Ultraman; Acausality Type 4

[WanderingGecko]

Premise​

After all this time, it’s finally happening—well, maybe it’s just me, but I’ve been waiting for this moment. The Ultra Series is diving into some seriously exciting territory, bringing in Acausality Type 4 into the mix.

Cases​

Ultraman Nexus​

Ultraman Nexus possesses the power to alter the outcomes of future events foreseen by precognitive individuals and to open up entirely new possibilities. This includes figures like Dark Zagi, who foresaw that Nagi would become Nexus’s Dunamist, and Yū Kirasawa, the Illustrator, who also holds the ability to see the future.

By transcending the despair-filled vision predicted by the Visitors, Nexus (as Noa) defied fate itself and forged an alternative future—one sparked by humanity’s courage and hope rather than fear.

Ultraman X​

Daichi's mother foresaw the Earth's future—a future where the planet and everything on it would perish due to Greeza's destruction. As a result, the Earth was left with no future and was destined for an end without continuation. However, through the Xlugger, she heard a voice from the future: Daichi's voice. It was a voice that would alter the Earth's destined demise and bring hope to all through his light.

Daichi fulfilled his mother's prophecy by changing the fate of Earth. Using the combined light of himself and Ultraman X through the Xlugger, he summoned the powers of countless Kaiju to confront Greeza and ultimately rewrite destiny itself. In the final moment, X hurled the Xlugger at Greeza, triggering a powerful explosion—because Greeza, a being that shouldn’t exist, was torn apart by the very forces of reality rejecting him.

Ultraman Orb​

Haruka is no ordinary girl—she has a mysterious gift: the power to dream of kaiju appearances with uncanny precision, foreseeing exactly when, where, and how they’ll strike. Her ability shines brightest when she predicts the arrival of all the Demon Lord kaiju, complete with details of their terrifying powers.

She reveals that these prophetic dreams have haunted her since childhood. Back then, she foresaw her family's fate... and even knew her crush would transfer schools before anyone else. That chapter of her life left her with a painful but deeply rooted belief: no matter what you do, fate cannot be changed.

But then Orb enters her life. With unwavering confidence, he tells Haruka that while the past may be set in stone, the future still holds countless possibilities. That spark of hope is proven real when the seemingly inevitable happens—and doesn’t. Orb defies destiny and survives Hoe’s deadly attack, shattering Haruka's long-held belief and revealing that fate, after all, isn’t absolute.

Ultraman R/B​

Mio Minato was taken to another dimension where the flow of time was nonexistent. There, she witnessed countless events unfolding across various times and places, each visualized as floating bubbles. Among them, she saw Katsumi and Isami fleeing and nearly killed by an attack from Grigio. Unable to bear the thought of losing her sons, she gave them the R/B Crystals—items that would alter their destiny and save their lives.

While in that dimension, she foresaw a future in which her sons would perish if they confronted Leugocyte in battle. Unable to bear the thought, she ultimately devised a plan to defeat Leugocyte without involving them in the fight. When a battle with Leugocyte erupted and the foreseen future seemed imminent, she locked her sons' transformation devices, believing she had prevented their deaths—though in truth, she hadn’t actually changed the future.

Katsumi and Isami proclaimed to their mother that the future could be changed—because they were Ultraman, beings who possessed the power to shape destiny. And they proved it: instead of being turned to stone and dying at the hands of Leugocyte, they transformed into Ruebe and altered the outcome.

Conclusion​

In the Ultra Series, Ultras are unaffected by predetermined fate and possess actions that cannot be foreseen through precognition—even on a vast scale that encompasses countless potential futures. These are futures that should have happened, but didn’t, thanks to the protective power of an Ultra’s Inner Light. This unique trait grants them Acausality (Type 4) and resistance to both Fate Manipulation and Precognition.

Characters affected by this:​

• All Ultras—i.e., everyone who possesses Ultra Physiology (obviously)
• Non-Ultras who also possess Ultra Physiology

Votes​

Agree: @FinePoint @SweetDao @MadeByZiggy @TyranoDoom30 @EddisherSound @Firestorm808 @Mr.Cutlery
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[WanderingGecko]

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[EddisherSound]

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[WanderingGecko]

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[GozyuWolf]

Premis​

Setelah sekian lama, akhirnya momen ini tiba—yah, mungkin cuma saya, tapi saya sudah menunggu momen ini. Seri Ultra akan memasuki wilayah yang sangat seru, menghadirkan Manipulasi Takdir dan Manipulasi Probabilitas.

Kasus​

Ultraman Nexus​

Ultraman Nexus memiliki kekuatan untuk mengubah hasil peristiwa masa depan yang diramalkan oleh individu yang memiliki kemampuan prekognisi dan membuka kemungkinan yang sama sekali baru . Ini termasuk tokoh-tokoh seperti Dark Zagi, yang meramalkan bahwa Nagi akan menjadi Dunamist Nexus , dan Yū Kirasawa, sang Ilustrator, yang juga memiliki kemampuan untuk melihat masa depan .

Dengan melampaui visi penuh keputusasaan yang diprediksi oleh para Pengunjung, Nexus (sebagai Noa) menentang takdir itu sendiri dan menempa masa depan alternatif—yang dipicu oleh keberanian dan harapan umat manusia, bukan ketakutan .

Ultraman X​

Ibu Daichi meramalkan masa depan Bumi—masa depan di mana planet dan segala isinya akan musnah akibat kehancuran Greeza. Akibatnya, Bumi kehilangan masa depan dan ditakdirkan untuk berakhir tanpa kelanjutan. Namun, melalui Xlugger, ia mendengar suara dari Agrem di masa depan: suara Daichi. Suara itu akan mengubah takdir kehancuran Bumi dan membawa harapan bagi semua orang melalui cahayanya.

Daichi memenuhi ramalan ibunya dengan mengubah takdir Bumi. Menggunakan cahaya gabungan dirinya dan Ultraman X melalui Xlugger, ia memanggil kekuatan Kaiju yang tak terhitung jumlahnya untuk menghadapi Greeza dan pada akhirnya mengubah takdir itu sendiri. Di saat-saat terakhir, X melemparkan Xlugger ke arah Greeza, memicu ledakan dahsyat—karena Greeza, makhluk yang seharusnya tidak ada, terkoyak oleh kekuatan realitas yang menolaknya.

Bola Ultraman​

Haruka bukan gadis biasa—ia memiliki bakat misterius: kemampuan untuk memimpikan kemunculan kaiju dengan presisi luar biasa, meramalkan dengan tepat kapan, di mana, dan bagaimana mereka akan menyerang. Kemampuannya bersinar paling terang ketika ia memprediksi kedatangan semua kaiju Raja Iblis, lengkap dengan detail kekuatan mengerikan mereka.

Ia mengungkapkan bahwa mimpi-mimpi profetik ini telah menghantuinya sejak kecil. Saat itu, ia telah meramalkan nasib keluarganya... dan bahkan tahu bahwa gebetannya akan pindah sekolah sebelum orang lain. Babak kehidupan itu meninggalkannya dengan keyakinan yang menyakitkan namun mengakar kuat: apa pun yang kau lakukan, takdir tak dapat diubah.

Namun kemudian Orb memasuki hidupnya. Dengan keyakinan yang tak tergoyahkan, ia memberi tahu Haruka bahwa meskipun masa lalu mungkin sudah ditentukan, masa depan masih menyimpan banyak kemungkinan. Secercah harapan itu terbukti nyata ketika hal yang tampaknya tak terelakkan terjadi—dan ternyata tidak. Orb menentang takdir dan selamat dari serangan mematikan Hoe, menghancurkan keyakinan lama Haruka dan mengungkapkan bahwa takdir, bagaimanapun juga, tidaklah mutlak.

Ultraman R/B​

Mio Minato dibawa ke dimensi lain di mana aliran waktu tak ada. Di sana, ia menyaksikan berbagai peristiwa yang terjadi di berbagai waktu dan tempat, masing-masing divisualisasikan sebagai gelembung-gelembung yang mengambang. Di antaranya, ia melihat Katsumi dan Isami melarikan diri dan hampir terbunuh oleh serangan Grigio. Tak sanggup membayangkan kehilangan putra-putranya, ia memberi mereka Kristal R/B—benda yang akan mengubah takdir dan menyelamatkan hidup mereka.

Saat berada di dimensi itu, ia meramalkan masa depan di mana putra-putranya akan binasa jika mereka menghadapi Leugosit dalam pertempuran. Tak tahan membayangkannya, ia akhirnya menyusun rencana untuk mengalahkan Leugosit tanpa melibatkan mereka dalam pertempuran. Ketika pertempuran dengan Leugosit meletus dan masa depan yang diramalkan tampak semakin dekat, ia mengunci perangkat transformasi putra-putranya, percaya bahwa ia telah mencegah kematian mereka—meskipun sebenarnya, ia tidak benar-benar mengubah masa depan.

Katsumi dan Isami menyatakan kepada ibu mereka bahwa masa depan dapat diubah—karena mereka adalah Ultraman, makhluk yang memiliki kekuatan untuk membentuk takdir. Dan mereka membuktikannya: alih-alih berubah menjadi batu dan mati di tangan Leugosit, mereka berubah menjadi Ruebe dan mengubah hasilnya.

Kesimpulan​

Para Ultra dalam Seri Ultra memiliki kemampuan untuk memengaruhi takdir, memungkinkan mereka mengubah hasil berbagai peristiwa sesuai keinginan mereka. Melalui tindakan tegas, mereka dapat mencegah tragedi tertentu dan mengarahkan masa depan ke arah yang lebih baik. Kekuatan ini memungkinkan mereka untuk melindungi orang-orang yang mereka sayangi dan tetap berkomitmen pada peran mereka sebagai pembela perdamaian dan keadilan. Oleh karena itu, mereka dapat dianggap sebagai pengguna Manipulasi Takdir dan Manipulasi Probabilitas .

Karakter yang terpengaruh oleh ini:​

• Semua Ultraman
• Non-Ultras yang memiliki Fisiologi Ultra

Suara​

Setuju:
Tidak setuju:
Netral:

Premis​

Setelah sekian lama, akhirnya momen ini tiba—yah, mungkin cuma saya, tapi saya sudah menunggu momen ini. Seri Ultra akan memasuki wilayah yang sangat seru, menghadirkan Manipulasi Takdir dan Manipulasi Probabilitas.

Kasus​

Ultraman Nexus​

Ultraman Nexus memiliki kekuatan untuk mengubah hasil peristiwa masa depan yang diramalkan oleh individu yang memiliki kemampuan prekognisi dan membuka kemungkinan yang sama sekali baru . Ini termasuk tokoh-tokoh seperti Dark Zagi, yang meramalkan bahwa Nagi akan menjadi Dunamist Nexus , dan Yū Kirasawa, sang Ilustrator, yang juga memiliki kemampuan untuk melihat masa depan .

Dengan melampaui visi penuh keputusasaan yang diprediksi oleh para Pengunjung, Nexus (sebagai Noa) menentang takdir itu sendiri dan menempa masa depan alternatif—yang dipicu oleh keberanian dan harapan umat manusia, bukan ketakutan .

Ultraman X​

Ibu Daichi meramalkan masa depan Bumi—masa depan di mana planet dan segala isinya akan musnah akibat kehancuran Greeza. Akibatnya, Bumi kehilangan masa depan dan ditakdirkan untuk berakhir tanpa kelanjutan. Namun, melalui Xlugger, ia mendengar suara dari masa depan: suara Daichi. Suara yang akan mengubah takdir kehancuran Bumi dan membawa harapan bagi semua orang melalui cahayanya.

Daichi memenuhi ramalan ibunya dengan mengubah takdir Bumi. Menggunakan cahaya gabungan dirinya dan Ultraman X melalui Xlugger, ia memanggil kekuatan Kaiju yang tak terhitung jumlahnya untuk menghadapi Greeza dan pada akhirnya mengubah takdir itu sendiri. Di saat-saat terakhir, X melemparkan Xlugger ke arah Greeza, memicu ledakan dahsyat—karena Greeza, makhluk yang seharusnya tidak ada, terkoyak oleh kekuatan realitas yang menolaknya.

Bola Ultraman​

Haruka bukan gadis biasa—ia memiliki bakat misterius: kemampuan untuk memimpikan kemunculan kaiju dengan presisi luar biasa, meramalkan dengan tepat kapan, di mana, dan bagaimana mereka akan menyerang. Kemampuannya bersinar paling terang ketika ia memprediksi kedatangan semua kaiju Raja Iblis, lengkap dengan detail kekuatan mengerikan mereka.

Ia mengungkapkan bahwa mimpi-mimpi profetik ini telah menghantuinya sejak kecil. Saat itu, ia telah meramalkan nasib keluarganya... dan bahkan tahu bahwa gebetannya akan pindah sekolah sebelum orang lain. Babak kehidupan itu meninggalkannya dengan keyakinan yang menyakitkan namun mengakar kuat: apa pun yang kau lakukan, takdir tak dapat diubah.

Namun kemudian Orb memasuki hidupnya. Dengan keyakinan yang tak tergoyahkan, ia memberi tahu Haruka bahwa meskipun masa lalu mungkin sudah ditentukan, masa depan masih menyimpan banyak kemungkinan. Secercah harapan itu terbukti nyata ketika hal yang tampaknya tak terelakkan terjadi—dan ternyata tidak. Orb menentang takdir dan selamat dari serangan mematikan Hoe, menghancurkan keyakinan lama Haruka dan mengungkapkan bahwa takdir, bagaimanapun juga, tidaklah mutlak.

Ultraman R/B​

Mio Minato dibawa ke dimensi lain di mana aliran waktu tak ada. Di sana, ia menyaksikan berbagai peristiwa yang terjadi di berbagai waktu dan tempat, masing-masing divisualisasikan sebagai gelembung-gelembung yang mengambang. Di antaranya, ia melihat Katsumi dan Isami melarikan diri dan hampir terbunuh oleh serangan Grigio. Tak sanggup membayangkan kehilangan putra-putranya, ia memberi mereka Kristal R/B—benda yang akan mengubah takdir dan menyelamatkan hidup mereka.

Saat berada di dimensi itu, ia meramalkan masa depan di mana putra-putranya akan binasa jika mereka menghadapi Leugosit dalam pertempuran. Tak tahan membayangkannya, ia akhirnya menyusun rencana untuk mengalahkan Leugosit tanpa melibatkan mereka dalam pertempuran. Ketika pertempuran dengan Leugosit meletus dan masa depan yang diramalkan tampak semakin dekat, ia mengunci perangkat transformasi putra-putranya, percaya bahwa ia telah mencegah kematian mereka—meskipun sebenarnya, ia tidak benar-benar mengubah masa depan.

Katsumi dan Isami menyatakan kepada ibu mereka bahwa masa depan dapat diubah—karena mereka adalah Ultraman, makhluk yang memiliki kekuatan untuk membentuk takdir. Dan mereka membuktikannya: alih-alih berubah menjadi batu dan mati di tangan Leugosit, mereka berubah menjadi Ruebe dan mengubah hasilnya.

Kesimpulan​

Para Ultra dalam Seri Ultra memiliki kemampuan untuk memengaruhi takdir, memungkinkan mereka mengubah hasil berbagai peristiwa sesuai keinginan mereka. Melalui tindakan tegas, mereka dapat mencegah tragedi tertentu dan mengarahkan masa depan ke arah yang lebih baik. Kekuatan ini memungkinkan mereka untuk melindungi orang-orang yang mereka sayangi dan tetap berkomitmen pada peran mereka sebagai pembela perdamaian dan keadilan. Oleh karena itu, mereka dapat dianggap sebagai pengguna Manipulasi Takdir dan Manipulasi Probabilitas .

Karakter yang terpengaruh oleh ini:​

• Semua Ultraman
• Non-Ultras yang memiliki Fisiologi Ultra

Suara​

Setuju:
Tidak setuju:
Netral:

Agree.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Agree.

Counted.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[SweetDao]

Seems honest and straightforward yeah. Although I don't know much about the verse.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Seems honest and straightforward yeah. Although I don't know much about the verse.

Counted.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[Kazanshin]

Following and in agreement. Defying and changing fate is a pretty common theme across Ultraman. The lyrics of Geed literally go "your chosen story, each time you defy it you build history". I'm sure there'd be more examples if the franchise was combed over.

 

[FinePoint]

Seems honest and straightforward yeah. Although I don't know much about the verse.

Based on the descriptions of the feats in the OP, this does seem straightforward.

However, actually looking at the scans, this all seems to imply far more that fate itself is, in actuality, not really a thing in this verse, and that the future can be changed through your actions.

That is to say, this seems to all just be about how a bad future can be avoided by the interference of heroes, not that they're using some kind of hax to literally change fate and probability.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Based on the descriptions of the feats in the OP, this does seem straightforward.

However, actually looking at the scans, this all seems to imply far more that fate itself is, in actuality, not really a thing in this verse, and that the future can be changed through your actions.

That is to say, this seems to all just be about how a bad future can be avoided by the interference of heroes, not that they're using some kind of hax to literally change fate and probability.

I thought the same thing at first glance, but after examining the many examples, my perspective changed.

Fate can be changed through the actions of the Ultras—but not by ordinary humans. X, Nexus, Orb, and R/B reinforced this idea when they altered destiny to save humanity from impending doom caused by a world-ending threat.

Tsuburaya has also referred to destiny (or fate) as a real force within the Ultra Series, as mentioned in one of their official cards that ties directly into the series’ lore.

Another example is Dyna altering Earth’s fate—preventing it from being consumed by Gransphere—as foretold in a future vision shown to him by his father, Kazuma Asuka, in a dream. In the Ultra Series, dreams are a recognized form of precognition.

 

[FinePoint]

I thought the same thing at first glance, but after examining the many examples, my perspective changed.

Fate can be changed through the actions of the Ultras—but not by ordinary humans. X, Nexus, Orb, and R/B reinforced this idea when they altered destiny to save humanity from impending doom caused by a world-ending threat.

Tsuburaya has also referred to destiny (or fate) as a real force within the Ultra Series, as mentioned in one of their official cards that ties directly into the series’ lore.

Another example is Dyna altering Earth’s fate—preventing it from being consumed by Gransphere—as foretold in a future vision shown to him by his father, Kazuma Asuka, in a dream. In the Ultra Series, dreams are a recognized form of precognition.

Well, from the perspective that a predetermined outcome is likely but not guaranteed, it would make a lot of sense for the super-powered individuals to have the most capacity to make that change as opposed to the regular humans, who, from my understanding, can't really do anything about a world-ending threat.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Well, from the perspective that a predetermined outcome is likely but not guaranteed, it would make a lot of sense for the super-powered individuals to have the most capacity to make that change as opposed to the regular humans, who, from my understanding, can't really do anything about a world-ending threat.

Humans actually have the capability to do crazy stuff. They can destroy planets and stars with their weapons or even copy an Ultra’s power. Even in Ultraman X and R/B, they created objects powerful enough to fight world-ending threats—though it didn’t work, but you get the pont.

In the end, there are just some things humans can’t do because fate determines the course of events—and that’s where the Ultras come in clutch. They defy fate and shape outcomes that favor justice and hope. And this isn’t far-fetched, considering they can manipulate the narrative to always win battles (as accepted in CRT), or even resist concept-altering powers through their very existence.

 

[SweetDao]

Based on the descriptions of the feats in the OP, this does seem straightforward.

However, actually looking at the scans, this all seems to imply far more that fate itself is, in actuality, not really a thing in this verse, and that the future can be changed through your actions.

That is to say, this seems to all just be about how a bad future can be avoided by the interference of heroes, not that they're using some kind of hax to literally change fate and probability.

Honestly, yeah, I can understand the skepticism, but in my opinion, if we take the assumption that certain futures ARE predetermined through precognition, but the heroes can change it, it definitely seems like some sort of hax.

Maybe it wouldn't be fate manip or anything, but moreso "acausality" instead because they can seemingly alter a future that should be predetermined. (And that the people with precognition can't even foresee this).

 

[FinePoint]

Maybe it wouldn't be fate manip or anything, but moreso "acausality" instead because they can seemingly alter a future that should be predetermined. (And that the people with precognition can't even foresee this).

I wouldn't be opposed to acausality instead. That does seem more fitting with the seemingly "passive" nature of it.

 

[WanderingGecko]

I wouldn't be opposed to acausality instead. That does seem more fitting with the seemingly "passive" nature of it.

Then I take it this is better listed as "Acausality Type 4 (Resistance to Fate Manipulation and Precognition)" rather than Fate Manipulation and Probability Manipulation?

 

[FinePoint]

Then I take it this is better listed as "Acausality Type 4 (Resistance to Fate Manipulation and Precognition)" rather than Fate Manipulation and Probability Manipulation?

Well the parentheses would just be an elaboration on the fact that they regularly are able to influence events which are supposedly predetermined by fate, but yes, something like that.

 

[WanderingGecko]

@GozyuWolf @Kazanshin @SweetDao @FinePoint

I’ve updated the classification—replacing Fate Manipulation and Probability Manipulation with Acausality Type 4, as you guys suggested.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[Muteki616]

I thought the same thing at first glance, but after examining the many examples, my perspective changed.

Fate can be changed through the actions of the Ultras—but not by ordinary humans. X, Nexus, Orb, and R/B reinforced this idea when they altered destiny to save humanity from impending doom caused by a world-ending threat.

Tsuburaya has also referred to destiny (or fate) as a real force within the Ultra Series, as mentioned in one of their official cards that ties directly into the series’ lore.

Another example is Dyna altering Earth’s fate—preventing it from being consumed by Gransphere—as foretold in a future vision shown to him by his father, Kazuma Asuka, in a dream. In the Ultra Series, dreams are a recognized form of precognition.

Honestly, yeah, I can understand the skepticism, but in my opinion, if we take the assumption that certain futures ARE predetermined through precognition, but the heroes can change it, it definitely seems like some sort of hax.

Maybe it wouldn't be fate manip or anything, but moreso "acausality" instead because they can seemingly alter a future that should be predetermined. (And that the people with precognition can't even foresee this).

Agree FRA.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Agree FRA.

Counted.

 

[FinePoint]

The new proposal looks good to me.

Have you contacted other staff? You need at least one more staff vote for this to be accepted.

 

[WanderingGecko]

The new proposal looks good to me.

Counted.

Have you contacted other staff? You need at least one more staff vote for this to be accepted.

I haven’t, but I’ll try in a bit (still busy with IRL stuff). Thanks for your input

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Agreed, but this seems more like fate manipulation and resistance to it than Acausality

 

[WanderingGecko]

Agreed, but this seems more like fate manipulation and resistance to it than Acausality

That WAS the initial idea, but @FinePoint’s arguments changed my mind.

 

[FinePoint]

Agreed, but this seems more like fate manipulation and resistance to it than Acausality

That WAS the initial idea, but @FinePoint’s arguments changed my mind.

Basically, "Fate Manipulation" implies manipulating fate directly.

Just passively not being bound by fate (and being able to change it as a result) is more fitting for Acausality Type 4.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Just passively not being bound by fate (and being able to change it as a result) is more fitting for Acausality Type 4.

Basically, "Fate Manipulation" implies manipulating fate directly.

Just passively not being bound by fate (and being able to change it as a result) is more fitting for Acausality Type 4.

Yup.

I honestly don’t mind them getting Acausality Type 4, since they already have absurd hax like CM2 and Plot Manipulation.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[EddisherSound]

New proposal looks good, agree

 

[WanderingGecko]

New proposal looks good, agree

Counted.

 

[WanderingGecko]

Bump.

 

[Firestorm808]

I suppose it's okay.

 

[WanderingGecko]

I suppose it's okay.

Thanks for the input

 

[Mr.Cutlery]

Overdue, but I guess throw me in on agree with the new proposal based on FinePoint's suggestion