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Why does tiering system changed?

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Why does tiering system changed? I mean, tier 0 is bland now, everyone just wanks characters with indescribability while cosmology of the verses is weak as hell. I've readed Lord of the Rings and Silmarillion, cosmology of the verse is barely beyond universal, and of course Eru Iluvatar is tier 0 because he is indescribable 😂 Idk, it just became bland and boring.
 
Tier 0 is independent of the cosmology; U can either have a tier 1 or 2 cosmology with a tier 0 being and it would be the same because tier 0 is only dependent on his essence. Maths are at best just low 1-A now cuz the properties of 1-A are beyond mathematical reach since it works with qualitative properties (and even those are transcended by the tier 0) the currents tier 0s are way more powerful than the past one with mahlo cardinals as their base line (which is now even transcended by the weaker 1-A). The problem that u r having with the current tier 0 is that u haven't read it enough to comprehend it, cuz if u would, u would know that the current tier 0s are more powerful than the past ones and that "indescribability" is neither enough nor the only feat for being boundless
 
I already knew all this, you didn't have to write it. Why is it that when I disagree with a system, people think that I don't know it, rather than that I neglect it? You just stole level 0 from PSW. It's very stupid and boring.
"indescribability" is neither enough nor the only feat for being boundless
yeah-yeah, no shit Sherlock, it doesn't matter, cosmology is much better as a factor when comparing characters. In any good tiering system, an attempt to skip all cosmological tiers and climb to the highest tier only with the help of onthology is pure No Limits Fallacy.
 
I already knew all this, you didn't have to write it. Why is it that when I disagree with a system, people think that I don't know it, rather than that I neglect it? You just stole level 0 from PSW. It's very stupid and boring.
"indescribability" is neither enough nor the only feat for being boundless
yeah-yeah, no shit Sherlock, it doesn't matter, cosmology is much better as a factor when comparing characters. In any good tiering system, an attempt to skip all cosmological tiers and climb to the highest tier only with the help of onthology is pure No Limits Fallacy.

I’m not trying to make you look bad or anything, but this current tier was first proposed in October 2023… while the PSW from wasn’t even established by february 2024 and only worked with ineffablility so... who copied who now? We or the wiki that had two create sections into tier 0?
which btw are based on pure ontology too so u r not getting backed by another wiki.
 
"which btw are based on pure ontology too so u r not getting backed by another wiki."
Of course lol, otherwise, why would I say that you stole a tier from PSW? And I don't care who stole this level from whom, PSW's tiering system is as terrible as VSBW's tiering system.
 
What do the alephs and omegas have to do with it? You're violating Strawman fallacy.
"Undus Mundus in Agartha"
What is this bullshit and how does this relate to the topic? To me, it's just a bunch of random letters.
 
I’m not trying to make you look bad or anything, but this current tier was first proposed in October 2023… while the PSW from wasn’t even established by february 2024 and only worked with ineffablility so... who copied who now? We or the wiki that had two create sections into tier 0?
which btw are based on pure ontology too so u r not getting backed by another wiki.

Are you trying to imply that we copied Ultima’s system?

I could not care less about your stupid feud between wikis, but if you are going to make accusations, at least back them up with real data. We introduced a tier for divine ineffability in April 2023.
 
Either bro a ragebait or coping.

Anyways here's your yappucino order.
I don't disagree with the scaling, I disagree with the scaling system itself. Can I influence the improvement of the tiering system on this wiki?
Bro, the whole “VS Battle Wiki is ruined because Tier 0 changed” take is just you discovering that cosmology ≠ raw transcendence and having an existential crisis over it 💀. Like yeah, we get it, you miss the 2019 “how many universes you got?” era, but that’s not depth, that’s just power-scaling Minecraft biomes.

The tiering system changed because people finally realized that just saying “our verse has 16 dimensions and a Void beyond” doesn’t actually make a character boundless — it just makes your cosmology large, not transcendent. Tier 0 isn’t about size, it’s about conceptual finality. That’s why “indescribability” isn’t the reason someone is Tier 0 — it’s a symptom of existing beyond any possible system of definition, including metaphysical frameworks, laws, or logic themselves. That’s a qualitative leap, not a quantitative one.

And saying “cosmology is better than ontology” is like saying the color of a car is more important than whether it has an engine. A big cosmology means nothing if your gods are still part of that system instead of beyond it. You can’t climb to Tier 0 by stacking multiverses like Lego; you’re just inflating scope. That’s literally the No Limits Fallacy — pretending infinity scaling somehow breaks conceptual hierarchy.

And yeah, I know Tier 0 feels bland now — I don’t even fully like it either. But what did you expect from beings that literally represent the pinnacle of that fiction? You want them to start throwing hands with galaxies or something? 💀 They’re the endpoint, not the playground.

So nah, Tier 0 isn’t ruined — it’s just cleaner, more consistent, and less of a sandbox for people who think “bigger number = higher tier.” VS Battles moved on. You didn’t.

Also ofc you can, create CRT then improve what you think is missing or not good enough.

peace out.
 
I don't disagree with the scaling, I disagree with the scaling system itself. Can I influence the improvement of the tiering system on this wiki?
You can. Just go to a staff's message wall, and want permission for create a staff thread. When you get permission, you can create a thread for changing Tiering System.
 
Are you trying to imply that we copied Ultima’s system?

I could not care less about your stupid feud between wikis, but if you are going to make accusations, at least back them up with real data. We introduced a tier for divine ineffability in April 2023.
I'm not, i only said that the tier that changed was that one which in the past worked with ineffability and tried to say that ours don't works only with that with the accusations that the tier 0 is just because ineffability. If I made u feel offended, I'm sorry and was not my intention AT ALL
 
Either bro a ragebait or coping.

Anyways here's your yappucino order.

Bro, the whole “VS Battle Wiki is ruined because Tier 0 changed” take is just you discovering that cosmology ≠ raw transcendence and having an existential crisis over it 💀. Like yeah, we get it, you miss the 2019 “how many universes you got?” era, but that’s not depth, that’s just power-scaling Minecraft biomes.

The tiering system changed because people finally realized that just saying “our verse has 16 dimensions and a Void beyond” doesn’t actually make a character boundless — it just makes your cosmology large, not transcendent. Tier 0 isn’t about size, it’s about conceptual finality. That’s why “indescribability” isn’t the reason someone is Tier 0 — it’s a symptom of existing beyond any possible system of definition, including metaphysical frameworks, laws, or logic themselves. That’s a qualitative leap, not a quantitative one.

And saying “cosmology is better than ontology” is like saying the color of a car is more important than whether it has an engine. A big cosmology means nothing if your gods are still part of that system instead of beyond it. You can’t climb to Tier 0 by stacking multiverses like Lego; you’re just inflating scope. That’s literally the No Limits Fallacy — pretending infinity scaling somehow breaks conceptual hierarchy.

And yeah, I know Tier 0 feels bland now — I don’t even fully like it either. But what did you expect from beings that literally represent the pinnacle of that fiction? You want them to start throwing hands with galaxies or something? 💀 They’re the endpoint, not the playground.

So nah, Tier 0 isn’t ruined — it’s just cleaner, more consistent, and less of a sandbox for people who think “bigger number = higher tier.” VS Battles moved on. You didn’t.

Also ofc you can, create CRT then improve what you think is missing or not good enough.

peace out.
Who said that I liked the old vs battles system? You're thinking for me. I've been making accusations specifically to the current tier 0. This is literally the biggest No Limits Fallacy I've ever seen. Ontology is just an ability, hax, it doesn't boost a character in any way in cosmology. Suggsverse characters literally mops the floor with your tier 0's and Suggsverse isn't even strongest verse 😂
 
Who said that I liked the old vs battles system? You're thinking for me. I've been making accusations specifically to the current tier 0. This is literally the biggest No Limits Fallacy I've ever seen. Ontology is just an ability, hax, it doesn't boost a character in any way in cosmology. Suggsverse characters literally mops the floor with your tier 0's and Suggsverse isn't even strongest verse 😂
 
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