, and can also use Cluster Munitons, which would be particularly effective against big, stationary targets like the science tower, which the us in particular has stockpiled in the millions. There's a lot of projectiles they'd need to take out once they are launched, and they'd be getting attacked by air threats at the same time, too, which can also use these weapons from similar distances

The images below gives you a good idea of their range, and for this reason, cluster munitions in particular probably be pretty effective against an onslaught of zeds too if countries aren't willing to drop nukes on their own soil to kill them.

 

[Rayfire]

Ah, alr still though, the united states alone is far bigger than one nevada in terms of size. I don't think the zeds will be a win button, at least not straight away

I should probably also ask how willing nexus core would be willing to use project zed? If their plan went perfectly and they wiped out humanity with it, killing billions of zombies that could ravage their own government in hours sounds like a very overwhelming clean-up

 

[Comiphorous]

Ah, alr still though, the united states alone is far bigger than one nevada in terms of size. I don't think the zeds will be a win button, at least not straight away

Actually in Madness Combat Nevada is like either 1-C or 1-A in size due to cosmology bullshit nobody cares about. United States got nothing on this Nevada

The zed's would probably be at a pretty hefty initial disadvantage though, particularly in a country with a large military. It's a virus, so it needs to infect a lot of people to gain traction. Unless nexus core also had time to prepare for such a situation, 2 days of prep is plenty to get the human race ready for a lot of huge stuff, so if this is the case it's definitely going to take a lot longer for zeds to make progress, as long as humans are quick to react, which i think they will be, even just 5 minutes is more than enough to get a lot of military aircraft in the air if they are on full alert, so 2 days should be enough to get them prepped to do just that

If a country has to send part of their military to deal with the Zeds within their own country, that stretches a country's armies thinner and allows NEXUS Core to far easier invade and destroy nations they're attacking. The issue isn't whether or not a country's military would be enough to stop a Zed outbreak, (most with missiles will, if they need to, have enough power to get rid of them) it's if they'd step in soon enough to where they wouldn't need to bomb their own land to fully get rid of them which will heavily impact their future defense and attacks against Nexus Core

What's the range of the scientists themselves, or their equipment? In the worst case scenario for them, something like an ICBM wouldn't need to detonate all that close to the tower to deal damage or destroy it and not risk getting shot down. Your average, modern-day nuclear weapon can destroy most buildings 12 kilometres (Bout 7.5 miles) away. Unless it's built to take those sorts of energy a direct hit might not be necessary

Depends on the equipment. Nexus Core built the improbability drive, which is able to manipulate the weather and even manipulate the sun itself from the ground. (this is the boring wincon for Nexus Core where they just turn the sun into a person and kill it causing all of humanity to die out in like 8 minutes) Anything beyond that doesn't really matter but they have built inter dimensional portals aswell. range isn't exactly an issue for them, and can likely target any country on the planet that they want. The Science Tower is within Nexus City, so chances are they'd also need to bomb Nexus City itself which probably would cause internal conflicts about innocent civilian lives apart of Nexus City.

but if they do decide to nuke those *******, chances are they can't get close enough without going inside of the city for the bomb. which would be a problem since they'd be spotted way before they could get in range of The Science Tower with anything which gives them time to stop any missiles or nuclear weaponry hitting them.

I should probably also ask how willing nexus core would be willing to use project zed? If their plan went perfectly and they wiped out humanity with it, killing billions of zombies that could ravage their own government in hours sounds like a very overwhelming clean-up

You'd be surprised on how little Phobos cares about the lives of others, especially with how worthless lives are in his army since he can infinitely resurrect and clone to immediately replace a soldier. In a different outbreak of Zeds (which i might be misremembering, but i think he purposefully started) he had told everyone that it wasn't actually happening and told everyone who claimed it was happening were terrorist propagandists, likely so to get more people killed. This outbreak they did contain and recover from, so chances are they can do the same here (just on a grander scale)

He probably doesn't care about the cleanup of getting rid of the potential billions of zeds, and would probably enjoy that.

 

[Sinpokefan]

Ah, alr still though, the united states alone is far bigger than one nevada in terms of size. I don't think the zeds will be a win button, at least not straight away

The zed's would probably be at a pretty hefty initial disadvantage though, particularly in a country with a large military. It's a virus, so it needs to infect a lot of people to gain traction. Unless nexus core also had time to prepare for such a situation, 2 days of prep is plenty to get the human race ready for a lot of huge stuff, so if this is the case it's definitely going to take a lot longer for zeds to make progress, as long as humans are quick to react, which i think they will be, even just 5 minutes is more than enough to get a lot of military aircraft in the air if they are on full alert, so 2 days should be enough to get them prepped to do just that

What's the range of the scientists themselves, or their equipment? In the worst case scenario for them, something like an ICBM wouldn't need to detonate all that close to the tower to deal damage or destroy it and not risk getting shot down. Your average, modern-day nuclear weapon can destroy most buildings 12 kilometres (Bout 7.5 miles) away. Unless it's built to take those sorts of energy a direct hit might not be necessary

Of course, humanity's options for taking it out extend far beyond just nukes and ballistic missiles. Artillery, for example, can be spammed in ridiculous numbers, like with the war in ukraine, and can also use Cluster Munitons, which would be particularly effective against big, stationary targets like the science tower, which the us in particular has stockpiled in the millions. There's a lot of projectiles they'd need to take out once they are launched, and they'd be getting attacked by air threats at the same time, too, which can also use these weapons from similar distances

The images below gives you a good idea of their range, and for this reason, cluster munitions in particular probably be pretty effective against an onslaught of zeds too if countries aren't willing to drop nukes on their own soil to kill them.

Just as a note standard Nexus scientists are equiped with a laser pistolet which fires concentrated photons that would brun through any armor. Which let's to, what in my personal opinion, is the Nexus Core main wincon, that being their scifi weapons and super soldiers.

Nexus Soldats are capable of 1v1 and beating the arena mode protagonist and give a decent fight to Hank and co. IRL soldiers would be shooting every single bullet go a small squad of them just to see them, dodge, block and even redirect bullets to them while they close with their standard swords or if you wanna be real shitty they would give them Nexus blades making even the smallest touch an insta kill

 

[Comiphorous]

Just as a note standard Nexus scientists are equiped with a laser pistolet which fires concentrated photons that would brun through any armor. Which let's to, what in my personal opinion, is the Nexus Core main wincon, that being their scifi weapons and super soldiers.

The games literally do not have them standardly equipped with laser pistols, let alone weapons at all. They are either typically unarmed, or have small arm pistols.

And scientists aren't even on the frontlines. so that wouldn't even make any difference unless humanity attacked the science tower, where the scientists would have a couple dozen better options of fighting back than a pocket pistol.

 

[Rayfire]

Nexus Soldats are capable of 1v1 and beating the arena mode protagonist and give a decent fight to Hank and co. IRL soldiers would be shooting every single bullet go a small squad of them just to see them, dodge, block and even redirect bullets to them while they close with their standard swords or if you wanna be real shitty they would give them Nexus blades making even the smallest touch an insta kill

Speed is equalized i think, i don't know what it's equalized to, but bullets from irl guns should be a lot faster than them.

Forgot about this, imma reply soon

 

[Comiphorous]

Speed is equalized i think, i don't know what it's equalized to, but bullets from irl guns should be a lot faster than them.

Actually, it was already calculated and said photon blasts were like relativistic+ or something stupid like that. he isn't wrong that them using those would blitz the shit out of anything humanity had, he's just wrong about it being standard equipment for the scientists.

Either way, i have no idea how speed equalized works in this situation since speed values are so different with characters on Nexus Core's side. if i had to guess i'm assuming everything is equalized to the absolute slowest unit that can be used in this war.

 

[Rayfire]

Actually in Madness Combat Nevada is like either 1-C or 1-A in size due to cosmology bullshit nobody cares about. United States got nothing on this Nevada

The Science Tower is within Nexus City, so chances are they'd also need to bomb Nexus City itself which probably would cause internal conflicts about innocent civilian lives apart of Nexus City.

Well, i mean, humanity has a common enemy here, so i don't think that'll be the biggest concern, especially for countries known for not caring about warcrimes and sh*t, like most middle-east countries, russia, myanmar, etc, those guys in particular would be unlikely to show any mercy

but if they do decide to nuke those *******, chances are they can't get close enough without going inside of the city for the bomb. which would be a problem since they'd be spotted way before they could get in range of The Science Tower with anything which gives them time to stop any missiles or nuclear weaponry hitting them.

Is nexus city itself supposed to have tier 1 size or something too? (In which case is this even a debate) ICBMS should have thousands of kilometres worth of range

It's assumed the science tower is on earth, and nuclear weapons can reach pretty much everywhere especially in the northern hemisphere. If the classic artillery & ballistic missile spamming won't work without going inside the city itself despite being very high into dozens of kilometres in terms of range, then those would still be an option, especially since we have plenty of nukes to go around

Do the scientists in the science tower use any electronics at all? Humans can disrupt them via various means, so if they can't fight back against something like top-tier hackers going after them, or just straight up frying their stuff with microwaves or radio signal jammers, that'd make them pretty vulnerable

 

[Comiphorous]

Reasonable reaction to that information.

Is nexus city itself supposed to have tier 1 size or something too? (In which case is this even a debate) ICBMS should have thousands of kilometres worth of range

No, but it's still absolutely enormous.

To put it perspective, Nexus Core's main method of repopulation is resurrecting the dead by taking their souls from the afterlife back to the living. Nexus Core's territory is meant to house as many Nevadeans that has and will ever die in Nevada's tens of millions of years of it's violent existence as they physically can. We have never seen the full scope of how large Nexus Core's territory truly is beyond important locations like The Science Tower and Nexus City.

Do the scientists in the science tower use any electronics at all? Humans can disrupt them via various means, so if they can't fight back against something like top-tier hackers going after them, or just straight up frying their stuff with microwaves or radio signal jammers, that'd make them pretty vulnerable

It'd be a big assumption to assume they can disrupt their technology, since they use the souls of the dead and corrupting radiation gas from the depths of hell to power their technology. IIRC the only thing they're confirmed to use regular electricity to run is street lamps.

 

[Sinpokefan]

Actually, it was already calculated and said photon blasts were like relativistic+ or something stupid like that. he isn't wrong that them using those would blitz the shit out of anything humanity had, he's just wrong about it being standard equipment for the scientists.

Either way, i have no idea how speed equalized works in this situation since speed values are so different with characters on Nexus Core's side. if i had to guess i'm assuming everything is equalized to the absolute slowest unit that can be used in this war.

I couldn't answer before but the Nexus Scientists from MPN 2 do come with laser guns as a standart

Nexus Scientist wiki page They are usually seen with laser pistols, but a few of them can be seen in the campaign with dissonance and other laser weapons.

 

[Comiphorous]

I couldn't answer before but the Nexus Scientists from MPN 2 do come with laser guns as a standart

Nexus Scientist wiki page They are usually seen with laser pistols, but a few of them can be seen in the campaign with dissonance and other laser weapons.

That’s after Nexus Core’s entire government collapses. In flashbacks scientists do not have weaponry readily available on them.

Nexus scientists likely built the weapons to keep themselves safe from the dozen factions fighting over control of a dying city.

 

[Sinpokefan]

That’s after Nexus Core’s entire government collapses. In flashbacks scientists do not have weaponry readily available on them.

Nexus scientists likely built the weapons to keep themselves safe from the dozen factions fighting over control of a dying city.

The match said thatthey get everything till 7-C I say that the Scientists having laser guns isn't really weird considering that they are in war

Also it does say that they get prep time, so it wouldn't surprise me that they would give the scientists their guns.

As for things like tanks and planes.

Mhati so yeah I say Nexus has this in the bag

 

[Rayfire]

As for things like tanks and planes.

Mhati so yeah I say Nexus has this in the bag

Most military aircraft nowadays don't need to be close to the ground to the point where small arms fire can hit them. Even something as crappy as a B-52 can do this from over a dozens kilometres up with unguided bombs. Unless everyone in nexus is impossibly skilled i doubt they'll be able to do that. It's specified that the gun's size is very large too, so i don't think too many nexus guys will be carrying it around anyway. It wouldn't be practical when they have so much more than just aircraft and ground vehicles to deal with.

What kind of tanks has it been effective against? There's no anti-tank rifle in real life that can do a whole lot to a modern tank, they can basically dent the weaker sides of it at best. It'd have to upscale irl tanks by quite a bit

I'll reply to everything else later, busy atm so i'll just drop in with something

 

[Sinpokefan]

Most military aircraft nowadays don't need to be close to the ground to the point where small arms fire can hit them. Even something as crappy as a B-52 can do this from over a dozens kilometres up with unguided bombs. Unless everyone in nexus is impossibly skilled i doubt they'll be able to do that. It's specified that the gun's size is very large too, so i don't think too many nexus guys will be carrying it around anyway. It wouldn't be practical when they have so much more than just aircraft and ground vehicles to deal with.

What kind of tanks has it been effective against? There's no anti-tank rifle in real life that can do a whole lot to a modern tank, they can basically dent the weaker sides of it at best. It'd have to upscale irl tanks by quite a bit

I'll reply to everything else later, busy atm so i'll just drop in with something

1.- G03LM they are widly known for being able to lift mining trucks like nothing and even an standart G03LM can casually carry the Mhati. So now imagine a dozen or so of this shooting to the planes.
2.- Mags are also quite good. Over 5 meter giants that have special guns to blow up shit. There is again dissonance. Which they just need to hit you once to desintegrate them into an atomic level.
3.- worse comes to fail they remake their teleporting G03LMs to blitz through aircrafts anslaughter everything in there.

 

[Rayfire]

Most military aircraft nowadays don't need to be close to the ground to the point where small arms fire can hit them. Even something as crappy as a B-52 can do this from over a dozens kilometres up with unguided bombs.

I realised this doesn't actually say anything about the heights of which unguided bombs can be dropped, but here's this

1.- G03LM they are widly known for being able to lift mining trucks like nothing and even an standart G03LM can casually carry the Mhati. So now imagine a dozen or so of this shooting to the planes.
2.- Mags are also quite good. Over 5 meter giants that have special guns to blow up shit. There is again dissonance. Which they just need to hit you once to desintegrate them into an atomic level.
3.- worse comes to fail they remake their teleporting G03LMs to blitz through aircrafts anslaughter everything in there.

I'll reply to everything else later, busy atm so i'll just drop in with something

 

[Rayfire]

1.- G03LM they are widly known for being able to lift mining trucks like nothing and even an standart G03LM can casually carry the Mhati. So now imagine a dozen or so of this shooting to the planes.
2.- Mags are also quite good. Over 5 meter giants that have special guns to blow up shit. There is again dissonance. Which they just need to hit you once to desintegrate them into an atomic level.
3.- worse comes to fail they remake their teleporting G03LMs to blitz through aircrafts anslaughter everything in there.

Have you ever tried to shoot ANYTHING with a gun from several kilometres away? If they shot at something particularly slow for military aircraft like most heavy bombers from the ground, a B-52 would have moved about... 3.6 kilometres from where they fired. Unless it's another laser weapon (Which it doesn't seem to be) there is no shot they are ever hitting any human aircraft with it, and even then, humans don't even need to fly over nexus city to bomb them. Conventional bombers like the B-52 is, like, the worst thing humanity has for bombing lmao

Also, does a golem have reactive armor? This would also prevent a modern tank from getting one-shot by any piercing stuff, and i have no clue if any of the tanks that the mhati seemingly took out were shown to have them

No, but it's still absolutely enormous.

To put it perspective, Nexus Core's main method of repopulation is resurrecting the dead by taking their souls from the afterlife back to the living. Nexus Core's territory is meant to house as many Nevadeans that has and will ever die in Nevada's tens of millions of years of it's violent existence as they physically can. We have never seen the full scope of how large Nexus Core's territory truly is beyond important locations like The Science Tower and Nexus City.

Alright, if i'm picturing this right, they'd either need to go for the science tower with drone/aircraft and long-range missile spamming to overwhelm it's defenses, or just go full sicko mode on nexus city and blitzkrieg till the rest of their arsenal gets in range. Although they could do both at the same time most likely.

Nexus city is also, well, a city, so if it's located on earth like the science tower is, they can probably expect to face this from all angles too

Is there any other incident where the nexus government has been on the verge of collapse other than project zed? Right now the most viable wincon i see for humans is nuking project nexus from what i understand

 

[Sinpokefan]

Have you ever tried to shoot ANYTHING with a gun from several kilometres away? If they shot at something particularly slow for military aircraft like most heavy bombers from the ground, a B-52 would have moved about... 3.6 kilometres from where they fired. Unless it's another laser weapon (Which it doesn't seem to be) there is no shot they are ever hitting any human aircraft with it, and even then, humans don't even need to fly over nexus city to bomb them. Conventional bombers like the B-52 is, like, the worst thing humanity has for bombing lmao

Also, does a golem have reactive armor? This would also prevent a modern tank from getting one-shot by any piercing stuff, and i have no clue if any of the tanks that the mhati seemingly took out were shown to have them

Alright, if i'm picturing this right, they'd either need to go for the science tower with drone/aircraft and long-range missile spamming to overwhelm it's defenses, or just go full sicko mode on nexus city and blitzkrieg till the rest of their arsenal gets in range. Although they could do both at the same time most likely.

Nexus city is also, well, a city, so if it's located on earth like the science tower is, they can probably expect to face this from all angles too

Is there any other incident where the nexus government has been on the verge of collapse other than project zed? Right now the most viable wincon i see for humans is nuking project nexus from what i understand

N51 a military faction that is directly based in the US and has similar stuff outright decided to not use tanks against Nexus because of the mathi

As for are they supper skilled? The answer is yes. The shield of the riot guards can tank rounds from the mathi and only dissonance seams to affect it

Same with G03LM armor and specially the Black guard armor.

Even AAHW agents which are very low in the food chain can hit an helicopter mid movement. I don't doubt that a specialized G03LM with a sniper could do it. + Even a defective G03LM like Jorge can hit a fly with his sniper from a mile away also what do they counter the teleporters or dissonance weaponry?

 

[Comiphorous]

Have you ever tried to shoot ANYTHING with a gun from several kilometres away? If they shot at something particularly slow for military aircraft like most heavy bombers from the ground, a B-52 would have moved about... 3.6 kilometres from where they fired. Unless it's another laser weapon (Which it doesn't seem to be) there is no shot they are ever hitting any human aircraft with it, and even then, humans don't even need to fly over nexus city to bomb them. Conventional bombers like the B-52 is, like, the worst thing humanity has for bombing lmao

Honestly bombing Nexus City doesn't hurt Nexus Core at all. It'd just be humans murdering innocents for the fun of it. (But, we all need a little fun during times of war, right? Maybe both sides can bond by murdering innocent Nexus City civilians)

it's when anyone sees a missile toward the nexus tower is where the problem comes forward, obviously. which is probably when they'd immediately start using their crazy ass technology

heres a full list of things they could do to avoid whatever humanity shoots at them, whether it be a missile, nuke, or bombs;

-Use the keystone fragment to telekinetically redirect it

-Activate the improbability drive, and turn it into a marshmallow

-use Dissonance Reality to shift the gravity of the missile and redirect it somewhere else

-Use the divergence machine to shoot it out of the air (this only works on missiles or bombs, since if they shoot a nuke out of the air it'd still probably hit them)


They have a few options to get rid of any missiles or nukes coming at them.

Also, does a golem have reactive armor? This would also prevent a modern tank from getting one-shot by any piercing stuff, and i have no clue if any of the tanks that the mhati seemingly took out were shown to have them

It's not specified how their armor functions, but it's shown to be basically immune to every gun in the game that isn't an explosive directly at their feet.

Also if we wanna get technical, If phobos were to do any direct fighting, as a G01 he can train his body to allow him to completely ignore armor on an opponent with his fists or with weapons he's holding (can't remember if he can do it with guns though), so if anyone does get into a direct fight with him, regardless what they have on, he could just punch through it and do critical damage.

Luckily this doesn't apply to most of his subordinates, so unless humanity tries to fight phobos directly with a tank, they shouldn't come across this problem.

Is there any other incident where the nexus government has been on the verge of collapse other than project zed? Right now the most viable wincon i see for humans is nuking project nexus from what i understand

Surprisingly, Phobos is a competent leader when he isn't purposefully sabotaging things and not trying to become a living deity.

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

bump

 

[AppleMaker]

So, this match is fair or it was considered a stomp?

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

both

 

[User_A_98732165489]

One consideration is that only NEXUS Core has portals in this case. If they start losing, they just shut portal down and go to rebuild themselves, while earthlings can't get to them. TRW has more manpower but NEXUS recovers it faster. As such, it would go on for years straight.

The main limiting factor on number of NEXUS forces is Hank J Wimbelton; without him around, NEXUS can just create clones and facilities exponentially. After about 20 to 40 years, NEXUS will just drown TRW in "human waves" and win.

 

[Arkansalter2]

One consideration is that only NEXUS Core has portals in this case. If they start losing, they just shut portal down and go to rebuild themselves, while earthlings can't get to them. TRW has more manpower but NEXUS recovers it faster. As such, it would go on for years straight.

The main limiting factor on number of NEXUS forces is Hank J Wimbelton; without him around, NEXUS can just create clones and facilities exponentially. After about 20 to 40 years, NEXUS will just drown TRW in "human waves" and win.

This is outdated, son.