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I also just found that out recently lol, for some reason always thought you just had to dodge the canon shots
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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread
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That's a thing? LOL, you learn something new everyday.
I just kept dodging those shots because I'm so busy trying to fight while also not taking as much damage as I can xD
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Yeah look, I'd use this as basis for characters who can take it. Also speed feat probably since you see S11 deflecting it right out the muzzle too?
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Soldier 11 is right about done. The only questionable thing I find is putting in limited power null for her Mindscape 06 skill since it says she can ignore her target's resistance to fire by 25%. But it's moreso just what to classify that as.
After her, I'll do Burnice. If not, I'll probably do the SoC unless someone here had picked anyone from them? Been too multi-tasked to follow here lol.
After her, I'll do Burnice. If not, I'll probably do the SoC unless someone here had picked anyone from them? Been too multi-tasked to follow here lol.
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Ignoring resistance is resistance negation no?
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Cool, asked cuz sometimes reducing resistance can also mean statistic reduction, especially in video games since resistances can be stat based too
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So yeah based on my calcs, the ZZZ cast is roughly in the ballpark of Supersonic+ to Hypersonic+ reactions (depending on how further calcs go), with some obvious exceptions like Miyabi
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is this implying miyabi could possibly be above hypersonic? obviously i'm not expecting FTL ZZZ or anything but she definitely has some crazy speed feats so i could see massively hypersonic depending on how the calcs turn out for her
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I mean Miyabi in general is just a class of her own compared to other Agents by default, so I feel like she should have her own feats regardless
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The rest of Section 6 would on some level scale given they fought alongside her against Bringer and both Harumasa and Yanagi can fight Nineveh
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both yanagi and harumasa also have implications of being able to at least contend with miyabi in combat, if not for a brief while. yanagi fought against the miyabi clone in her special episode, and there's some dialogue where miyabi mentions that fighting harumasa would "give her trouble" if he took the fight seriously
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Miyabi having any superior feats or scaling above the other Agents isn't surprising given her Void Hunter status and her own feats she displays. Literally one of the first things she did when she appeared on screen was do some Vergil Judgment Cut-like thing to blitz and kill off numerous Nineveh offshoots/Ethereal pieces of Nineveh.
The others in Section 6 are also part of the elite forces of New Eridu, with Yanagi fighting that Miyabi clone in the VR world on top of the Heavy Striker machine she fought (though I can't remember if it was this or another machine that looks like it that I'm mistaking lol. It's been a min), and there is the aforementioned line from Miyabi about Harumasa able to give her a fight that would make her have to somewhat try (as well as Harumasa's own Agent Story having him fought a Thracian while getting weaker and weaker from his condition). IDK where Soukaku should be but she surely should scale to most of the Agents for being a part of Section 6 at the least.
The others in Section 6 are also part of the elite forces of New Eridu, with Yanagi fighting that Miyabi clone in the VR world on top of the Heavy Striker machine she fought (though I can't remember if it was this or another machine that looks like it that I'm mistaking lol. It's been a min), and there is the aforementioned line from Miyabi about Harumasa able to give her a fight that would make her have to somewhat try (as well as Harumasa's own Agent Story having him fought a Thracian while getting weaker and weaker from his condition). IDK where Soukaku should be but she surely should scale to most of the Agents for being a part of Section 6 at the least.
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alright, i updated anby's as requested by woomica. i'll probably move onto victoria housekeeping now starting with lycaon, then corin and rina. also, i put some stuff for silver soldier anby in her profile, and obviously i'll update it once 1.6 releases. i assume it's fine to put both in the same profile considering it's literally the same character lol
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I'm sure it's fine to do that. Plenty of the Honkai-named profiles do that. Even Herta from HSR has both her puppet and real body versions on there, and you ofc have the Astral Express trio (Trailblazer, March, Dan Heng) having alt versions of themselves on their profiles as well.
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Okay, continuing the feats and other stuff things to be gathered here as a proper form of reference. This time now it's Chapter 1: Cat's Lost & Found.
13:52: Nicole's briefcase has a function that can release (What I presume) to be some sort of knock out gas to anyone that attempts to open her briefcase or open it incorrectly.
41:44: A train car is mentioned to have been thrown by an Ethereal (much likely implying the Dead End Butcher did it).
45:05: Corin can saw through a train-car's doors.
48:35: Corin is deceptively strong.
49:40: In a dialogue during gameplay, Nekomata asks Corin if her colleagues are strong only for Corin to reply they're "much stronger" than her. Though this can either just be Corin's self-esteem issues or the others in VK are stronger than her (even if perhaps by not a lot).
54:25: Nekomata can keep up with a slowed down train. DK how slowed the train is going and Nekomata was said to be pretty fast when she came into the store earlier in the story so kinda hard to quantify this feat. Again, just putting this in for convenience if anything.
1:18:10: Nekomata's pretty observant if anything.
1:21:45: Billy states Cat Thirens have better vision than normal people, and further adds his own vision is pretty good.
1:23:00: Anby states Billy using up his fuel reserves wouldn't be able to beat her if she got serious, with Billy's comment after perhaps implying otherwise but not much else said beyond that.
1:27:05: Somewhat offscreen-ish, Anby and Nekomata take out a few Hati Ethereals.
1:27:55: Dead End Butcher in its base state busts three walls.
1:54:50-1:55:10: A Hollow's size can be reduced if 3k are destroyed. Alternatively, a giant Ethereals ether activity can reach or exceed thousands of Ethereals meaning taking one out would be the same as taking thousands of standard Ethereals to reduce a Hollow.
2:00:45: (Anti-Feat?) Nekomata fails to react to a syringe-gun shooting a syringe at Perlman. Part of it might be due to Nekomata focused on negotiating or Sarah was quicker on the draw before Nekomata could react to notice it but idk.
2:03:20: Anby reacts and blocks the Dead End Butcher's weapon. Said weapon was thrown pretty fast, and Anby was able to get to Billy in time to block it.
2:03:39: (Possible speed-feat?) Dead End Butcher was ontop of some ruined building. Then the next second after a flash of lightning, it vanishes just to appear on the ground the next.
2:04:30: CH were able to beat DEB, only for the latter to revive and unleash a more stronger form.
2:06:00~2:07:00: CH were able to eventually beat back the DEB in its stronger state. Soon after, the train Phaethon were on comes full speed onto it, ramming it back into some ruins yet despite this, the DEB was still kicking and even managed to lift the oil tanker explosives. It takes said explosives after being charged by a lightning bolt igniting the explosive to finally kill DEB.
41:44: A train car is mentioned to have been thrown by an Ethereal (much likely implying the Dead End Butcher did it).
45:05: Corin can saw through a train-car's doors.
48:35: Corin is deceptively strong.
49:40: In a dialogue during gameplay, Nekomata asks Corin if her colleagues are strong only for Corin to reply they're "much stronger" than her. Though this can either just be Corin's self-esteem issues or the others in VK are stronger than her (even if perhaps by not a lot).
54:25: Nekomata can keep up with a slowed down train. DK how slowed the train is going and Nekomata was said to be pretty fast when she came into the store earlier in the story so kinda hard to quantify this feat. Again, just putting this in for convenience if anything.
1:18:10: Nekomata's pretty observant if anything.
1:21:45: Billy states Cat Thirens have better vision than normal people, and further adds his own vision is pretty good.
1:23:00: Anby states Billy using up his fuel reserves wouldn't be able to beat her if she got serious, with Billy's comment after perhaps implying otherwise but not much else said beyond that.
1:27:05: Somewhat offscreen-ish, Anby and Nekomata take out a few Hati Ethereals.
1:27:55: Dead End Butcher in its base state busts three walls.
1:54:50-1:55:10: A Hollow's size can be reduced if 3k are destroyed. Alternatively, a giant Ethereals ether activity can reach or exceed thousands of Ethereals meaning taking one out would be the same as taking thousands of standard Ethereals to reduce a Hollow.
2:00:45: (Anti-Feat?) Nekomata fails to react to a syringe-gun shooting a syringe at Perlman. Part of it might be due to Nekomata focused on negotiating or Sarah was quicker on the draw before Nekomata could react to notice it but idk.
2:03:20: Anby reacts and blocks the Dead End Butcher's weapon. Said weapon was thrown pretty fast, and Anby was able to get to Billy in time to block it.
2:03:39: (Possible speed-feat?) Dead End Butcher was ontop of some ruined building. Then the next second after a flash of lightning, it vanishes just to appear on the ground the next.
2:04:30: CH were able to beat DEB, only for the latter to revive and unleash a more stronger form.
2:06:00~2:07:00: CH were able to eventually beat back the DEB in its stronger state. Soon after, the train Phaethon were on comes full speed onto it, ramming it back into some ruins yet despite this, the DEB was still kicking and even managed to lift the oil tanker explosives. It takes said explosives after being charged by a lightning bolt igniting the explosive to finally kill DEB.
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38.6 tons so good basis for Class 50
If you slow it down frame by frame, you'll get a glimpse of the guy jumping off as the lightning flash fades so not sure about that
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i genuinely forgot she did this when i was going back through chapter 1 to look at feats for anby but this is honestly a pretty crazy feat. moves billy out of the way, straight up blocks the attack chucked by the dead end butcher, doesn't even seem to budge from the force of the attack and seems mostly unfazed other than being slightly out of breath
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Prety much, yeah. The DEB was already around here and there as you go through the chapter and considering Phaethon said an Ethereal had to have thrown it, which is what the DEB is and is the only present one there, it would very likely have to be that who did it.
Right. It's why I put a ? mark on there just in case someone would think "oh, this might be a good one". Better to point it now and have it explained what's happening instead of later.
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Some other calcs you guys might find interesting
Ben Bigger Battering Ram
S11 deflects a tank shell (although this is basically every sword user)
Guardian Mech falls from the sky
Ben Bigger Battering Ram
S11 deflects a tank shell (although this is basically every sword user)
Guardian Mech falls from the sky
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Yup, it's why I'm going throughs vids of previous chapters to check what we can use for that reason too lol. That and I always keep wondering if anyone remembers this besides the most blatant ones like the wall busting feat of DEB and such xD.
Anby has been blocking attacks from powerful Ethereals too, from the empowered Dullahan in Chapter 0 to the DEB (base state) in Chapter 1.
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So Class 50 for first form DEB? Currently had just noted Class 100 for Second form
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ooo very nice, that S11 feat looks like it could give us a baseline for hypersonic ZZZ which is pretty big
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Yup. DEB's Ether Activity is normally dormant anyway unless agitated or beaten down so the fact it can do something like that makes it just as impressive even in its base state.
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i was thinking about this while making rina's profile, but i think you could give social influencing to some characters depending on whether or not you think it's worth having in their profiles. some characters i think you could make an argument for include :
nicole - has shown to be charismatic, is reputable as the leader of the cunning hares, and has also shown capable of being deceptive if need be. also shows pretty solid leadership for the cunning hares
koleda - reputable as belobog's president, has also shown great leadership with all of belobog industries, as people like ben have shown unwavering loyalty in her
lycaon - pretty charismatic and should also be fairly reputable as the head of victoria housekeeping
zhu yuan - reputable as the leader of the CISR team and is one of the notable officers in pubsec, has also shown great leadership both with the other CISR members and fellow pubsec officers. pubsec officers seem to be very loyal to her and follow her commands willingly
caesar - reputable as the overlord of the outer ring, has shown great leadership being the overlord and overseeing the whole of the outer ring, and in general has been shown to be very charming and charismatic
lucy - reputable as the daughter of the montefio family. people associated with the montefio family seem to show extreme loyalty towards her even despite her running away from the family
miyabi - reputable as the leader of section 6 and as the youngest void hunter in new eridu, and has shown strong leadership when it comes to her fellow section 6 members
astra - reputable as the most popular star in new eridu, has an extremely loyal and large fanbase, and in general has been shown to be extremely charming and charismatic
so yeah pretty much just the leaders of every faction + lucy if you think the argument for her works too lol
nicole - has shown to be charismatic, is reputable as the leader of the cunning hares, and has also shown capable of being deceptive if need be. also shows pretty solid leadership for the cunning hares
koleda - reputable as belobog's president, has also shown great leadership with all of belobog industries, as people like ben have shown unwavering loyalty in her
lycaon - pretty charismatic and should also be fairly reputable as the head of victoria housekeeping
zhu yuan - reputable as the leader of the CISR team and is one of the notable officers in pubsec, has also shown great leadership both with the other CISR members and fellow pubsec officers. pubsec officers seem to be very loyal to her and follow her commands willingly
caesar - reputable as the overlord of the outer ring, has shown great leadership being the overlord and overseeing the whole of the outer ring, and in general has been shown to be very charming and charismatic
lucy - reputable as the daughter of the montefio family. people associated with the montefio family seem to show extreme loyalty towards her even despite her running away from the family
miyabi - reputable as the leader of section 6 and as the youngest void hunter in new eridu, and has shown strong leadership when it comes to her fellow section 6 members
astra - reputable as the most popular star in new eridu, has an extremely loyal and large fanbase, and in general has been shown to be extremely charming and charismatic
so yeah pretty much just the leaders of every faction + lucy if you think the argument for her works too lol
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Gonna do another main story feats and statements comp listing. Chapter 2: A Call from the Hollow's Heart.
16:45~17:30: One of Belobog's work machines goes on a rampage and busts through one of their work fences/gates. It also destroys some boxes on the side. Anton stops it in its tracks, and is even able to hold it off on its own until it goes even more berserk. It then goes backwards and nearly collides with the worksite's steel frame until Ben intercepts it and OHKO's it.
20:35: Belobog Machines are able to resist Ether Corruption for a longer period of time and are highly autonomous in working inside said Hollows. Grace is also the one who have made updates from the prototype as well as giving them features like language modules.
26:30: Belobog Machine Greta is a machine responsible for excavating tunnels, and has a demolition saw that it uses to tear down buildings.
28:58: Got ourselves first destruction of some wooden boxes/crates in the game. This is something all Agents, and likely even standard Ethereals, machines, and human enemies like thugs and rebel soldiers are likely able to do.
40:30~41:55: The Belobog Gang manages to fight off Greta.
42:30: Greta's Demolition is an Ether-Electric hybrid of 1,400 kg.
42:40~44:00: Greta's attempts to take out some Ethereals bothering "Mr White" (a multi-story run-down building) causes them to knock a few support beams, then causes said building to collapse on them. Despite this, it was able to still talk and even get out of the debris of said building.
45:25: Belobog's grappler machine is responsible for moving trash around, likely including debris of old buildings or other old materials due to their line of work among other things.
57:44: Grappler throws some concrete debris at the gang. Anton intercepts it and
58:10~1:02:00: The Grappler machine (Hans) is fought off by the gang. Anton blocks a blow from them and even dodges a follow up attack. Koleda comments on it being "fast" for its size and form.
1:06:00: The Hollow the gang goes to has a particular high concentration of Ether due to its age and closeness with the one that caused Old Eridu's fall. This makes the gang have to consider finding the Pile-Driver machine ASAP.
1:12:05~1:13:55: The gang manages to get Friday (pile-driver machine) to calm down. Despite this, it's still capable of moving and is even fast enough to avoid Anton. Only Ben was strong enough to hold it in place to prevent it from running away anymore.
1:34:40: Friday can use its pile driver to clear off any obstacles like walls for Phaethon to get through certain paths.
1:35:20~1:36:20: Greta is a machine that can handle going through walls but not so much bombs. Hans is the opposite: Can handle bombs but not so much walls.
1:38:00~1:41:55: Off-screen, Grace was able to handle fighting off some Ethereals Phaethon notes to have "high ether activity".
1:56:05~1:57:30: The "Sacrifice" at the monument is stated by Grace to have "shockingly high ether levels". It briefly fights Koleda, whose attacks only merely stuns it momentarily and even briefly clashes with Anton's drill. It's stopped by Friday stomping on it, where Phaethon making mere eye contact with it does "something" before it then causes some crystallization effect where it absorbed all of the machines sans the prototype, and its Ether levels goes even higher. The Sacrifice is even stronger due to their fusion with the three smart machines.
1:57:31~1:58:40: The Belobog Gang fights it off. Koleda takes a hit from the Demolition Saw and is blown away, where she gets somewhat banged up but still fine and breathing otherwise. Around that point, the rest are dodging attacks from the Unknown Monument Sacrifice from its ether beam attack to small missiles.
2:01:25~2:04:15: Belobog Gang has managed to hang in there but are getting fatigued from fighting the enraged Sacrifice. Only with the Prototype that Koleda pilots and driving it through the unfinished monument where they able to finally defeat it for the count.
20:35: Belobog Machines are able to resist Ether Corruption for a longer period of time and are highly autonomous in working inside said Hollows. Grace is also the one who have made updates from the prototype as well as giving them features like language modules.
26:30: Belobog Machine Greta is a machine responsible for excavating tunnels, and has a demolition saw that it uses to tear down buildings.
28:58: Got ourselves first destruction of some wooden boxes/crates in the game. This is something all Agents, and likely even standard Ethereals, machines, and human enemies like thugs and rebel soldiers are likely able to do.
40:30~41:55: The Belobog Gang manages to fight off Greta.
42:30: Greta's Demolition is an Ether-Electric hybrid of 1,400 kg.
42:40~44:00: Greta's attempts to take out some Ethereals bothering "Mr White" (a multi-story run-down building) causes them to knock a few support beams, then causes said building to collapse on them. Despite this, it was able to still talk and even get out of the debris of said building.
45:25: Belobog's grappler machine is responsible for moving trash around, likely including debris of old buildings or other old materials due to their line of work among other things.
57:44: Grappler throws some concrete debris at the gang. Anton intercepts it and
58:10~1:02:00: The Grappler machine (Hans) is fought off by the gang. Anton blocks a blow from them and even dodges a follow up attack. Koleda comments on it being "fast" for its size and form.
1:06:00: The Hollow the gang goes to has a particular high concentration of Ether due to its age and closeness with the one that caused Old Eridu's fall. This makes the gang have to consider finding the Pile-Driver machine ASAP.
1:12:05~1:13:55: The gang manages to get Friday (pile-driver machine) to calm down. Despite this, it's still capable of moving and is even fast enough to avoid Anton. Only Ben was strong enough to hold it in place to prevent it from running away anymore.
1:34:40: Friday can use its pile driver to clear off any obstacles like walls for Phaethon to get through certain paths.
1:35:20~1:36:20: Greta is a machine that can handle going through walls but not so much bombs. Hans is the opposite: Can handle bombs but not so much walls.
1:38:00~1:41:55: Off-screen, Grace was able to handle fighting off some Ethereals Phaethon notes to have "high ether activity".
1:56:05~1:57:30: The "Sacrifice" at the monument is stated by Grace to have "shockingly high ether levels". It briefly fights Koleda, whose attacks only merely stuns it momentarily and even briefly clashes with Anton's drill. It's stopped by Friday stomping on it, where Phaethon making mere eye contact with it does "something" before it then causes some crystallization effect where it absorbed all of the machines sans the prototype, and its Ether levels goes even higher. The Sacrifice is even stronger due to their fusion with the three smart machines.
1:57:31~1:58:40: The Belobog Gang fights it off. Koleda takes a hit from the Demolition Saw and is blown away, where she gets somewhat banged up but still fine and breathing otherwise. Around that point, the rest are dodging attacks from the Unknown Monument Sacrifice from its ether beam attack to small missiles.
2:01:25~2:04:15: Belobog Gang has managed to hang in there but are getting fatigued from fighting the enraged Sacrifice. Only with the Prototype that Koleda pilots and driving it through the unfinished monument where they able to finally defeat it for the count.
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Make sure to label what type of leadership they have
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do you mean just going into specific detail about their roles as leaders and how they showcase their leadership?
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Like Homelanders profile lists off his SI
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I'd add Jane Doe in there as well because she obviously can worm her way deep into organizations, has incredibly great acting skills that makes people believe she's a different person, and is an overall charming person and skilled interrogator.
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Alright, I'm now doing a finding on the Chapter 2 Interlude: Mission Unthinkable. Once again, this is just review past story stuff so we have something for the characters in terms of feats, statements, powers they have, and other sorts like intelligence.
8:05: Zhu Yuan was able to run in time to get Bell from getting Final Destination'd while Qingyi stops the speeding car in its tracks with her staff.
14:40~16:00: Qingyi does some weird sensing thing she does, then tries to do some Detroit: Become Human thing. She's also said by Zhu Yuan to also have undergone anti-corruption treatments.
45:45: Qingyi lifts up a truck in order to get a duck from underneath it.
55:06: (Limitation) Being an automaton or android, Qingyi is susceptible to EMP charges. Even a quick burst would momentarily stall her.
56:35: Zhu Yuan takes out two Farbuti's by herself. Qingyi can sense other living beings by their heat signature.
1:34:57: Qingyi deflects incoming crossbow bolts.
14:40~16:00: Qingyi does some weird sensing thing she does, then tries to do some Detroit: Become Human thing. She's also said by Zhu Yuan to also have undergone anti-corruption treatments.
45:45: Qingyi lifts up a truck in order to get a duck from underneath it.
55:06: (Limitation) Being an automaton or android, Qingyi is susceptible to EMP charges. Even a quick burst would momentarily stall her.
56:35: Zhu Yuan takes out two Farbuti's by herself. Qingyi can sense other living beings by their heat signature.
1:34:57: Qingyi deflects incoming crossbow bolts.
There's probably some stuff I'm glossing over here and there but these are the ones that got my attention to so anyone else that want's to look for any minor stuff around this part, be my guess.
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Well solid wall level feat, I might be able to get an idea of how fast that car was going as well as the resulting KE but if References for Common Feats is to believed, it won't go any higher than Wall level, still good Class 10 strength
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Speaking of which, for dudes using robots and Thirens, reminder to add Enhanced Senses as they clearly have advanced detection methods compared to normal humans, if you haven't yet.
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finished rina's profile. gonna move onto corin, and then we should have profiles for everyone from the first three factions + soldier 11. also went back to the other profiles i made and added a couple things, namely giving ben, lycaon, and anby enhanced senses and also giving lycaon social influencing
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Kek, Pub Sec members stay being shafted behind the others xD
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Four highly skilled officers, probably just gonna be at least 9-B atm
One small and tired lady trucker, probably gonna be 9-A
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Nice work on Corrin and everyone else you’ve done thus far. I think I’ll start a sandbox for Soukaku and potentially other members of Section 6
Btw, wanted to ask just to be sure, for Ether characters such as Zhu Yuan and Nicole, should we note that Corruption Attribute Anomaly as for those who can resist Ether Corruption or are Ethereals? Given their Ether projectiles should threaten to cause irreversible corruption but the Attribute Anomaly corruption can wear off.
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uhhhhh that's a good question. given the game refers to the ether anomaly effect as corruption i think the implication is that the ether agents are inflicting corruption on the enemies they're fighting. ether corruption has shown not to be instant most of the time though with a few exceptions, so i guess it could be implied that they're only inflicting temporary corruption on most regular enemies? at the very least maybe debuffing them by inflicting minor stages of ether corruption onto them. we see at the very least earlier stages of corruption can cause things like fatigue and dizziness. plus ethereals are already corrupted so i mean you can't really corrupt them more than they already are
