Thor VS Yhwach

[Muteki616]

Thor resists or is outright immune to most of Yhwach's hax some on a 1-A level and can one shot Yhwach with qual superior passives.

 

[Tomfer]

It has been requested to close this thread for being a stomp. Not being able to personally assess the situation, is there a consensus on the matter?

Consensus? Nothing yet. The entire 4 pages is:

"Yhwach can do this."
"Thor resists this on a 1-A level."

Over and over again.

 

[Muteki616]

If the layered invisibility is real, yes. Marvel has no hax layers besides levels of magic mastery.

i don’t understand how
Thor wouldn’t be able to see him..
Thor can see astral forms which are… again… 1-A in nature…

he’s perceiving something with Qual Superiority over all of Yhwach’s layers

it’s like an argument of repetition but it’s a fact
Thor’s smurfs and passives are in a higher punching class than all of bleach.

 

[Muteki616]

Consensus? Nothing yet.

Common consensus is that this should be closed for stomp.

 

[helello100]

Common consensus is that this should be closed for stomp.

Yeah this is giga stomp since all of the arguments for yhwach is gone now

 

[Muteki616]

yhwach is gone now

excelsior

 

[Shar122]

Thor slams, how is this even a debate?

 

[Ebihara]

Every bleach matchup is a slam and way or the other and this doesn't feel like much hyperbole.

 

[TauanVictor]

? Yhwach wouldn't be able to mind hax Thor if this is what you're implying.
why?

FateHax.

TA won't be able to alter 1-A hax nor would it prevent thor from using it.

It won't change the hax, it will change Thor's fate not to use it.

iirc not how TA works.
he can't force a character not to use something in their arsenal.

He can. He did it several times with Ichigo, and well, Yhwach using the TA would see a dark power and then his death. It would be PIS to assume that Yhwach wouldn't do anything about it.

Thor resists 90% of the Schrifts and idk if it's in character for Yhwach to even use these.

Not in Base form.

Marvel has it's own magic system with abilities and passives other magic users resist as seen on the page.

Has Magic ever made a Magic user resist non-Magic abilities?

 

[TauanVictor]

Also, the fundamental building blocks of magic as stated in the page have created realms of temporal unpredictability. (TA couldn't even see Thor in any possible timeline to begin with.)
and even tho, Acaus 4 doesn't automatically grant Thor resistance to fate manip. Thor still would operate on a separate level of causality. "Mystic Causality/time"

Make a CRT about it. This skill isn't listed in Thor's profile, so we can't take it into account.

 

[TauanVictor]

Consensus? Nothing yet. The entire 4 pages is:

"Yhwach can do this."
"Thor resists this on a 1-A level."

Over and over again.

I'm trying to argue that Thor can't resist Fate Hax, but it seems that it's easier to ignore everything I say in order to maintain the bias of it being a “stomp” purely because they're two haxed characters.

 

[TauanVictor]

and why Yhwach would use Sternritter's Schrifts? he dont use them in character iirc

PIS.

 

[Muteki616]

FateHax.

Ywhach's fatehax doesn't stop someone from using something.

It won't change the hax, it will change Thor's fate not to use it.

not how TA works unless you can prove him stopping a character from using something.

He can. He did it several times with Ichigo

show that.

Not in Base form.

yes in base
God Physiology and Basic magic resistances account for this.

Has Magic ever made a Magic user resist non-Magic abilities?

make a crt about it.
they're stated to resist everything they can do.

read the magic page.

 

[Muteki616]

Make a CRT about it. This skill isn't listed in Thor's profile, so we can't take it into account.

it's listed on the God Physiology page which applies to Thor and it applies to basic marvel magic which is also listed on the magic page

but it seems that it's easier to ignore everything I say in order to maintain the bias of it being a “stomp” purely because they're two haxed characters.

didn't know attacking what you say head on meant ignoring.

fatehax seems to be Yhwach's only crutch and even then it's an iffy wincon.
meanwhile base Thor can do whatever he pleases to Yhwach.
Magic fundamentally has ND type 2, NP 2 and All Aspects.
Things Yhwach can't even perceive or affect.

 

[Arkansalter2]

I'm not even sure why this match was added when Yhwach is 2-C compared to Thor's 1-A .

 

[Fadhili2011]

I think this is a stomp for thorough being 1A. Putting a 1A character against a 4d character is crazy

 

[Muteki616]

I'm not even sure why this match was added when Yhwach is 2-C compared to Thor's 1-A .

well..
the avatar of thor being used here is finite and Yhwach has the AP to harm this Thor just not the hax.

 

[TauanVictor]

Ywhach's fatehax doesn't stop someone from using something.

Yhwach alters the future of anything that affects him, which is the case with Magic.

not how TA works unless you can prove him stopping a character from using something.

He did it with Orihime's power and Ichibe's CM2.

show that.

Here.

yes in base
God Physiology and Basic magic resistances account for this.

God Physiology doesn't apply to his 3-D body.

 

[TauanVictor]

Btw, the discussion has derailed a lot, I'll start counting the votes.

 

[Muteki616]

Yhwach alters the future of anything that affects him, which is the case with Magic.

through precognition which is already stated on both the magic page and god physiology page to be ineffective.

He did it with Orihime's power and Ichibe's CM2.

yes he countered their abilities because in his own words he saw them in the future.
Yhwach isn't altering 1-A hax like this.

God Physiology doesn't apply to his 3-D body.

Almost every scan on the god physiology page is from a god's 3D body.
You lied for what?

 

[Muteki616]

the discussion has derailed a lot

not really,
whether or not Yhwach can even fight Thor is still being discussed.

 

[Entity]

So, Yhwach's abilities don't really work on Thor and has to fight him physically
How does Thor win if Yhwach can come back to life even when his soul is destroyed?

 

[Muteki616]

even when his soul is destroyed?

conceptual manip, Immortality type 8 negation with base magic, and Thor can incap Yhwach in a myriad of ways.

He doesn’t have to kill him.

 

[Theglassman12]

Why is this matchup still ongoing? This is beyond a stomp for Thor.