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That wasn't Frisk in the Genocide Route
Basically that wasn't really Frisk in Genocide, but Chara.
This also removes every single thing about Frisk that was done in the Genocide, meaning that some justifications like Sans or Glad Dummy have to change.
(Btw the link for monsters' weakness to murder intent on Frisk and Flowey profile is dead, this is a new one).
"But why 7-C?" you may ask. Well, let's see now.
90 ATK and above upgrade
Let's see again what is Mettaton NEO and his context.
At least Building level+, possibly Town level (Mettaton NEO, despite never attacking, has an immense attack value of 90, making him far stronger than both Asgore and Toriel. As he was originally built from Alphys to be a Human Eradication Robot, with her making researches and experiments on the Human SOULs and the Determination that gives them power, it's possible that Mettaton NEO may actually overpower even strong humans, whose power can match all of the Underground's population at their peak Determination)
Undyne the Undying obviosuly upscales due to her having 99 ATK. An AP rating can be the following:
At least Building level+, possibly Town level (Unlike the other monsters, who melt after getting their bodies injected with Determination due to their inability to sustain it, she's managed to control said Determination, getting new power from it and reaching an enourmous attack value of 99, making her the strongest monsters that is possible to encounter in the Genocide Route, surpassing even Mettaton NEO, as well as the only character who can give to Chara a fight in said Route outside of Sans)
Edit: I genuinely forgot about base MTT's DEF of 255 and he's stated multiple times to be invulnerable with Frisk being completely unable to hurt him, so he'd get this upgrade too in durability.
Frisk gets a speed downgrade
This is not attacking any rating, but more a scaling on their profile.
even higher with Immense Determination (Could keep up with Photoshop Flowey's rain of attacks)
Issue though it's that Flowey's justification is:
At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely higher (Kept up with a Frisk who defeated Asgore and could repeatedly blitz Frisk when not holding back at the end of their fight)
This is literally just circular scaling. Frisk was literally blitzed multiple times from a non-serious Flowey and unlike in the Asriel fight, they have 0 reasons to get a speed increase against Flowey. Yeet that "even higher" and we're good.
Lifting Strength downgrade (not anymore lol)
Alright the Class 25 is bad because it doesn't take count of the friction, as Papyrus didn't lift the bones but just pushed them on the ground. I made a recalc and it's only Class 10 when accounting for it. Meaning that every Class 25 will change to Class 10.
Edit: MTT EX has a legit Class 25 feat (14102.251 kg), and the ones who'd scale are Undyne (both forms), Asgore, Toriel, MTT NEO and Papyrus (he downscales from her and Undyne finds lifting one of the things she values the most in physicals).
Sans would still get Class 25 through TK due to his gravity magic being far superior to Papyrus' for obvious reasons.
Photoshop Flowey will get a Class 100 due to him overpowering at once Asgore, Papyrus, Toriel and Undyne (which multiplies said Class 25 x 4, so we get 56409.004 Kg), with Asriel obviosuly upscaling.
TLDR
That wasn't Frisk in the Genocide Route
Basically that wasn't really Frisk in Genocide, but Chara.
- In the Genocide Route, when Frisk looks at their reflection, it says "It's me, Chara", unlike in the other routes where it just recognizes it as Frisk.
- Flowey recognized the child as Chara since the start, unlike in the other routes (yeah I know he did as Asriel, but the convinction wasn't as strong as in the other routes)
- Chara makes in the Genocide route multiple comments which are more like personal comments rather than simple description, like Chara noticing how Asgore has still an old sweater, them having already read a note or the popular "NO CHOCOLATE" quote. If we compare them with the Pacifist, we notice that there are more non-personal descriptions instead, like it simply saying what is in the drawer, the note being actually read and it simply saying what the fridge has inside.
- Other list of evidences of Chara taking control.
This also removes every single thing about Frisk that was done in the Genocide, meaning that some justifications like Sans or Glad Dummy have to change.
(Btw the link for monsters' weakness to murder intent on Frisk and Flowey profile is dead, this is a new one).
"But why 7-C?" you may ask. Well, let's see now.
90 ATK and above upgrade
Let's see again what is Mettaton NEO and his context.
- He was originally planned to be a Human Eradication Robot
- His body was created from Alphys after that he met her
At least Building level+, possibly Town level (Mettaton NEO, despite never attacking, has an immense attack value of 90, making him far stronger than both Asgore and Toriel. As he was originally built from Alphys to be a Human Eradication Robot, with her making researches and experiments on the Human SOULs and the Determination that gives them power, it's possible that Mettaton NEO may actually overpower even strong humans, whose power can match all of the Underground's population at their peak Determination)
Undyne the Undying obviosuly upscales due to her having 99 ATK. An AP rating can be the following:
At least Building level+, possibly Town level (Unlike the other monsters, who melt after getting their bodies injected with Determination due to their inability to sustain it, she's managed to control said Determination, getting new power from it and reaching an enourmous attack value of 99, making her the strongest monsters that is possible to encounter in the Genocide Route, surpassing even Mettaton NEO, as well as the only character who can give to Chara a fight in said Route outside of Sans)
Edit: I genuinely forgot about base MTT's DEF of 255 and he's stated multiple times to be invulnerable with Frisk being completely unable to hurt him, so he'd get this upgrade too in durability.
Frisk gets a speed downgrade
This is not attacking any rating, but more a scaling on their profile.
even higher with Immense Determination (Could keep up with Photoshop Flowey's rain of attacks)
Issue though it's that Flowey's justification is:
At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely higher (Kept up with a Frisk who defeated Asgore and could repeatedly blitz Frisk when not holding back at the end of their fight)
This is literally just circular scaling. Frisk was literally blitzed multiple times from a non-serious Flowey and unlike in the Asriel fight, they have 0 reasons to get a speed increase against Flowey. Yeet that "even higher" and we're good.
Lifting Strength downgrade (not anymore lol)
Alright the Class 25 is bad because it doesn't take count of the friction, as Papyrus didn't lift the bones but just pushed them on the ground. I made a recalc and it's only Class 10 when accounting for it. Meaning that every Class 25 will change to Class 10.
Edit: MTT EX has a legit Class 25 feat (14102.251 kg), and the ones who'd scale are Undyne (both forms), Asgore, Toriel, MTT NEO and Papyrus (he downscales from her and Undyne finds lifting one of the things she values the most in physicals).
Sans would still get Class 25 through TK due to his gravity magic being far superior to Papyrus' for obvious reasons.
Photoshop Flowey will get a Class 100 due to him overpowering at once Asgore, Papyrus, Toriel and Undyne (which multiplies said Class 25 x 4, so we get 56409.004 Kg), with Asriel obviosuly upscaling.
TLDR
- Chara gets a new key for when they possess Frisk in Genocide
- Undyne the Undying, Mettaton NEO and Chara in their new key get a "possibly 7-C"
- Frisk gets a minor clean up in their speed.
- Class 25 justifications change
- Edit 1: MTT Box' defense gets "8-C+, possibly 7-C"
- Edit 2: The strongest monsters get Class 25 LS still, with Photoshop Flowey/Asriel getting Class 100.
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