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Ultra Insinct Goku vs Ultra Ego Vegeta (Rematch)

Kakarot actually stomps now. Read Chapter 85
How does the new chapter make Goku stomp? The new form that Goku received really doesn't seem like a game-changer to me. All it does is let him use his anger to fuel his power and not have to worry about keeping a clear head while fighting. There was no indication that it was any stronger than his regular completed Ultra Instinct or it grants him greater automatic responses.
 
How does the new chapter make Goku stomp? The new form that Goku received really doesn't seem like a game-changer to me. All it does is let him use his anger to fuel his power and not have to worry about keeping a clear head while fighting. There was no indication that it was any stronger than his regular completed Ultra Instinct or it grants him greater automatic responses.
Did you read the chapter? Goku's new anger fueled UI allows him to handily overpower Gas, who I should remind you, overpowered both UE Vegeta and UI Goku at the same time, as well as easily blocking Goku and Vegeta's attacks

With this new UI Goku has, Vegeta is going to be in a huge disadvantage, as if Goku was able to beat Gas into pulp, who did the same to UE Vegeta, then he'd deliver an even worse beating to Vegeta. And as even with UE boosting him he couldn't quite catch up to Gas, he wouldn't be overpowering Goku now, especially since he retains all the advantages he already had over him for before, since basically all the Vegeta votes are pretty much: "Vegeta can be stronger so he wins", but now he isn't
 
From the looks of it, it is MUI >>> UI Omen > Nerfed MUI = UE

Therefore, Goku having a completely calm mind while using MUI would neg-diff Vegeta here, although there's a chance Vegeta will improve his UE next chapter. Let's see.
 
From the looks of it, it is MUI >>> UI Omen > Nerfed MUI = UE

Therefore, Goku having a completely calm mind while using MUI would neg-diff Vegeta here, although there's a chance Vegeta will improve his UE next chapter. Let's see.
Yeah, Goku said that he would rather use UI Omen/Sign here since unlike PUI, Omen allows him to use his emotions to get stronger, while PUI's power is hindered if he doesn't have a calm heart, which he did not have while fighting Gas. And even with that PUI Goku was fighting equally with UE Vegeta, so yeah
 
From the looks of it, it is MUI >>> UI Omen > Nerfed MUI = UE

Therefore, Goku having a completely calm mind while using MUI would neg-diff Vegeta here, although there's a chance Vegeta will improve his UE next chapter. Let's see.
That also explains the extreme job that happened with granolah one shotting UI Goku like trash. Goku had his UI nerfed.
 
Did you read the chapter? Goku's new anger fueled UI allows him to handily overpower Gas, who I should remind you, overpowered both UE Vegeta and UI Goku at the same time, as well as easily blocking Goku and Vegeta's attacks
Goku didn't handily overpower Gas. He used some good combination of techniques like Instant Transmission and the Kamehameha, but he himself admitted that he was only just barely stronger than Gas, and he also had a much shorter time limit. I'd argue one of the biggest reason that Goku was able to do better was because he was actually using energy attacks against Gas, whereas Vegeta was only focused on hand-to-hand combat this chapter. Goku also had more opportunities to land attacks than Vegeta since Gas was distracted from holding his own steel ball in place.

It's not exactly fair to say that Goku did better than Vegeta against Gas in this chapter based on pure skill and power either. Gas was able to land so many hits because he learned how to apply the Instant Transmission technique against Vegeta, allowing Gas to teleport Vegeta and land multiple attacks. Gas couldn't replicate the same strategy against Goku because he also knows Instant Transmission, so he'd either predict where he'd be teleported or just use Instant Transmission himself.
 
Goku straight up said that he's stronger than Gas. And this Gas was more than twice as powerful as Vegeta before the UE boost
Goku didn't handily overpower Gas.
Just read the chapter. Gas had literally no answer to any of Goku's attacks and was beaten down the entire time. Hell, he barely managed to punch him twice, and Goku no-sold both of these and immediately retailated
He used some good combination of techniques like Instant Transmission and the Kamehameha, but he himself admitted that he was only just barely stronger than Gas, and he also had a much shorter time limit.
Time limit wouldn't matter much in this fight because Goku was already beating Gas into pulp long before his UI will ran out, as well as that he stayed in PUI for the entire time Vegeta fought Gas. Vegeta will get beaten down long before he could hope to stall out Goku
I'd argue one of the biggest reason that Goku was able to do better was because he was actually using energy attacks against Gas, whereas Vegeta was only focused on hand-to-hand combat this chapter. Goku also had more opportunities to land attacks than Vegeta since Gas was distracted from holding his own steel ball in place.
Goku only used the Kamehameha one time in this fight, with all the rest being regular attacks and kicks. Not really any different compared to Vegeta
 
Goku’s officially stronger than Gas. While vegetas ultra ego does amp his AP clearly the same does not go for his durability as he almost gets killed by gas even after clearly being the stronger fighter after the amp. On top of the fact Goku is faster and has better abilities used in character such as his telekinesis and air punches, he’s a much more versatile combatant and which would win him the fight

EDIT: we also know the damage he can take from ultra ego is not infinite and it’s not hard for Goku to end the fight quickly similar to how Gas and Granolah did
 
UI Goku destroys Vegeta as of now. UI Sign Goku was able to overpower Gas, who was stomping UE Vegeta before his amps, and even when Vegeta amped himself to match Gas, he then fainted from the damage

In Chapter 86, Goku was able to survive beatings from an amped Gas, and when Goku re-awakened Perfected UI for the spirit form, it completely immobilized Gas effortlessly before Goku threw him away for him to be finished off

Basically: Perfected UI Spirit Construct >> Amped Gas > UI Sign Goku > Pre-Amp Gas >= UE Vegeta. Given that the construct comes from Perfected UI Goku's power, it's safe to assume that Goku has surpassed Gas
 
didn't they both take hits from Undead-looking gas?

TUI Goku broke his arm and UE vegeta kicked some flesh of his face and both took a blast and getting kick by him too
 
didn't they both take hits from Undead-looking gas?

TUI Goku broke his arm and UE vegeta kicked some flesh of his face and both took a blast and getting kick by him too
Gas was weaker than before though. When he used his full power, Goku was outmatched by Gas and barely landed a hit. Here, not only he does, but also broke his arm. Vegeta is also helped by Goku here so I wouldn't say that he scales to True UI Goku
 
His durability goes down but his power goes up as he did say he was burning away his cells to grow stronger

(Goku and Vegeta got healed meaning zenki)
 
His durability goes down but his power goes up as he did say he was burning away his cells to grow stronger

(Goku and Vegeta got healed meaning zenki)
Gas was heavily weakened by the combined attack of Goku, Vegeta and Granolah though. He didn't used his full power, as he was basically throwing whatever life force he had left in a desperate attempt to kill them. In fact, he was pretty much considered to be dead and only kept going due to his curse
 
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