VHD Nobles Rework

[Lightning_XXI]

Greetings

Today we have the second part of the VHD revisions, this time, about the Nobles and the Akashic Records, barely no AP will be touched here, and it's more about Hax

Noble Physiology

Currently our Noble Physiology (aswell as the rest of the profiles) are severely lacking in scans for some of their abilities, aswell as missing some important haxes.

New Noble Physiology Page in order to fix that

Noble Profiles

I reworked their powers and abilities section in order to add scans for their feats or to remove said feats in case no scan could be found, other nobles will receive the same treatment soon, I'm just focusing on more important profiles first, but everyone should have their scaling to whatever verson of D they fought, with an "At most", or a straight up rating depending on their battle

Noble Greylancer:

• Energy Projection and Absorption with his Lance (His signature lance can absorb energy from the Milky Way and fire at Greylancer's Targets, aswell as absorb energy based attacks fired at him)
• Resistance to Paralysis Inducement, Fear Manipulation (Mystical), Empathic Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) (Can resist the effects of D's Eldritch Aura that can strike fear into those around him. The fear that it strikes works on both humans and average vampires. His aura can induce Paralysis, or be used to calm people's emotions. Further more his looks are capable of attracting men and women alike, making others hallucinate they are being drawing into his eyes, his aura should also be able to affect the Fountain of Life, just like the other Nobility)
• Resistance to Empathic Manipulation (Love Inducing) and Perception Manipulation (Proprioception and Vision Manipulation) (Aside from D's Aura, Greylancer can also look at D's face without any effects, even while weakened and uncounscious, D's face is able to make a man completely calm down and forget the pain his own wounds. Further more his looks are capable of attracting men and women alike, making others hallucinate they are being drawing into his eyes)

Sacred Ancestor:

• All the powers of the Nobility
• All innate powers of D
• Abstract Existence (Type 1) and possibly Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1 and 4; Exists as the will of the Night, and is heavily implied throughout the novels to be an omnipresent Eldritch deity on the level of The Elder God)
• BFR (Banished D to another dimension)
• Incorporeality and Darkness Manipulation (The Sacred Ancestor always appears as darkness, with his mere presence giving off the intensity of a blackhole. The infinitely compacted Darkness, can crush anyone's psyche. Furthermore, D who could hit abstract dreams, non-corporeals, and non existents, was unable to affect the ancestor, resorting to forcing him into a physical form so his attacks could reach him)
• Soul Manipulation (Soul Destruction) (Can easily turn souls into dust)
• Death Manipulation (Could kill D by simply touching him, despite D being resistant to such type of attack)
• Magma Manipulation and Absolute Zero (His Assault/Protection unit which covered D in blazing hot Magma and then freeze him to Absolute Zero)
• Akashic Records Manipulation: Able to rewrite the Akashic Records
• All resistances of the Nobility
• All innate resistances of D

Lawrence Valcua got a blog for his new version

Akashic Records

Currently, the Akashic Records page severely lacks scans aswell, so I remade its abilities list based on the scans I managed to find:

• Information Manipulation (Types 1 and 2), Clairvoyance, Precognition, Retrocognition and Information Analysis (The ether contains all information from past, present and future. Rewriting the records changes the history of the Universe)
• Fate Manipulation (The words of the Records are Fate itself. The user of the Akashic Records can manipulate the ether to decide the actions of other and make them their fate)
• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1. Above the Fount of Life, able to rewrite deaths done by cutting the Fount of Life)
• Reality Warping and Causality Manipulation (D, when manipulating the Records, rewrote the entire events of Tyrant Stars in order to give his client a happy life. The leaking of the ether can warp the entire universe. The user can avoid Death by simply erasing its event from the records)
• Existence Erasure (Space-Time, History, Memory & Information Type 2) and Space-Time Manipulation (Erasing parts of the Records can erase space-time and even the whole universe. Erased Kima from history across past, present and future to the point nobody remembered him)
• Higher-Dimensional Existence (5-D. Akashic Records is a transcendental realm beyond all of Creation in Vampire Hunter D)
• Power Bestowal, Power Mimicry and Power Nullification (The Records contain all powers of the Universe and can bestow said powers to its users, as well as negate attacks made of energy)
• Pain Manipulation (The Akashic Records can allow the users to induce pain on others as seen when Lefty felt immense pain with just a glare from Valcua)
• Void Manipulation and Physics Manipulation (Holds control over the "Nothingness", which erases any mathematical construct and don't allow them to exist)
• Dream Manipulation, Law Manipulation and Subjective Reality (Can be used by the ruler to appear and manipulate people's dreams, which are worlds with their own laws. Reality and Dream can be interchangeable despite the difference in their nature)

As agreed at the previous thread, D should resist to only the effects he directly tanked from the Akashic Records. He can interact with the ether in order to be able to change the records, therefore, he should also resist:

• Existence Erasure (Space-Time, History, Memory & Information Type 2) and Space-Time Manipulation (5D)

 

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Your input here would be appreciated.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Will definitely take a look at this, but can't give an evaluation right now

 

[Vietthai96]

First glance and i already saw some issues

• Abstract Existence (Type 1) and possibly Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2; Exists as the will of the Night, and is heavily implied throughout the novels to be an omnipresent Eldritch deity on the level of The Elder God)

NEP2 should be removed, not only it is remain of the outdated profile with the old standard, but also the scan said nothing about SA being nonexistent in the first place, let alone NEP type 2

AE1 could be fine due to being the Will itself, but i found the statement sound like a metaphor/flowery than literal so i'm neutral, leaning toward disagree with AE1 for now

• Higher-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Akashic Records is a transcendental realm beyond all of Creation in Vampire Hunter D)

HDE Type 1???

 

[Lightning_XXI]

First glance and i already saw some issues

Problem with cooking stuff for way too many time is mixing or forgetting some new standards oof

NEP2 should be removed, not only it is remain of the outdated profile with the old standard, but also the scan said nothing about SA being nonexistent in the first place, let alone NEP type 2

Absolutely, yeah

Thing is, I didn't added here directly because I wanted to give Sacred Ancestor extra explanations, but he scales to D's own NEP Types 1 and 4, specially 4, it would've been added to his profile once I add the additions

AE1 could be fine due to being the Will itself, but i found the statement sound like a metaphor/flowery than literal so i'm neutral, leaning toward disagree with AE1 for now

I can put at Possibly or Likely if it sounds more accurate to be a little bit more conservative about this one, VHD doesn't tend to be flowery and deals with esoteric abilities in a very straightforward way, so I believe we shouldn't just discard the statement

HDE Type 1???

lol it was a different ability, I changed everything but the Type 1 stood there, I fixed

 

[Vietthai96]

I can put at Possibly or Likely if it sounds more accurate to be a little bit more conservative about this one

Like/Possibility is oke then, but where did the verse implied him to be omnipresent?

Thing is, I didn't added here directly because I wanted to give Sacred Ancestor extra explanations, but he scales to D's own NEP Types 1 and 4, specially 4, it would've been added to his profile once I add the additions

To be fair, i still have problem with D's NEP because his NEP make no sense, having lack soul or information do not suddenly make you nonexistent, you can still exist while lack some aspects necessary for existence. At best i could see him as NEP3 but it is kinda a stretch to me, though this isn't the place for D's NEP revision so just put me as disagree entirely for NEP

lol it was a different ability, I changed everything but the Type 1 stood there, I fixed

Not really mandatory but probably should put Dimensionality level on HDE for indexing purpose i guess, in case it is Higher-Dimensional Existence (5-D)

Will evaluate other abilities later

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Like/Possibility is oke then, but where did the verse implied him to be omnipresent?

Sacred Ancestor is stated to be everywhere

And his main enemy and "equal" is also on the same level of existence

To be fair, i still have problem with D's NEP because his NEP make no sense, having lack soul or information do not suddenly make you nonexistent, you can still exist while lack some aspects necessary for existence. At best i could see him as NEP3 but it is kinda a stretch to me, though this isn't the place for D's NEP revision so just put me as disagree entirely for NEP

Wouldn't D's case be aspects 1 and 4 ? It is quite directly the absence of Soul and Information and I just realized I used Type instead of Aspect

Not really mandatory but probably should put Dimensionality level on HDE for indexing purpose i guess, in case it is Higher-Dimensional Existence (5-D)

Done! Thanks

 

[Vietthai96]

Sacred Ancestor is stated to be everywhere

And his main enemy and "equal" is also on the same level of existence

Damn, the old profile disease, which is no scan i guess, anyway the scan look fine, though you should add it to the profile

Wouldn't D's case be aspects 1 and 4 ? It is quite directly the absence of Soul and Information and I just realized I used Type instead of Aspect

If he is nonexistent then those things will be aspects yeah, but he need to be nonexistent first, which i don't remember he is, unless there are some scans i didn't know, but i also didn't see them in the thread that revise D profile

 

[RM97]

Won't comment on anything else bc I'm working on a revision myself but theres an entire thread done a couple of years where Glassman agreed with Limited NEP (Nature Type 2 & 3, Aspects 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5)
It wasn't at all applied (just like Sacred Ancestor's Low 1-C Rating as the Chaos itself)

Edit: The agreed rating is for D himself. Regarding SA, the NEP feats are much more blatant but never argued. So I'll have to make a revision for his page too.

 

[Hypertornado099]

That justification for AE type 1 isn't sufficient, being called the will of the night doesn't have much meaning

 

[Imaginym]

I am not familiar with this verse, & I don't work with higher dimensional stuff. The justifications read like they make sense, but if there are any points of contention I can help with, maybe bring them up to me, I guess & I'll see if I can help?
Furthermore, what Vietthai96 said seems reasonable, & what RM97 brought up seems worth considering.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

References are mandatory:

Always include the References section in character pages, explanation pages, information blogs, and verse-specific powers and abilities pages to source all the important information covered within them.

So you need to include the novel and chapter number (at least) for everything in that blog and OP.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

References are mandatory:

So you need to include the novel and chapter number (at least) for everything in that blog and OP.

Adding references for VHD is on my list, the entire verse, aside from D himself, was lacking in both scans and refs, they will be added alongside this revision, they are missing here basically because I plan on adding all of them at once

If he is nonexistent then those things will be aspects yeah, but he need to be nonexistent first, which i don't remember he is, unless there are some scans i didn't know, but i also didn't see them in the thread that revise D profile

I see

Well, D himself is surely "existent", so him missing Soul and Information could actually just give him further resistances/immunity against those abilities, same going for Sacred Ancestor

Hows that sound ?

Won't comment on anything else bc I'm working on a revision myself but theres an entire thread done a couple of years where Glassman agreed with Limited NEP (Nature Type 2 & 3, Aspects 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5)
It wasn't at all applied (just like Sacred Ancestor's Low 1-C Rating as the Chaos itself)

Edit: The agreed rating is for D himself. Regarding SA, the NEP feats are much more blatant but never argued. So I'll have to make a revision for his page too.

It's unfortunate that thread wasn't added, but if you're planning on making a revision, you could add those topics again since it's a rather old thread and the overall consensus and even some standards may have changed

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, D himself is surely "existent", so him missing Soul and Information could actually just give him further resistances/immunity against those abilities, same going for Sacred Ancestor

Hows that sound ?

It is fine, well within standard

 

[RM97]

It's unfortunate that thread wasn't added, but if you're planning on making a revision, you could add those topics again since it's a rather old thread and the overall consensus and even some standards may have changed

I don't remember any standards being changed for NEP within the past 2 year. But if it has, then I'll have to argue for 5 more pages again lol. Honestly, I'll have to redo the entire page from scratch given how it lacks bunch of haxes as well as important stuff like citations, layerings, etc.

 

[Vietthai96]

Standard is still the same though, there are just some evalulation issues in the past thread, that thread was a mess, ngl

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Apologies for taking so long, Castlevania Nocturne revisions happened

I'll be adding the accepted changes, thanks for the replies

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Apologies for taking so long, Castlevania Nocturne revisions happened

I'll be adding the accepted changes, thanks for the replies

You need 3 staff votes here. You have gotten only 2.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

You need 3 staff votes here. You have gotten only 2.

Oh, I forgot it needed 3

I asked for more evaluation

 

[Theglassman12]

I share more or less the same thoughts as Vietthai

 

[Vietthai96]

i still have yet to evaluate other abilities

Anyway, will come back tomorrow, it is midnight in my country

 

[Theglassman12]

@Vietthai96 There’s no Anime Manipulation on this thread so tough luck trying to evaluate the rest.

 

[Theglassman12]

Aside from the NEP, AE and HDE stuff since I more or less share the same thoughts as Vietthai, I'll go through the other stuff.

Noble Physiology

For Enhanced Senses, you should probably elaborate on the types of senses that they have since you're listing off feats of Night Vision and Telescopic vision, the arguments itself is fine.

Mind, Soul and Power bestowal is fine, though I'm a little lost with Corruption type 1 and 2 since none of the scans mention anything about actual corruption. Biological hax could help with getting another scan there.

Need a scan for sleep inducement staring

Probably for the best that you'd combine Telepathy and Telekinesis into one small section since they're just using the same scan.

I'd probably list the Poison resistance as limited since they are affected somewhat, but they can just not die from it in general.

Not sure if the kiss of nobility scan would help for the arguments of resisting their basic abilities given it mentioned they'll die, but any general scans of nobles being able to fight each other for some time is efficient given some of their abilities is passive in nature.

Sacred Ancestor:

Incorporeality and darkness manipulation, I think you reposted the same link for the will of the night Abstract Existence. Did you meant to post something else?

Everything else looks fine.