War vs Natsu

[Kingofwolves999]

War (Darksiders) vs Natsu Dragneel

Darksiders Genesis War

X791 Natsu with DF Restricted

Speed equalized, starting 5 meters apart. SBA otherwise





War:

Natsu:

Inconclusive:

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I don't remember the last time I saw War in a battle.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

It's been months. Been trying to force this verse back into relevancy since the new game came out.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Then, to be brief and direct-

The lowball for War's calc is 12 tons, and he is stronger than this as he's unrestrained in Genesis. Natsu scales to Gray, who scales to Silver, who has a 24 ton feat. Natsu has a slight edge. I would wagger and say he's more skilled and for sure more experienced than Natsu in battle, but I could see them being comparable.

His fire abilities are utter trash and gonna be unusable, which turns his Chaos Form into a liability except for the invulnerability as Natsu could eat the flames from his sword or form and just use that to regain power. This already ***** him over since Natsu has a boost besides DF while he only has a liability. While Natsu's fire is gonna be much less impactful as he already resists fire, but I don't remember any case where he had to deal with fire as hot as Natsu's (by now his fire is comparable tot he heat of lightning, pretty high) so he'll still take some damage. This resistance, plus his Stone Skin form reducing damage for him and reflecting the damage towards Natsu,plus amping him some, plus his instinctive reaction with block counter, and the fact I believe War is smarter than abusing fire against a dude pulling fire out of his ass every other second, and his constant healing means that I see him taking this unless Natsu really tries to abuse everything out of his Lightning Fire Dragon Form.

Natsu's best chance is just overwhelming with pure AP and AoE with LFDM and emotion boosts.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The high end is taken for that feat, so War is actually > 24 megatons.

I don't think Chaos Form is actually fire, it's just energy that looks like fire. At least, it's never been confirmed to be fire.

War has actually been hit by cloud to ground lightning bolts before, but idk if heat was an issue for him there, since it was just a part of the boss fight.

How skilled is Natsu in combat? War has thousands of years of planet slaughtering and species wiping behind him, and that was before he spent even more thousand of years protecting the balance. He's for sure smarter than Natsu, but I won't say anything about the actual skill department, since I don't know Natsu as well.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I actually didn't know that. That helps his case much more. Why was 80% hollowness taken over 90%?

I mean, it looks like fire. Unless it is outright stated to not be fire, it should be normal to assume it is from it's visual appearence. Looks no different from the actual fire he can use either, at least to me.

Wouldn't be the same. Even normal people can take lightning. It is so momentary the heat is barely any issue, like a nuclear bomb, but his fire is gonna be affecting him constantly.

Fairly skilled. His whole fighting style is fisty cuffs and he has dealt with a lot that way. Could match and fodderize two fellow and skilled fisticuff users while not really exerting himself, so it wasn't an AP or Speed stomp. When he "turned off his mind", he literally started reacting and fighting by pure instinct. He should be close to War in the variety of absurd types of enemies he has fought, but of course nowhere near him in experience.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Idk. I asked DMUA and he said 80% is what should be used.

Official statements on the Chaos Form don't really exist, and unlike War's actual fire manipulation, it doesn't set foes on fire with its hits, which is an important distinction in gameplay. Story wise it's just him being pissed, so I guess it's not impossible for it to be actual fire.

Understood about the Lightning part. He should be able to take some hits from LFDM Natsu regardless with his stat amps, healing and resistances, so negating all of it shouldn't be too important.

War has his own instinctive reaction, but it's no where near as potent as that. Though, the immense experience gap, on top of War's other advantages, seem pretty difficult for Natsu to deal with.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Then that's perfect, he should have the AP advantage considering he has a bladed weapon and Stone Skin boosts his AP some too.

Thing is, that could simply be game mechanics that people don't get set on fire. I prefer assuming it is what it looks like just to be on the safe side.

Agreed, he should be able to take it.

At worst they are equal.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I haven't decided yet but I will throw in some two cents.

One thing about War's experience and skill in combat is that he's noted to be a better tactician than Death in combat by Death himself. Death is older than the other horseman and is described as one of the Firstborn, one of the first Nephelim to come into creation. That said, I think War has far more experience but that doesn't mean that his combat effictiveness fully outstrips Natsu's.

As for Chaos Form being fire, I'm liable to doubt that. Yes, it looks like fire but it doesn't set his enemies on fire like his actual fire manip does. Based on that and lack of official statements regarding it, I'm inclined to say it's not fire. Energy can take on many forms: fire, mist, lightning, light, etc. Simply put, him looking like fire doesn't actually. Aesthetics are a thing...

 

[Zackra1799]

The fact that there aren't any official statements or in game attacks regarding that are applicable in this instance than the only thing we have to go off of is aesthetics. But this isn't really the place to discuss this. Given his profile already states that the form is fiery, a crt should probably be made if there is sufficient evidence to change it.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Bump

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Bump

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Snip

What do you think about the other arguments brought up? My personal opinion is that Chaos form or not, War has the tools to outlast and keep on dealing damage even if Natsu gets the boost.

 

[1997KD]

its look like hax stomp for mr, natsu didnt have any win con

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Wut? This is not a hax stomp, Natsu can totally hurt him.

 

[1997KD]

Wut? This is not a hax stomp, Natsu can totally hurt him.

Resistance to Fire Manipulation, Hellfire Manipulation, Ice Manipulation Invulnerability (Via Chaos Form), Time Deceleratio (With Chronospheres) Steals life from his enemies during combat, Disease Manipulation,

 

[Bob8999]

natsu should still be able to damage him by attacking him physically. or lightning flame dragon mode could work.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

This version of War doesn't have time or disease manip

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Bump

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

War has never resisted something on the level of hotness of Natsu's flames, so all that will do is help him a little. Hellfire is just asking for Natsu to have a meal and regain energy. Chaos Form is momentary. Stealing life is just stealing life energy to regen himself, it is not something that wins him a fight in a few minutes.

This is the second Key of War, not the first.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Bump

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