Very blatant revision about Yogurt.

[Nexus_still_slams]

As we can see on his profile, he has a speed rating of Peak Human (without any justification).

In the Instant Death after story, we have a character stating this :

And it's probably below average when it comes to physical fitness.

I already see the "but he's talking about a probability" argument coming.
But no — the character saying this has been following Yogiri ever since he arrived in the world of Instant Death, and has been recording and archiving everything he's done the whole time.
So the "probably" should actually be taken as a certainty, because he should know Yogiri very well.

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For Yogiri's true form intelligence, this should be added :

Possibly Mindless : The Ultimate God was questioning whether Yogiri even has any consciousness outside of his current human form.

Conclusion :

• Removal of "Peak Human" rating in Yogiri's speed.
• Adding Possibly Mindless to his true form intelligence.

Agree : ActuallySpaceMan42, DarkDragonMedeus, Reiner04 (Only with speed removal, disagree with intelligence rating)
Disagree :
Neutral :

 

[SweetDao]

Agree.

 

[KingNanaya]

I agree

 

[LiewtiStar]

Agree

 

[Rikimarox2]

Seems reasonable, the statement seems to come from a reliable source, so agree.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Agreed

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Yeah i agree, the scan checks out. No issues with removing Peak Human and adding Possibly Mindless.

 

[sukuna171]

I kinda agree with the peak human, but I disagree with the possibly mindless part.

 

[sukuna171]

I do not recall the current intelligence rating of his true form, but in my opinion, it should be classified as unknown

 

[Hjdjdhf]

Agree

 

[SweetDao]

I do not recall the current intelligence rating of his true form, but in my opinion, it should be classified as unknown

I mean, you can disagree if you wish, but if you have no scan to support your disagreement, it's not really doing much.

We don't have a lot of information regarding Yogiri's "true form" and the few information we have is from UG, even if it's just "possibly" it should be noted unless there is substantial evidence it's something else.

 

[sukuna171]

UG literally said he had no idea.

Spoiler

How did that happen? No clue. It’s been around since before I was born, so I know the events that happened, but I couldn’t tell you what it was thinking. Does it have any consciousness outside of its current human form? No idea, nor do I care to investigate

 

[SweetDao]

UG literally said he had no idea.

Spoiler

How did that happen? No clue. It’s been around since before I was born, so I know the events that happened, but I couldn’t tell you what it was thinking. Does it have any consciousness outside of its current human form? No idea, nor do I care to investigate

Yeah, but the information is there. It's not like a "law of the multiverse" would need to have a mind. Him saying "I don't know and I don't care" means the possibility is there, hence the possibly.

 

[sukuna171]

yeah, but that not enough proof it's mindless

 

[SweetDao]

yeah, but that not enough proof it's mindless

Hence the possibly.

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

UG literally said he had no idea.

Spoiler

How did that happen? No clue. It’s been around since before I was born, so I know the events that happened, but I couldn’t tell you what it was thinking. Does it have any consciousness outside of its current human form? No idea, nor do I care to investigate

That's why the proposal is "Possibly Mindless".

 

[sukuna171]

yea

That's why the proposal is"Possibly Mindless".

However, there is no evidence to suggest that it is mindless. UG has little to no understanding of its true form

 

[SweetDao]

yea

However, there is no evidence to suggest that it is mindless. UG has little to no understanding of its true form

If there was evidence, there would be a flat rating for mindless. The fact that he's one of the most knowledgeable about Yogiri, and that he even accept the possibility it's the case, is enough for a "possibly".

And frankly, the "true form" of Yogiri never acted on its own during the novel. Every time it was linked to Yogiri one way or another.

 

[sukuna171]

If there was evidence, there would be a flat rating for mindless. The fact that he's one of the most knowledgeable about Yogiri, and that he even accept the possibility it's the case, is enough for a "possibly".

And frankly, the "true form" of Yogiri never acted on its own during the novel. Every time it was linked to Yogiri one way or another.

It is the entity responsible for defining and regulating UEW.

 

[SweetDao]

It is the entity responsible for defining and regulating UEW.

*Regulating.

And that's just one of the rule of the UEW. It doesn't need to be "aware", just that it needs to do what it is supposed to do (regulate). It doesn't need a mind or anything to do so. That's like saying the law of gravity "has a mind", it doesn't make sense.

 

[sukuna171]

I see what you're saying, but I need more proof to get on board.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Seems straight foward.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

If you're gonna downgrade his speed due to being "below average" in physical fitness wouldn't you also have to downgrade this which has an actual feat/justification and also contradicts the thing of him being below average?

Athlete level physically (Yogiri is exceptionally athletic and was given martial arts training from Tomochika

 

[SweetDao]

If you're gonna downgrade his speed due to being "below average" in physical fitness wouldn't you also have to downgrade this which has an actual feat/justification and also contradicts the thing of him being below average?

First scan is kinda useless, I think, especially when the girl in front of him was just goofing around.

Second scan would be a good enough justification if it weren't for the UG statement which comes later down the line. Probably the author being dumb or retconning stuff.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Looks great, I agree with everything.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

First scan is kinda useless, I think, especially when the girl in front of him was just goofing around.

Second scan would be a good enough justification if it weren't for the UG statement which comes later down the line. Probably the author being dumb or retconning stuff.

So I assume stuff will just get downgraded to "Average Human" or whatever since he's still at least an unathletic high school boy (since him being "below average" in athletic ability wouldn't actually give him a below average rating).

 

[SweetDao]

So I assume stuff will just get downgraded to "Average Human" or whatever since he's still at least an unathletic high school boy (since him being "below average" in athletic ability wouldn't actually give him a below average rating).

He's said to be "build exactly like a human being". So him being "below average physical fitness" means below average what a normal human of his age can do. Doesn't mean he has the equivalent of a snail AP or whatever, but still on the lower side. Though checking the ratings, seems like he would fit in between below average and human level, so idk which would be accurate.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

So I assume stuff will just get downgraded to "Average Human" or whatever since he's still at least an unathletic high school boy (since him being "below average" in athletic ability wouldn't actually give him a below average rating).

I think this is relevant for the conversation at hand, it was added with my last stamina downgrade for Yogiri, but should also fit his physical ratings.

So now we have 2 different statements that he is "below average in physical capability."

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

I think this is relevant for the conversation at hand, it was added with my last stamina downgrade for Yogiri, but should also fit his physical ratings.

So now we have 2 different statements that he is "below average in physical capability."

I think this is the same statement, just a different translation.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I think this is relevant for the conversation at hand, it was added with my last stamina downgrade for Yogiri, but should also fit his physical ratings.

So now we have 2 different statements that he is "below average in physical capability."

Well he isn't physically disabled nor is he a small child so a below average rating doesn't really fit either.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Well he isn't physically disabled nor is he a small child so a below average rating doesn't really fit either.

Makes more sense to interpret the statement as him not being very physically fit in a sense he doesn't work out and not that he's as strong as a small child/physically disabled person

 

[SweetDao]

Makes more sense to interpret the statement as him not being very physically fit in a sense he doesn't work out and not that he's as strong as a small child/physically disabled person

Seems like he's in between both tbf. Like, lesser than human but obviously not him having childlike strength.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

I agree with the Peak Human speed downgrade.

But, I disagree with even a "possibly" mindless rating based on the scan in the OP. The scan doesn't support "Possibly Mindless." It explicitly says they have no idea and didn't even try to find out if Yogiri's true form has consciousness. That's pure ignorance from them, not evidence. The proper classification should just be "Unknown," not "Possibly Mindless."

That's it from me. Cya.

 

[SweetDao]

But, I disagree with even a "possibly" mindless rating based on the scan in the OP. The scan doesn't support "Possibly Mindless." It explicitly says they have no idea and didn't even try to find out if Yogiri's true form has consciousness. That's pure ignorance from them, not evidence. The proper classification should just be "Unknown," not "Possibly Mindless."

It would be "unknown, possibly mindless". Obviously it's not enough for a full rating or just a "only possibly mindless".

And like, even using reasonable logic, a "law of the verse" having some sort of consciousness is kinda an extrapolation without further evidence. Especially when none of the others were shown to have any (like the one protecting the gods, for example, they just act like they should act).

 

[Reiner04]

I agree with the Peak Human speed downgrade.

But, I disagree with even a "possibly" mindless rating based on the scan in the OP. The scan doesn't support "Possibly Mindless." It explicitly says they have no idea and didn't even try to find out if Yogiri's true form has consciousness. That's pure ignorance from them, not evidence. The proper classification should just be "Unknown," not "Possibly Mindless."

That's it from me. Cya.

Yeah. Share same sentiments.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah. Share same sentiments.

Just gonna state this, the new justification would be Unknown, possibly mindless

 

[sukuna171]

Just gonna state this, the new justification would be Unknown, possibly mindless

There's nothing I've seen that proves it could even possibly be mindless.

 

[Nexus_still_slams]

I agree with the Peak Human speed downgrade.

But, I disagree with even a "possibly" mindless rating based on the scan in the OP. The scan doesn't support "Possibly Mindless." It explicitly says they have no idea and didn't even try to find out if Yogiri's true form has consciousness. That's pure ignorance from them, not evidence. The proper classification should just be "Unknown," not "Possibly Mindless."

That's it from me. Cya.

The fact that UG doesn't know if Yogiri's true form has consciousness supports the “Possibly” (Although we'll leave the rating of unknown since ultimately he doesn't know), just bringing up the question should suffice for this rating.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

There's nothing I've seen that proves it could even possibly be mindless.

You have made that clear in this thread that that is what YOU think, but there are quite a few of us who think a "possibly mindless" rating is justified with the evidence provided.