Victini vs Robloxian

[The_real_cal_howard]

I dunno. Just felt like it. Speed equal and starts at maximum distance apart.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

I vote for the Cancer

Because... Mind Control, Soul Manipulation, BFR, OHKO, Transmutation and Petrification,

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

But...Probability.

 

[Imaginym]

(If you want the TL;DR version: Victini has flight, invisibility, pyrokinesis, & several other likely relevant abilities; TR may not know Victini is there before it gets attacked, & Victini outclasses it in AP, Durability & Range. Also, as I detail below, most of TR's hax of the types of Anonimoe7875 mentioned are with weapons that TR needs to hit Victini with to actually hax, besides actually bringing the right equipment & probability manipulation not screwing over TR to ensure Victini's victory. There are some that could provide a good chance of winning... but Victini can still OHKO the Robloxian from well out of their range & kill TR first. Also, weak telekinetic force via Confusion to remove TR's head from its torso for insta-kill & probability manipulation, & Victini being stated to always win & all....)


Probability may matter here. Besides that I'm not sure about the specifics of some of the hax, a lot of the Robloxian's hax & stats are dependent on gear. While the standard equipment is the Catalog Gear do any of the things the Robloxian have have a chance to fail?

It's possible Victini's probability manipulation, in the interest of making Victini's chances of victory greater, could cause such gear failures for the Robloxian.

Unfortunately though, this may not work for just any Victini, because....

Black	This Pokémon brings victory. It is said that Trainers with Victini always win, regardless of the type of encounter.

The entries about always winning? They specifically say Trainers with Victini. Anyway, what about a more defined way of winning? The Robloxian instantly dies if their head is removed from their body. While Victini doesn't have telekinesis listed on its profile -disappointing as that is for a Psychic-type- one of its level-up moves IS Confusion, the description for which is:

XYORAS SM

The target is hit by a weak telekinetic force. This may also confuse the target.

So that's SOME form of telekinesis. I'd think it would be enough to remove the Robloxian's head.

And yes, Victini probably has the power to do it. Besides that it creates infinite energy in its body, Victini's AP rating is:

Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level, (Should be comparable to Moltres's casual feat), likely far higher (Stated to possess infinite energy)

The Robloxian's durability rating is:

Durability: Small City level+ (Is only knocked around by Lincoln's Golden Railsplitter). City level with gigantoform and other durability boosting gear (Can endure attacks that would otherwise instakill normal Robloxians), Likely higher, Respawn via spawn pads makes them hard to kill


Both can go higher, but the Robloxian is "Likely higher" because respawning, dependent on spawn pads; Without it, its durability caps at City Level when it's gigantic &/or has other Durability increases. Victini has infinite energy. It can kill them at least once.

Admittedly, if killing them once isn't enough for a technical victory, if we involve respawning then the Robloxian might be able to come back with better gear. I don't know. I don't follow the setting.


As for the mind control, The Robloxian's profile lists it as coming from Make It Rai & Stop Hitting Yourself . For the former, it makes money/"ROBUX" fall from the sky, making people follow the user after a few seconds. Aside from initial confusion maybe catching it off guard, I don't see why following & cheering will stop Victini wanting to kill its opponent, nor from using psychic or flame-manipulaitng abilities.

The latter involves clicking on the target & firing a beam. Even if we assume the Robloxian DOESN'T have to target Victini -which has invisibility & telepathy- I'm not certain it's a laser, so what's to stop it dodging?

Crescendo 's Soul Manipulation would be a massive pain if it's among the equipment, due to homing, phasing projectiles that increase in speed & reap the soul upon contact. Victini's best option would be to destroy it/kill the user before it gets used.

The other soul manipulation is less of a pain, due to being melee weapons & a projectile weapon that needs to HIT the invisible, flying, pyrokinetic, psychokinetic, telepathic probability manipulator.

The BFR, excluding Azure Dragon's Magic Slayer , needs to hit Victini, & even that only BFRs via a charged attack that opens a portal for 15 seconds that sucks in objects & players has a cooldown of 25 seconds; If Victini can stay out of the portal's range, it can likely counter.

The Ban Hammer is also BFR, but I'm uncertain if it needs contact. Its own page says: "by double clicking, can send players far distances, typically lethal by sending the victim off the map if the hammer is used on a small map."

It's also not normally obtainable unless the Robloxian has been a mod or staff member; Exceptions were made for 3 who fixed it.

The OHKO Axe of Undoing also needs to hit Victini to work.

The Fermion Blade is questionable against a pyrokinetic Fire-type, especially since Fire-types can't be burned. Quoting its own page: "Should the opponent be on fire and their current health is below 30, they will explode, instantly killing them and any nearby players, including the user who activated the instakill explosion."

So Victini needs to be on fire -presumably being harmed by it, which is of questionable possibility- AND low on health. I'm unsure if it requires a hit or triggers instantly.

Transmutation. WotAL: Frog Transformer IS an instant win if it hits, since it turns the victim into a no-abilities, no-equipment frog... but it requires that Victini get hit by the green pillars. Other than Victini being caught off guard, I don't see how this will happen; If Victini is using its invisibility, flight & telepathy, aiming at & hitting it is difficult.

Its own page also mentions: The opponent would lose the current tool while transforming, which this effect lasts for a couple seconds.

If the transformation undoes itself after a couple of seconds, The Robloxian will need to have another weapon or means of offense ready if this works, if it wants to kill Victini.

Petrification: The Medusa Head can petrify nearby opponents for six seconds, causing them to be incapable of attacking or moving. Contradictory to how the Medusa's head is expected to work, it affects all entities in a radius rather than petrifying them upon eye contact.

Again, a temporary effect, but probably more exploitable than the frog transformer.


Bottom line: Victini outclasses the Robloxian in range, base AP AND Durability with its stats & infinite energy, & much of The Robloxian's hax is dependent on weapons & gears, which it'll presumably arrive with a limited set of.

Weapons also requiring a right arm presumably means it only uses 1 at a time, too.

Add on a weakness of dying instantly if head or torso is separated, Victini having "a weak telekinetic force" via Confusion, Victini's infinite energy, & ability to create huge fires & Victini is plenty able to hit & one shot the Robloxian; Their "likely higher" durability is from Respawning vias Respawn pads & Victini's base AP & "likely far higher" for said AP easily overcome said durability.


Meanwhile, unless it shows up with one of the few weapons that will employ the aforementioned hax well enough to beat Victini, many of the Robloxian's hax equipment requires actually hitting Victini to work.

You know, the invisible, flying, probability manipulating, pyrokinetic, telepathic psychic?

The Robloxian's best chances lay with Crescendo (Homing, phasing, soul-reaping projectiles.), Azure Dragon's Magic Slayer (Charged attack makes a 15 second portal that sucks things in, then has a 25 second cooldown.), WotAL: Frog Transformer (It depends on Victini not evading the green pillars, which it likely can do & the Robloxian killing Victini before it reverts after a few seconds.) & Medusa Head which is also temporary, but has a radius.


Lastly, range: The Robloxian's is "Range: Several Meters, Likely hundreds of meters with various ranged weaponry." Victini's is kilometers. It likely has better mobility, invisibility, & it can probably one-shot the Robloxian from further away than they can hit it.


I only went into detail on the hax Anonimoe7875 mentioned, & only for the items listed on The Robloxian's profile, & I don't know how the gear/weapons system works exactly for The Robloxian, but I assume it's limited enough that The Robloxian doesn't have all the weapons for those aforementioned haxes active all at once, & there's some opportunity cost to switching in a fight that a skilled opponent could capitalize on.

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

(insert long reply).

The small amount of items on the profile doesn't mean it's all he's bringing into the fight. Usually, when people make VSthreads that do not state that the Robloxian is using a limited arsenal or anything like that (Which would have to list all the gear he/she could use), then he has access to the hundreds of gear in his arsenal.

The Robloxian's telekinesis via move tool can be used to drag Victini super close to him, which would be able to nullify the insane range.

The azure dragon's magic slayer can trap projectiles within its radius, acting like a barrier of sorts. This would probably hinder most of victini's moves, excluding telekinesis.

Talking about telekinesis, technically, the only real way to blow off a Robloxian's limb is to hit it with an attack that would otherwise one-shot it normally, though, this can be inconsistent at times. This usually results in something ranging from a sniper bullet being able to kill it normally by hitting its arm, to explosions (City level+ ones) removing the Robloxian's affected limb. Considering this, if any ranged attack only hits his legs/left arm, he would still be able to technically fight, only being a tiny bit harder to hit.

Victini does have invisibility and flight, yes, but the Robloxian has both of those covered, alongside ways to counter them:

Noir Periastron Psi grants invisibility to the user whilst making the entire 'place' (Unknown size) around them dark, blinding most opponents to allow for a sneak attack. The user can also use other gear while the entire world is dark (and while they are invisible).

Flight, well, alot of gear have it. Simple enough.

Telamonster, the Chaos Edge, can immobilize flight users temporarily and remove their ability to fly, making them incapable of doing so again. This would effectively eliminate Victini's flight if the Robloxian apparently cannot manage to hax him to death within the timespan.

Edit: whoops, forgot the invisibility counter.

The Bloxxy Radar would be able to reveal victini's position within 300 studs, however, this would likely only work if Victini intends to get close by.

Also, I'm not sure what telepathy - the ability to share thoughts and the like with another entity - would deal to the Robloxian


Just to note, the Robloxian would probably be able to place a spawn pad right at the start of the match, not sure how that would work out.

 

[Imaginym]

Is there a known size or carrying capacity to the Robloxian's inventory?

How many weapons can the Robloxian actively use simeultaneously?

How is the Robloxian to know which of its equipment to use when it may not be aware of its opponent or their capabilities?

How is the Robloxian to know to use telekinesis on an opponent it may not be able to see? Or use it on something it can't see to begin with? Especially if it can get out of range to attack anyway?

What if Victini, with its superior AP & natural Psychic-type overpowers the Robloxian's telekinesis, or it isn't in range to begin with, or he fails to actually "select" Victini with the move tool?

Why ISN'T Telekinesis -such as psychically pulling off TR's head- not a valid way of severing it to begin with?

And Victini should one shot it to begin with, with its "Mountain Level, likely far higher AP". Infinite energy & all.

Can fire or electricity or energy illuminate the darkness created by Noir Periastron PSI? And what's to say Victini's Probability Manipulation & passive Accuracy Amplification won't just ensure it will hit in the first place in spite of NPPSI? & possibly other defensive measures; (Trainers with) Victini are said to "always win" & it has Victory Star amping its Acc.


On flight removal:

"Gravity Manipulation: Telamonster, the Chaos Edge, is able to kill opponents via physical strikes, or encasing them in vines (Both attacks being able to singe opponents). One of its abilities is to trap nearby flying opponents in vines, causing them to lose their ability to fly, alongside burning them."

What's to say Victini can't destroy or evade the gravity manipulating vines? Or for that matter, its attacks destroying the Robloxian's current gear, weapons, spawn pads, etc? Are they made of indestructible materials?

And yes, Azure can suck in projectiles, but I question how much of Victini attacks , not only its telekinesis, but its pyrokinesis, Azure could actually keep at bay, especially if cooldown kicks in.

BWB2W2

The user attacks by engulfing the target in an intense fire. It leaves the target with a burn.

BWB2W2

An inferno of scarlet flames torches everything around the user. It may leave the target with a burn.

And yes, if the Robloxian's hax lands, it could stand a good chance to win. But the Robloxian isn't necessarily entirely knowledgeable about its opponent & the path to victory, is it?

Victini however, can one-shot it through sheer stats alone, & doesn't need to know beforehand or figure out what sort of offense will work best here, because it's AP & range easily let it one shot The Robloxian here; It has the range, & a single good attack from a Mountain Level character with infinite energy behind its attacks will kill TR, & unless their equipment is explicitly indestructible & not as a result of game mechanics, I don't see why that wouldn't be annihilated too.

If they go in not knowing about each other's capabilities, most of the time, a simple strong offense from Victini can overcome most of the gearsets an unprepared opponent will have brung, & maybe some of the somewhat more prepared sets via sheer difference in power, too.

The way I see it, before The Robloxian is dead before it knows how to hax Victini to death in most cases, because it's outclassed in range & AP, & without HAVING AND USING the right gear, isn't flying or invisible, too.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So, what about probability? I kinda made this match on the whole point of one major hax ability vs a bunch of little but powerful hax abilities.

 

[Imaginym]

So, what about probability? I kinda made this match on the whole point of one major hax ability vs a bunch of little but powerful hax abilities.

Victini has at the very least a passive accuracy increase, & if it is fated to win -given how it's said it always wins- then we know at the very least it's probably going to hit its opponent a lot or all of the time. And with infinite energy, it will hit like infinite trucks.

Without knowing about its superior ranged, superior APed, invisible, probability manipulating opponent, for all the gear The Robloxian has, I doubt it would know about Victini enough to use the proper stuff to prevent itself from getting obliterated before it can figure out which hax to use or defend itself.

And they shouldn't know about each other; Standard Battle Assumptions . Knowledge of the other character/verse: The fighters will have absolutely no prior knowledge of each other.


But that doesn't mean a telepath seeing an armed opponent wouldn't be ready to battle, & can likely figure out an armed opponent is probably hostile. It doesn't take much trial & error on Victini's part to know that fire will kill most unprepared humanoids who don't even see or know about you.

 

[GameHearo266]

I'll side with Victini for the reasons above. Plus not only can it turn invisible and fly Victini is pretty small to begin with making targetting it even more difficult.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Just gonna ask, isn't Victini quite literally the concept of Victory?

 

[Imaginym]

Just gonna ask, isn't Victini quite literally the concept of Victory?

The Pokedex classifies it as the Victory Pokemon, & while we consider it a reliable source of information within the setting, we usually don't use titles as the basis of things. Its Pokedex entries do say, though, that "It is said that trainers with Victini always win, regardless of the type of encounter."

It is also said to have infinite energy, which it creates & can share.

Whether or not it's a concept Pokemon like Sinnoh's "Pixie trio" (Azelf, Uxie & Mesprit.) is less certain.

 

[NeoZex6399]

Victini for above reasons.

In addition Victini could also have Lucky Manipulation and possibly Destiny Manipulation since in the games it is mentioned that Victini as gratefulness to the small entrepreneur who protected him and gave him a home gave him a lot of luck, thanks to this the entrepreneur became rich and fund several multinationals And an art gallery in Castelia City.

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

Changing my vote to Victini for the reasons above.

 

[NeoZex6399]

@Kukui

What is your vote?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

My bad. Going with Victini now too for same reasons.

 

[NeoZex6399]

bump.

 

[FDrybob]

Victini since he would win the vast majority of the time due to his AP advantage and small size.

 

[fandom_1964Mustang]

it depends the server mechanics, pokemon brick bronze? probably, PVP? not really,