Tien Shinhan (DBS Anime) 2-C Upgrade

[BattleHawks0670]

1.0 Revised Scaling
Tien Shinhan in the Dragon Ball Super Anime should technically have a Low Multiverse level rating, with Neo Tri-Beam at the very least.
As during the Universal Survival Saga, he was able to greatly wound Harmira with a Neo-Tri Beam.

Previously in the episode Harmira actually cuts off one of Piccolo’s arms.

So with these scans I’d say we’d at least give him that rating, or at least much higher with Neo Tri-Beam. Alternatively, I’d actually argue Low Multiverse level with him just being able to restrain Harmira and force him out the T.O.P alongside himself.

I’ll have to find this final scan soon when i potentially edit this thread but there’s a scene of one of his Sniper Shots even slicing Base Vegeta’s cheek. (Found it)

Lemme know how yall feel.

Agree: @Mgebrat282 @Remus1998 @Anonymous_Learner @Infinite9Luck @Ultimuru @Shadow7001
@Kiryu-MG3 @Greatsage13th


Disagree:

Neutral: @DarkDragonMedeus

 

[Shadow7001]

It'd be 2-C but only with NTB.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

It'd be 2-C but only with NTB.

Yeah that’s why I put the much higher there in case anyone felt against him physically being Low-Multi. Goku did intentionally bring him along to train with Gohan and Piccolo.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

His clones who were physically weaker than himself have withstood direct hits from Neo Tri Beam though.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

His clones who were physically weaker than himself have withstood direct hits from Neo Tri Beam though.

Correcto on that mane I think they even came back after being blasted away by Harmira’s ki blasts to restrain him.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Maybe we should upgrade Harmira's rating first here?

After all, his attack is a concentrated Ki attack that can injure Piccolo, causing him to lose three of his arms and even scratch Base Vegeta's cheek.

Furthermore, this should also affect Tien because even though his power was split into four, the duplicates didn't take much damage after he used them as shields, they were still able to rise and lock onto Harmira's body to knock him out of the arena.

 

[Mgebrat282]

I agree, but it should be 2-c

 

[Remus1998]

DBS powercreeping everyone again

Agree

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

agree

 

[SwordLegendz01]

@BattleHawks0670 I think you should change the title to 2C, and perhaps modify the thread content a bit, as Harmira is currently accepted as "at least 4A," and his current rating is based on Tienshinhan, but this upgrade is based on Harmira.

Although we saw Tienshinhan being invited by Goku to fight Piccolo and Gohan in a 2v2, this thread is based on Harmira, so it should also affect Harmira being able to injure Piccolo and scratch Base Vegeta's face. Anyway, I agree.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

@SwordLegendz01 Yeah tien n that dude kinda just scaled off one another

I honestly ain’t even understand why homie who made the page thought Piccolo was heavily suppressed but it was probably to try and keep the whole fixed scaling of Tien being in the low tiers.

It’s kinda weird how sometimes u see actual feats and people just say: “OOO outliers” half of the time. Like a lot of characters pages I see go off them performing stuff they weren’t able to before but when someone argues a crazy feat to scale one dude in a specific page it’s all convo convo

 

[BattleHawks0670]

His clones who were physically weaker than himself have withstood direct hits from Neo Tri Beam though.

Hey just so I know, do you agree or disagree? Heard I need at least 2 staff agreements to get this revised

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Hey just so I know, do you agree or disagree? Heard I need at least 2 staff agreements to get this revised

I would have strongly disagreed a long time ago, for much of the same reasons as the Krillin upgrade (AKA Outlier/PIS concerns), but now more neutral but I do lean towards the notion that "If Krillin got upgraded, might as well upgrade all the Earthling characters who partook in the tournament of power."

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Agree

 

[Ultimuru]

Hello chainscaling my old friend

Neutral

 

[BattleHawks0670]

I would have strongly disagreed a long time ago, for much of the same reasons as the Krillin upgrade (AKA Outlier/PIS concerns), but not more neutral but I do lean towards the notion that "If Krillin got upgraded, might as well upgrade all the Earthling characters who partook in the tournament of power."

Yeah it’s kind of crazy Super basically buffed a lot of characters. But there is a consistent kind of scaling when it comes to at least Roshi where he can’t even take on Frost

He has to resort to trying to use the Mafuba in order to ring homie out

And he needed Tien’s help to ring out another dude, but a lot of the tournament was just about teamwork but Roshi was the main light weight of it all if I hadda say

 

[Ultimuru]

Yeah it’s kind of crazy Super basically buffed a lot of characters. But there is a consistent kind of scaling when it comes to at least Roshi where he can’t even take on Frost

He has to resort to trying to use the Mafuba in order to ring homie out

And he needed Tien’s help to ring out another dude, but a lot of the tournament was just about teamwork but Roshi was the main light weight of it all if I hadda say

No offense towards anyone or the series, but to me scaling chain in DBS is a complete absurd. Like...

Krillin is 2-C because he defeated Shosa. Shosa is 2-C because he matched Kettol. Kettol is 2-C because he traded blows with Caulifla. Caulifla is 2-C because she defeated Napapa. Napapa is 2-C because he traded blows with Basil. Basil is 2-C because he is comparable to Bergamo. Bergamo is 2-C because he fought Goku. Goku is 2-C because BoG feat.

Krillin is the policeman! I am the only one who think this is crazy?

 

[BattleHawks0670]

No offense towards anyone or the series, but to me scaling chain in DBS is a complete absurd. Like...

Krillin is 2-C because he defeated Shosa. Shosa is 2-C because he matched Kettol. Kettol is 2-C because he traded blows with Caulifla. Caulifla is 2-C because she defeated Napapa. Napapa is 2-C because he traded blows with Basil. Basil is 2-C because he is comparable to Bergamo. Bergamo is 2-C because he fought Goku. Goku is 2-C because BoG feat.

Krillin is the policeman! I am the only one who think this is crazy?

Yeah those were the stakes back then

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

No offense towards anyone or the series, but to me scaling chain in DBS is a complete absurd. Like...

Krillin is 2-C because he defeated Shosa. Shosa is 2-C because he matched Kettol. Kettol is 2-C because he traded blows with Caulifla. Caulifla is 2-C because she defeated Napapa. Napapa is 2-C because he traded blows with Basil. Basil is 2-C because he is comparable to Bergamo. Bergamo is 2-C because he fought Goku. Goku is 2-C because BoG feat.

Krillin is the policeman! I am the only one who think this is crazy?

I agree to an extent, but that's partially how Dragon Ball has always been. It has always been the literal Grandfather of verses that are built for power creeping. Not to mention, the underdogs surpassing how strong Goku used to be was a common trope even as early as Dragon Ball saga. For example, Krillin and Yamcha were still training for 3 years between 21st and 22nd Budokai; and both were respectively people Goku and Tien acknowledged as pretty strong despite them losing. And even Krillin was initially confident that he had a chance of victory before the fight, implying he would at least be as strong as Goku was in 21st Budokai. Then 23rd Budokai had all 4 humans/earthlings far surpass Roshi, and with the exception of Chiaotzu, all three of them still had recognition from Goku, Piccolo, and Kami respectively; which was also during an period where King Piccolo would be considered weak by Goku's view at that point. Then of course, the trend continued in Saiyan saga, when all 6 of the fighters including Chiaotzu far surpassed Kami and were stronger than Goku or Piccolo were when they fought Raditz. Though Chiaotzu's case was still short end of the stick where he was the only one arguable weaker than a Saibaman physically. This trope didn't really officially end till Android saga or so with the existence of Super Saiyan forms and what not; where even when Piccolo has warned everyone "Don't bother even showing up if you do not find yourself stronger than Frieza's final form.

But then Super brought back the trope almost full force but mainly kept certain characters in for fan service purposes. To which, it was mainly to do a reverse to what the common complaints were for what both Buu saga and better yet Dragon Ball GT. The former "ruined" characters like Piccolo and Gohan and the latter basically just became a "Goku Time" though out. But it ended up with basically the opposite issues of even weaker characters suddenly making super massive jumps in such a short amount of time; starting with how much Frieza grew in under 4 months than how much Goku and Vegeta did in basically 16 years worth of experience; (This counts RoSaT as a full year's worth)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No offense towards anyone or the series, but to me scaling chain in DBS is a complete absurd. Like...

Krillin is 2-C because he defeated Shosa. Shosa is 2-C because he matched Kettol. Kettol is 2-C because he traded blows with Caulifla. Caulifla is 2-C because she defeated Napapa. Napapa is 2-C because he traded blows with Basil. Basil is 2-C because he is comparable to Bergamo. Bergamo is 2-C because he fought Goku. Goku is 2-C because BoG feat.

Krillin is the policeman! I am the only one who think this is crazy?

Cell Max is shown feeling pain after Kuririn throws the Kienzan and manages to make Cell Max kind of move away with Kienzan. I really agree with Kuririn's 2-C.



Tenshinhan and Master Kame should be 2-C, Master Kame made Goku's hands shake in his base form and was able to hold off base Goku to a certain extent.

 

[Ultimuru]

Cell Max is shown feeling pain after Kuririn throws the Kienzan and manages to make Cell Max kind of move away with Kienzan. I really agree with Kuririn's 2-C.

Isn't Kienzan's entire thing about ignoring durability tho? Krillin was also able to cut Frieza's tail in Namek saga, but I don't see people saying Krillin was Frieza level back then.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Isn't Kienzan's entire thing about ignoring durability tho? Krillin was also able to cut Frieza's tail in Namek saga, but I don't see people saying Krillin was Frieza level back then.

It hasn't been accepted as such at the moment, just a "far higher" rating with Kienzan. I'd like to finish as soon as possible, but I'm currently collecting the same feats on other character profiles on the wiki for comparison. But forget that for now and focus on the current thread; the scaling chain in ToP is more than enough, I think.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Isn't Kienzan's entire thing about ignoring durability tho? Krillin was also able to cut Frieza's tail in Namek saga, but I don't see people saying Krillin was Frieza level back then.

Cell Max is shown feeling pain after Kuririn throws the Kienzan and manages to make Cell Max kind of move away with Kienzan. I really agree with Kuririn's 2-C.



Tenshinhan and Master Kame should be 2-C, Master Kame made Goku's hands shake in his base form and was able to hold off base Goku to a certain extent.

I think it’s more the fact that Krillin had a decent performance in T.O.P

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Cell Max is shown feeling pain after Kuririn throws the Kienzan and manages to make Cell Max kind of move away with Kienzan. I really agree with Kuririn's 2-C.



Tenshinhan and Master Kame should be 2-C, Master Kame made Goku's hands shake in his base form and was able to hold off base Goku to a certain extent.

Yeah but I think it’s Krillin’s chainscaling with Kettol and Shosa fighting Caulifla that rly get him to 2-C there

Isn't Kienzan's entire thing about ignoring durability tho? Krillin was also able to cut Frieza's tail in Namek saga, but I don't see people saying Krillin was Frieza level back then.

It feels weird honestly tho mane like we see the earthlings getting worked by Tagoma and now they suddenly get invited to a tournament full of people that can fight Base Goku? Though most of the tournament wasn’t all about power and had alot of strategy in it

But ngl, how’s Goku just so sure Krillin and Tien would be of any help then boom they hang with people around his tier

 

[Ultimuru]

Yeah but I think it’s Krillin’s chainscaling with Kettol and Shosa fighting Caulifla that rly get him to 2-C there

It feels weird honestly tho mane like we see the earthlings getting worked by Tagoma and now they suddenly get invited to a tournament full of people that can fight Base Goku? Though most of the tournament wasn’t all about power and had alot of strategy in it

But ngl, how’s Goku just so sure Krillin and Tien would be of any help then boom they hang with people around his tier

Let's not forget #17 achieving blue level by babysitting Cell Jrs for few years (or was it only in the manga?)

Anyway, coming back to Tien. I am not really a fan of chainscaling and putting him in tier 2 simply for wounding someone who can wound Piccolo. Especially considering that Tri-Beam always was a special kind of technique which worked on way stronger opponents. I am fine with "much higher with Neo Tri-Beam". So I guess you can change my vote from neutral to agree.

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Let's not forget #17 achieving blue level by babysitting Cell Jrs for few years (or was it only in the manga?)

Anyway, coming back to Tien. I am not really a fan of chainscaling and putting him in tier 2 simply for wounding someone who can wound Piccolo. Especially considering that Tri-Beam always was a special kind of technique which worked on way stronger opponents. I am fine with "much higher with Neo Tri-Beam". So I guess you can change my vote from neutral to agree.

Yeah but I did alternatively say he could restrain said dude with his weaker clones and his clones did tank his blasts, returning to drag him off the arena

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Isn’t TOP Krillin chain scaling to Base Goku?

 

[BattleHawks0670]

Isn’t TOP Krillin chain scaling to Base Goku?

Yeah and Caulifla cuz he fought some dudes that fought her, and yk she fought Goku so yeah

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yes, Tien needs his moment to shine, especially in the manga.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'd agree with the Tien 2-C upgrade

 

[StarShooter80]

I agree with Tien's new tier

Krillin is the policeman! I am the only one who think this is crazy?

I do agree with power creep being an issue (Super especially) but Krillin is not a regular policeman. Krillin has always been a strong character by DB standards, rivalling Goku during the 21st Budokai arc, who ever since the first arc has been presented as being supernatural in strength, surpassing Roshi entirely who blew up the moon, put up a decent fight against a weighted Piccolo Jr., surpassed Raditz in the Saiyan Saga who is essentially the baseline for Z scaling, etc etc. He's not like other fighters like Hercule, who is actually a regular human. It's like saying "how can Goku be strong, he's a farmer" or of the like

 

[BattleHawks0670]

first time my upgrades on here actually get put in