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Turbo Hero Time!(Ben 10{Omniverse} vs Max Steel{Reboot})

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Ben Tennyson(Omniverse)
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Max Steel(Fusion-Tek)

Distance:100 meters
Speed Equal
Anything above 5-B is restricted
Ben's has access to Skurd
Max has access to his Turbo Cycle, Turbo Sword, and Turbo Blaster
SBA for the rest
 
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I don't know if I need to say more, but I think Clockwork will do.
1)This has never been a common pick for Ben.
2)Every single one of his offensive abilities(except Time Slow) is done via his time rays which Max is more than capable of dodging(since he's experienced in evading energy blasts) and/or intercepting using his own energy blasts.
With all that said, while this is a possible wincon for Ben it isn't a guaranteed one.
 
1)This has never been a common pick for Ben.
2)Every single one of his offensive abilities(except Time Slow) is done via his time rays which Max is more than capable of dodging(since he's experienced in evading energy blasts) and/or intercepting using his own energy blasts.
With all that said, while this is a possible wincon for Ben it isn't a guaranteed one.
If there is a real win here, he chooses Clockwork and his range is considered multiverse+ and he sends the beam a certain distance and can you prove to me how he will stop the beam against max's time manipulation and also Clockwork will slow down time and take him back in time to a time when he didn't exist at all and he will know about max's attacks well in advance.
 
If there is a real win here, he chooses Clockwork and his range is considered multiverse+ and he sends the beam a certain distance and can you prove to me how he will stop the beam against max's time manipulation and also Clockwork will slow down time and take him back in time to a time when he didn't exist at all and he will know about max's attacks well in advance.
You also have to take in-character decisions into account you know. Throughout the series run the one's he has consistently picked first are: Diamondhead, Heatblast, Fourarms, Humunguosaur, Rath, Shocksquatch, Swampfire, Feedback, and Gravattack, while his secondary picks are usually Cannonbolt, XLR8, Wildmutt, Big Chill, Spidermonkey, and Ball Weevil. With that being said, if ever he will pick Clockwork it will be most likely be after he picks at least 3-6 of these.
The only abilities Clockwork that don't make use of his time rays are his Time Slow and retrocognition, the rest of them all make use of his time rays. Also unlike Maltruant he has literally never made use of his time travel ability, so I'm pretty sure it would be out of character for him to use that here.
 
You also have to take in-character decisions into account you know. Throughout the series run the one's he has consistently picked first are: Diamondhead, Heatblast, Fourarms, Humunguosaur, Rath, Shocksquatch, Swampfire, Feedback, and Gravattack, while his secondary picks are usually Cannonbolt, XLR8, Wildmutt, Big Chill, Spidermonkey, and Ball Weevil. With that being said, if ever he will pick Clockwork it will be most likely be after he picks at least 3-6 of these.
The only abilities Clockwork that don't make use of his time rays are his Time Slow and retrocognition, the rest of them all make use of his time rays. Also unlike Maltruant he has literally never made use of his time travel ability, so I'm pretty sure it would be out of character for him to use that here.
you don't decide this and it is something that is in the character's profile and he didn't use it only because he didn't use it too much and it is a separate mistake to proceed according to your own perspective BEN 10K said that Clockwork can go back and forth in time and stop it and after slowing down time, Max can never reflect any attack back and there is no defense mechanism against it, he will slow down time and then go back in time so that Max will not exist in any way and Clockwork wins according to the SBA rules and I am also dealing with wincons for BEN TENNYSON
You can't present any arguments against me while I present wincon against you, this topic is quite absurd anyway
 
you don't decide this and it is something that is in the character's profile and he didn't use it only because he didn't use it too much and it is a separate mistake to proceed according to your own perspective BEN 10K said that Clockwork can go back and forth in time and stop it and after slowing down time, Max can never reflect any attack back and there is no defense mechanism against it, he will slow down time and then go back in time so that Max will not exist in any way and Clockwork wins according to the SBA rules and I am also dealing with wincons for BEN TENNYSON
You can't present any arguments against me while I present wincon against you, this topic is quite absurd anyway
What matters isn't what Clockwork can do it's what Ben would do, and Ben has never once used Clockwork for Time Travelling. In fact the one time he actually tried(which is in the "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad Ben World: Part 2" episode) he failed to do so even when he was boosted by Techno-Bubble. With that said, even if you say that Clockwork scales to Maltruant(which honestly he doesn't really have any reason to, since Maltruant is clearly a lot stronger than him.) this wouldn't change the fact that what you're claiming he would do is very unlikely in this scenario.
 
What matters isn't what Clockwork can do it's what Ben would do, and Ben has never once used Clockwork for Time Travelling. In fact the one time he actually tried(which is in the "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad Ben World: Part 2" episode) he failed to do so even when he was boosted by Techno-Bubble. With that said, even if you say that Clockwork scales to Maltruant(which honestly he doesn't really have any reason to, since Maltruant is clearly a lot stronger than him.) this wouldn't change the fact that what you're claiming he would do is very unlikely in this scenario.
I already said that the reason for this is that he used the clockwork very little and if you say that his profile is nonsense, instead of talking unnecessarily here, go open CRT and I will tell you what is happening and you are still talking about other things instead of giving me arguments and as I said, BENJI 10K said that he can rewind, fast forward and stop time for the clockwork, these are available in his profile, if you still continue to make up nonsense, I will not answer you, I cannot waste my time with you, I cannot waste my time with you, you cannot even present arguments against me.
 
I already said that the reason for this is that he used the clockwork very little and if you say that his profile is nonsense, instead of talking unnecessarily here, go open CRT and I will tell you what is happening and you are still talking about other things instead of giving me arguments and as I said, BENJI 10K said that he can rewind, fast forward and stop time for the clockwork, these are available in his profile, if you still continue to make up nonsense, I will not answer you, I cannot waste my time with you, I cannot waste my time with you, you cannot even present arguments against me.
Actually I don't need to make a CRT for anything since neither Ben nor Clockwork have any Standard Tactics section, and nothing in their Intelligence/Feats section says anything about them Time Travelling. So really you're the one who has to prove why Ben would think of doing this, cause like I said Ben picking Clockwork is already unlikely to happen.
 
Max is above 9,510 Yotattons

However Ben in Omniverse strongest no cosmic aliens is around Malware level which is 430 durability, literally almost 43.5443038 times stronger, even if Ben<<<Malware, still should be 20x time stronger than Max

Most of Max's hax is countered by Ben switching to other Alien, god help he doesn't get Feedback
 
Max is above 9,510 Yotattons

However Ben in Omniverse strongest no cosmic aliens is around Malware level which is 430 durability, literally almost 43.5443038 times stronger, even if Ben<<<Malware, still should be 20x time stronger than Max

Most of Max's hax is countered by Ben switching to other Alien, god help he doesn't get Feedback
Technically the same can be said for Ben as well.
Hmm, I didn't realize the stat difference was that big. I guess this matchup can't work then, which is unfortunate since these 2 have good parallels with each other . Oh well back to the drawing board then.
 
Actually I don't need to make a CRT for anything since neither Ben nor Clockwork have any Standard Tactics section, and nothing in their Intelligence/Feats section says anything about them Time Travelling. So really you're the one who has to prove why Ben would think of doing this, cause like I said Ben picking Clockwork is already unlikely to happen.
the Omnitrix is giving the alien what he needs we have already seen this in the omniverse and no you have to prove it you say that what is in the profile does not exist and you explain to me why you are explaining it to me you are not going to explain it to me you have to explain it to me on another CRT or I will have to complain.
 
the Omnitrix is giving the alien what he needs we have already seen this in the omniverse and no you have to prove it you say that what is in the profile does not exist and you explain to me why you are explaining it to me you are not going to explain it to me you have to explain it to me on another CRT or I will have to complain.
Omnitrix gives him the alien he needs to survive, not win instantly win, in the long run yes, but not instantly, Ben has been put on the limit in Omniverse several times, anyway if he transforms into Clockwork and Max touches him that would be more a disadvantage than an advantage (Cuz he mess tech with a touch/energy blast)
 
Omnitrix gives him the alien he needs to survive, not win instantly win, in the long run yes, but not instantly, Ben has been put on the limit in Omniverse several times, anyway if he transforms into Clockwork and Max touches him that would be more a disadvantage than an advantage (Cuz he mess tech with a touch/energy blast)
If you have a scene of how this situation of Max works, can you throw it?
 
Just a few of example, there is more


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As far as I can see, he has to physically touch it, but Clockwork will slow down time and then go back in time and Max will never have existed. I gave you a very simple wincon.
 
As far as I can see, he has to physically touch it, but Clockwork will slow down time and then go back in time and Max will never have existed. I gave you a very simple wincon.
Ben wouldn't kill someone via Time Travel since is out of Character as well he not need kill Max to win, he'd do something more incapacitating like freezing Max in time.
 
Bump. Due to the recent Ben !0 downgrade this matchup can now work.
 
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