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So the ToAru (physical) Low-Tiers are currently ranked 8-B. This comes from a feat, which had already been decided to be removed in a past thread. Hence we have a lot of characters which need new physical stats. Furthermore, many revisions were apparently applied without properly updating the people that scale. I will fix that, too.
Before we get to that, though, I will need to go through a number of back up calcs that exist and explain why I will not fall back on those.
We don't see how she survives it or how heavily injured she is afterwards. It's the classical trope where everyone thinks the character died, but it happened off-screen so they somehow survived without any explanation.
However, these bombs were made by Frenda, an incredibly skilled expert in explosives and an experienced hitman. You can be plenty sure that her explosives are designed to be absolutely lethal to a regular human... in fact, Frenda regularly fights people with superpowers, so they probably are designed to be way more powerful than that. Yumiya is not known to have any ability that would make her super durable, although one can argue that her feats prove otherwise. (In fact, as you will see later on, she will get superhuman stats in this revision anyway)
However, Frenda and Yumiya can physically fight each other just fine, meaning they scale. And I think it's hard to argue that Frenda would make bombs weak enough to not kill someone as strong as herself, when she herself is not counted amongst the people with powers that actually make them exceptionally durable. Heck, as you can see in their fight, Frenda can't even tank guns and her explosives are definitely stronger than that.
If you now wish to invoke "guns are just overhyped in fiction" and that Frenda not designing bombs that wouldn't kill herself is speculation... well, there is also evidence that they should kill people on her level. Even just the explosive tape she uses to ignite her bombs is enough to blow her own lower body away. And, honestly, Frenda seemed relatively confident she won that fight.
If that isn't enough let's also talk about her reappearance. Here, we see her again and are told more details about her survival.
Notice how her lower jaw and big parts of her face were blown off by the explosives. I will go ahead and say that it doesn't make much sense that those would be blown off, but her brain would be fine. Like, if she had the durability for an explosion in her mouth to not destroy her brain, then it also shouldn't destroy her jaw. Unless she has a weird partial durability that applies to one part of her head, but not the other.
Then Academy City medicine is mentioned. That's actually notable to keep in mind. Academy City can even replace lost parts of a brain via medicine (see this or this). Basically, even when blown to bits, the right doctors could have fixed her, meaning that we have almost no real limit on how badly she was injured, making durability scaling questionable.
Most importantly, though, it's noted that she would have died if Yobou hadn't slipped in and saved her. Yobou has telekinetic powers and it's not hard to imagine that he could potentially use them to suppress an explosion or maybe to rip the explosives out of her mouth in the last second, or anything like that. We don't know how she survived, as it happened off-screen, so especially with Yobou involved I see a very real possibility that it wasn't just due to her durability.
Hence I'm, in total, not comfortable with basing dozens of characters' durability ratings on this feat alone.
This is the only major feat that would prevent any downgrades at all, but let's get to some of the other feats I'm not going to be using as well.
As limited as my understanding of engineering is, I'm quite certain it uses yield strength wrong. By the method the calc uses the thickness of the steel does not factor into the result of the calc. It predicts that a 5mm thick steel plate is equally hard to bend as a 1m thick steel plate. That just can't be right. I'm fairly sure there must be some reference thickness to that.
Additionally, the scaling of the depth doesn't seem correct. The perspective is playing a trick, there, I believe. The calc assumes that hole is 90cm deep, with Seiki buried inside. However, later shots make it seem a lot less deep.
Characters who scale directly above this would be Komaba, as he's using Hard Taping. That's a strength amplification technology that Arei herself uses to get stronger than the state in which she did her feat.
Arei's own superhuman strength probably comes from being a trained ninja, although she isn't part of a ninja clan currently. I would hence assume that a properly trained ninja such as Oumi should scale to her. Same then goes for Hattori and Kuruwa. Tsurigane would scale as well, even if she doesn't have full training and IMO did worse against Kuroko than Arei. Kihara Enshuu would get it for scaling above Oumi. Kumokawa and Kihara Kagun would then get it in turn. Sugitani for being a ninja, too.
And that brings us to Kuroko already and with her the pathway to scaling to main characters.
Kuroko fought Arei and could tank blows from her even if she had a hard time. Arei even used some muscle enhancement equipment there, but on the other hand she was already injured from a prior fight that she lost.
Hence Kuroko downscales from Arei's feat. Enough to be still 9-B? I'm not 100% sure.
Personally, I would recommend "9-C+, likely 9-B" for Kuroko and those who get their stats by scaling through her. Edit: Given more supportive evidence that was given, I have personally agreed to just leave it at a flat 9-B. The calc is decently above baseline anyway.
Now, Kuroko and Misaka frequently have their comedic struggles, so they should be comparable, so she physically gets there.
Touma's stronger than Misaka so he gets it.
Accelerator can tank some punches from Touma, so he gets it in durability. However, I see little reason it would apply to his (unboosted) Striking Strength, so that might go down to Human level.
Hamazura took punches from Touma and harmed him, so he gets it.
So with that, we have all the main characters physically at that level and, needless to say, that scales around.
If I don't give evidence for why the following characters scale, I use the scaling chain already on the profile.
However, while it's only magic for her, people scale to her in ways that it becomes more. (Again, I will use the scaling chains already on profiles without further explanation)
This then also applies to Acid and Ryouu who matched her.
Vento needs to be downgraded, but her old version had stats based on her own feats which are higher than what she would get otherwise. Based on this (or this calc if the revision is accepted) she would get 9-A durability.
I'm a little uncertain what to do with her AP, though. Wall level would probably be the minimum.
Amakusa members. I'm not sure what I should do about their keys as individuals. I would put the idea of converting this into a team profile out there, if we can't get any proper stats for them individually.
Angelene. I have no idea why she has Street Level Striking Strength of all things. Downgrade this to regular human.
Kakine. If we assume him tanking Accels attacks is due to Dark Matter, I have no idea which feats he would have when not using Dark Matter. So if nobody else has an idea, I guess he just gets human stats.
Mitori. I probably forgot to remove the 8-A stats... yeah, she should just be 8-B.
Kinuhata. She could protect against Mitori's stuff including her dolls. So durability wise she gets 8-B. What I'm uncertain about is what to do for her AP, as I don't think her Offense Armor is offensively and defensively equal. I guess at least Wall level for this given this.
Before we get to that, though, I will need to go through a number of back up calcs that exist and explain why I will not fall back on those.
Stuff I Wouldn't Use
Miracle Survival
We have this calc of Yumiya surviving an 8-B explosion, with explosives stuffed into her mouth. She survives that, which should give her 8-B durability, right? Ehhhh.... I'm sceptical on that.We don't see how she survives it or how heavily injured she is afterwards. It's the classical trope where everyone thinks the character died, but it happened off-screen so they somehow survived without any explanation.
However, these bombs were made by Frenda, an incredibly skilled expert in explosives and an experienced hitman. You can be plenty sure that her explosives are designed to be absolutely lethal to a regular human... in fact, Frenda regularly fights people with superpowers, so they probably are designed to be way more powerful than that. Yumiya is not known to have any ability that would make her super durable, although one can argue that her feats prove otherwise. (In fact, as you will see later on, she will get superhuman stats in this revision anyway)
However, Frenda and Yumiya can physically fight each other just fine, meaning they scale. And I think it's hard to argue that Frenda would make bombs weak enough to not kill someone as strong as herself, when she herself is not counted amongst the people with powers that actually make them exceptionally durable. Heck, as you can see in their fight, Frenda can't even tank guns and her explosives are definitely stronger than that.
If you now wish to invoke "guns are just overhyped in fiction" and that Frenda not designing bombs that wouldn't kill herself is speculation... well, there is also evidence that they should kill people on her level. Even just the explosive tape she uses to ignite her bombs is enough to blow her own lower body away. And, honestly, Frenda seemed relatively confident she won that fight.
If that isn't enough let's also talk about her reappearance. Here, we see her again and are told more details about her survival.
Notice how her lower jaw and big parts of her face were blown off by the explosives. I will go ahead and say that it doesn't make much sense that those would be blown off, but her brain would be fine. Like, if she had the durability for an explosion in her mouth to not destroy her brain, then it also shouldn't destroy her jaw. Unless she has a weird partial durability that applies to one part of her head, but not the other.
Then Academy City medicine is mentioned. That's actually notable to keep in mind. Academy City can even replace lost parts of a brain via medicine (see this or this). Basically, even when blown to bits, the right doctors could have fixed her, meaning that we have almost no real limit on how badly she was injured, making durability scaling questionable.
Most importantly, though, it's noted that she would have died if Yobou hadn't slipped in and saved her. Yobou has telekinetic powers and it's not hard to imagine that he could potentially use them to suppress an explosion or maybe to rip the explosives out of her mouth in the last second, or anything like that. We don't know how she survived, as it happened off-screen, so especially with Yobou involved I see a very real possibility that it wasn't just due to her durability.
Hence I'm, in total, not comfortable with basing dozens of characters' durability ratings on this feat alone.
This is the only major feat that would prevent any downgrades at all, but let's get to some of the other feats I'm not going to be using as well.
Crater in Questionable Floor
There is this 9-B+ feat, which would theoretically scale to a lot of people. The problem? The calc assumes the floor is made out of marble, but scales the crater size from the anime where the floor is made out of wood. I.e. it makes use of tertiary canon in a way that doesn't follow our rules on the matter.Steel Thickness Matters
Then there is a feat of a guy surviving getting slammed through some metal. That one is calced as 8-C, but... the calc just seems wrong.As limited as my understanding of engineering is, I'm quite certain it uses yield strength wrong. By the method the calc uses the thickness of the steel does not factor into the result of the calc. It predicts that a 5mm thick steel plate is equally hard to bend as a 1m thick steel plate. That just can't be right. I'm fairly sure there must be some reference thickness to that.
Additionally, the scaling of the depth doesn't seem correct. The perspective is playing a trick, there, I believe. The calc assumes that hole is 90cm deep, with Seiki buried inside. However, later shots make it seem a lot less deep.
New Stats
With this we get to feats that we can use and who it scales to.Tree Breaking
I redid the calc for Arei's tree braking and got a solid wall level. I think that will be the feat that would scale to many characters in some capacity and should be a solid basis for their rating. First, let's discuss the scaling, as that will alter the stat a bit.Characters who scale directly above this would be Komaba, as he's using Hard Taping. That's a strength amplification technology that Arei herself uses to get stronger than the state in which she did her feat.
Arei's own superhuman strength probably comes from being a trained ninja, although she isn't part of a ninja clan currently. I would hence assume that a properly trained ninja such as Oumi should scale to her. Same then goes for Hattori and Kuruwa. Tsurigane would scale as well, even if she doesn't have full training and IMO did worse against Kuroko than Arei. Kihara Enshuu would get it for scaling above Oumi. Kumokawa and Kihara Kagun would then get it in turn. Sugitani for being a ninja, too.
And that brings us to Kuroko already and with her the pathway to scaling to main characters.
Kuroko fought Arei and could tank blows from her even if she had a hard time. Arei even used some muscle enhancement equipment there, but on the other hand she was already injured from a prior fight that she lost.
Hence Kuroko downscales from Arei's feat. Enough to be still 9-B? I'm not 100% sure.
Personally, I would recommend "9-C+, likely 9-B" for Kuroko and those who get their stats by scaling through her. Edit: Given more supportive evidence that was given, I have personally agreed to just leave it at a flat 9-B. The calc is decently above baseline anyway.
Now, Kuroko and Misaka frequently have their comedic struggles, so they should be comparable, so she physically gets there.
Touma's stronger than Misaka so he gets it.
Accelerator can tank some punches from Touma, so he gets it in durability. However, I see little reason it would apply to his (unboosted) Striking Strength, so that might go down to Human level.
Hamazura took punches from Touma and harmed him, so he gets it.
So with that, we have all the main characters physically at that level and, needless to say, that scales around.
If I don't give evidence for why the following characters scale, I use the scaling chain already on the profile.
- Agnese in AP and Durability scaling from Touma. I don't think her Striking Strength would scale, as she only hit Touma with her magic IIRC.
- AIM Burst in Striking Strength and Durability. Physically stronger than Misaka.
- Etzali for matching Touma.
- Frenda for being superior to Misaka.
- Kamisato for being Touma's mirror image.
- Kihara Amata for being above Touma.
- Kihara Yuuitsu from fighting Kuroko. (See ToAru Kagaku no Mental Out Chapter 19)
- Patricia due to Sample Soggoth scaling.
- Leivinia due to scaling to Patricia.
- Misaka Worst due to literally being a Misaka clone.
- Mugino due to scaling to Hamazura.
- Tsuchimikado via being superior to Touma.
- Teshio via being superior to Tsuchimikado.
- Awaki via being comparable to Teshio and Kuroko.
- Mitori via being comparable to Kuroko.
- Oriana due to being comparable to Touma and Tsuchimikado (Note: Magic becomes separated from physicals, as it's now different tiers... we get to that)
- Rensa due to being above Touma.
- Opendays due to being above Touma.
- Salome due to being stronger than Misaka.
- Saronia can fight Touma, but not well. I would hence put her likely street level, possibly wall level.
- Sisters are Misaka clones.
- St. Germain due to being Touma. (Other key gets downgraded)
- Stephanie for being stronger than Touma and Hamazura. (Probably... gonna leave her scaling justification alone for now)
- Thor for being comparable to Touma.
- Yomikawa for being superior to Touma.
- Yumiya for being comparable to Frenda.
Who Thought This Woman Was That Important?
Our second big cluster originates from Oriana Thomson. She currently has a City Block level calc linked, but a recalc from Fanta increased that to 7-C. However, that is only for her magic, physically she would belong to the prior section due to Tsuchimikado scaling.However, while it's only magic for her, people scale to her in ways that it becomes more. (Again, I will use the scaling chains already on profiles without further explanation)
- Stiyl is said to be comparable to her in terms of magic.
- Tatemiya scales to Stiyl's magic both magically and in durability & SS (with magic), which is how we get to physical stats.
- Itsuwa then scales from him and becomes the major scaling source.
- Bayloupe is above Itsuwa.
- Cynthia is above Itsuwa as well.
- Emilie is above Itsuwa.
- Fenrir in AP for matching Oriana.
- Strikers is above Itsuwa.
- Jörmund in AP for being comparable to Stiyl
- Lessar for being superiar to Bayloupe.
- Mark Space for being comparable to Stiyl and Oriana, as well as some cross scaling with Wyss.
- Wyss due to being comparable to Mark.
- The Pope categorically, I guess.
- Shutaura in durability due to Stiyl.
- Terra scaling to Itsuwa.
- Electra in AP for overpowering Stiyl.
- Vase in AP for defeating Tatemiya.
- Vasilia via Oriana scaling.
Only My Railgun
Misaka's railgun was upgraded to" 8-A+, likely 7-C" recently. However, that hasn't been applied to everyone that scales yet. Who is missing?- Anna Sprengel's durability as she tanked all Misaka had.
- Five Over in AP and Dura
- Umidori by scaling to the 5 Over.
- Salome for destroying one of Misaka's railgun shots.
- Therestina for matching it.
- Mio in durability for tanking it. AP wise she would get scaling to Misaka's iron sand stuff.
Junko Scaling
Junko can be downgraded to 8-C via this calc, instead of what the other characters land at.This then also applies to Acid and Ryouu who matched her.
Others
A number of characters need special treatment.Vento needs to be downgraded, but her old version had stats based on her own feats which are higher than what she would get otherwise. Based on this (or this calc if the revision is accepted) she would get 9-A durability.
I'm a little uncertain what to do with her AP, though. Wall level would probably be the minimum.
Amakusa members. I'm not sure what I should do about their keys as individuals. I would put the idea of converting this into a team profile out there, if we can't get any proper stats for them individually.
Angelene. I have no idea why she has Street Level Striking Strength of all things. Downgrade this to regular human.
Kakine. If we assume him tanking Accels attacks is due to Dark Matter, I have no idea which feats he would have when not using Dark Matter. So if nobody else has an idea, I guess he just gets human stats.
Mitori. I probably forgot to remove the 8-A stats... yeah, she should just be 8-B.
Kinuhata. She could protect against Mitori's stuff including her dolls. So durability wise she gets 8-B. What I'm uncertain about is what to do for her AP, as I don't think her Offense Armor is offensively and defensively equal. I guess at least Wall level for this given this.
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