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16yo human tomboy student girl who has Class T LS wow
Well Aizen called it impressive, so wouldn't this be an upscale?
You all do realize that Aizen is explicitly holding his Spiritual Pressure back so they don't die, right? Hell, he only stops holding back after Gin "kills" him.

Pretty much. The applications of Reiatsu crush mentioned here are already covered by stuff like Paralysis Inducement or Fear Manipulation, alongside other abilities. It's hax that targets the soul with AP in the mix, not LS.
Its spiritual pressure, not physical pressure, not LS, just Soulish AP.
I'm pretty sure it's always been accepted as physical Lifting Strength, too.
Vegeta has space-time manipulation as well
He doesn't resist it, though.
Vegeta can do anything to souls, he has absolute control over them

Unless you are stronger than him, no spiritual attack will affect him.
What?
Vegeta is able to overcome Mind Manipulations with Pure Power (AP), meaning mind things are useless against him.
Kyoka Suigetsu isn't mind manipulation though, it's perception manipulation and sense manipulation.
Hado 90 atomize anyone within it, Vegeta is resistance to Existental level matter destruction
Sure, I guess.

Anyway, Aizen's profile is outdated for now, and Bleach supporters are waiting until season four of the Bleach: Thousand-Year Blood War anime to update him.
 
Aizen physiacally reaistu crushed yhwach's reaistu that has higher than class T lifting strength feat so his reaistu crush is default 1:1 when he chooses to release it offensively which tybw aizen does at the start of any fight.
Again, Reiatsu =/= LS.
All the profiles refer to actual physical feats for LS.
The class T justification is from Toshiro's ice as far as I'm seeing.
Other characters just scale up to that from stopping other characters physically.
Reiatsu isn't an argument.
Nor does the page say anything about that at all.
So you need to show me where this is stated or accepted on the verse or I don't care.
It having "weight" or crushing properties is just the effects of it attacking the soul which is what it literally does.
Yhwach scales to Z only using something like TK which nobody scales to physically iirc.
Because he lowered it intentionally, verbatim stated by the man himself. This isn't an argument. Tybw Aizen is full display how his offensive reaistu is relative to his LS stats.
What about Yammy?
Wasn't Tatsuki resisting it for a while? What's her lifting strength?
There were also normal humans in the vicinity standing just fine, what's that about?
They only die when they have their souls absorbed from their bodies at the looks of it.
Her soul was being crushed from being near Yammy but she's still pushing herself up.
Sure she's more spiritually attuned than other humans, but we aren't gonna sit here and act like she has any notable LS feats. So what's up with that?
Maybe..just maybe this whole Reiatsu thing is completely overblown?
Because layers argument suck, Yhwach's has transcendent reaitsu, Aizen KS worked on him.
That isn't an argument. Are they accepted or not?
If they aren't then it's not applicable and therefore can't be used.
Gee idk, maybe update the profiles so they can be viable in versus matchups?
Why would his first attack be hakai?
His first attack basically WAS Hakai since he flared his existence erasing aura straight at Granolah?
Hakai energy literally radiates from his entire body like constantly.
Hell, Aizen may not even survive an encounter with Vegeta just by being NEAR him.
Should I remind you that Blue Vegeta's first move against Granolah was LITERALLY using Hakai to make extremely large explosions to get the drop off on him?
So when he see's a weaker Aizen, why they hell would he NOT Hakai him instantly and get it over with?
Especially in Ultra Ego where Vegeta genuinely has to revert to his old self to make use of the technique.
Vegeta just points and wins basically.
Aizen doesn't survive the first move even with KS, that doesn't just stop the aura.
When has vegeta done this as a first attack?
Multiple times.
The second time he transformed against Granolah he immediately went for a Hakai on him.
Like the second he transformed.
Also Aizen can protect himself from those attacks with spatial manip like kyokko.
Cool.
Vegeta still erases by flexing as his first move.
Cool, still wouldn't touch him while Aizen summons a fcking hado 90.
Hado 90 is never getting used.
At best, it's getting shattered before ever completing.

Anyways, Vegeta wins pretty easily imo.
I don't much care about this topic so I won't be responding anymore.
 
It doesn't make sense for you to say that he suppressed his spiritual pressure.

Since Aizen himself, after saying that Arisawa is impressive, states that he intended to kill Ichigo's friends; he even goes so far as to unsheathe his Zanpakutou.



Furthermore, Ichigo's friends were near Gin when he was killed by Aizen, meaning that even if you think he was suppressing his power, it would still be at least the reiatsu of a captain-level character, which would still easily kill Ichigo's friends (if reiatsu had LS).

And it was Aizen after evolving again, so much so that some of Ichigo's friends even fainted for a few seconds before getting up normally even with Aizen still there.

 
what reason would aizen have to hold back against ichigo’s friends he was literally a scene before walking past a random guy and vaporized him
 
nah not my goat
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I hope everyone knows the "Layers" for Bleach's Soul Hax, is Potency Based... So Vegeta which is... who knows... tens to hundreds of times above Baseline 2-C 3 Universes (via transformation multiplers) still would NOT be affected in the slightest.
 
Again, Reiatsu =/= LS.
Ahh the classic "Nuh Uh" with no scans to back up what you are saying. Saying Nuh uh doesn't debunk the literal volume of scans i brought suggesting the opposite, try again.
All the profiles refer to actual physical feats for LS.
The class T justification is from Toshiro's ice as far as I'm seeing.
Okay so? Toshiro class T comes from his ice strength, people have raw reaistu at class T strength because they exceed his ice strength, thats why Kenpachi and others have a physical class T rating Unlike regular Toshiro who only to scales with his ice so this isn't a debunk.
Other characters just scale up to that from stopping other characters physically.
Reiatsu isn't an argument.
Where is the proof that reaistu doesn't scale to LS as well? There is not one single scan in your comment that supports this, Your words from ignorance is not automatically negating the scans i brought as a counter argument.
Nor does the page say anything about that at all.
So you need to show me where this is stated or accepted on the verse or I don't care.
It's literally already accepted if not toshiro would be the only one with a class T rating lol.
It having "weight" or crushing properties is just the effects of it attacking the soul which is what it literally does.
No it isn't, you brought that outta your ass and that isn't even how it works, it also affects your physical body as well. You think bleach characters only affect the soul?
Yhwach scales to Z only using something like TK which nobody scales to physically iirc.
He didn't use Tk, that was a misconception from the manga that was debunked in the anime. Why don't you listen to what I am saying instead of trying to sound smart, when what you are talking about is wrong. In the original manga everybody assumed TK because we didn't see yhwach actively lifting the country but in the anime we do. And we specifically see that it was his reaistu alone that did that, I legit tagged the scene of the anime to show that to you, I just haven't upgraded Aizen to class Z because I am working on upgrading other Ls feats higher than the class Z one, but even class T is enough.
What about Yammy?
what about him? Tatsuki was dying standing next to him and that was his passive reaistu, i.e he didn't actively use it on her like aizen would actively use it on grimjoww. That's why grimjoww who can stand in Aizen's presence normally, without being crushed originally but when aizen wants to crush him, he does easily. Surviving the passive aura of reaistu does not mean you scale to the person's LS when you are not surviving an Active output of reaitsu (something Aizen can do) and is not the same scale.
Wasn't Tatsuki resisting it for a while? What's her lifting strength?
Thats because Aizen puporsely LOWERED his spiritual pressure, the fact they can even feel it in the first place means the output is dropped. It's why we don't accept gin scaling to him because his reaitsu was lowered which also lowered his durability and the lifting force, thats why he didn't insta crush tatsuki when he wanted to physically kill her and the rest of ichigo's friends and hang their bodies in the outskirts of the town so ichigo would have a proper motivation to fight him. Unless you somehow genuinely believe tatsuki is stronger than fcking grimjoww. Don't even bring up this bad argument again.
There were also normal humans in the vicinity standing just fine, what's that about?
Because Aizen lowered his power to traumatise and troll them, he was taking his sweet time in chasing them, he didn't want to kill them immediately. They weren't exposed to the full output of Aizen of Aizen's reaistu so they don't scale. Tybw Aizen is a different case all together, he actively spams reaistu crush.
They only die when they have their souls absorbed from their bodies at the looks of it.
Her soul was being crushed from being near Yammy but she's still pushing herself up.
She was literally dying bruh, wtf are you talking about and that was passive reaistu, an active one would have killed her and yammy can't weaponize his reaistu offensively like Aizen especially in that nerfed state.
Sure she's more spiritually attuned than other humans, but we aren't gonna sit here and act like she has any notable LS feats. So what's up with that?
Because she doesn't have any notable LS feats? Because she herself was never exposed to the actual output of his power?. That was passive reaistu and she was about to die in both situations.
Maybe..just maybe this whole Reiatsu thing is completely overblown?
Or maybe you didn't understand how it works, judging from the mere examples you brought as a counter argument.
That isn't an argument. Are they accepted or not?
If they aren't then it's not applicable and therefore can't be used.
Then this match up should closed, while a CRT is made then. And I can just remake this match with updated info.
Gee idk, maybe update the profiles so they can be viable in versus matchups?
That is what I am doing ig? Not like this match up isn't even ass either way.
His first attack basically WAS Hakai since he flared his existence erasing aura straight at Granolah?
Hakai energy literally radiates from his entire body like constantly.
Hell, Aizen may not even survive an encounter with Vegeta just by being NEAR him.
They are 4KM apart not at meele range, Aizen out ranges him and vegeta would be the one placed in KS and killed before even vegeta does anything.
Should I remind you that Blue Vegeta's first move against Granolah was LITERALLY using Hakai to make extremely large explosions to get the drop off on him?
So when he see's a weaker Aizen, why they hell would he NOT Hakai him instantly and get it over with?
Because he doesn't fight against weaker opponents like this, that's the entire point. He won't use hakai as a starting move against a perceived 3B fodder, and thats even if he moves while Aizen pins him down with reaistu.
Especially in Ultra Ego where Vegeta genuinely has to revert to his old self to make use of the technique.
Vegeta just points and wins basically.
How would he move in the first place?
Aizen doesn't survive the first move even with KS, that doesn't just stop the aura.
Is he starting at ultra ego in this fight? You know what doesn't even matter he still class G in this form.
Multiple times.
The second time he transformed against Granolah he immediately went for a Hakai on him.
Like the second he transformed.
Still gets pinned down.
Cool.
Vegeta still erases by flexing as his first move.

Hado 90 is never getting used.
At best, it's getting shattered before ever completing.
Class G strength isn't bursting out of hado 90 lmao.
Anyways, Vegeta wins pretty easily imo.
I don't much care about this topic so I won't be responding anymore.
I don't as well tbh, but its clear you guys are being severely ignorant and thats why i am engaging in this thread to begin with
 
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It doesn't make sense for you to say that he suppressed his spiritual pressure.

Since Aizen himself, after saying that Arisawa is impressive, states that he intended to kill Ichigo's friends; he even goes so far as to unsheathe his Zanpakutou.
He is literally stated to do that, If Gin didn't scale to this aizen for damaging because his spiritual pressure was lowered then using tatsuki as a counter argument doesn't even make any sense.


Furthermore, Ichigo's friends were near Gin when he was killed by Aizen, meaning that even if you think he was suppressing his power, it would still be at least the reiatsu of a captain-level character, which would still easily kill Ichigo's friends (if reiatsu had LS).

Aizen can intentionally choose to pin you down or not, who is to say he stopped focusing on them and just focused on brutally killing gin and they ran away as well.
And it was Aizen after evolving again, so much so that some of Ichigo's friends even fainted for a few seconds before getting up normally even with Aizen still there.


The point is they doesn't scale to aizen LS for the same reason gin didn't scale scale to Aizen's AP.
 
I hope everyone knows the "Layers" for Bleach's Soul Hax, is Potency Based... So Vegeta which is... who knows... tens to hundreds of times above Baseline 2-C 3 Universes (via transformation multiplers) still would NOT be affected in the slightest.
All that, just to get dragged by a Class T pinning force and then obliterated with Hado 90.
 
So what can Aizen even do with Vegeta's Passive Existence/Space-Time & History Erasure? That's what I'm wondering
 
Y’all can’t read or something? No one is saying Aizen will resist that EE.

The entire argument is Vegeta can’t move to LS dif and Aizen’s Aura vastly outranges Vegeta.

KS will warp all of his sense including his sense of time. Hado 90 will pretty much 1 shot via deconstruction and space time manipulation at the atomic level unless I’m missing a resistance for Vegeta.
 
Y’all can’t read or something? No one is saying Aizen will resist that EE.

The entire argument is Vegeta can’t move to LS dif and Aizen’s Aura vastly outranges Vegeta.

KS will warp all of his sense including his sense of time. Hado 90 will pretty much 1 shot via deconstruction and space time manipulation at the atomic level unless I’m missing a resistance for Vegeta.
Vegeta does resist this lol ntm kyoka wont affect him cause layers
 
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