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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

I've ported over my Vivian profile and improved it a bit. I'll probably be doing the same for the other Agents i've done. As always, do tell me if i missed something or could explain something better grfrgfrfgr—

Also, i tried inserting the game icons in the techniques section, felt like it'd make it "prettier" or smth lol
 
ItzLivyx said:
I've ported over my Vivian profile and improved it a bit. I'll probably be doing the same for the other Agents i've done. As always, do tell me if i missed something or could explain something better grfrgfrfgr—

Also, i tried inserting the game icons in the techniques section, felt like it'd make it "prettier" or smth lol
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that's a really nice touch actually, i dig it

might steal that idea and work it into the pre-existing profiles ngl
 
CRT approved, anyone wanna partake in the wonderful task of updating all our Speed ratings?
 
I'm still wondering if there'll be no upscale to Mach 25 (for section 6 at the VERY least) considering the calc is REAL close to that

Anyway when i get up i'll update my profiles at leas
 
I don't really know about that tbh. We still have like 175 m/s to go to close that gap into Mach 25. I'd rather play it safe and keep things as is and as they were worded in the CRT. We can revisit in the future.
 
Naito-desu said:
I don't really know about that tbh. We still have like 175 m/s to go to close that gap into Mach 25. I'd rather play it safe and keep things as is and as they were worded in the CRT. We can revisit in the future.
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Fair enough. I was curious about this since MHA upscaled to lightspeed from a 79% SOL calc, so i thought it'd be fair to do the upscale considering the smaller value tbh lol
 
High Hypersonic could work but the CRT's already been approved. I'll save it for a bigger CRT where we can achieve multiple rating changes at once and also give us breathing room to rest since there's a ton of profiles to be made
 
I think i'm done with Hugo's profile (minus some gifs ofc), but i was wondering if we should let him keep the Vital View thing, or still leave it as a possibly/likely? Asking since his NPC fights allow him to activate it

I think that's the last thing before i post his profile + Vivian's lol
 
ItzLivyx said:
I think i'm done with Hugo's profile (minus some gifs ofc), but i was wondering if we should let him keep the Vital View thing, or still leave it as a possibly/likely? Asking since his NPC fights allow him to activate it

I think that's the last thing before i post his profile + Vivian's lol
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i mean he is the one who literally uses it during his boss fight, and he's the reason why non-evasive agents even have it so, yeah i think it's fine tbh lol

personally i think i'd list his intelligence as "at least gifted, possibly genius." his feats of manipulation and deception throughout both parts of the season 1 epilogue i feel are enough to warrant that imo

he should also 100% have social influencing. social position/reputation, deception, and charisma definitely fit him well. i think you could probably also make arguments for instigating fear and coercion as well

aside from that, i think everything else looks fine to me
 
Sooshirohl said:
i mean he is the one who literally uses it during his boss fight, and he's the reason why non-evasive agents even have it so, yeah i think it's fine tbh lol

personally i think i'd list his intelligence as "at least gifted, possibly genius." his feats of manipulation and deception throughout both parts of the season 1 epilogue i feel are enough to warrant that imo

he should also 100% have social influencing. social position/reputation, deception, and charisma definitely fit him well. i think you could probably also make arguments for instigating fear and coercion as well

aside from that, i think everything else looks fine to me
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Alright i've applied the changes, thank you for the feedback🤗🤗
 
So just to recap, for factions w/ 3-4 members we've got:
  1. Cunning Hares
  2. Belobog Industries
  3. Public Security
  4. Victoria Housekeeping
  5. Section 6
  6. Sons of Calydon
  7. Yunkui Summit
  8. Spook Shack
  9. Obol Squad
We might be able to do a team-based tournament for fun lol, although Yunkui Summit and Section 6 would be heavily nerfed unfortunately by virtue of their best folks being excluded lol
 
Naito-desu said:
We might be able to do a team-based tournament for fun lol, although Yunkui Summit and Section 6 would be heavily nerfed unfortunately by virtue of their best folks being excluded lol
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Wouldn’t Section 6 in its entirety be excluded then? Like they are far weaker but still scale to VH level enemies like second form Sacrifice Bringer and Nineveh.

Promise Soukaku food if she wins and she’ll probably solo any Faction aside from Yunkui Summit
 
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ZZZ scaling is messy and I'm personally not keen on scaling Section 6 to whatever Miyabi gets if we want to keep Void Hunter tier as a serious separation from regular agents.
 
Naito-desu said:
ZZZ scaling is messy and I'm personally not keen on scaling Section 6 to whatever Miyabi gets if we want to keep Void Hunter tier as a serious separation from regular agents.
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Does anyone have any scaling to Section 6 atm? We got a not all out Harumasa being stated by Miyabi to be a difficult opponent, Harumasa and Yanagi directly fighting and repelling Nineveh and them keeping up in the battle with a second form Bringer alongside Miyabi.

I’d understand not scaling Ju Fufu and Pan Yinhu for aiding Yixuan against Miasma Priest given their her disciples or The Defiler to Yixuan given Ophie and Magus clashed with her beam, who Yixuan stated she could probably stomp even if they had the aid of all the Defense Force in Waifei Peninsula and I’m pretty sure Orphie said they managed to easily win due to Yixuan.
 
Merovakh and the Defiler are the same person, though, so we'd have to scale them to Void Hunter tier anyway. Yixuan's intervened in a lot of battles that picked up the slack of regular Agents against powerful Ethereals. Miasmic Fiend for example, was fighting Spook Shack and Spook Shack held their own fairly well, and she has her own reasons to at least be comparable due to being formed from the memories of Yijiang as well as not being completely cakewalked by Yixuan

Secondly, Ju Fufu and Pan Yinhu being her disciples as the sole reasoning for being inferior wouldn't really hold up, given Ye Shunguang is also a disciple and became a literal Void Hunter at that. We can wait for the lore to drop, but there isn't a super strong reason yet on why being a disciple would deny them of that.

Lastly, Harumasa statement is a vague one from Miyabi who could be speaking from a number of angles like the progression of his corruption, or sentimental reasons. Accompanied by the fact that this was in response to Harumasa's own confidence that Miyabi could beat 100 of him, I wouldn't take it at face value.

That's why ZZZ scaling is messy.
 
Thanks a lot for the help!

Also 8-A Void Hunters real y'all
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Finally.. after a years of waiting... the 8-A miyabi is REAL!! shes free from tier eight sea!!!!!
 
Naito-desu said:
Merovakh and the Defiler are the same person, though, so we'd have to scale them to Void Hunter tier anyway. Yixuan's intervened in a lot of battles that picked up the slack of regular Agents against powerful Ethereals. Miasmic Fiend for example, was fighting Spook Shack and Spook Shack held their own fairly well, and she has her own reasons to at least be comparable due to being formed from the memories of Yijiang as well as not being completely cakewalked by Yixuan

Secondly, Ju Fufu and Pan Yinhu being her disciples as the sole reasoning for being inferior wouldn't really hold up, given Ye Shunguang is also a disciple and became a literal Void Hunter at that. We can wait for the lore to drop, but there isn't a super strong reason yet on why being a disciple would deny them of that.

Lastly, Harumasa statement is a vague one from Miyabi who could be speaking from a number of angles like the progression of his corruption, or sentimental reasons. Accompanied by the fact that this was in response to Harumasa's own confidence that Miyabi could beat 100 of him, I wouldn't take it at face value.
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Miasma Priest and Defiler are treated as separate forms and have a different moveset from what I recall, one fought Yixuan and I don’t believe is stated to be easy while the Defiler was stated to be easy thanks to the aid of Yixuan by Orphie and we know said characters the Defiler clashed with are immensely inferior to Yixuan.

The Miasmic Fiend as you mentioned struggled against Spook Shack and was only a issue due to its regenerative ability, otherwise it was against emotionally affected Yixuan that could be said she wasn’t at her best. It’s lore is pretty much that’s its just a imitation and a mere pawn.

Fair point on the disciples but Ju Fufu and Pan Yinhu I feel lack the hype Section 6 got as a group.

I doubt Miyabi spoke from a sentimental reason given she flat out chose him because he was strong and I don’t know the context of him saying Miyabi Vs 100 of him, could he just be joking while putting down his own strength? Harumasa still beat a Miniboss Ethereal, Thracian, while immensely progressively weakened state, repelled Nineveh with Yanagi, fought second form Bringer and is hyped up by the serious Miyabi.
I could more understand Yanagi and Soukaku but I feel Section 6 can far downscale from VH tier until we have reason saying they’d be in line with other Agents.

Also very nice on the 8-A ZZZ, now I can make Bringer, Nineveh, Gepetto and Isolde.
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Fair point on the disciples but Ju Fufu and Pan Yinhu I feel lack the hype Section 6 got as a group.

I doubt Miyabi spoke from a sentimental reason given she flat out chose him because he was strong and I don’t know the context of him saying Miyabi Vs 100 of him, could he just be joking while putting down his own strength? Harumasa still beat a Miniboss Ethereal, Thracian, while immensely progressively weakened state, repelled Nineveh with Yanagi, fought second form Bringer and is hyped up by the serious Miyabi.
I could more understand Yanagi and Soukaku but I feel Section 6 can far downscale from VH tier until we have reason saying they’d be in line with other Agents.
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yes section 6 is very strong. now when do we make the crt for Harumasa to be 8-A
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Miasma Priest and Defiler are treated as separate forms and have a different moveset from what I recall, one fought Yixuan and I don’t believe is stated to be easy while the Defiler was stated to be easy thanks to the aid of Yixuan by Orphie and we know said characters the Defiler clashed with are immensely inferior to Yixuan.

The Miasmic Fiend as you mentioned struggled against Spook Shack and was only a issue due to its regenerative ability, otherwise it was against emotionally affected Yixuan that could be said she wasn’t at her best. It’s lore is pretty much that’s its just a imitation and a mere pawn.

Fair point on the disciples but Ju Fufu and Pan Yinhu I feel lack the hype Section 6 got as a group.

I doubt Miyabi spoke from a sentimental reason given she flat out chose him because he was strong and I don’t know the context of him saying Miyabi Vs 100 of him, could he just be joking while putting down his own strength? Harumasa still beat a Miniboss Ethereal, Thracian, while immensely progressively weakened state, repelled Nineveh with Yanagi, fought second form Bringer and is hyped up by the serious Miyabi.
I could more understand Yanagi and Soukaku but I feel Section 6 can far downscale from VH tier until we have reason saying they’d be in line with other Agents.

Also very nice on the 8-A ZZZ, now I can make Bringer, Nineveh, Gepetto and Isolde.
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i think the rest of section 6 downscaling from miyabi is probably fine. at the very least, both yanagi and harumasa have feats and statements supporting the idea that they're basically sub VH level. if i were to remake their profiles i'd probably just label them as "8-C, possibly up to 8-A" or something like that
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Miasma Priest and Defiler are treated as separate forms and have a different moveset from what I recall, one fought Yixuan and I don’t believe is stated to be easy while the Defiler was stated to be easy thanks to the aid of Yixuan by Orphie and we know said characters the Defiler clashed with are immensely inferior to Yixuan.
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Yeah, but it doesn't make sense for Isolde to stage a coup and face them again with her Defiler form being weaker than the Miasmic Priest.
Infinity_Dragon said:
I doubt Miyabi spoke from a sentimental reason given she flat out chose him because he was strong and I don’t know the context of him saying Miyabi Vs 100 of him, could he just be joking while putting down his own strength? Harumasa still beat a Miniboss Ethereal, Thracian, while immensely progressively weakened state, repelled Nineveh with Yanagi, fought second form Bringer and is hyped up by the serious Miyabi.
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This was said in the span of the same conversation that Miyabi said she'd be worried about a serious Harumasa. Granted, he's likely trying to slack off, but the same can be said that Miyabi only respects his strength, and that this isn't a serious assessment of his strength. The other feats are still fairly achievable from an 8-C standpoint if you just consider the fact that Miyabi carried them throughout the fight the way Yixuan did.

Nineveh is a spotty issue because I don't explicitly recall Section 6 ever directly fighting Nineveh, and Nineveh tanking a slash from Miyabi before just flying away? That wasn't ever really resolved, and Nineveh remains spotty in terms of how it applies to Section 6.

Also, there's the narrative of the Cunning Hares and Section 6's standoff. You could argue that the Cunning Hares could lose, but the narrative tension would disappear if we just took it as such.

Fundamentally, I just disagree with the premise of Section 6 being 8-A, only because of the precedent it sets and the messiness it will add to the scaling. I feel like the supporting evidence with the assumptions made to dismiss others in similar circumstances feels too arbitrary.
 
Naito-desu said:
Yeah, but it doesn't make sense for Isolde to stage a coup and face them again with her Defiler form being weaker than the Miasmic Priest.

This was said in the span of the same conversation that Miyabi said she'd be worried about a serious Harumasa. Granted, he's likely trying to slack off, but the same can be said that Miyabi only respects his strength, and that this isn't a serious assessment of his strength. The other feats are still fairly achievable from an 8-C standpoint if you just consider the fact that Miyabi carried them throughout the fight the way Yixuan did.

Nineveh is a spotty issue because I don't explicitly recall Section 6 ever directly fighting Nineveh, and Nineveh tanking a slash from Miyabi before just flying away? That wasn't ever really resolved, and Nineveh remains spotty in terms of how it applies to Section 6.

Also, there's the narrative of the Cunning Hares and Section 6's standoff. You could argue that the Cunning Hares could lose, but the narrative tension would disappear if we just took it as such.

Fundamentally, I just disagree with the premise of Section 6 being 8-A, only because of the precedent it sets and the messiness it will add to the scaling. I feel like the supporting evidence with the assumptions made to dismiss others in similar circumstances feels too arbitrary.
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I am being cautious with the scaling to prevent a mess, which is why I take them IIRC saying the Defiler was an easy victory due to Yixuan and the clash seriously on Orphie and Magus. Miasma Priest got no issue on that unless I’m misremembering.

I don’t see literally any reason though for Miyabi to over exaggerate Harumasa’s strength.

Yanagi and Harumasa directly fought Nineveh in a operation with the Defense Force.

I don’t see any reason to take the CH standstill with as any reason to disprove scaling S6 above them, pretty sure they knew they were gonna lose and a desperate attempt to prevent the Proxy from being captured.

Again, I’m also cautiously scaling them atm but until I see a reason to just straight up put them in line with other Agents, I think their fine to scale atm.
 
Sooshirohl said:
i think the rest of section 6 downscaling from miyabi is probably fine. at the very least, both yanagi and harumasa have feats and statements supporting the idea that they're basically sub VH level. if i were to remake their profiles i'd probably just label them as "8-C, possibly up to 8-A" or something like that
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This is a compromise I can get behind, if only just to create a tier separate and more importantly, below, from Void Hunters just because currently, the justification becomes a case of when a Void Hunter joins the fight, suddenly everyone's 8-A.
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I don’t see literally any reason though for Miyabi to over exaggerate Harumasa’s strength.
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I wasn't saying she was exaggerating, I was saying she respected it. There's a world of difference between "I don't want to fight" and "Harumasa and I are somewhat comparable in strength" and this statement is supposedly being taken as the latter at face value

I'm going to have to see details of that fight involving Harumasa and Yanagi with Nineveh, as "fight" here is doing heavy lifting without any real context to substantiate it.

I'm okay with the idea that they're a tier of their own above regular agents. We have others like other Yunkui Summit members, Banyue, Zhao, and more impressive Agents that need their own distinction, but I don't agree with just slapping the Miyabi calc on them as a singular rating and having them downscale.
 
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