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Welcome, the Ruler of Time Istaroth (Genshin Impact)

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Hello Genshin Impact Community, Lore Enjoyer, Good Morning, Good Afternoon, Good Evening and Good Night wherever you are! Hope y'all doin alright.

Today, i will introduce y'all the Profile of our Beloved Shade/God and Ruler of Time Istaroth, Her influence in the lore were so far soooo good, thats the reason why she's my Favorite Shade among the Four Shades

About the Rating that she should get


First of our topic is What is the Attack Potency for Istaroth and the other High Tier in the verse of Genshin Impact? And i'll try to explain to you why they should get 2-C or Low Multiversal level, this is gonna be a long one so enjoy reading i guess. :v

The main topic and the source of it will be come from
Archon Quest: Chapter V act VI: Space and Time for You.
Since my Main Character is Aether so i'll treat him as the Traveler, so sorry for those who's the MC is Lumine.

Hibernation Chamber Key
In the early of the Archon Quest we go to the a certain cave, there, the Traveler found A Key to the Hibernation Chamber. it turns out that the Traveler and his sibling came to Teyvat with a Spaceship and theres a Hibernation Chamber inside of that Spaceship. The key that the Traveler found Wasn't His Key but Lumine's Key. He also said that theres only 2 of this kind of Key which is only belong to Aether and Lumine.

Direidyth:
A while after we fought some Abyssal Monsters we comeback to the cave again, there we met a girl name Direidyth, she was being Chased by a Monster but we can't see the monsters and she's confused, then, after the Traveler touched Direidyth he finally can see those Monsters. After that he defeated those Monsters. Paimon also said that when Aether is fighting those monsters, she see Aether like slicing a thin air. We confused of what is going on, why we can't see of what she see?.

After a long time wondering of what is going on.. It turns out that the Traveler and Direidyth are in a different space-times (you can watch from this timestamp to the moment where we stop thinking about it), —even Citlali said she feels a signal that exist from a different dimension of Reality. And Despite hailing from a seperate space-time, Direidyth somehow can communicate with us.

Lumine
We go back to the cave where Direidyth is located, there she saw something unbelievable, The Cataclysm. Shortly after, she knew she wasn't in the same world as us. She considered us as her "Savior" Even though earlier she said that her "Savior" Is Lumine and she want us to give her a memento if she ever met Lumine. There theres an Option that we give OUR Key to her. After that, Time is suddenly Freezing and Lumine Shows up, she said that ALL OF THIS is because of the Ruler of Time ISTAROTH.

From here i'll explain the most important part of our conversation with Lumine:

Lumine's Timeline: Around 500 Years Ago, Lumine got seperated from Aether and lost her memories, she lived in Khaenri'ah and eventually King Irmin declared her as the new Princess of Khaenri'ah. Long story short when the Cataclysm occured, Lumine as the "Savior" of Khaenriah had to saved Khaenriah from destruction, yet before that, Direidyth found her and gave Aether's Hibernation Chamber Key and told Lumine that Aether is searching for her. At that time, Lumine had to made a hard choice, Saved Khaenri'ah or Find Aether. Then she chose the second option to find Aether, after she found Aether he was still in his Hibernation/Sleeping and theres his Key of Hibernation Chamber beside him.
So at that time, there was 3 Keys exist simultaneously in that moment:
1. Lumine's Key
2. Aether's Key from her Timeline
3. Aether's Key from the Main Timeline

It turns out that the Key that Direidyth gave her is Aether's Key from the Main Timeline that we gave to Direidyth.

Aether's/The Main Timeline: this Timeline is literally us as the Traveler, this Timeline is where the Main Timeline (Aether) and the Alternative Timeline (Direidyth) met each other and everything is a mess because the two Timelines are mixed up or colliding, thats why Aether and Direidyth are in the Different SpaceTimes and they had to hold hands to see whats happening in their Timelines.
—and then Lumine's revealed that Istaroth who did all of this, she created two different spacetimes/timelines to seperate Lumine and Aether. And Istaroth wants Lumine to focus on searching for Aether instead of Saving Khaenri'ah.

Conclusion:
So from this we can Conclude that the Ruler of Time Istaroth created a different Space-times/Timelines and seperated Lumine and Aether in a different/seperate Spacetimes.

According to This, this case would Grant Istaroth 2-C/Low Multiverse Level. this case is exactly the same as written Here.
"there is the case of timelines that are connected at certain points in time. Unlike the scenario in which travel between universes is always possible through three-dimensional movement, connection between these timelines only occurs at specific times. At these moments, the timelines may be considered as the same universe. For instance, if a timeline splits into two, the timelines were once the same universe before the split occurred. Conversely, if two timelines merge into one, they become the same universe only after they have been fused. In such cases, destruction of a timeline is only accounted for if it was not connected to any other timeline for an infinite amount of time. Conversely, if numerous timelines were never separate for an infinite amount of time, they would be considered as one timeline for the purpose of tiering their destruction or creation."
So basically before the two timelines were fused, they're essentially in a different Universe and they can be considered in the same Universe only after they fused. Now in Genshin case, these timelines were finally fused after we met Lumine in this Archon Quest.

With all that Yapping. The Ruler of Time, Istaroth should get 2-C rating.

About Istaroth's Speed.


Well well we finally got to Speed section which is more shorter than before (im sorry) but anyway!

This is where i should offer her Immeasurable Speed. from where? Let's talk about it.

The Ruler of Time Istaroth has a Daughter named Gold-Eyed Celadon Mare, she was an Angel and is one of the Eight Adepts. During the Archon War, she along with the rest of the Eight Adepts fought to subdue the god Tao Dou.

Celadon Mare is a female Adepti with the form of a White-Horse and golden eyes. In her Eyes/Perception, Time unfurls like a vast painted screen and a barren wasteland with neither beginning nor end so that SHE can run with all movements from this present into the future.
Even in her Perception, the growth of mountains is like passing clouds

So basically, "Time" In Celadon Mare's eyes is so different than what the mortal see.

To put it easier, Imagine you are a Gold Ship (you are a horse), in your eyes, The Linear Time is stretched out like a barren field that has no beginning and no end. So that you can move in all directions of Time and can just casually run/leaping from this moment/present into the past and future. Which is exactly like what Celadon Mare did before.

Here's the Chinese Version of "Spring of Hidden Jade vol.2" if you ever wonder its mistranslated or not
仙人寿限漫长,对于时间的感触自然同朝生暮死的凡人不同。

凡人的双眼只固执地盯着狭隘有限的前方,但在她的双眼中,时间则仿若广阔的屏画。

在凡人的眼中,时间是永远流逝的血流之河,鲜红的洪流不管如何在固定的河道中奔涌、如何奔向分岔的支流,终究将涌向暗红发黑的海平线,流向遥远沉静的死亡。"Adepti have long lifespans, and naturally their perception of time differs from that of mortals, who live and die in a single day.
Mortals' eyes stubbornly stare at the narrow, limited horizon, but to her, time is like a vast, moving painting.
In the eyes of mortals, time is a river of blood flowing endlessly. No matter how the crimson torrent rushes along its fixed course or flows into its diverging tributaries, it ultimately flows to the dark red horizon, toward the distant, silent death."

但在她的眼中,时间是一片无始无终的荒原,遍布着蛛网般的丝线,向着不可知的远方延伸。一切事物都在阔步或奔跑,即使凡人眼中固定的群山,在她的眼中亦似行云般逝去,即使凡人眼中如水银般的长久之物,她也能透过琥珀金般的瞳眸清晰地望见其磨损与崩摧,更不用提短暂的烦恼与欢爱了。"But in her eyes, time is a wasteland without beginning or end, covered with spider-web-like threads, stretching into the unknown distance. Everything is striding or running. Even the mountains that are fixed in the eyes of mortals are fleeting in her eyes. Even things that are as long-lasting as mercury in the eyes of mortals, she can clearly see through her amber-gold eyes that they are worn and broken, not to mention the fleeting troubles and joys."

无穷的生之旅途中,凡人往往追念故乡,因而总会在无穷的时间长流之中彷徨,幻想着已失去的影像能够在未来的某一刻重现。即使被时光的激流推动着,不得不做出摧枯拉朽的选择时,往往也会迷茫地望向过去,仿佛那时消逝的光彩会在某一时刻复归似的。

但她却不同,她永远随着一切运动而奔驰,永远飞扬着白金色的鬃毛,踏碎一切波浪,搅散一切沉淀,只顾从此刻向未来飞奔
"On the endless journey of life, mortals often yearn for home, thus wandering endlessly in the endless flow of time, fantasizing that lost images will reappear at some future moment. Even when driven by the torrent of time and forced to make drastic choices, they often look back in confusion, as if the lost glory of that time will eventually return.

But she is different. She always rushes with all movement, her white-gold mane always flying, crushing every wave and stirring up every sediment, rushing solely from the present to the future."

山中部民曾视她为时间的女儿,正如自清泉腾跃而出的白马,没有任何枷锁能够拘束她。正如她高傲的母亲那般,没有任何障壁或卵壳能够阻挡她。

平原牧民曾追逐着她的脚步,脱离荒野的束缚,踏上寻求水草的迁徙之路,金白色的马驹成为了
大地上所有牧群的前导。

海渊中的王国曾视她为使者,凭着自己的想象为她平添鳞与尾鳍,为既是母亲又是女儿带来的光芒顶礼膜拜。

"The mountain tribes once saw her as the daughter of time, a white horse leaping from a spring, bound by no shackles. Like her proud mother, no barrier or eggshell could hold her back.

The plains herders once followed her footsteps, breaking free from the constraints of the wilderness and embarking on a migratory journey in search of pasture and water, their golden-white foals leading the way for all herds across the land.

The kingdoms of the abyss once saw her as an emissary, imbuing her with scales and tail fins in their own imaginations, and worshipping the light brought by both mother and daughter."

This would simply grant Celadon Mare Immeasurable Speed and Istaroth as her Mother who's obviously a Higher being and far stronger than her Daughter should get upscales from her Daughter.
Theres also a statement that Istaroth can Can go from this present into the past and future.
(Like mother like Daughter, I love it)
This is also qualified for This.

Another option of the Speed will be "Temporal-Omnipresence".

in the "Third Year of Darkness" of the Byakuyakoku Collection Vol.2: Before Sun and Moon, it is said that Istaroth is Every Moment in Time, hence why she's also the God of Moments.

Final Conclusion:


the Ruler of Time Istaroth would have 2-C rating with the Immeasurable Speed or Temporal-Omnipresence.

Here
are the Sandbox of her profile i made yesterday with all the scans and references in it.
I would change some of the abilities after we discuss about them and make a final decision.

People who would get scale from this should be:

  1. Heavenly Principles
  2. Dragon King Nibelung
  3. The other Shades
  4. Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah and people who's comparable
  5. Seven Dragon Sovereigns and people who's comparable (due to manage to fight the Four Shades + Phanes for 40 Years despite being Lost)


Staff only
Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus | @Dalesean027 (Temporal-Omnipresence) | @FinePoint (Temporal-Omnipresence) |


Neutral:


Disagree:
 
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Agree with 2-C rating but I will give my thoughts about immeasurable speed rating later since it's kinda flowery languages all over the place and I don't really buy it either.

About the scaling chain, I agree with HP and other Shades since they are one and the same in the source anyway. But I am kinda iffy with Dragon soverigns and Sinners getting it too. There's no proof or reason for sinners to get it for sure. Soverigns might have a chance but it's too vague to put chain scaling onto. I will get back to this later.
 
like i said in the thread i am fine with abilities bit i also think her speed should just be rated with Temporal Omnipresence since it literally fits better as Weaver said there are probably lots flowery language plus Cn to En always sucks
For tiering i am not sure if these can be scaled physically since this falls under Creation which would need UES for it.
Are Shades using Genshins Elements as their main power or? if so then im fine
and for Scaling Ill think about Sovereigns but PO Shades Sinners (especially Rhiedottir) and Nibelung are blatant enough
 
The meaning must be understood, the text does use metaphorical language, but that doesn't mean it can't be understood, in the text the author clearly wants to explain the difference in perception between humans and the children of Istarot, where humans see time as a flow while god-class entities will see time as a painting or a barren field which allows them to move in all directions in time instead of just following the flow like humans, because this is also why Istaroth is able to carry seeds to the past and future.
I think this has met the standard for immeasurable speed, because their movements are no longer bound by linear time or moving within time as they move in a barren field which allows them to move in all directions to the past or future.
I agree with everything in the CRT.
 
Agree for everything, Even though this says flowery, at least we can take some things that can be interpreted. For Immeasurbalee Speed, it is better to use Celadon Mare feats

Those perspective like "Time unfurls like a vast painted screen" it can be said that the effect is when she walks in time

I would like to use this for my Asmoday profile
 
Hold on, does that mean characters like Traveller and Mavuika are going to get 2-C rating since they've been listed as 5-B? I feel like that shouldn't be the case given this is sort of power that neither of them possess.
 
I'm fairly certain that was just a case of temporal BFR, Aether and Lumine's meeting seemed more like Istaroth manipulating space and time to allow it, so I'm skeptical about the 2-C rating.
Also, aside from the various grammatical issues, I have serious doubts about the AE1. There's no explicit mention of her being formless, she got a body 👅, so Type 2 seems more appropriate. As for Acausality 4, it feels more like an assumption than actual feat.
Rest looks good.
 
disagree with 2C, it is just her transporting another person to the future .
Istaroth added the past and future together, which is why Direi and the traveler can meet, so it's not a transmission but an addition to the timeline. A similar thing happened in Raiden Shogun's Plane of Euthymia, where Istaroth added time as an additional dimension.
 
Yeah but this isn't something that can just be applied to other characters since it's not a physical nor comparable ability. If it's an ability exclusive to Istaroth, there's no reason to suggest other characters scale.
 
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Agree with 2-C rating but I will give my thoughts about immeasurable speed rating later since it's kinda flowery languages all over the place and I don't really buy it either.

About the scaling chain, I agree with HP and other Shades since they are one and the same in the source anyway. But I am kinda iffy with Dragon soverigns and Sinners getting it too. There's no proof or reason for sinners to get it for sure. Soverigns might have a chance but it's too vague to put chain scaling onto. I will get back to this later.
I have already see the CN version before and it was more or less accurate as the EN one (literally)
I had to log in my account if i have to check on it now.
 
I don't have a problem with the rest except for Plot Manipulation that just falls to Text / History Manipulation as creating the history which is pretty much correlated through "Time" in the general standards has zero correlations with Plot Manipulation whatsoever (Like you know how you also get history erasure if you delete a timeline generally through existence erasure?). That being said, nothing implies anything for Immeasurable Speed — For it to be Immeasurable in the first place, it'd have to be something where your movement is unbound / transcend the very linear time (past-present-future) so unless these two are elaborated more then I don't really agree with it tbh
 
like i said in the thread i am fine with abilities bit i also think her speed should just be rated with Temporal Omnipresence since it literally fits better as Weaver said there are probably lots flowery language plus Cn to En always sucks.
Not really, i have alrwady checked the CN one and its completely Accurate.

Its flowery language but that doesn't mean its not true. the Spring of Hidden Jade are talking about the Story of Gold-Eyed Celadon Mare meeting Guhua in the past.
For tiering i am not sure if these can be scaled physically since this falls under Creation which would need UES for it.
Are Shades using Genshins Elements as their main power or?
Of course not, damn that would upscale the Elements.
 
I don't have a problem with the rest except for Plot Manipulation that just falls to Text / History Manipulation as creating the history which is pretty much correlated through "Time" in the general standards has zero correlations with Plot Manipulation whatsoever (Like you know how you also get history erasure if you delete a timeline generally through existence erasure?). That being said, nothing implies anything for Immeasurable Speed — For it to be Immeasurable in the first place, it'd have to be something where your movement is unbound / transcend the very linear time (past-present-future) so unless these two are elaborated more then I don't really agree with it tbh
i don't think that's necessarily have to trancends the very linear time?
Its already said
Being able to casually roam around freely across linear time qualifies for immeasurable speed
 
i don't think that's necessarily have to trancends the very linear time?
Its already said
No, main requirement for Immeasurable is to simply be a movement that's unbound by linear time. That's how Tensura's immeasurable speed through information particle is accepted, cause their very movement transcend those (hence why they can go to any point in time), about the FAQ you've quoted: Just read the full

Anyways, possible uses for Text Manipulation is like this which fits to Istaroth more than Plot Manipulation tbh
• Altering a section of a book such that everyone reads it differently, possibly even across every copy of it.
• Creating magical runes which manifest the properties of the elements described, such as the word "fire" actually causing something to burn.
• Manifesting the characters from a book into real people.
• Writing about events and having them magically transpire as a result.
• Rewriting historical events in a way that alters everyone's memory of it or even changes the timeline to match.
• Authoring a story and having the universe described be an equal and possibly reachable alternate reality.
 
No, main requirement for Immeasurable is to simply be a movement that's unbound by linear time. That's how Tensura's immeasurable speed through information particle is accepted, cause their very movement transcend those (hence why they can go to any point in time), about the FAQ you've quoted: Just read the full
So the quote i just gave isn't true?

I already read the full of it and nothings wrong with my crt offering Immeasurable speed
Anyways, possible uses for Text Manipulation is like this which fits to Istaroth more than Plot Manipulation tbh
I mean i don't mind of if its change to text manipulation
 
Immeasurable (Movement unbound from the flow of linear time, which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below)
This is the main requirement, that's why fiction like Tensura (again) through Information Particles that basically transcend this gets that speed rating and HI3 for multiple reasons.

What's there on the FAQ in which "What's the difference between Immeasurable and Infinite speed" is just the aftermath of what an Immeasurable speed character is able to do when their movement is simply unbound/transcend linear time, that's all.
 
So the quote i just gave isn't true?

I already read the full of it and nothings wrong with my crt offering Immeasurable speed
I'm just saying it wouldn't be that easy, even there's a better argument like through Raiden Ei's will that transcend space-time, it could always be interpreted as Immeasurable given Raiden Ei's will is basically herself. Plane of Euthymia is a manifestation of Raiden Ei's will, and her will transcends space-time just like Traveler. Whether that history of Teyvat stuff gets them to Immeasurable back in PoE, idk

Unless you wanna say that Raiden Ei's will is different from Ei even if Plane of Euthymia is basically herself even though it's supposed to be a manifestation of her will
 
What's there on the FAQ in which "What's the difference between Immeasurable and Infinite speed" is just the aftermath of what an Immeasurable speed character is able to do when their movement is simply unbound/transcend linear time, that's all.
I don't think so, the first quote was clearly saying of another option of getting qualified for Immeasurable speed.

I think we need the staff to evaluate this so we can clear.
 
I don't think so, the first quote was clearly saying of another option of getting qualified for Immeasurable speed.

I think we need the staff to evaluate this so we can clear.
It's a continuation of the main requirement tbh, not an entirely different one but sure if you wanna think that. I mean, the immeasurable feat isn't just limited to this
 
. As for Acausality 4, it feels more like an assumption than actual feat.
Rest looks good.
First of all, it would not make any sense if the Four Shades and the Heavenly Principles were bound to the Fate System that they created, they're essentially the Descender who trancends all laws in the world.

If the Seven Sovereigns isn't bound to their system then why wouldn't the four shades who's literally the ones who created this Fate System.
 
First of all, it would not make any sense if the Four Shades and the Heavenly Principles were bound to the Fate System that they created, they're essentially the Descender who trancends all laws in the world.

If the Seven Sovereigns isn't bound to their system then why wouldn't the four shades who's literally the ones who created this Fate System.
I don't know, because the Four Shades are practically envoys of the Heavenly Principles? It's Phanes who created the law, fate system, et cetera, Seven Sovereign are just always unbound by it in the first place

There's a reason btw why the universal law for Heavenly Principles only applies to Phanes, not the Four Shades (Their scope is limited to Teyvat, so what makes you think they're unbound by the fate system created by Phanes?)
 
I don't know, because the Four Shades are practically envoys of the Heavenly Principles? It's Phanes who created the law, fate system, et cetera, Seven Sovereign are just always unbound by it in the first place
Again, why? Why would the Four Shades be bound to their own System?
The four shades are essentially coming from the Heavenly Principles, the shadows, the shades. You know
The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four
They're Primordial One's shadows that split into Four
 
Again, why? Why would the Four Shades be bound to their own System?
The four shades are essentially coming from the Heavenly Principles, the shadows, the shades. You know

They're Primordial One's shadows that split into Four
Yeah but they're only projections of Primordial One, it doesn't hold a candle or even the slightest to Primordial One itself.

There's a major difference between Primordial One and the Four Shades, it's not Primordial One that splitted itself into 4 but rather projections of it. So, no. Four Shades are still limited by their own system because it's the failsafe that Primordial One puts in them
 
Main thing is it was never explicitly mentioned that they are not bounded by it, so unless stated otherwise we can't just assume that by our own.
And its safe to assume so, because the four shades are "Descender" In nature, even though they're not count as a descender. But they're part of the Descender itself.
 
And its safe to assume so, because the four shades are "Descender" In nature, even though they're not count as a descender. But they're part of the Descender itself.
So would original archon be a part of descender even if they only have the slightest of primordial one's powers? 💔
 
Yeah but they're only projections of Primordial One, it doesn't hold a candle or even the slightest to Primordial One itself.

There's a major difference between Primordial One and the Four Shades, it's not Primordial One that splitted itself into 4 but rather projections of it. So, no. Four Shades are still limited by their own system because it's the failsafe that Primordial One puts in them
Oh not really, theres also no proof of them being bound by the fate system they created.
They are "descender" In nature even though they're not a descender.
 
And its safe to assume so, because the four shades are "Descender" In nature, even though they're not count as a descender. But they're part of the Descender itself.
Assumption is the biggest problem here, only Descenders are not the part of the system, and shades aren't, pretty sure shades are not exactly the part of heavenly principles.

So, I am more on possible rating than definitive one.
 
So would original archon be a part of descender even if they only have the slightest of primordial one's powers? 💔
??
Hello? Thats false equivalance and not related to the four shades at all, lol.
 
Bro, Istaroth isnt above time itself, she IS time, the fact she has statements like “present on every moment” and that shes like literally named “time” and even possible idea that she watched us in that new timeline she made tells us abt temporal omnipresence (and its literally better vro listen to me 🥀)
 
Oh not really, theres also no proof of them being bound by the fate system they created.
They are "descender" In nature even though they're not a descender.
C'mon, so would Ineffa be a descender too by this definition? Or Arlecchino, or Osial cause they all beat the Traveler up since apparently Traveler being beat up and powerless against Istaroth nor Asmoday is because of theyre considered as a "Descender" in nature..

I don't mean to strawman or anything, but this just doesn't make sense at all. I still agree with Twilight that it's based off assumptions, even Furina would've agreed that Four Shades are just simply the projections instead of them being Phanes itself.

Yeah, I disagree for Plot Manipulation but I agreed with Text Manipulation since Istaroth's text manipulation is better than plot manipulation in this case anyway. Immeasurable is just no for me, there's better feats like through the Thousand Winds or Plane of Euthymia in which Istaroth directly was present in there and Acausality (Type 4) is also a no tbh
 
But I thought original archons are a part of primordial one?
Says who? Did Phanes just give a birth and having a son of a Human named Xbalanque? Lol
No, they're not, nobody ever said that in the game.
 
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