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Wuthering Waves Verse Creation

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AlipheeseXIV said:
How are they unrelated if the transdimensional space created is literally formed by the "unrelated" stuff in question?
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I already said it, Transdimensional is physical stuff, a physical theory in real life, you link it to a google answer isn't gonna make it being literal concept in the verse.


AlipheeseXIV said:
What verse context are you referring to? I think you're focusing a little too much on the Shorekeeper scan, I never actually used the Shorekeeper scan itself to support the AE. The AE support literally comes from these abstractions themselves not the Shorekeeper scan at all, though it is in of itself a form of support.
It's directly stated that when frequencies are concentrated in a single place, it's possible their reverberations can still carry traces of human will with Rover even saying that he once saw a friend reconcile with a dead friend inside of a Sonoro precisely because of this fact which is in fact it's own quest. Furthermore spirits/souls are literally made of frequencies (everything is as I have already shown), the people who underwent the Fisalia families trials were also able to use their emotions to form a Sonoro.

A Sonoro was able to instantly draw out Carlotta's memories, experiences, and even passing thoughts to create itself. With Carlotta's Mirror Self being a product of Carlotta's own memories, desires and fantasies, who is able to turn the Sonoro into her domain, this is literally all textbook definition of abstractions which is the ability to "embody an abstraction, such as a concept, thought, or information, and being immortal thanks to it". Officially taken from the AE page itself, we also have even more support in the same quest here wherein Carlotta who can erase the existence of frequencies, is unable to directly kill Mirror Carlotta as a result of the Sonoro. Which perfectly fits in line with AE1 that directly states the following:

"Exists purely as an abstraction. These characters lack a true physical form, and affecting them requires the ability to affect directly the abstraction itself, because eventual physical manifestations are merely avatars."
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So Frequencies only carries a trace of human's will if it is concentrated in a single place rather than being human's will itself? Pretty much disqualify for AE1 because rather than being human's will itself, Frequencies only carry a trace, and that trace will only appear when Frequencies are concentrated in a single place mean if it is not concentrated, human will will not appear

Being soul/spirit is incorporeality, which i think i accepted them

Can create, produce stuffs from abstraction like memories, thoughts, etc.... isn't gonna make those stuffs. You linked to "embodies abstraction" part in AE page to prove your point, but that is AE2, if you are arguing those stuffs created from memories, thoughts, experiences being AE2 then i have no problem with it, but those aren't AE1 feats

So all and all, i still disagree with AE1, Incorporeality?, i'm fine with it
 
Vietthai96 said:
I already said it, Transdimensional is physical stuff, a physical theory in real life, you link it to a google answer isn't gonna make it being literal concept in the verse.
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That makes no sense, so if I had linked the definition of fire to the fusion element is it not going to be fire manipulation just because I used a google link? The point of the link was just to explain what a transdimensional space was and how it generally functions. Which is of course, where the devs even got the definition of it for the game? It was from real life? If it wasn't something within the verse, then it wouldn't be stated to be a transdimensional space within the verse? I don't remotely understand this at all.
Vietthai96 said:
So Frequencies only carries a trace of human's will if it is concentrated in a single place rather than being human's will itself?
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No, that's specifically reverberations.
Vietthai96 said:
Can create, produce stuffs from abstraction like memories, thoughts, etc.... isn't gonna make those stuffs. You linked to "embodies abstraction" part in AE page to prove your point, but that is AE2
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How is that AE2 if I literally linked the example from AE1...? Forget it lol, AE was removed a few days ago. You don't gotta answer my questions.
 
I have a question for its Information Manipulation since I'm knowledgeable on this ability since 2024, I do remember Wuthering Waves is atleast limited to Solaris-3 in its scope as there's no frequencies outside Solaris-3 — Wouldn't this just make it as IM1?
 
No, as long as the Info is fundamental and made up thing in physical reality, then it is Info type 2, limited in Solaris just mean it is limited in range so how big Solaris is will be the hax maximum range
 
Vietthai96 said:
No, as long as the Info is fundamental and made up thing in physical reality, then it is Info type 2, limited in Solaris just mean it is limited in range so how big Solaris is will be the hax maximum range
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Well, my main problem would be that if information there pertains to Solaris-3 instead of reality themselves. But I'll take your word for this if it pertains to reality then it's fine

It was never an issue if the IM2's range is localized, the only issue is that: What does the ability pertains to? Because, it's obvious that you don't have to universal or whatever it is but if the metaphysical abilities don't pertain to reality themselves then it's simply not fundamental tbh
 
Voidnether said:
Well, my main problem would be that if information there pertains to Solaris-3 instead of reality themselves. But I'll take your word for this if it pertains to reality then it's fine
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Well, i just explain thing generally, though i just checked my initial evaluation, and i disagreed with Info 2......
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Voidnether said:
Well, my main problem would be that if information there pertains to Solaris-3 instead of reality themselves. But I'll take your word for this if it pertains to reality then it's fine

It was never an issue if the IM2's range is localized, the only issue is that: What does the ability pertains to? Because, it's obvious that you don't have to universal or whatever it is
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It pertains to the power system.
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but if the metaphysical abilities don't pertain to reality themselves then it's simply not fundamental tbh
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This is not true at all, info type 2 is seen in various magic systems and even fundamental things like minds or souls in some series. You do not, in any capacity whatsoever, need it to pertain to reality in order to qualify for the ability.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
It pertains to the power system.

This is not true at all, info type 2 is seen in various magic systems and even fundamental things like minds or souls in some series. You do not, in any capacity whatsoever, need it to pertain to reality in order to qualify for the ability.
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It has to pertain to reality, it's always been like this since day 1. Ask it to a staff or someone you deem knowledgeable, they'll say the same thing.
 
Voidnether said:
"Fundamental" to existence, I don't have to explain it since you knew about it already, yes?
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Fundamental to certain kinds of existence and it specifically pertaining to reality as a whole are 2 different things, as I had already stated and shown in the links it is not only limited to using type 2 info as a basis of manipulating reality. Fundamental existences can be limited to the soul/mind of a character or some sort of "core" to use a more close example with what I provided. As such, it does not strictly have to pertain to reality. Of course, as with everything I'm only quoting the standards or things knowledgeable staff have said, I'm not the person who made the standards but what's provided goes against what you're saying.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Fundamental to certain kinds of existence and it specifically pertaining to reality as a whole are 2 different things, as I had already stated and shown in the links it is not only limited to using type 2 info as a basis of manipulating reality. Fundamental existences can be limited to the soul/mind of a character or some sort of "core" to use a more close example with what I provided. As such, it does not strictly have to pertain to reality. Of course, as with everything I'm only quoting the standards or things knowledgeable staff have said, I'm not the person who made the standards but what's provided goes against what you're saying.
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And how does that exactly make this fundamental in terms of existence/reality?
The Waveworn Phenomena is believed to alter matter, information, and energy by converting them into vibrating "frequencies", referred to as "Reverberations". This process has been observed through experimental evidence in the academic community.
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I am sure you have the capacity to figure it out yourself, that it's definitely not because of the "traces of human will", yes? Unless you're saying human will is inherently fundamental by default.
 
Voidnether said:
I am sure you have the capacity to figure it out yourself, that it's definitely not because of the "traces of human will", yes? Unless you're saying human will is inherently fundamental by default.
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What are you talking about? The traces of human will are not strictly the only kind of reverberations that exist in the verse, they're just a single kind of reverberation to which there are multiple types and I'm not arguing that human will is inherently fundamental by default. The point was to show clear and accepted exceptions to your previous comment of type 2 info pertaining to reality, that's all.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
What are you talking about? The traces of human will are not strictly the only kind of reverberations that exist in the verse, they're just a single kind of reverberation to which there are multiple types and I'm not arguing that human will is inherently fundamental by default. The point was to show clear and accepted exceptions to your previous comment of type 2 info pertaining to reality, that's all.
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You'd rather argue the general consensus than the validity of the verse as in where does the IM2 comes from? Yeah nah I'll pass actually
 
Voidnether said:
You'd rather argue the general consensus than the validity of the verse as in where does the IM2 comes from? Yeah nah I'll pass actually
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I really rather not argue the general consensus of anything on this wiki, I'm just providing what I know or have seen.
 
Forgot to evaluate other parts in those sandbox, anyway other than what i already disagreed, other abilities is fine, though there are some hyperlink that was linked to the game wiki page, which should be changed into actual scan from the game itself, using wiki link as evidences could lead to all sort of problem, potentially RVR stuff
 
Vietthai96 said:
Forgot to evaluate other parts in those sandbox, anyway other than what i already disagreed, other abilities is fine, though there are some hyperlink that was linked to the game wiki page, which should be changed into actual scan from the game itself, using wiki link as evidences could lead to all sort of problem, potentially RVR stuff
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If you mean the element stuff that was a placeholder until I decided to hop in the game and get them, safe to say I forgot to do that. I'll edit it soon.
 
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Voidnether said:
there's no frequencies outside Solaris-3
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The lament that causes everything to become frequencies has even spread and damaged the timeline.
Another small example of a moon in Solaris-3 that was long destroyed by the waveworn phenomenon, So the frequency is not only on solaris
 
Bsk_lyree said:
The lament that causes everything to become frequencies has even spread and damaged the timeline.
Another small example of a moon in Solaris-3 that was long destroyed by the waveworn phenomenon, So the frequency is not only on solaris
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The timeline inside Solaris-3, which still meant that it's localized. You literally have timelines inside a planet, what is it if it's not a localized timeline then? If it's within Solaris-3, it doesn't matter. I kinda need the evidence that well it exist beyond Solaris-3's scope
 
Voidnether said:
The timeline inside Solaris-3, which still meant that it's localized. You literally have timelines inside a planet, what is it if it's not a localized timeline then? If it's within Solaris-3, it doesn't matter. I kinda need the evidence that well it exist beyond Solaris-3's scope
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If the lament can damage the structure of the time line then it is certain that the range is 4D and other evidence that it is not only limited to Solaris, and the moon is destroyed because of the waveworn phenomenon This is one proof that the range is not limited to Solaris-3 only.
As for evidence of Lament attacking other planets/universes, there is no legitimate evidence yet, but by damage the timeline, I think it is enough.
 
Maybe a little off topic, but I think it would be worth adding the Chaos Realm into consideration. Part 2 of 2.6 revealed some rather interesting details:

"A shifting realm between life and death, existence and nothingness. It is not a place in the physical sense, but a convergence of infinite possibilities that includes all of Iuno's emotions, memories, and connections.
Here, her specter wanders, stuck reliving her past… until enough fragments of hers are captured and anchored. Only then can the girl erased by the world reclaim her future."
 
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