yuta vs mahito (2-0-0)

[Sus]

yuta okkotsu vs mahito

fight takes place in sendai after yuta takes a rest from fighting uro and ryu (thus yuta has sky manip and dhruvs tech but no jacobs ladder)

mahito has low godly taken into account

both know the fundamentals about each other's techniques

yuta: (2) @Zabazab @Nonynho
incon:
mahito:

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

When you say the fundamentals of each other's CTs...?

 

[Sus]

When you say the fundamentals of each other's CTs...?

yuta knows mahito can reshape souls
as well as healing himself if the attack doesn't target the soul

mahito knows yuta has RCT, a shikigami, and his technique is copy

both know they have domains as well

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Okay, now I need to know. Does Yuta know that RCT can't fix damage caused by Idle Transfiguration? I ask because Yuji assumed it could at first and only learned later it couldn't, so like would Yuta potentially try to go for the Guts strategy here where he takes a hit on purpose for a kill shot only to realize he screwed himself over doing so?

 

[Zabazab]

Either Domain sure-hit or RCT output are better wincons for Yuta than Idle Transfiguration (which requires physical contact).

 

[Sus]

Okay, now I need to know. Does Yuta know that RCT can't fix damage caused by Idle Transfiguration? I ask because Yuji assumed it could at first and only learned later it couldn't, so like would Yuta potentially try to go for the Guts strategy here where he takes a hit on purpose for a kill shot only to realize he screwed himself over doing so?

well you could say yuji told him

but it shouldn't matter too much since yuta has a limited resistance by virtue of being above grade 1

he could take a light hit and realize it cant be healed

for the purpose of the thread im gonna say he doesn't know at first

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Either Domain sure-hit or RCT output are better wincons for Yuta than Idle Transfiguration (which requires physical contact).

He needs physical contact for RCT output to be a lethal thing as shown by his fight with Kurourushi.

 

[Sus]

are we sure RCT will kill him?

what will IT do to rika? can yuta make her restrain mahito while he goes for RCT?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

are we sure RCT will kill him?

what will IT do to rika? can yuta make her restrain mahito while he goes for RCT?

If he didn't have the Low-Godly Regen then I'd say this was his easiest way to win since he can borderline blitz Mahito going by our current ratings. Even if it doesn't kill him Yuta is going to try it at some point since Mahito is a Cursed Spirit and he'd think this would at the very least cripple him. Also who's Domain is more refined, Mahito's or Yuta's? That radically changes how a Domain Clash plays out, especially since Mahito can use a 0.2 second Domain.

 

[Zabazab]

Rika can output RCT as well. Idle Transfiguration probably doesn't work on Rika if Orimoto Rika's soul passed on (yes, even inanimate objects have "souls", but only SSK can interact with that stuff, not Idle Transfiguration).

Also who's Domain is more refined, Mahito's or Yuta's?

Yuta. He's been a sorcerer longer than Mahito has been alive, and Rika gives Yuta an advantage in Domain clashes based on Ryu and Uro's thoughts.

 

[Sus]

yuta definitely has the better domain

mahito brute forced his domain and never got in an actual clash

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Rika can output RCT as well. Idle Transfiguration probably doesn't work on Rika if Orimoto Rika's soul passed on (yes, even inanimate objects have "souls", but only SSK can interact with that stuff, not Idle Transfiguration).

I'm fairly certain that Shikigami Rika still has a soul though because after Tsurugi sacrifices her and all of her Cursed Energy she turns into actual Rika and then fades away like she did in JJK 0.

Yuta. He's been a sorcerer longer than Mahito has been alive, and Rika gives Yuta an advantage in Domain clashes based on Ryu and Uro's thoughts.

I suppose so, but Mahito is pretty cracked when it comes to Domains, especially with a 0.2 second activation.

 

[Sus]

i believe RCT will destroy his body but he reshape it

it will deplete alot of his CE tho, so repeated exposure should kill

yuta will definitely try going for RCT before using super mode or domain, which might make him miscalculate and get hit

 

[Zabazab]

after Tsurugi sacrifices her and all of her Cursed Energy

This never happens. Tsurugi gave up using the transformation he gave her in a binding vow to boost his speed. Marulu literally uses the ring's boundless cursed energy for Harmony alongside Naunax's Mul and Idle Transfiguration later.

turns into actual Rika

I considered this to be Orimoto Rika appearing before them from the afterlife, since it's explicit that her soul moved on after JJK0.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This never happens. Tsurugi gave up using the transformation he gave her in a binding vow to boost his speed. Marulu literally uses the ring's boundless cursed energy for Harmony alongside Naunax's Mul and Idle Transfiguration later.


I considered this to be Orimoto Rika appearing before them from the afterlife, since it's explicit that her soul moved on after JJK0.

That's pretty ******* sus that she just shows up from the afterlife just to aura farm for no reason and disappear in the couple seconds. I'm fairly certain the implication is that Shikigami Rika has her own soul.

 

[Sus]

so yutas wincon is melting mahito down with RCT

mahito similarly needs to melt yuta down with IT

while yuta has a better domain it would require some effort to overpower mahitos domain

but if it does happen mahito goes into burnout and gets one shot

 

[Zabazab]

It's infinitely more reasonable than there being two Rikas. As said in Sendai Colony:

"Rika" is the external storage of Cursed Techniques and Cursed Energy that Orimoto Rika left for Okkotsu after she was released.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It's infinitely more reasonable than there being two Rikas. As said in Sendai Colony:

I'm pretty sure Shikigami still have souls though. It's certainly implied to be the case.

 

[Sus]

mahito cant interact with inanimate souls
otherwise he could have used IT through mediums like kenjaku did

 

[Zabazab]

It's certainly implied to be the case.

When? Especially for Rika who is the husk of a Cursed Spirit whose soul explicitly moved on to the afterlife.


Also unrelated to any debate: What would Rumelians think of a Cursed Spirit born from a dead human, like Rika or Naoya? The reason they see Curses as Kalyans is because of all 3 groups sharing a soul colour, which wouldn't be the case for a human-turned-Curse.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Mahito can change his own shape to escape her grip; she ain't catching him like she did with Yuji. If both have knowledge of each other, it's a double edged sword for each. If Yuta comes into contact with Mahito to kill him with RCT, he can also have chances of getting cooked by Mahito's CT. Rika is dumb, so she most likely gets cooked either way trying to catch Mahito.

I don't think Mahito will fall for Domain battle even if you say he will what ability of Yuta can kill him? He still need to make a physical contact and Yuta's domain obviously doesn't have any good sure hit there.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

When? Especially for Rika who is the husk of a Cursed Spirit whose soul explicitly moved on to the afterlife.

Because the ******* aliens think that Shikigami are Kalyans and the only reason they would think that is if they can perceive their soul color, meaning Shikigami have souls too.

 

[Sus]

cursed speech would be yutas best friend here

 

[Zabazab]

Because the ******* aliens think that Shikigami are Kalyans and the only reason they would think that is if they can perceive their soul color, meaning Shikigami have souls too.

Absolutely not. No one knew about soul colours until Marulu and Yuji sat down to discuss Harmony. The thing that "confirmed" for Rumelians that Curses were Kalyans was that their third eye cried at their death, but even then some Rumelians noted how the difference in pain at a Curse's death meant they weren't Kalyans.

The reason Marulu thought "A Kalyan?!" when he saw the Marmalade Boy shikigami is because it kind of looked like one.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Absolutely not. No one knew about soul colours until Marulu and Yuji sat down to discuss Harmony. The thing that "confirmed" for Rumelians that Curses were Kalyans was that their third eye cried at their death, but even then some Rumelians noted how the difference in pain at a Curse's death meant they weren't Kalyans.

The reason Marulu thought "A Kalyan?!" when he saw the Marmalade Boy shikigami is because it kind of looked like one.

Well they're not inanimate objects either, they're clearly alive so they have souls regardless. There's literally no one in JJK that lacks a soul, regardless of species or physiology. Also going by current profiles we treat Shikigami as being the same as Cursed Spirits regardless so this doesn't matter.

 

[Sus]

im leaning towards mahito cant reshape rika, but he can escape her grasp easily anyway

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Even if Mahito can't just delete Rika's soul or whatever, he only needs to outlast Rika for five minutes and then focus on Yuta again.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Rika kinda hard counters Mahito.

She can output RCT, has no soul and is MUCH stronger/faster.

Yuta has no reason to not bring her in and do that even before going super mode.

If we accept that RCT can bypass Mahito's regen then this is a stomp, if not then Rika will just hard counter him until he either runs dry or tries the domain and just gets folded by Yuta.

Super mode is just unfair since he can destroy Mahito with CS, avoid him completely with Sky manip, use dhruv's to create a pseudo domain and just constantly chip at him without any issue.

Either a stomp or Yuta wins.

 

[Zabazab]

Mahito's only real advantage is Idle Transfiguration being an insanely strong technique, Yuta has everything else going for him:

• Anti-Cursed Spirit techniques like RCT output and Cursed Speech.
• Dhruv's shikigami technique which deals permanent damage to Mahito due to sure-hit mechanics.
• Sky Manipulation to make Mahito unable to touch him and fulfill the requirement of Idle Transfiguration.
• A better Domain with his greater experience with barrier techniques and Rika giving him advantage in a clash.
• An offensive sure-hit in Authentic Mutual Love like Sky Manipulation will damage Mahito regardless of Idle Transfiguration.

Voting Yuta

 

[Sus]

Dhruv's shikigami technique which deals permanent damage to Mahito due to sure-hit mechanics.

surehit doesn't mean he cant heal from it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

surehit doesn't mean he cant heal from it

But it can chip at Mahito which can give him more openings.

Also iirc the second time he didn't touch Kuro to output RCT, he just put his hand in front of his head and blasted his ass. I need to check again but if that is the case then Yuta doesn't even need to touch Mahito to wear him down.

 

[Sus]

But it can chip at Mahito which can give him more openings.

surehit ≠ soul damage

Also iirc the second time he didn't touch Kuro to output RCT, he just put his hand in front of his head and blasted his ass

because kuros brain was exposed due to granite blast

I need to check again but if that is the case then Yuta doesn't even need to touch Mahito to wear him down.

he does need to touch him

 

[Zabazab]

surehit doesn't mean he cant heal from it

Chapter 82 implies otherwise, doesn't it? The Simple Domain tubes damaged Mahito's soul by activating a Domain in him, neutralizing Idle Transfiguration and making Mahito vulnerable.

 

[Sus]

Chapter 82 implies otherwise, doesn't it? The Simple Domain tubes damaged Mahito's soul by activating a Domain in him, neutralizing Idle Transfiguration and making Mahito vulnerable.

simple domain neutralizes techniques, idk about dhruvs barriers

 

[Nonynho]

both know the fundamentals about each other's techniques

Yuta is more than skilled enough to not let himself be touched

therefore he wins high-low diff via simply having WAY more capability of making Mahito get hit than the other way around
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