zekrom vs reshiram

[One_Stick_Man]

Standard Battle Assumptions in use.

Both will fight at their very BEST.

Both Bloodlusted and battle to the death.

Zekrom: 1 (Kaltias)

Reshiram: 3 (Jawsome247, Bobsica, Chartate101)

Inconclusive: 7 (Enryu The Red Tower, Starter Pack, JooCipher, NeoZex6399, Inverted Tempest, GyroNutz, Eficiente)

Unvoted: 2 (SomebodyData, The real cal howard)

 

[SomebodyData]

Interesting...

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Literally, this is an Inconclusive

Reshiram and Zekrom have only one real advantage over the other, which are the ranged attacks from Reshiram and Zekrom's melee combat, and literally those are the only advantages of each, both are resistant to the secondary types (Fire and Electricity) on the other, they are equal, if they Reshiram to have a distance away most of the fight it wins, if Zekrom keeps up in close combat its wins

 

[Starter_Pack]

I absolutely agree with Enryu. Inconclusive FRA.

 

[Jawsome274]

They're essentially the same character. This isn't like Dialga vs. Palkia, where they had different feats. They were the same character in 2 "different" movies. And they're pratically the same in terms of types. Inconclusive.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

The one of differences between two are, that Reshiram focuses on ranged attacks and Zekrom focuses in close combat

 

[Jawsome274]

The one of differences between two are, that Reshiram focuses on ranged attacks and Zekrom focuses in colse combat

Then I'm changing my vote. SBA state that the distance is how far the furthest attack is, up to 4 km. With planetary range, the battle is 4 km apart. With this, I'm changing to Reshiram.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Range will not be of much help to Reshiram, since Zekrom has stamina to most of its attacks and also Zekrom has ranged attacks, though few are useful as Thunder, Hyper Voice, Thunderbolt, Dragon Rage, Charge Beam, Dragon Breath and Ancient Power such as ranged attacks and the same for Zekrom the close-combat combat does not help much, since most are based on electric attacks which Reshiram has resistance and the same is also not helpless in close combat, because Reshiram has Dragon Claw, Crunch , Slash and Outrage to counter attack

 

[JooCipher]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Bump

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Firstly, Zekrom's better in competitive. So Zekrom wins where it matters.

But to the actual match, there is one thing that's been foregotten to take into account: status conditions. Zekrom can paralyze while Reshiram can burn. Paralysis also has the added effect of lowering speed while burning has the added effect of lowering attack.

 

[Kaltias]

Zekrom via being cooler ovo

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Reshiram gives a sense of majesty ovo

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

That's why I said both are the equal, unless both start a spam festival of Fusion Flare and Fusion Bolt ovo

 

[Eficiente]

It is well know that Blue-Eyes White Dragon>>>>>>>>Red-Eyes Black Dragon, therefore Reshiram wins.

 

[Genericstickman]

The one that appeared once in the anime (excluding movies) wins because he's cooler

 

[Jawsome274]

Range will not be of much help to Reshiram, since Zekrom has stamina to most of its attacks and also Zekrom has ranged attacks, though few are useful as Thunder, Hyper Voice, Thunderbolt, Dragon Rage, Charge Beam, Dragon Breath and Ancient Power such as ranged attacks and the same for Zekrom the close-combat combat does not help much, since most are based on electric attacks which Reshiram has resistance and the same is also not helpless in close combat, because Reshiram has Dragon Claw, Crunch , Slash and Outrage to counter attack

True, but it still deals enough damage to be able to take it out after a bit. And in the case of Zekrom getting too close... Reshiram can just back up.

 

[NeoZex6399]

"One day, however... The twin heroes, the older brother who sought the truth, and the younger brother who sought ideals, began to argue about how to decide which one of them was right... The single Dragon-type Pokémon that had been with them all that time split its body into two. One sided with the older brother, and the other with the younger brother."
"Because the two of them were once the same entity, their battle raged endlessly and neither one could be declared the winner. They simply exhausted themselves. The twin heroes proclaimed that there was no one side that was right and ceased the conflict."
~Drayden (B/W)


Inconclusive

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

This should be a stalemate based on canonicity. Not only for the quote above, but most legendary duos or trios just canonically stalemate each other. Incon FRA.

 

[GyroNutz]

Firstly, Zekrom's better in competitive. So Zekrom wins where it matters.

Tbh I'd say Reshiram is better. Deals with top tier threats like Primal Groudon + Dusk-Mane a lot better, and in general less switches in well. Pair it with a Mega Gengar to trap special walls + stuff like Ultra Necrozma, and you'll find it putting in the work.

But that's irrelevant, inconclusive FRA

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

And the hrace period started 4 hours ago

 

[Starter_Pack]

And the hrace period started 4 hours ago

Really? Because I only counted six votes.

Reshiram: 1 (Jawsome274)

Zekrom: 0

Inconclusive: 6 (Enryu The Red Tower, Starter Pack, JooCipher, NeoZex6399, Inverted Tempest, GyroNutz)

 

[Eficiente]

Inconclusive ftra.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

And now really grace period has begun

 

[Starter_Pack]

Okay, now were in grace period.

 

[Bobsican]

Reshiram uses Blue Flare and Zekrom uses Bolt Strike, now Zekrom is burned and Reshiram is paralized; Zekrom´s moves now are weakened, while Reshiram is slower and may be unable to move.

Zekrom attemps to use Dragon Claw, it works, but Reshiram manages to tank it as Zekrom is weakened, Reshiram then uses Draco Meteor as a last resort, one shotting Zekrom via sheer AP (plus type advantage) and chip damage done by the burn.

While a a match like this can easily be considered as inconclusive, Reshiram has a small advantage as he actually as better moves than Zekrom overall, so I vote for him.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

This is the dedinition of redundant. This battle hapened in canon already.

 

[Starter_Pack]

So has Sonic vs. Shadow, Naruto vs. Sasuke and Goku vs. Vegeta, and yet they've been added.

So, what's your point?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The versions of Naruto and Sasuke that fought never fought each other, no.

Same for goku and vegita.

Don't care about sonic, but it is redundant regardless, and "others did it too" is not a rebuttal against that.

 

[Starter_Pack]

So you're saying this whole match should be thrown away, despite the fact that there is legitimate room for debate here, just because it's already happened in canon?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes, because the "legitimate room for debate" is completly useless. They are objectively equal in a fight, that cannot be argued against.

 

[Starter_Pack]

In that case, then any fight involving the Legendary Pokémon can be thrown away, since they're supposedly equal in canon. Which would include fights with obvious type advantages such as Groudon and Kyogre, or Xerneas and Yveltal.

Discounting fights just because they've already happened is not what we do here.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Not all legebdaries are canon, no. But if the loor has them as equal, yes, making a fight is redundant.

Exept redundant fight are not counted specifically because of that. If the same fight happened with no outside factors (such as goku having outside help with vegeta during saiyan saga) then they are absolutly useless to argue, as it's litirally picking fanon over canon.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

The same thing for Zekrom and Reshiram, all the fights that involved them had the external factors (as their trainers), the heroes of the legend (in games, manga and anime movie), Ash and Damon, N and the protagonist of Black/White in games, N and Black in manga Adventures, all canon fights between Reshiram and Zekrom had important external factors as their trainers, but here is being made a 1x1 fight between these two

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Erm, the heroes didn't change much in the fught, and they are perfectl capable of acting without them just as well.

And if you want to say that the heroes somehow changed the battle, the fact that the two are equally inteligent makes the loss of trainers litirally the same amount of change for the two.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

It's redundant to really make most legendary duos or two members of a trio fight each other. You could change it up with Palkia vs Dialga, Groudon vs Kyogre, Zapdos vs Articuno, etc., they usually will just be Incon. The only way it would be different would be something like Rayquaza vs Kyogre which is something Rayquaza would likely win due to canon. Legendary matches are usually redundant like Ricsi already said if they're done with those that are canonically on par with each other.

 

[Chartate101]

Gonna go for Reshiram. When everythng is prettu much equal but one does better at range, I gotta vo with that

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Grace period is over, I'm going to add this match to their profiles

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Grace period is over, I'm going to add this match to their profiles

There was a thread about stomps and redundant stuff. This fits the redundand perfectly. As in, the "happened in canon" was one of the exemples.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

If Shadow vs Sonic has been added even though both fighting each other several times in the canon, then Reshiram vs Zekrom can be added as well