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The Unwritten Revision (Short-Hand Explanation)

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Today, I’ll be tackling Unwritten as requested by many people who forced me to do this. I decided to pause on the reading within spans of months hence why it took so long to make this since I didn’t do it when it was fresh on my mind. So, I managed to gather everything in a span of a couple hours from the second half of the Unwritten series since that’s were all the cosmological storytelling is.

Before I start I will say there are a lot of anti-feat to which most are too small or insignificant except a couple which really deters the rating. So this is more brutal since the writing style hinges a lot on metaphor and symbolism which is hard to decipher a lot of the times.

Also, the story telling is separated by volumes but for simplicity sake, I’ll count it all as just one volume. Since the Cosmology already well explains it, this will be a short read over something not to overlook.


You can also read @Samael_010 blog page for more context:


Symbolism of the structure of Reality(Collective Unconscious)​

Now, the Unwritten tells us of a story of the protagonist named Tommy Taylor, whom is both a fictional character in his own story. Regardless, the synopsis doesn’t really matter and I’ll skip to the meats and potatoes of the arguments.

In a metaphor explained stories and people telling of story are described as ants originating from the nest being the source for all the story.Which in reference is talking about human’s collective unconscious which is represented by a white sperm whale or in this case, Leviathans. (Unwritten Vol.1 #23)

The stories are intertwined within Collective Unconcious (Unwritten Vol.1 #22) where they all meet at a point in the Ocean of Pure Concepts. This is symbolic because well “whales swim” though this ocean of stories is disconnected from the order of Leviathan’s. So we’re still within the vastness of parallel worlds/stories and the collective unconscious connecting in between the lines of real and unreal. (Unwritten Vol.1 #50)

Anti-Feat:​

Despite the multiple claims of worlds upon worlds, that worlds of stories described as a stairway without top or bottom, nor the endless stacking of stories. In the same manner these stories are tied in a great knot and not a stacked hierarchy.

So which is it? Well, in the context everything is symbolized as one stories is told by another which is told by another. These stories have the potential of being real as all story can be more real then previous. So, this is a matter is the spaces containing these stories are parallel, it does not discount a hierarchy which an entire volume was dedicated on explaining the realm of Hades and the stairway, in which the endlessness of said stairway is connected with all stories. (Unwritten Vol.1 #24)

So it still remains 1-A+ due to containing an endless amount of stories which is depicted as levels with some stories being more conventionally more real than the previous.

Cetacean Hierarchy and the Mother Whale:​

The order and magnitude of the species of whales are called Cetacean which Carey uses this idea to describe the next hierarchy separate of the worlds. As stated beyond reality is a stacked oceans of these beings. So a separate different hierarchy which the Cosmology blog already states in several instances of it being beyond the stacking of worlds/stories. Which they are the consciousness behind the world and the words where all things are bubble dreams drifting across another ocean of consciousness. They’re even explained to be more human and truer than humans. (Unwritten Vol.1 #35)

Anti-Feat:​

Hurting a Leviathan is possible but only when there are connected through the worlds between us and theirs. Plus, this was only possible due to Tom Taylor, so there’s not much of an anti-feat to discuss since Tom Taylor is very much beyond all the stories as well as more powerful than the Leviathan's.

With that being said, the hierarchy is displayed as different, higher, and beyond the worlds of stories. The meta nature of the Unwritten splits even harder since there’s no ending to the regression of whales which applies to the worlds as well hence why infinite of infinite layers into 1-A and High 1-A still works. Also, Pullman even as the Devil and all stories in his realm still pales in comparison to the whales beyond him. (Unwritten Vol.1 #49) After all the merging of all these stories can be contained inside one whale with the stories being described as its organs. (Unwritten Vol.1 #43)

Since the final whale is the source of the other whales encompassing a space for a hierarchy. The Mother Whale will get High 1-A as well.

The Perfect Whiteness/The Unwritten Blank Page:

While this came super close to being 0, it is dragged down since a fictional things was within its waves of nothingness. (Unwritten Vol.1 #47) Yeah, the only anti-feat that actually works……

The ends of stories and everything in complete silence and perfection. (Unwritten Vol.1 #54) Reffered to as non-being, the nothingness that is everything and everywhere, and the space of all possibilities from which everything came. Turning of a blank page where anything is possible, but it still falls short of 0, sadly.

Since 0 can’t work here, instead it will be regarded as High 1-A+(type 2). If anyone could contest this then 0 is very possible.

TL: DR(Tiering Conclusion):​

  • Collective Unconscious and Hierarchy of Worlds: 1-A+
  • Cetacean Hierarchy and the Leviathan's: High 1-A
  • The Leviathan/Mother Leviathan: High 1-A
  • The Perfect Whiteness: High 1-A+(type 2)

Miscellaneous:​

Enlil and Utu can both be considered to be High 1-A.
 
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Goofy is gettin too good at these High Tier 1 revisions. Gotta step my game up to compete...

Collective Unconsciousness makes complete sense being Base 1-A+. As its an infinite hierarchy of R>F Stories​


Agree with everythin here as usual Goofy.

P.S. The link for "different" leads to a complete blank page.
"So a separate a different heirarchy which...[]"
 
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I agree with all but it's a pity that at level 0 can't use it.
I’m in the talks with some people to see if the scan discounting it is legit nor not. Since the description of the Perfect Whiteness matches apophatic theology and is sort of a stand-in for “Ground of Being” philosophy.
 

Cetacean Hierarchy and the Mother Whale:​

The order and magnitude of the species of whales are called Cetacean which Carey uses this idea to describe the next hierarchy separate of the worlds. As stated beyond reality is a stacked oceans of these beings. So a separate different hierarchy which the Cosmology blog already states in several instances of it being beyond the stacking of worlds/stories. Which they are the consciousness behind the world and the words where all things are bubble dreams drifting across another ocean of consciousness. They’re even explained to be more human and truer than humans. (Unwritten Vol.1 #35)

Anti-Feat:​

Hurting a Leviathan is possible but only when there are connected through the worlds between us and theirs. Plus, this was only possible due to Tom Taylor, so there’s not much of an anti-feat to discuss since Tom Taylor is very much beyond all the stories as well as more powerful than the Leviathan's.

With that being said, the hierarchy is displayed as different, higher, and beyond the worlds of stories. The meta nature of the Unwritten splits even harder since there’s no ending to the regression of whales which applies to the worlds as well hence why infinite of infinite layers into 1-A and High 1-A still works. Also, Pullman even as the Devil and all stories in his realm still pales in comparison to the whales beyond him. (Unwritten Vol.1 #49) After all the merging of all these stories can be contained inside one whale with the stories being described as its organs. (Unwritten Vol.1 #43)
That is not High 1A but higher into 1A, since it is just a separate/different hierarchy without the transcendence needed for High 1A. It being beyond the last one does not help; it would only help if it had a statement like "it is beyond all possible extension hierarchies or layers of the last," not just beyond without the word "all" or anything similar. And it also does not transcend the quality, since it does not transcend all forms of r>f or transcend the differentiation between 1A and non-1A.
Since the final whale is the source of the other whales encompassing a space for a hierarchy. The Mother Whale will get High 1-A+(type 1)
💀💀 You do know how large High 1A is.

The Perfect Whiteness/The Unwritten Blank Page:

While this came super close to being 0, it is dragged down since a fictional things was within its waves of nothingness. (Unwritten Vol.1 #47) Yeah, the only anti-feat that actually works……

The ends of stories and everything in complete silence and perfection. (Unwritten Vol.1 #54) Reffered to as non-being, the nothingness that is everything and everywhere, and the space of all possibilities from which everything came. Turning of a blank page where anything is possible, but it still falls short of 0, sadly.

Since 0 can’t work here, instead it will be regarded as High 1-A+(type 2). If anyone could contest this then 0 is very possible.
No proof that they are logical possibilities.
 
That is not High 1A but higher into 1A, since it is just a separate/different hierarchy without the transcendence needed for High 1A. It being beyond the last one does not help; it would only help if it had a statement like "it is beyond all possible extension hierarchies or layers of the last," not just beyond without the word "all" or anything similar. And it also does not transcend the quality, since it does not transcend all forms of r>f or transcend the differentiation between 1A and non-1A.
It literally is beyond it as said several times in the story. One scan already states that they were so vast that the worlds were literal dreams to them and all stories or worlds are just part of their consciousness. That’s clear and definite High 1-A, specific wording such as “all” in this case is semantical.
💀💀 You do know how large High 1A is.
You do know I don’t make gibberish up.
No proof that they are logical possibilities.
Given that its entirety encompasses all stories level including both hierarchies and is the groundwork of everything. Yes, it very much embodies logical possibility.
 
Since the final whale is the source of the other whales encompassing a space for a hierarchy. The Mother Whale will get High 1-A+(type 1)
Being the source of and encompassing all possible High 1-A layers is Meta-meta qualitative, not High 1-A+ type 1.
 
Being the source of and encompassing all possible High 1-A layers is Meta-meta qualitative, not High 1-A+ type 1.
I was more in line that the Mother encompassed the arbitrary possibility of the existence of the Cetacen Hierarchy. In that the Perfect Whiteness made all possibilities, then the Mother Levithan was the focal point of possibility for all the extensions of hierarchy(summed itself as an arbitrarily large world). If it does exist not entirely out of possibility, but linked to the hierarchy then it would just be a meta-meta qualitative hierarchy.

If you happen to prove it then I can make the necessary changes.
 
I was more in line that the Mother encompassed the arbitrary possibility of the existence of the Cetacen Hierarchy. In that the Perfect Whiteness made all possibilities, then the Mother Levithan was the focal point of possibility for all the extensions of hierarchy(summed itself as an arbitrarily large world). If it does exist not entirely out of possibility, but linked to the hierarchy then it would just be a meta-meta qualitative hierarchy.

If you happen to prove it then I can make the necessary changes.
After reading the cosmology blog page, I don't think the Mother even reaches Meta-Meta Qualitative.

If i understand correctly, the Cetacean Hierarchy and the Mother is dependant on the humans since they represent the human's collective unconscious. By eating the stories that humans read, they turn those stories into real worlds (but still stories to the humans who read them). The humans inside those stories then form their own collective unconscious/Leviathan, and so on, forming an infinite regression of Leviathans/collective unconscious and infinite regression of stories.

Since that's the case, then the Mother Leviathan should also be dependant on the "first" humans, being the first collective unconscious that started the infinite regression.
 
Since that's the case, then the Mother Leviathan should also be dependant on the "first" humans, being the first collective unconscious that started the infinite regression.
If no one else disputes your claim then I’ll change it to this.
 
It literally is beyond it as said several times in the story.
One scan already states that they were so vast that the worlds were literal dreams to them and all stories or worlds are just part of their consciousness. That’s clear and definite High 1-A, specific wording such as “all” in this case is semantical.
No, they are just containing an infinite hierarchy, which is not High 1-A but 1-A+, so they would just be at the top of the hierarchy since they are not transcending the quality itself. Viewing them as a dream would also place them higher into 1-A+, since it is still the same quality, no matter how much it changes into a dream, story, book, etc

High Outerverse level: Characters who exist in a state of "meta-qualitative" superiority. This is to say, they are completely above the "quality" defining lower levels of qualitative superiority, residing in a wholly different hierarchy that operates on higher qualities entirely. For example, if a cosmology has a hierarchy of levels of Reality-Fiction Transcendences, and then a character above it transcends all forms of reality and fiction, being a part of a hierarchy whose mode of superiority functions on something else

Note that, in order to be at this tier, the character must exceed the framework of the lower levels entirely, and not simply be at the top of an existing lower hierarchy.
You do know I don’t make gibberish up.
true, but it was just so wanked
Given that its entirety encompasses all stories level including both hierarchies and is the groundwork of everything. Yes, it very much embodies logical possibility.
It still does not make them logical possibilities; they need to be referred to as logical possibilities or have the necessary feats. Just mentioning all possibilities or a potential for everything does not suffice. . https://vsbattles.com/threads/is-this-high-1-a.173216/post-6788611
 
Um just nipping this in the bud there are characters who Ultima has said qualifies for High 1-A+ using the exact premise Goofy is presenting (Pralaya he agreed with, as well as others) . You can also be High 1-A+ without logical possibilities or a Tier 0, it's just logical possibilities , mentioning logic in a significant enough mannerism, or being the embodiment of all a Tier 0 can actualize are the easiest way to achieve it.

Funny thing enough if they just mentioned how The Leviathan can create any story that does or doesn't adhere to internal consistency then this would be impossible to refute.

Alas, I agree with the premise behind Unwritten's upgrade,
 
No, they are just containing an infinite hierarchy, which is not High 1-A but 1-A+, so they would just be at the top of the hierarchy since they are not transcending the quality itself. Viewing them as a dream would also place them higher into 1-A+, since it is still the same quality, no matter how much it changes into a dream, story, book, etc
No, they're viewing the entire framework of what the hierarchy is as a dream in the same vein that 1-A views the baseline level of existence as a dream. It's not talking within the same hierarchy or ontological existence, you can certainly a test this notion but that's simply a horrible interpretation if I ever seen one.
true, but it was just so wanked
That's subjective.
It still does not make them logical possibilities; they need to be referred to as logical possibilities or have the necessary feats. Just mentioning all possibilities or a potential for everything does not suffice. . https://vsbattles.com/threads/is-this-high-1-a.173216/post-6788611
The former need “necessary feats” is self-sufficient due to context. It's not a random name-drop of possibility, I hope you know that.
 
No, they're viewing the entire framework of what the hierarchy is as a dream in the same vein that 1-A views the baseline level of existence as a dream. It's not talking within the same hierarchy or ontological existence, you can certainly a test this notion but that's simply a horrible interpretation if I ever seen one.
ok.
The former need “necessary feats” is self-sufficient due to context. It's not a random name-drop of possibility, I hope you know that.
Okay, since I don't look too deeply into High 1-A+.
 
Agree with High 1-A + but again but can you explain why it isn't tier 0 in detail ?
Based on my observation, basically a character went within the White Nothingness and changed it not being pure white, with him being shown there. But I honestly think that is just for the sake of the narrative, that way you can discern who/what is in there. Keep in mind, this doesn't 100% disprove it of being Tier 0, its just a possible point.

Inb4, I'm absolutely incorrect.
 
Agree with High 1-A + but again but can you explain why it isn't tier 0 in detail ?
Based on my observation, basically a character went within the White Nothingness and changed it not being pure white, with him being shown there. But I honestly think that is just for the sake of the narrative, that way you can discern who/what is in there. Keep in mind, this doesn't 100% disprove it of being Tier 0, its just a possible point.

Inb4, I'm absolutely incorrect.
What Apotheosis said. However, if anyone is willing to provide more context then 0 isn't totally out of the picture.
 
Okay. Are you certain that no further explanations are necessary? 🙏
 
Okay. Are you certain that no further explanations are necessary? 🙏
It's the same tiers based on the same reasoning. The only difference is these tiers are based on our current tiering system, but there's no change otherwise that differentiates it from what we knew of the verse previously.

I mean we can add more by including the canon stuff from Fables and other stories but that's really an entirely different thing.
 
Yes, scaling The Leviathan from Kevin Thorn, and Kevin Thorn from The Presence, seems like a very bad case of incompatible cosmologies, so I would prefer if we simply consider The Unwritten and DC Comics cosmologies to contain characters who are similar to many of those within Fables. 🙏
 
Yes, scaling The Leviathan from Kevin Thorn, and Kevin Thorn from The Presence, seems like a very bad case of incompatible cosmologies, so I would prefer if we simply consider The Unwritten and DC Comics cosmologies to contain characters who are similar to many of those within Fables. 🙏
Then should we conclude this thread?
 
Well, I am just uncertain if you need to explain the reasoning for the tiering based on our current updated system. 🙏
 
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