Yogiri 2-A Death Manipulation Qualm/Question

[GiverOfThePeace]

Yeah....so?

 

[ÆONS]

After looking through people's comments on the thread, Ploz's logic seems to make a lot of sense and I agree with the OP. I should note that by no means I am familiar with the verse at hand, so my opinion on this does not carry as much weight as someone else's, a person who is knowledgeable about this.

Also, GiverOfThePeace stated the following:

In your own quote:
"-He has zero idea how to use it, how to do any magic from it, or even both using this thing in character"

My interpretation of what he meant was whether it would be in character Yogiri would utilize the true extent of his power. Because if it is not, then the untapped potential of his power would not bear consideration since he would simply never do such a thing. It may be true that technically he can tap into such massive potential and defeat anyone, but if he decides to never do so for whatever reason, then it would not be worthwhile applying such an ability to his profile. The most we can do is do what Umineko did with its untapped potential characters: put in a separate key for Yogiri's untapped potential/True Form.

 

[YungManzi]

That argument doesn't work, because it's not a matter of untapped potential. It's a matter of said character simply not wanting to do what they were stated to be capable of doing.

This is quite a ridiculous argument imo, like... if tomorrow new Dragonball canon came out with no contradictions, stating that Zeno could destroy a 2-A multiverse if he wanted to; we wouldn't say something as ludicrous as "If he did want to destroy the multiverse, he wouldn't be the same character so his power in this if scenario can't be scaled to him."

Such a thing is truly baffling, and that multiple people agree with this viewpoint...whew....

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

All that matters when such statements come up is 1 thing

Can he do it/Does he have the power?

Yes: then he gets the 2-A

No: then he does not get the 2-A

That they wont do it because of morals or just simply cus, is of no importance

The wiki's very purpose is to make characters fight at their 100% no moral etc.

 

[YungManzi]

"It may be true that technically he can tap into such massive potential and defeat anyone, but if he decides to never do so for whatever reason,"

And to address this point briefly. Yes, he never uses Instant Death to destroy his entire 2-A multiverse. But, throughout the entire story he constantly spams the ability on every obstacle he comes across. From people, to objects, to many universes. Using his power the same on all of them.

This is not like Spongebob holding a page of a reality warping book for a few minutes.

 

[Gemstic]

If you want to see an example of him having the true form manifest itself to deal with something he's unable to handle on his own:

To kill Iselda's countless avatars that existed throughout the world in various forms (from micro organisms to elves) as well as his final body that existed in a space isolated from real world, Yogiri had the true form manifest again. (it resulted into the death of countless 'innocent' living organisms as a result, but that didn't stop him from carrying out their execution)

Do note that, although he doesn't like mindless slaughter, he never hesitates to kill his target if it's necessary for him (no matter who or what the target is). He is quite practical, despite having his own principles and morals (he was never able to truly live the life of a normal human, after all).

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

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