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Wait, how has this match not been done already? (John Wick vs Agent 47)

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Wassup people, it's Crab here with my customary one single VS thread per calendar year.

Fairly simple. Agent 47 vs John Wick. Speed equalized, standard equipment, nothing above 9-B though. No prep time, but they're aware of each-other's reputation. Battle takes place on the Burj Khalifa because I want to see big things get wrecked. They start a dozen meters apart, but there is cover in the form of furniture and the like.

Mistere Wicke: 4 (LordGinSama, Doggo, Silvervigilant, Recon1511)

Shaved Heisenberg with no meth: 5 (DaReaperMan, Sir Ovens, Artorimachi Meteoraft, Stillwinston, CrackerVolley)

Inconclusive:
 
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I'll comment with an in depth analysis later, just want to hear whatever arguments 47 has since he's one of those characters who's skill I believe to be somewhat extrapolated.
 
Bump (also yes Gin, I have watched Chapter 4. In fact, it was the first John Wick film I've seen)
 
47 has about a 2x AP advantage, Stealth capabilities that would make Purple-colored Orks blush, an LS advantage, and deadlier weaponry.

Straight up skill and stamina is probably comparable(Though the ladder is arguably in 47's favor), admittedly, but when 47 has pretty much every other advantage that matters it turns an even match to one in 47's favor, Wick can win, but not over 50% of the time.

I'd say 47 takes it mid or mid-high diff, a simple fight with a simple conclusion
 
DaReaperMan said:
47 has about a 2x AP advantage
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Only in terms of physical strength, Wick's weapons pack a hell of a bigger punch than anything 47 has to offer. In terms of fire-arm's John would have the advantage there, normal pistols in John Wick are capable of piercing steel beams. Shotgun's that can easily pulverize High Table armor which are immune to the aforementioned pistols and even more impressive, being able to stop fully automatical fire-arm's like they were nothing.
DaReaperMan said:
Stealth capabilities that would make Purple-colored Orks blush.
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I have no idea what this means but John himself is capable of evading the senses of other skilled Assassins such as Zero.
DaReaperMan said:
an LS advantage
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Kinda countered by John being the significantly better grappler, amonst him being able to disarm without utilizing LS (Strikes to the wrist for example.), and the fact that Wick won't grapple like this is MMA. All he needs is a brief opening and boom, headshot. And as far as i'm aware John is the only one out of the two combatants here that can use gun's from extreme, and I mean extreme melee range.



Think of what Soild Snake from Metal Gear can do. That's essentially what Wick does, it's apart of his entire fighting style.
DaReaperMan said:
and deadlier weaponry.
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Only the case for explosives and the sonic device, outside of that John's weapons are typically better especially the aforementioned shotgun.
DaReaperMan said:
Straight up skill and stamina is probably comparable(Though the ladder is arguably in 47's favor)
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John is definitely the better hand to hand combatant, 47 doesn't really have the types of feats that we've seen John do on screen when it comes to CQC.


Skill is comparable but i don't think 47 has the crazy type of Gun-Fu feats that Wick does.


John is absolutely destroying 47 in terms of stamina, that shouldn't even be a question. Wick went through all of the shit that went down in the last 4 movies back to back, has better endurance feats, etc.
DaReaperMan said:
admittedly, but when 47 has pretty much every other advantage that matters it turns an even match to one in 47's favor, Wick can win, but not over 50% of the time.
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I'd have to disagree there.
 
So for a legitimate analysis:

John has the advantage in deadlier weaponry, greater stamina, and overall skill in combat. However, 47 is a master in one area of expertise that I think gives him the win in this fight; that being stealth.

47 was genetically engineered to be unrecognisable by people in general. Many of 47's targets have gone on stating he has a face that you'd forget if you look away. The only person in recent memory that even recognised who he was was a retired CIA agent that vaguely knew his MO and specialised specifically in tracking people down.

The moment 47 slips away, John isn't going to be able to trace him. And as we've seen in the movies, John isn't above getting caught off guard. From there, 47 has an enormous advantage via having equipment specifically meant for taking out targets unaware of his presence. Proximity activated explosives, tasers, discombobulators, flashbangs, poison darts, etc. Worse still if 47 decides to use the rubber duck since John would have absolutely no idea what it is.
 
LordGinSama said:
Only in terms of physical strength, Wick's weapons pack a hell of a bigger punch than anything 47 has to offer. In terms of fire-arm's John would have the advantage there, normal pistols in John Wick are capable of piercing steel beams. Shotgun's that can easily pulverize High Table armor which are immune to the aforementioned pistols and even more impressive, being able to stop fully automatical fire-arm's like they were nothing.

I have no idea what this means but John himself is capable of evading the senses of other skilled Assassins such as Zero.

Kinda countered by John being the significantly better grappler, amonst him being able to disarm without utilizing LS (Strikes to the wrist for example.), and the fact that Wick won't grapple like this is MMA. All he needs is a brief opening and boom, headshot. And as far as i'm aware John is the only one out of the two combatants here that can use gun's from extreme, and I mean extreme melee range.



Think of what Soild Snake from Metal Gear can do. That's essentially what Wick does, it's apart of his entire fighting style.

Only the case for explosives and the sonic device, outside of that John's weapons are typically better especially the aforementioned shotgun.

John is definitely the better hand to hand combatant, 47 doesn't really have the types of feats that we've seen John do on screen when it comes to CQC.


Skill is comparable but i don't think 47 has the crazy type of Gun-Fu feats that Wick does.


John is absolutely destroying 47 in terms of stamina, that shouldn't even be a question. Wick went through all of the shit that went down in the last 4 movies back to back, has better endurance feats, etc.

I'd have to disagree there.
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47's guns do the same thing so Dere lol

Adding onto what ovens said, some of the missions in the more recent trilogy of Hitman games which can be done by not being noticed once has some of the most heavily guarded areas you've ever seen and having guards flooding into your way out of the place for a mission, and you can still do it without being noticed whatsoever. Also you never see a Purple Ork in 40K cause it's the "Sneaky" color for Orks.

That's cool but I'm like 99% sure 47 has a statement similar to Batman in the whole "Has mastered all martial arts" bullshit, I could be wrong on that though(My memory is a wee foggy), and even then, assuming 47 doesn't just kill Wick the millisecond he has an opening to do so from Stealth, he's going to be disarming Wick immediately if he has any weapon at all.

The other way you can do Hitman missions is the... direct approach. Significantly harder, but doable. It's fun to do that, admittedly but I SINCERELY doubt it's the Canon way of doing things for 47

Wick shows pain and shit. 47 often times does not. Simple.
 
Also I'm just now remembering 47 can legitimately just throw a car battery at John's feet if the floor is wet and kill John via electrocution. Which is hilarious.
 
Anyone wanna remind me how good 47's actual stealth feats are with clips? The last time I played a Hitman game was on the 360.


For instance, as good as 47's stealth is I doubt it's enough to make himself completely invisible to someone literally dozens of meters away in a open room whenever both are fully aware of one another.


Here's John's most prominent feat of stealth, being able to sneak up and evade Zero. Zero being the same guy who can stealthily kill an entire building of Assassins who train since childhood. (I'd provide the clip but unfortunately YouTube doesn't have any available due to obvious reasons.)



Sir_Ovens said:
And as we've seen in the movies, John isn't above getting caught off guard.
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John has no reasons to be caught off guard in a 1v1 where he knows about his opponents reputation.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Also I'm just now remembering 47 can legitimately just throw a car battery at John's feet if the floor is wet and kill John via electrocution. Which is hilarious.
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John would probably shoot it mid-air, shotgun's got some good AoE after all especially Dragon's Breath.
 
LordGinSama said:
Anyone wanna remind me how good 47's actual stealth feats are with clips? The last time I played a Hitman game was on the 360.


For instance, as good as 47's stealth is I doubt it's enough to make himself completely invisible to someone literally dozens of meters away in a open room whenever both are fully aware of one another.


Here's John's most prominent feat of stealth, being able to sneak up and evade Zero. Zero being the same guy who can stealthily kill an entire building of Assassins who train since childhood. (I'd provide the clip but unfortunately YouTube doesn't have any available due to obvious reasons.)




John has no reasons to be caught off guard in a 1v1 where he knows about his opponents reputation.
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Here's a Playlist of the first game done Silent Assassin, I'm lazy

But basically doing missions without being spotted at all. I might be thinking of Second game though so there's that, basically where you have to destroy a sample of what's essentially murder juice that can target one guy via dna and spreading
 
Also 47 is somewhat comparable to a guy in stealth who can break into a global superpower's main bank of info, with cameras and guards littered literally everywhere, and break into the ******* bank without leaving a trace except for within the vault itself where he stole shit tons of info.

That guy was Lucas Grey

I won't speak further on him because spoilers
 
DaReaperMan said:
Wick shows pain and shit. 47 often times does not. Simple.
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This is actually a bad example to bring up in terms of stamina, since even our stamina page notes that there's different kinds of it. Agent 47 might have the more impressive pain resistant stamina, but that doesn't mean he has greater endurance in terms of how long he can be active, nor does it mean he can operate for longer while injured. Distinct categories, and all.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Also I'm just now remembering 47 can legitimately just throw a car battery at John's feet if the floor is wet and kill John via electrocution. Which is hilarious.
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From what I have gathered...

47:
MUCH better stealth capabilities
Superior AP and LS
Has wacky gadgets
Arguably more intelligent

Wick:
Arguably more skilled in cqc
MUCH better feats with the gun
Bulletproof suit helps alot (duh)
arguably better guns
Wrestling skills probably helps against the LS difference

I think the only way for 47 to safely win is if he goes into stealth. We've seen Wick get overwhelmed by ninja assassins in the 3rd movie, so 47 would just put a bullet on the head without him noticing.

But since op has them start just several meters away with only furniture as cover, Wick could easily gun him down and chase him. If that happens, I think Wick would win hard diff. But again 47 could easily go to hiding and kill him


voting incon for this legendary assassins
 
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