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Continuing from this thread.
Keys
Kirby hasn't always been as strong, he was around 5-A in earlier games, 4-A by the time he defeated Drawcia, and a certain higher level when he fought Magolor. As you can see here, he really had no reason to be as powerful as Nova around the time he beat Marx, but by the time he could defeat Marx Soul (Marx w/ Nova's powers) and Star Dream (Same "species" as Nova) he was clearly up on that level.
Making keys for those 3 stats would be messy given normal powers, Copy Abilities and OE. So I propose Kirby to have 1 key at 5-A right before he defeated Drawcia (Pre-Canvas Curse), 1 right before Star Allies (Pre-Star Allies), and a current one (Post-Star Allies), with other notable characters like MK only having the latter 2 keys as they are, and final bosses being 5-A and 4-A if needed to.
Low-tiers
Mostly already being done in this thread; The black hole calc needs to be gone and the planet Popstar-cracking feat needs to be re-calc'd. The Helpers will scale to Iron Mom's planet-cracking feat, being weaker but able to beat her.
Helpers also need to have 2 keys; as regular enemies and as Helpers, as at least in Star Allies they scale to the friendship/positive-based Accelerated Development Fighters 2 establishes, and so they should "possibly" have the same tier & stats as the top-tiers, as they could have used said ability to grow at that power. All Star Allies have that Accelerated Development, + the few characters who showed it in Fighters 2.
Lifting Strength
For the top-tiers after the fight with Magolor it should be Multi-Stellar as Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede and Bandana Dee can withstand being near and survive getting sucked into a black hole that quickly rolls the space in the setting shown, including the stars in the background of it, with the cast getting only slowly attracted while trying to outrun or outfly it.
For scaling, in Star Allies MK has an attack where he flies at foes but can be intercepted with an attack, making a clash and pushing him back while he's overpowered for a bit.
Master Crown's feat
From Magolor's profile; "His defeat caused the destruction of interstellar parts of the reality where he was, including the place where his fight took place and the 15 areas where the Sphere Doomers were fought in Return to Dream Land, when each of them had multiple stars"
Now we know for sure that those areas were not in the same dimension, each was in a different dimension:
On a more casual note and as I often presume, those Jap. guides we don't have likely say that Another Dimension in general was being destroyed, and Sakurai knows how many universes has that, but eh.
Void Termina blows up
Void Termina gets defeated, blows up, Kirby & co. escape the explosion while passing by stars and a galaxy from a lateral point of view, then as they keep moving away we see from a frontal point of view another galaxy in the background and that the explosion is expanding onto Kirby & co., there's a cut and next thing we know they're all off the vehicle they had with Kirby unconscious, being thus implied that they were reached by the explosion and therefore it having reached those 2 galaxies, as well as the other galaxies seen in the area where the fight took place. Or, it maybe didn't reach the first galaxy but had to cover an area of a higher size, as it was expanding omnidirectionally while it moved passed that galaxy, there were also 4 or so galaxies seen in the fight with Void Termina, all around the same distance away from the fight; if the first galaxy shown in the escape wasn't one of them then the results get higher, if it was then the explosion got big enough to reach into 1 galaxy and, as it expanded omnidirectionally, it should have reached the space of those others galaxies too.
Idk how to word that shorter, maybe a calc should say it rather than the profile.
They would be "3-B, likely 2-C" by this point.
Bonus
We need this 5-A calc evaluated to update some Kirby manga pages.
We need this crazy speed feat evaluated to update some novel Kirby pages, the logistics need to be evaluated together with the math and so that's something, but nothing out of this world.
Keys
Kirby hasn't always been as strong, he was around 5-A in earlier games, 4-A by the time he defeated Drawcia, and a certain higher level when he fought Magolor. As you can see here, he really had no reason to be as powerful as Nova around the time he beat Marx, but by the time he could defeat Marx Soul (Marx w/ Nova's powers) and Star Dream (Same "species" as Nova) he was clearly up on that level.
Making keys for those 3 stats would be messy given normal powers, Copy Abilities and OE. So I propose Kirby to have 1 key at 5-A right before he defeated Drawcia (Pre-Canvas Curse), 1 right before Star Allies (Pre-Star Allies), and a current one (Post-Star Allies), with other notable characters like MK only having the latter 2 keys as they are, and final bosses being 5-A and 4-A if needed to.
Low-tiers
Mostly already being done in this thread; The black hole calc needs to be gone and the planet Popstar-cracking feat needs to be re-calc'd. The Helpers will scale to Iron Mom's planet-cracking feat, being weaker but able to beat her.
Helpers also need to have 2 keys; as regular enemies and as Helpers, as at least in Star Allies they scale to the friendship/positive-based Accelerated Development Fighters 2 establishes, and so they should "possibly" have the same tier & stats as the top-tiers, as they could have used said ability to grow at that power. All Star Allies have that Accelerated Development, + the few characters who showed it in Fighters 2.
Lifting Strength
For the top-tiers after the fight with Magolor it should be Multi-Stellar as Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede and Bandana Dee can withstand being near and survive getting sucked into a black hole that quickly rolls the space in the setting shown, including the stars in the background of it, with the cast getting only slowly attracted while trying to outrun or outfly it.
For scaling, in Star Allies MK has an attack where he flies at foes but can be intercepted with an attack, making a clash and pushing him back while he's overpowered for a bit.
Master Crown's feat
From Magolor's profile; "His defeat caused the destruction of interstellar parts of the reality where he was, including the place where his fight took place and the 15 areas where the Sphere Doomers were fought in Return to Dream Land, when each of them had multiple stars"
Now we know for sure that those areas were not in the same dimension, each was in a different dimension:
- "Countless Sphere Lowpers (Sphere Doomers) came to Popstar drawn by the energy of Spheres (Energy Spheres) that crosses dimensions"
- "Through the energy of Spheres (Energy Spheres) scattered in countless worlds, holes of another dimension are created here and there...from 1 of them, Grand Lowper (Grand Doomer) comes!"
- Only the interstellar areas around Popstar and Halcandra were being destroyed in those 15 or 16 universes, meaning that the feat remains the same.
- The destruction was reaching all of those 15 or 16 universes, hence it moved from universe to universe and could appear in the same areas of them. Meaning it's a 2-C feat.
On a more casual note and as I often presume, those Jap. guides we don't have likely say that Another Dimension in general was being destroyed, and Sakurai knows how many universes has that, but eh.
Void Termina blows up
Void Termina gets defeated, blows up, Kirby & co. escape the explosion while passing by stars and a galaxy from a lateral point of view, then as they keep moving away we see from a frontal point of view another galaxy in the background and that the explosion is expanding onto Kirby & co., there's a cut and next thing we know they're all off the vehicle they had with Kirby unconscious, being thus implied that they were reached by the explosion and therefore it having reached those 2 galaxies, as well as the other galaxies seen in the area where the fight took place. Or, it maybe didn't reach the first galaxy but had to cover an area of a higher size, as it was expanding omnidirectionally while it moved passed that galaxy, there were also 4 or so galaxies seen in the fight with Void Termina, all around the same distance away from the fight; if the first galaxy shown in the escape wasn't one of them then the results get higher, if it was then the explosion got big enough to reach into 1 galaxy and, as it expanded omnidirectionally, it should have reached the space of those others galaxies too.
Idk how to word that shorter, maybe a calc should say it rather than the profile.
They would be "3-B, likely 2-C" by this point.
Bonus
We need this 5-A calc evaluated to update some Kirby manga pages.
We need this crazy speed feat evaluated to update some novel Kirby pages, the logistics need to be evaluated together with the math and so that's something, but nothing out of this world.