The Spirit of Eternity Sword Information Type 2 Addition

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Randomly thought about this series and realized there is a good argument for a lot more characters having information type 2, but first lets add life manipulation.

Life Manipulation for Eternity Sword Users​

Mana is the main element of life in the Time Tree, without it life can't exist, and Eternity Sword Users can control mana (Seinarukana, Chapter 2).

This is said in the first game too, that mana is life itself, and the bodies of spirits and etrangers are made of mana (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3). They are also stated to be able to directly absorb mana (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3).

So every Eternity Sword User should get Life Manipulation.

Body Control, Information Manipulation Type 2 for Eternity Sword Users (Seinarukana)​

Mana is stated to be the root of power for everything in the Time Tree (Seinarukana, Chapter 3), with the bodies of Eternity Sword Users being made up of mana (Seinarukana, Chapter 10). First scan i posted here, also states they basically absorb mana and strengthen themselves. Should also mention that the Time Tree itself was made from Et Ca Repha's mana (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), so makes sense mana is the root of everything.

Here is the interesting part, because the bodies of Eternity Sword Users are made of mana, they can convert themselves into data and be stored into the Log Sector (Seinarukana, Chapter 7).

The Log Sector has already been accepted as information type 2, but forgot where that was, so to reiterate, The Log Sector contains information (Seinarukana, Chapter 7), and data (Seinarukana, Chapter 8), with everything in the Time Tree being recorded in there (Seinarukana, Chapter 8). Altering the data in the Log Sector, changes the rules governing the Time Tree (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), and the data in the Log Sector can remake the world itself (Seinarukana, Chapter 12).

So to put this all together, mana is the root of power for everything in the Time Tree, which as a result allows Eternity Sword Users to be able to convert themselves from mana into data, which makes up everything in the Time Tree, and governs its laws. So they should get Information Manipulation (Type 2) & Data Manipulation, along with Body Control, and I suppose Intangibility? Since they can exist as just data.

Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1, Aspect Type 4) For Null Beings​

Null beings are made of null mana which is essentially anti-life (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), that turns everything into nothingness (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), and is the power of the void (Seinarukana, Chapter 12). Null beings can't coexist with mana, and are beings who are in opposition of the laws of the universe (Seinarukana, Chapter 12). Mana and null mana are opposite ends of the spectrum, with null beings rejecting the very power of the universe itself (Seinarukana, Chapter 12).

So basically if everything in the world has its source being in mana which includes the Log Sector which has fundamental information, Null Beings are the exact opposite of that, having no mana, so they as nonexistent beings should lack information imo.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bump.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

agree FRA, should I send dis to staff?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I could summon them, but I usually take a little time before spamming staff.

Also I have been thinking about the conceptual aspect of null beings, or the lack there of I should say. I originally thought about how beings such as Absolute Law have existed since the beginning of the Time Tree as the embodiment's of its concepts, but due to the nature of this verse, where a lot of it is a turn based rpg in a sense, you don't really get a full picture of the power of the characters, hence why their speed is unknown.

So we know they are the embodiments of concepts, but we don't have an accompanying statement about them being immortal or lacking a physical body, so they have just had the generic Eternal abstract status which is limited.

But I suppose we can still make it work somehow, the souls of Eternals are conceptual (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3), this isn't really expanded upon besides the fact that essentially because its conceptual they aren't limited, so they can go anywhere they feel like, so this would be a type 3 concept at best.

Null mana completely consumes a person body and soul (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), this was said about Yaga who is an Eternal, so her soul which is conceptual is nothingness. Absolute Law and Unstoppable Force who are both Eternal's were also consumed by Yaga's null mana (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), so I think it can be argued they lack a concept.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I could summon them, but I usually take a little time before spamming staff.

Also I have been thinking about the conceptual aspect of null beings, or the lack there of I should say. I originally thought about how beings such as Absolute Law have existed since the beginning of the Time Tree as the embodiment's of its concepts, but due to the nature of this verse, where a lot of it is a turn based rpg in a sense, you don't really get a full picture of the power of the characters, hence why their speed is unknown.

So we know they are the embodiments of concepts, but we don't have an accompanying statement about them being immortal or lacking a physical body, so they have just had the generic Eternal abstract status which is limited.

But I suppose we can still make it work somehow, the souls of Eternals are conceptual (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3), this isn't really expanded upon besides the fact that essentially because its conceptual they aren't limited, so they can go anywhere they feel like, so this would be a type 3 concept at best.

Null mana completely consumes a person body and soul (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), this was said about Yaga who is an Eternal, so her soul which is conceptual is nothingness. Absolute Law and Unstoppable Force who are both Eternal's were also consumed by Yaga's null mana (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), so I think it can be argued they lack a concept.

this said, do they even have Ap feats? given most of this should be unkown no?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If you check the profiles, they have ap feats, it's mostly based on lore really.

Which isn't to say the series doesn't have some weird things going on ie the retcon of Eternal's power from the 1st game to the 2nd, where before Eternal's were limited by how much mana was in a world, to then that not being mentioned at all and the the nerf is actually a result of the laws Et Ca Repha created, and really doesn't nerf them that much.

Or the absurd level of Setoki's friends where they are the reincarnation of Gods made from Jirol's power, but yet somehow defeat Et Ca Repha who is stronger than Jirol... But hey this series makes it clear will power surpasses everything, and they a lot of it, so explanation is their will made them stronger than they should have been.

But yea this is all a side note.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

There is weirdly enough an argument for the cast from the first game being Low 1-C, which would match the strength of the 2nd game, making things consistent, though they would only be on that level in their own world which is filled with mana, so at their peak. It's stated many times that the universe is infinite and that infinite worlds exist, the world of Eternal's are beyond all dimensions, and transcends space-time.

Back to this thread though, not only does mana exist everywhere, humans despite having flesh and blood have souls made up of mana, meanwhile spirits, etrangers etc are made up of pure mana (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3). Expanding on the previous conceptual soul statement, it's again stated mana exists everywhere, and since Yuuto's soul is conceptual it isn't bound by distance or space, so his body can be reconstructed anywhere, because mana exists everywhere (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3).

So essentially all humans have souls made up of mana, but the souls of spirits and etrangers are made up of pure mana, which is why it's a conceptual thing which has no restrictions is my interpretation, so like either a type 3 concepts with some neat applications or possibly a type 2 since it's based on mana which exists everywhere.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Bump @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Vietthai96 @Reiner04

 

[Vietthai96]

So every Eternity Sword User should get Life Manipulation.

This is oke

Information Manipulation (Type 2) & Data Manipulation

This is oke

Body Control

No? Converting yourself to data/information is just either transformation or self-transmutation. Body control means you control parts of your body, not convert youself to something else

Intangibility

Yeah

Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1, Aspect Type 4) For Null Beings

This is oke

 

[Reiner04]

Converting yourself to data/information is just either transformation or self-transmutation

^
Rest is good.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

What about aspect type 2 for NEP?

Also I have been thinking about the conceptual aspect of null beings, or the lack there of I should say. I originally thought about how beings such as Absolute Law have existed since the beginning of the Time Tree as the embodiment's of its concepts, but due to the nature of this verse, where a lot of it is a turn based rpg in a sense, you don't really get a full picture of the power of the characters, hence why their speed is unknown.

So we know they are the embodiments of concepts, but we don't have an accompanying statement about them being immortal or lacking a physical body, so they have just had the generic Eternal abstract status which is limited.

But I suppose we can still make it work somehow, the souls of Eternals are conceptual (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3), this isn't really expanded upon besides the fact that essentially because its conceptual they aren't limited, so they can go anywhere they feel like, so this would be a type 3 concept at best.

Null mana completely consumes a person body and soul (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), this was said about Yaga who is an Eternal, so her soul which is conceptual is nothingness. Absolute Law and Unstoppable Force who are both Eternal's were also consumed by Yaga's null mana (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), so I think it can be argued they lack a concept.

Back to this thread though, not only does mana exist everywhere, humans despite having flesh and blood have souls made up of mana, meanwhile spirits, etrangers etc are made up of pure mana (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3). Expanding on the previous conceptual soul statement, it's again stated mana exists everywhere, and since Yuuto's soul is conceptual it isn't bound by distance or space, so his body can be reconstructed anywhere, because mana exists everywhere (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3).

So essentially all humans have souls made up of mana, but the souls of spirits and etrangers are made up of pure mana, which is why it's a conceptual thing which has no restrictions is my interpretation, so like either a type 3 concepts with some neat applications or possibly a type 2 since it's based on mana which exists everywhere.

 

[Reiner04]

I could summon them, but I usually take a little time before spamming staff.

Also I have been thinking about the conceptual aspect of null beings, or the lack there of I should say. I originally thought about how beings such as Absolute Law have existed since the beginning of the Time Tree as the embodiment's of its concepts, but due to the nature of this verse, where a lot of it is a turn based rpg in a sense, you don't really get a full picture of the power of the characters, hence why their speed is unknown.

So we know they are the embodiments of concepts, but we don't have an accompanying statement about them being immortal or lacking a physical body, so they have just had the generic Eternal abstract status which is limited.

But I suppose we can still make it work somehow, the souls of Eternals are conceptual (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3), this isn't really expanded upon besides the fact that essentially because its conceptual they aren't limited, so they can go anywhere they feel like, so this would be a type 3 concept at best.

Null mana completely consumes a person body and soul (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), this was said about Yaga who is an Eternal, so her soul which is conceptual is nothingness. Absolute Law and Unstoppable Force who are both Eternal's were also consumed by Yaga's null mana (Seinarukana, Chapter 12), so I think it can be argued they lack a concept.

It seems to make sense to me, so Type 2 should be fine.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I just realized they already had type 2...

So yea my bad, forgot I added it years ago, on the other hand, I think they should have type 3.

Yaga's body and soul (Seinarukana Chapter 12) was consumed by null mana, and the mind and soul have been shown to be the same, as destroying the soul, also destroys the mind (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3).

 

[Elizhaa]

Body Control does not look accurate like said above, from the wiki definition. The rest look fine,

So yea my bad, forgot I added it years ago, on the other hand, I think they should have type 3.

This case looks fine,

 

[Vietthai96]

I just realized they already had type 2...

So yea my bad, forgot I added it years ago, on the other hand, I think they should have type 3.

Yaga's body and soul (Seinarukana Chapter 12) was consumed by null mana, and the mind and soul have been shown to be the same, as destroying the soul, also destroys the mind (Aselia the Eternal, Chapter 3).

Oke i guess

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Cool, this should be good to go now.