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Currently, the justification for Unicron, Primus and Vector Prime's strongest avatar being 2-A is that the True Star Saber is able to destroy an entire universe stream, which is composed of an infinite amount of realities. The justification states:
Unicron: Stronger avatars are much stronger than versions of The Fallen who scale to a version of Prima with the Star Saber, which could destroy one multiverse
Vector Prime: Should be somewhat comparable to Prima, who with the Star Saber could erase an infinite multiverse
This is untrue however, as the statement that supposedly backs it up here.
Not just to one universe, but the entire multiversal stack would collapse in on itself. Existence would simply cease to exist.
This statement seems to imply that True Star Saber could very much destroy the entirety of the multiverse, and as we know, the Transformers multiverse is comprised of an uncountable amount of infinite realities and universal streams, which themselves are composed of infinite universes. Thus, this should make the True Star Saber Low 1-C
Conclusions:
Unicron's new justification: Varies from Planet level (Consistently shown to be as big, if not bigger, than planets like Earth) to Low Complex Multiverse level (Some of his strongest avatars have devoured their Multiverse/Cluster, which are consistently shown to have infinite universes. Stronger avatars are much stronger than his strongest heralds, such as Ramjet or versions of The Fallen. The thirteen have never truly succeeded in defeating him, and Unicron should be superior to the power of the True Star Saber which could destroy the entire multiverse, which is composed of an uncountable amount of realities and universal streams, which themselves are composed of infinite universes) | At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Should be vastly superior to his strongest avatars. Has been stated to be capable of devouring the multiverse numerous times, and has even done it in the past)
True Star Saber's new Justification: Low Complex Multiverse level (Was stated to be able to destroy the entire Transformers Multiverse, which is composed of an uncountable amount of realities and universal streams, which themselves are composed of infinite universes. When combined with the Terminus Blade, it was able to strengthen the barriers between universes, rendering interdimensional travel nigh-impossible, and nullifying multiversal singularities)
For the Vector Prime however, I'm unsure whether the thirteen truly scale to the True Star Saber, as The Fallen wanting to steal it for himself and the fact the thirteen had to split it apart because they saw it as too strong implies the True Star Saber to be stronger than the Thirteen. Even Nexus Prime, who is considered on of the most powerful members of the Thirteen, considers it too be unbelievably powerful. However, considering Vector Prime has to fight Unicron on a daily basis (As that's his job), his strongest avatars should probably also be Low 1-C
Vector Prime's new justification: Varies. From Planet level for his weakest avatars (Although significantly lesser in power, the Thirteen were tasked with holding back weaker versions of Unicron, who are usually planetary in size and power) to Low Complex Multiverse level (Despite being much weaker, he should be able to fight against Unicron's strongest avatars, and are able to handle threats such as the Hytherion, and fight against many constant threats that threaten the multiverse) | At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Inhabits a similar level of existence to the likes of True Unicron. Should be superior to any avatar. Although far inferior, the Thirteen were originally designed by Primus to aid him in battle against Unicron, who can consume all of the uncountably infinite multiverse)
The One should be At least Low 1-C via upscaling from Unicron and Primus, of course
Agree: Amelia_Lonelyheart, Crabwhale, LordTracer, Starbrand_Fan, Shadyboi0
Neutral: Antvasima
Against: Primestar3
Unicron: Stronger avatars are much stronger than versions of The Fallen who scale to a version of Prima with the Star Saber, which could destroy one multiverse
Vector Prime: Should be somewhat comparable to Prima, who with the Star Saber could erase an infinite multiverse
This is untrue however, as the statement that supposedly backs it up here.
Not just to one universe, but the entire multiversal stack would collapse in on itself. Existence would simply cease to exist.
This statement seems to imply that True Star Saber could very much destroy the entirety of the multiverse, and as we know, the Transformers multiverse is comprised of an uncountable amount of infinite realities and universal streams, which themselves are composed of infinite universes. Thus, this should make the True Star Saber Low 1-C
Conclusions:
Unicron's new justification: Varies from Planet level (Consistently shown to be as big, if not bigger, than planets like Earth) to Low Complex Multiverse level (Some of his strongest avatars have devoured their Multiverse/Cluster, which are consistently shown to have infinite universes. Stronger avatars are much stronger than his strongest heralds, such as Ramjet or versions of The Fallen. The thirteen have never truly succeeded in defeating him, and Unicron should be superior to the power of the True Star Saber which could destroy the entire multiverse, which is composed of an uncountable amount of realities and universal streams, which themselves are composed of infinite universes) | At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Should be vastly superior to his strongest avatars. Has been stated to be capable of devouring the multiverse numerous times, and has even done it in the past)
True Star Saber's new Justification: Low Complex Multiverse level (Was stated to be able to destroy the entire Transformers Multiverse, which is composed of an uncountable amount of realities and universal streams, which themselves are composed of infinite universes. When combined with the Terminus Blade, it was able to strengthen the barriers between universes, rendering interdimensional travel nigh-impossible, and nullifying multiversal singularities)
For the Vector Prime however, I'm unsure whether the thirteen truly scale to the True Star Saber, as The Fallen wanting to steal it for himself and the fact the thirteen had to split it apart because they saw it as too strong implies the True Star Saber to be stronger than the Thirteen. Even Nexus Prime, who is considered on of the most powerful members of the Thirteen, considers it too be unbelievably powerful. However, considering Vector Prime has to fight Unicron on a daily basis (As that's his job), his strongest avatars should probably also be Low 1-C
Vector Prime's new justification: Varies. From Planet level for his weakest avatars (Although significantly lesser in power, the Thirteen were tasked with holding back weaker versions of Unicron, who are usually planetary in size and power) to Low Complex Multiverse level (Despite being much weaker, he should be able to fight against Unicron's strongest avatars, and are able to handle threats such as the Hytherion, and fight against many constant threats that threaten the multiverse) | At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Inhabits a similar level of existence to the likes of True Unicron. Should be superior to any avatar. Although far inferior, the Thirteen were originally designed by Primus to aid him in battle against Unicron, who can consume all of the uncountably infinite multiverse)
The One should be At least Low 1-C via upscaling from Unicron and Primus, of course
Agree: Amelia_Lonelyheart, Crabwhale, LordTracer, Starbrand_Fan, Shadyboi0
Neutral: Antvasima
Against: Primestar3
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