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[Spinoirr]

Death Battle Predictions: Chihiro VS Miyabi

(Anfang) (ishi_yuki) (Flip) (TWILTY) (Amphloo) (Grantora) (Felow) “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” -Confucius Chihiro Rokuhira, the sorcerer blacksmith and i…

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[DastardlyDangerousDracoga]

Death Battle Predictions: Chihiro VS Miyabi

(Anfang) (ishi_yuki) (Flip) (TWILTY) (Amphloo) (Grantora) (Felow) “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” -Confucius Chihiro Rokuhira, the sorcerer blacksmith and i…

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I have to say, congrats on Naito for getting a lot of his blogs on there.

 

[Naito-desu]

On top of that, I think we can use some of the feats he mentioned here for Miyabi although someone would have to put it in a blog

 

[Sooshirohl]

Death Battle Predictions: Chihiro VS Miyabi

(Anfang) (ishi_yuki) (Flip) (TWILTY) (Amphloo) (Grantora) (Felow) “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” -Confucius Chihiro Rokuhira, the sorcerer blacksmith and i…

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oh hey, that's pretty neat. honestly seems like a really cool matchup ngl, i get the vibes for it. wouldn't be opposed to seeing it as a future episode down the line when both series have some more stuff to work with

also a lot of miyabi calcs, that's nice too. those could definitely be used whenever the miyabi profile gets around to being made

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I’ve planned on making Section 6 so this’ll be helpful for Miyabi.

At the moment, the Bringer storm creation seems to be the most noteworthy feat that, as talked about earlier, is likely fair to scale to him and thus potentially could give us a tier for the other powerful characters of season 1 (Section 6, Nineveh and Gepetto)

 

[Naito-desu]

The only issue with the storm is that it needs some kind of UES or physical aspect otherwise it might not be accepted. Miyabi's ice bridge meanwhile is pretty good imo, certainly better than the ship cutting

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

The only issue with the storm is that it needs some kind of UES or physical aspect otherwise it might not be accepted. Miyabi's ice bridge meanwhile is pretty good imo, certainly better than the ship cutting

I mean it seemed to be created via his Ether energy, which is used in his attacks just as other Ethereals use their Ether energy to create shockwaves, projectiles, Ether crystals and enhance their physical attacks.
We know that an increase in Ether activity makes them physically more powerful as for example that prologue Dulluhan became a boss enemy in gameplay in the second encounter after his increase, DEB more powerful second form is from unleashing the usually dormant Ether energy and Bringer became his 2nd form via power from Tailless, which is Etheric energy.

Is all this not good enough to argue this should scale him in general?

 

[Naito-desu]

I mean, anything involving UES should imo involve some kind of CRT and an attached blog laying out the evidence for this. Not that it isn't strong but it definitely needs to be looked at by people who know more. Furthermore, I know characters who summoned storms who get it as Environmental Destruction if there isn't strong enough causation between them and the storm.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I mean, anything involving UES should imo involve some kind of CRT and an attached blog laying out the evidence for this. Not that it isn't strong but it definitely needs to be looked at by people who know more.

Should we gather some key stuff on Ether (Like It’s use in New Eridu and Ethereals use of it in combat) and just ask in a QnA thread before making like a CRT or blog?

 

[Naito-desu]

Yeah, it shouldn't be hard to really type out an essay and then make a CRT to propose it. We just need to establish the basis for the scaling and get it approved. We'll need mods for that

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

Miyabi Space-time Manipulation? She cut through a hollow which is supposed to be a whole different dimension and stuff

 

[Sooshirohl]

Miyabi Space-time Manipulation? She cut through a hollow which is supposed to be a whole different dimension and stuff

now that i think about it, i don't recall having a thorough discussion about this feat on here other than brief mentions of it

the chihiro vs. miyabi blog that was sent here a couple days ago had some pretty interesting points on why they didn't consider the feat to be space-time manip, but i'd be open to hear what the people here think about it

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

now that i think about it, i don't recall having a thorough discussion about this feat on here other than brief mentions of it

the chihiro vs. miyabi blog that was sent here a couple days ago had some pretty interesting points on why they didn't consider the feat to be space-time manip, but i'd be open to hear what the people here think about it

Mhm there's a few other things I found, like Grace dodging lasers and stuff

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

What do you guys think of ZZZ characters dodging lasers;
The first one I have is during Grace's agent story, the robot mech thing starts shooting lasers at her and she dodges em, then there is her character demo which I'm not sure if character demos are considered canon or not, she's able to dodge the laser the mech ethereal shoots at her.

Aside from that we also have the lasers that the enemies shoot during gameplay which literally every character is capable of dodging.

Wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

I mean we did use characters being able to destroy crates to establish their baseline AP scaling, so gameplay is used as representation for the characters scaling.

 

[Naito-desu]

Well they'd need to be true lasers and qualify for a seet criteria, and we'd have to account for things like aim-dodging since the game gives us a pretty generous indicator for the attack that lets us dodge in advance. Lastly, we'd need to see how fast the characters are relative to said lasers.

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

Well they'd need to be true lasers and qualify for a seet criteria, and we'd have to account for things like aim-dodging since the game gives us a pretty generous indicator for the attack that lets us dodge in advance. Lastly, we'd need to see how fast the characters are relative to said lasers.

Good point, the qualifications for true lasers are a bit strict so it might not go through, as for the aim-dodging thing I doubt that'd be a problem if we manage to prove the lasers are in-fact true lasers, seeing as the indicators are just for the players benefit.

Aside from that I'm not sure if we'll be able to prove they're true lasers unless there are some statements supporting it. At the very least Miyabi is getting Space-Time Manipulation so I'm happy

 

[Naito-desu]

Sounds good though the Miyabi thing should be taken up with whoever's planning to make her and Section 6

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

Sounds good though the Miyabi thing should be taken up with whoever's planning to make her and Section 6

Alright I've found some statements that say some of the enemies do indeed use "Laser weapons" incase that helps and interestingly enough, I found a statement of Ethereal Pompey's Ether Core having "Infinite Power". I'm not trying to push for anything just wanna get your opinions.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I found a statement of Ethereal Pompey's Ether Core having "Infinite Power". I'm not trying to push for anything just wanna get your opinions.

Without multiple supporting feats or statements, it’s just gonna be considered a one off exaggerated statement.

It can’t even be used to argue for infinite stamina as he was getting exhausted during the battle with Casaer, Lucy and Lighter.

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

Without multiple supporting feats or statements, it’s just gonna be considered a one off exaggerated statement.

It can’t even be used to argue for infinite stamina as he was getting exhausted during the battle with Casaer, Lucy and Lighter.

shame

 

[Sooshirohl]

Well they'd need to be true lasers and qualify for a seet criteria, and we'd have to account for things like aim-dodging since the game gives us a pretty generous indicator for the attack that lets us dodge in advance. Lastly, we'd need to see how fast the characters are relative to said lasers.

a lot of "laser attacks" from enemies and ethereals seem to be made up of ether, which makes qualifying them as actual lasers kind of weird, but there are some attacks that seem to use more standard lasers

there are laser turrets in certain levels that travel in straight lines and at consistent speeds, and they're also described as being used to "burn ethereals" which suggests that their main form of causing damage is heat-based

there was a calc in that chihiro/miyabi blog that got miyabi moving with lasers to sub-relativistic, which could be applied to every agent seeing as how they're universal throughout multiple different levels.

not saying i necessarily fully buy them being legitimate, but i thought i'd at least point out some arguments that might help support them

 

[ShroobWasTaken]

a lot of "laser attacks" from enemies and ethereals seem to be made up of ether, which makes qualifying them as actual lasers kind of weird, but there are some attacks that seem to use more standard lasers

there are laser turrets in certain levels that travel in straight lines and at consistent speeds, and they're also described as being used to "burn ethereals" which suggests that their main form of causing damage is heat-based

there was a calc in that chihiro/miyabi blog that got miyabi moving with lasers to sub-relativistic, which could be applied to every agent seeing as how they're universal throughout multiple different levels.

not saying i necessarily fully buy them being legitimate, but i thought i'd at least point out some arguments that might help support them

Nice!

 

[the_doctor]

A new banner has arrived, which banner y'all choose for gacha? Hugo or lighter
(rip en lmao)

 

[Community_Gamer]

A new banner has arrived, which banner y'all choose for gacha? Hugo or lighter
(rip en lmao)

Skip.

 

[Sooshirohl]

A new banner has arrived, which banner y'all choose for gacha? Hugo or lighter
(rip en lmao)

i already have lighter so i'm gonna try getting hugo since i've gotten every limited S rank thus far

i've mostly been pretty lucky with my 50/50s but i only have like 30-40 pulls so worst comes to worst i might have to pull out the credit card, we'll see how things turn out though

 

[Naito-desu]

Lighter's stun extension actually boosts Hugo's Totalize damage so he's really good for him. I'd love to get Hugo but I'm saving for Yi Xuan unfortunately. Maybe on a rerun. I already have Lighter thankfully.

 

[the_doctor]

i already have lighter so i'm gonna try getting hugo since i've gotten every limited S rank thus far

i've mostly been pretty lucky with my 50/50s but i only have like 30-40 pulls so worst comes to worst i might have to pull out the credit card, we'll see how things turn out though

Good luck buddy

 

[the_doctor]

Btw, how do we get notifications from a thread?

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

I’ll need to check it again if I forgot anything noteworthy but the 2.0 Special Program gave some interesting with new stuff to look forward to such as Perception Techniques for Phaethon (Limited Disintegration and Enhanced Senses?), Miasma and its effects, Yi Xuan’s ink-based Ether attribute, Pan’s fighting style is striking Pressure Points and applying debuffs, and Ellen receiving a buff in a additional moves.

 

[Naito-desu]

ZZZ: Bullets and more are deflected

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Another calc I made in my spare time, nothing revolutionary but it does reinforce Hypersonic ZZZ

 

[the_doctor]

I don't really know how to calc speed, but seems fine.

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Another calc I made in my spare time, nothing revolutionary but it does reinforce Hypersonic ZZZ

Nice, btw forgot if it was brought up before but do ya think anything from the Trigger Character Demo, easily completely evade and deflect bullets, would be neat to note?

If anything it’s at least an clear example non blade agent deflecting bullets outside of gameplay.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Nice, btw forgot if it was brought up before but do ya think anything from the Trigger Character Demo, easily completely evade and deflect bullets, would be neat to note?

If anything it’s at least an clear example non blade agent deflecting bullets outside of gameplay.

bullet timing is a pretty consistent thing for the verse at this point, we've seen it in multiple character demos and teasers (grace, ellen, caesar, S11, etc.) so i don't reaaally feel like it's anything super noteworthy imo

always good to just have it as more support though

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

bullet timing is a pretty consistent thing for the verse at this point, we've seen it in multiple character demos and teasers (grace, ellen, caesar, S11, etc.) so i don't reaaally feel like it's anything super noteworthy imo

always good to just have it as more support though

Yeah, it’s consistent. Mainly remembered Trigger more than S11, Grace and Caesar due to it being quite a bit since their release and Agent Story.

Btw, anyone remember any notable Ether stuff in Season 1? I’m gonna try my hand at making a page for Ether given it’s a main power source and resource within the verse and it’ll be useful to see if feats like the Bringer storm feat can scale to him in general.
Ain’t no issue if you don’t recall much as it’s we gotta wait for 2.0, which is likely gonna go more into Ether what with things such as the abilities Wise/Belle gain from their use of Ether and the main Hollow of 2.0 having Miasma.

This is the WIP I’ve done thus far

 

[Naito-desu]

All playable characters can tank hits from Ether infused lightning, which can completely vaporize normal people (0.068 – 0.072 Tons of TNT)

Found this on the Miyabi and Chihiro blog, what do you think about this feat?

 

[Sooshirohl]

Found this on the Miyabi and Chihiro blog, what do you think about this feat?

seems fine to me, i don't have any qualms with it also that clip of the guard just running and immediately dying is kinda funny ngl

Yeah, it’s consistent. Mainly remembered Trigger more than S11, Grace and Caesar due to it being quite a bit since their release and Agent Story.

Btw, anyone remember any notable Ether stuff in Season 1? I’m gonna try my hand at making a page for Ether given it’s a main power source and resource within the verse and it’ll be useful to see if feats like the Bringer storm feat can scale to him in general.
Ain’t no issue if you don’t recall much as it’s we gotta wait for 2.0, which is likely gonna go more into Ether what with things such as the abilities Wise/Belle gain from their use of Ether and the main Hollow of 2.0 having Miasma.

This is the WIP I’ve done thus far

i think you covered a lot in regards to ether, like you said we'll probably learn more about it in 2.0 onward but i guess if i had to note anything

• new areas are constantly generated within hollows (maybe that could be listed as some kind of creation? unless that also falls into the camp of reality warping)
• the sacrifice core (which should be made up of ether given it comes from a sacrifice) supposedly has the power to cause "mass destruction" to new eridu should it be used for that purpose
• hollows can also cause electronic devices to malfunction
• etheric energy can be manipulated and in it's first showing, we see it used to halt the effects of ether corruption
• lycaon explains that "the etheric energy within the proxies' bodies affected vivian's condition and the surrounding etheric particles, causing vivian's corruption to recede"
• "corruption is a reaction between the etheric particles inside the body and in the surrounding environment. therefore, it's not necessarily irreversible, only preventable"

 

[Sooshirohl]

Spoiler

holy shit, miyabi vs. yixuan absolute banger

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Spoiler

Spoiler

Nice way to show that she indeed is on par with Void Hunters and we now we can see the other current VH as likely being comparable to Miyabi given someone at the level can clash evenly with her, sounds obvious but I’ve seen people believe Miyabi to be the strongest current VH despite us having zero information on the others.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Spoiler

holy shit, miyabi vs. yixuan absolute banger

decided to go through rq and list off some notable feats/other things from the demo cause i think it had really impressive showings for both yixuan and miyabi

Spoiler: YIXUAN CHARACTER DEMO

• yixuan runs really fast and kills an entire street full of ethereals (0:40)
• yixuan creates some spike looking thingies to stop miyabi right as she's about to attack her (1:06)
• yixuan jumps(?) really high from the looks of it (1:26)
• miyabi also jumps like, really really high (1:30)
• miyabi moves REALLY fast and cuts a giant pillar in half (1:38)
• miyabi moves fast enough to be a blur and creates afterimages (1:58)
• miyabi gets sent flying into a pillar by yixuan's attack (2:11)
• she shrugs the attack off and then proceeds to completely cut through her attack (2:17)
• yixuan reacts(?) fast enough to summon her wings right as miyabi's about to attack her (2:24)
• miyabi and dodge's yixuans projectile attacks, again moving fast enough to create afterimages. the force of said attacks easily penetrate straight through solid stone/concrete and heavily damage a large building (2:38)
• miyabi unsheating tailless exudes massive aura (literally) (3:00)
• miyabi generates lightning by charging up tailless (3:14)
• the force of her dashing forward is enough to destroy the ground beneath her and send giant chunks of rock flying into the air (3:16)
• yixuan weaves and dodges all of miyabi's ranged slashes (3:22), with one of the particularly larger slashes creating a large explosion (3:24)
• the force of yixuan and miyabi's collision creates a giant explosion, which ends up breaking the simulation world they're fighting in (3:27)