Unicron possible P&A key separation

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So there's been an issue on various VS threads as to which abilities Unicron's 5-B and 2-A avatars have from his 1-B true self. Ideally, the powers & abilities section should be divided into keys to clear up any confusion from this.

Of course, without the key separation it would appear as if Unicron's avatars have all the abilities of his true self when this is not the case.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

While I agree, his avatars vary a looooot, so I'm not even 100% sure what to do.

 

[Wokistan]

I was the one who sorta brought this up so yeah I agree

I'm not knowledgeable on transformers though so idk what goes where


@Zach if you know the verse, i'd say make keys for the more notable of his avatars, if he has any.

 

[Wokistan]

You should ask the dudes listed under transformers on the Knowledgeable Members List.

 

[Antvasima]

As Wokistan said, you should use the Knowledgeable Members List and also the Transformers verse page to find people to ask to comment here.

 

[Crabwhale]

As a guy who's fairly comfortable in calling himself the most knowledgeable person on Transformers on this wiki (given that all the others have either gone inactive, retired, have been banned or are highly specialized ) I can safely say that non-higher dimensional Unicron should NOT have Abstract Existence.

 

[Crabwhale]

Even his strongest avatars are actual physical beings that can be harmed by various physical means, while the whole "very concept of evil and chaos itself" probably only applies to the Big U himself.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

So just 1-B or does 2-A Unicron have it as well?

EDIT: Nevermind.

 

[Crabwhale]

2-A is sorta iffy, even for me, but I think the safest option is to assume only 1-B has A.E.

 

[KLOL506]

5-B Unicron should just be upgraded to 5-A, since he is consistently shown as being the size of Saturn.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Then he again he's described to eat everything including stars when devouring an entire universe soooooooo....., High 4-C Unicron for some of his other avatars?

 

[Not_Icarus]

and I think that we can keep the 5-B key, 5-B, 5-A, High-4C, and 2-A for all of his avatars sounds nice.

 

[Antvasima]

@Crabwhale

Would you be willing to reorganise Unicron's P&A section, possibly with tabbers?

 

[Crabwhale]

5-B Unicron should just be upgraded to 5-A, since he is consistently shown as being the size of Saturn.

Not even close. Saturn-sized was only reserved to Marvel G1 and maybe a few other continuities that I am forgetting.

Disappointingly enough, he usually shows up as either the size of Earth or smaller.

 

[Crabwhale]

Perhaps.

 

[Crabwhale]

Unicron in general needs some reworking, as does the other top tier of the verse, Primus, since after the Shroud they're both no longer multiversal singularities and instead splintered throughout time and space as a collective mass of chaos and order, rather than one singular entity creating many avatars.

It's even led to some Unicrons being good, while some Primuses(?) being evil.

 

[Not_Icarus]

We have a Marvel, IDW, and G1 composite Optimus Prime though. Which is ironically stronger than base power Unicron since 5-A>5-B. Can't we just add in his extra avatar forms to at least balance things out since he's weaker than Optimus in this site at base forms?

 

[Antvasima]

@Crabwhale

Well, help is always appreciated.

 

[Crabwhale]

I will have to get back to both of you later.

Currently busy.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Crabwhale]

Sorry for the long wait, I am available now. Or, er, will be tomorrow, more specifically. Considering it's night here, I don't think I'll be able to make any major revisions in such a short time. Anywho, to address both of you:

@ Not Icarus

Composite profiles don't have to scale to anybody. They just take the best showing of the character and put them in one profile. Unicron most frequently shows up as a Saturn-sized object, instead appearing much more frequently as either Earth-sized or smaller. Even his original incarnation was smaller than a moon.

@ Ant

Yes, I suppose separating the powers and abilities could be done. However, there is still the question of how we should name the keys? I'm thinking something along the lines of "Avatars/Post-Shroud" and "True Unicron/Pre-Shroud".

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that seems to probably be fine.

Should I unlock the Primus and Unicro profiles?

 

[Crabwhale]

Suppose so. I'll be done as soon as I can.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You forgot Vector Prime profile

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, I will unlock all 3 profiles. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Crabwhale]

Also noticed that Primus's profile has a bunch of stuff missing, so Imma correct that too while I am at it.

 

[Crabwhale]

Terribly sorry to say, but it is insanely late here. I was only able to fix Primus. I will have to fix Uncron and Vector tomorrow.

In the meantime, might wanna lock them again.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the help.

They can probably remain open until you are done.

 

[Crabwhale]

Well, uh, I sorta may have had Matt lock them again for purposes of you having not been active at the time.

Terribly sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Should I unlock them again?

 

[Crabwhale]

Only Unicron and Vector, Primus I am already done with.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Crabwhale]

Actually, on second thought, unlock Primus as well. Looking at Unicron's profile, it seems I missed some stuff.

 

[DMB_1]

I am sorry to bother you guys, but what does imply Unicron's type 1 abstract existence other than, well, his profile quote?

 

[Crabwhale]

Because Unicron isn't simply a character, it is the very personification of chaos that exists beyond the conventional multiverse in a Void of pure nothingness, and no matter how much one might try, nothing can affect that true representation of Unicron unless it has comparable or greater authority and power, which is understandably a very limited group.

 

[DMB_1]

Interesting.

 

[Crabwhale]

The only time True Unicron was affected was when Nexus Prime got ahold of both the Star Saber (the true one) and the Terminus Blade. Either of those are able to affect the entire multiverse in a great scale, and combined along with Nexus Prime's inherent power were able to permanently strengthen the boundaries between universes and shatter Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen Primes across the multiverse, putting an end to them being multiversal singularities.

 

[Antvasima]

I have unlocked Primus.

 

[Crabwhale]

This should hopefully be the last time I bother you...

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.