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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread
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just watched the demo, that definitely seems noteworthy, would probably be worth looking into
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Damn, that's genuinely impressive. You could even do KE with this if you took into account the speed they came out of the ground but the size is crazy compared to how they look in game.
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There is no kill like overkilljust watched the demo, that definitely seems noteworthy, would probably be worth looking into
the fact that he did all that against literal fodder ethereals is genuinely hilarious
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Banye has two feats here.
The kicking up rock feat and a speed feat from when he knocked the Ethereal into the air and kicked it down.
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I don’t feel like making a blog so one of yall can do it.
Ethereal’s cores are shown pretty consistently to be larger than a normal humans head.
So I’m going to assume there core is the same size.
Human head is 8inches tall, or 20.32 cm
The Ethereal ball is 264.24cm (2.64m) wide.
The height of the rock formation is 8429.98cm(84.29m)
Formation reached this height in 6 frames, 1/24 = 0.0417
0.0417x6 = 0.25s
Speed is 421.45m/s
I chose a middle ground for the width because it’s all rigid and varying in size so it’d be damn near impossible to measure all points to find their size. Since some points are significantly larger, some smaller, I think it’s safe to use this.
It’s also impossible to find the true depth due to the angle bs.
My measurement is a lowball, so it should be fine to use it like.
Height=84.29m
Width=62.47m
Depth=10.32m
Volume= 54,341.95m3
Mass= 54,341x2550= 138,569,550kg or 152,746.78 tons.
Shit.
KE= 12,306,368,837,189x2 (there’s two rock formations)= 24,612,737,674,378j or 5882.58tons. Barely, BARELY, above baseline 7-C. All scans below.
Ethereal’s cores are shown pretty consistently to be larger than a normal humans head.
So I’m going to assume there core is the same size.
Human head is 8inches tall, or 20.32 cm
The Ethereal ball is 264.24cm (2.64m) wide.
The height of the rock formation is 8429.98cm(84.29m)
Formation reached this height in 6 frames, 1/24 = 0.0417
0.0417x6 = 0.25s
Speed is 421.45m/s
I chose a middle ground for the width because it’s all rigid and varying in size so it’d be damn near impossible to measure all points to find their size. Since some points are significantly larger, some smaller, I think it’s safe to use this.
It’s also impossible to find the true depth due to the angle bs.
My measurement is a lowball, so it should be fine to use it like.
Height=84.29m
Width=62.47m
Depth=10.32m
Volume= 54,341.95m3
Mass= 54,341x2550= 138,569,550kg or 152,746.78 tons.
Shit.
KE= 12,306,368,837,189x2 (there’s two rock formations)= 24,612,737,674,378j or 5882.58tons. Barely, BARELY, above baseline 7-C. All scans below.
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Unless there was something in the 2.4 story (I haven’t played it yet) it only scales to BanyueAin't no way we got tier 7 from rock
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Miyabi MIGHT be the storm that’s approaching.
Container crates average at 274.32cm in height, making bringers wrist 50.72cm.
The Ether slop is 2148.66, the hilt is 210.33
and the entire blade is 69,456.07cm long. Or 694.56m
That’s the distance from Miyabi to Bringer.
Miyabi’s slash hit Bringer in 9frames so 0.375s.
Speed is 1,852.16m/s… in her POV.
In the video bringer’s arm is shown approaching Miyabi and then slowing down tremendously, nearly to a stop, as we switch over to Miyabi’s POV. During Miyabi’s POV we can see that Bringer’s sword is completely froze during the time the slash comes out and hit him. Even as it hit him and his blade shatters, the pieces are moving very slow before time resumes to normal.
Using snail speed formula and assuming bringer is moving 1cm a second
Using peak speed for Bringer’s swing.
(10.03/.01)x1,852.16 = 1,857,716.48m/s…. Mach 5416. MHS+
Oh boy.
Since we don’t know what exactly this slash is made of, should be ether energy but we don’t know how dense that is, we have to calculate to KE of the air it had to move along its path.
Length would be the distance to bringer, width would be the size of the container ship it’s shown to be that wide while it’s sliding across the water, and height is measured below.
Length=694.56m
Width=50m
Height=78.42m.
Assuming rectangular prism volume= 2,723,369.76m3
Density of air is 1.225kgm3
Mass= 3,336,127.95kg.
KE= 5.7566731322616E+18 joules, High 7-A
Edit:
KE using Miyabi’s speed without snail formula is 5,722,287,904,245J low 7-C
Container crates average at 274.32cm in height, making bringers wrist 50.72cm.
The Ether slop is 2148.66, the hilt is 210.33
and the entire blade is 69,456.07cm long. Or 694.56m
That’s the distance from Miyabi to Bringer.
Miyabi’s slash hit Bringer in 9frames so 0.375s.
Speed is 1,852.16m/s… in her POV.
In the video bringer’s arm is shown approaching Miyabi and then slowing down tremendously, nearly to a stop, as we switch over to Miyabi’s POV. During Miyabi’s POV we can see that Bringer’s sword is completely froze during the time the slash comes out and hit him. Even as it hit him and his blade shatters, the pieces are moving very slow before time resumes to normal.
Using snail speed formula and assuming bringer is moving 1cm a second
Using peak speed for Bringer’s swing.
(10.03/.01)x1,852.16 = 1,857,716.48m/s…. Mach 5416. MHS+
Oh boy.
Since we don’t know what exactly this slash is made of, should be ether energy but we don’t know how dense that is, we have to calculate to KE of the air it had to move along its path.
Length would be the distance to bringer, width would be the size of the container ship it’s shown to be that wide while it’s sliding across the water, and height is measured below.
Length=694.56m
Width=50m
Height=78.42m.
Assuming rectangular prism volume= 2,723,369.76m3
Density of air is 1.225kgm3
Mass= 3,336,127.95kg.
KE= 5.7566731322616E+18 joules, High 7-A
Edit:
KE using Miyabi’s speed without snail formula is 5,722,287,904,245J low 7-C
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Good method, although I could actually measure Ethereal cores in Blender and get a more accurate height. Seems to be about 37.6546cm
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Also 84.29/0.25 would be 337.16 m/s, if that's what you were trying to do. Anyway, here's my revised method using your method but with the Blender-measurement:
I've re-quoted your original text and replaced the dimensions and volume with the new, appropriately scaled values, and calculated the new speed using the derived method.
I've re-quoted your original text and replaced the dimensions and volume with the new, appropriately scaled values, and calculated the new speed using the derived method.
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The blender scan you showed measured the entire head, no?
It may look like it I’m doing the whole head, but in my scan I’m actually measuring the core only. It’s just the the arrows are a little wide at the ends, so it looks like I’m doing the whole head.
And yeah, think I multiplied by 5 instead of 4.
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I did have that impression about the arrows, yeah, yours should be fine then. I'll do my own rendition with the proper measurement and post it and have it eval'd
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so two 7-C feats/potentially a high 7-A feat, plus a MHS+ feat. if we use the VV multiplier that'd get into relativistic territory too
can't believe we might finally have the tier 7 VH feats we've been looking for all thanks to someone who isn't even a VH
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and ye shuguang with a fkass cloud splitting feat being tier 6 (too bad its done with spatial manip)
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@BiggestOpp has anyone posted these onto a blog yet? if not i can just do it for youso two 7-C feats/potentially a high 7-A feat, plus a MHS+ feat. if we use the VV multiplier that'd get into relativistic territory too
can't believe we might finally have the tier 7 VH feats we've been looking for all thanks to someone who isn't even a VH
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Naoto said he’d do his own ver. and post it in a blog so it’s up to you.
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Logistically speaking, it'd be fine if you posted one and I approved but that'd come off as biased so I'll just do it myself and have it approved first.
Also just got started on a Section 6 profile, it takes stuff from Belobog so it's not quite finished
vsbattles.fandom.com
Also just got started on a Section 6 profile, it takes stuff from Belobog so it's not quite finished
Naito-desu/Section 6-7
vsbattles.fandom.com
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fair enough, i'll let you take care of it thenLogistically speaking, it'd be fine if you posted one and I approved but that'd come off as biased so I'll just do it myself and have it approved first.
Also just got started on a Section 6 profile, it takes stuff from Belobog so it's not quite finished
Naito-desu/Section 6-7
ItzLivyx
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Since when do we have a Section 7Logistically speaking, it'd be fine if you posted one and I approved but that'd come off as biased so I'll just do it myself and have it approved first.
Also just got started on a Section 6 profile, it takes stuff from Belobog so it's not quite finished
Naito-desu/Section 6-7
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ItzLivyx
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I hate this
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Banyue could either be the new Not Void Hunter tier but close like the rest of Section 6 or close to Void Hunter but chose not to be like Yixuan
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We currently doesn't know much, so it might as well be that.
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Section 6 is NOT close to VH tier
. It should also be noted that there’s levels to this VH shit.
If Yixuan fought Miyabi pre Bringer fight, it would have been a speed blitz stomp in Yixuan’s favor.
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We should make a scaling chain for it tbhSection 6 is NOT close to VH tier
It should also be noted that there’s levels to this VH shit.
If Yixuan fought Miyabi pre Bringer fight, it would have been a speed blitz stomp in Yixuan’s favor.
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67Logistically speaking, it'd be fine if you posted one and I approved but that'd come off as biased so I'll just do it myself and have it approved first.
Also just got started on a Section 6 profile, it takes stuff from Belobog so it's not quite finished
Naito-desu/Section 6-7
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I think I should let you guys know I plan on downgrading all the chain scaling in the profiles.
A lot of them are baseless and or missing scans.
Such as a lot of the scaling off of Jester.
There’s no precedence for this.
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Logistically speaking, it'd be fine if you posted one and I approved but that'd come off as biased so I'll just do it myself and have it approved first.
Also just got started on a Section 6 profile, it takes stuff from Belobog so it's not quite finished
Naito-desu/Section 6-7
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There's absolutely no reason to think Banyue approaches Void Hunter tier.
There's statements and actions which clearly show he's beyond the level of the likes of Spookshack
There's statements and actions which clearly show he's beyond the level of the likes of Spookshack
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i think banyue being a step above the general cast is probably fine, he's obviously not VH tier but imo he's definitely like sub VH tier
if i were to make a scaling chain i'd personally frame it something like
VH tier (miyabi, yixuan, ye shunguang)
gap
sub-VH tier (banyue, the rest of section 6)
gap
the rest of the agents
i still feel like a majority of the cast being relative to one another is fine, i guess if you really want you can get into the nitty gritty of it and try to figure out who's stronger than who but i think the series does enough to show that most factions should at the very least be relatively on par with each other. don't think there's that much of a gap between most factions outside of the VH tiers imo
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I don't think there's any reason to believe the rest of the cast is hyper relative to any distinguishable degree other than the fact that some have really impressive feats while others don't.
We know for a fact Soldier 11 is objectively weaker than Anby and it's repeatedly implied that it's not close.
We've seen Spookshack admit inferiority to Big Daddy
Jane and Seth struggled against Razor, yet Lighter could fight gangs of over 50+ Hollow Raiders solo without problem.
We know for a fact Soldier 11 is objectively weaker than Anby and it's repeatedly implied that it's not close.
We've seen Spookshack admit inferiority to Big Daddy
Jane and Seth struggled against Razor, yet Lighter could fight gangs of over 50+ Hollow Raiders solo without problem.
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i mean fair, but even still i don't think most factions should be like, entire tiers apart. if we use the heretic jester feat as an example and say spook shack scales to that, you could say like, the sons of calydon could upscale from that for example, and pubsec could downscale from that. in any case, i don't personally think the gaps between certain characters and factions is so extreme to the point where one faction should be like, 8-C while another is 9-B for example
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If i can express my thoughts, then i think my main issue with our current chainscaling is with characters like Astra and Evelyn. These two are only really shown defeating generic, weak ethereals that scale around 9-C/9-B, and in Evelyn's case, a group of humans and a war machine... which iirc she had to lock in to actually put down, and has no sacrifice-level strength from what i know. Now I don't know about the rest, but i feel like at the VERY least, Stars of Lyra should not be 8-C (and probably other agents shouldn't as well), and should probably be 9-B or 9-A (idk about this last one though).
Also since we're on this topic, if the characters do keep their 8-C ratings, shouldn't agents like Evelyn and others have it as a "Possibly/Likely 8-C" instead? I mean, our current justifications only state that they are "likely" comparable to other agents..
Also since we're on this topic, if the characters do keep their 8-C ratings, shouldn't agents like Evelyn and others have it as a "Possibly/Likely 8-C" instead? I mean, our current justifications only state that they are "likely" comparable to other agents..
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I think we should rework the sacrifice scaling as well.
Not all sacrifices are the same and Jester isn’t noted anywhere to be a weak sacrifice (iirc).
They shouldn’t even have a possibly, in my opinion. As far as I’m aware, there isn’t an inkling of evidence that’d suggest a lot these agents are relative. We should only be scaling based on what we know.
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fair enough, we did have pubsec lower than the other factions and we were gonna have the stars of lyra lower too, but we kind of just defaulted to most agents being the same tier. if a CRT is in the works to properly sort agents/factions and put them in the right tiers then that should be fine
my line of thinking was mainly just the fact that agents across multiple factions have been able to fight against sacrifices. spook shack were able to hold off/fight the heretic jester, and belobog was able to fight a sacrifice that had absorbed multiple of belobog's machines. i don't think there's any reason to assume that certain sacrifices should be weaker than others, even if you wanna consider the sacrifice belobog fought individually weaker than the heretic jester i think it absorbing belobog's machinery at the very least brought them up to par
i can see why that line of thinking is flawed though. i think another issue sort of just lies in the fact that we just generally don't have a lot of feats for the verse atm, so we kind of just either have to stick agents at DEB tier or HJ tier. if we wanna take the time out to properly rate all the agents/factions to figure out what tier would work best for them, i'd be fine with that
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I'm not the biggest fan of using gameplay to scale characters so i'd probably just scale them to whatever they've shown or are stated to be relative to. But for starters, factions like Stars of Lyra and PubSec would prob end up in 9-B just fine thanks to the references for common feats page in the wiki i believe. PubSec and Stars of Lyra would scale above weak ethereals which can destroy doors (Hati ethereals) and wooden crates (Faun and Tyrfing. This one also includes gameplay iirc though but it's supportive so who cares), both 9-B. Also Evelyn beating up a machine so that also counts lol. I'd prefer this over them being 9-A (or higher) solely because they can, idk, keep up against the DEB or other boss in-game or something. But that's just my opinion.
