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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

Naito-desu said:
Playing the story and I'm interested in Ramiel's paralysis ability, seems to be Ether based, which along with how Ether corrupts to begin with, might suggest Ether can be used for Verse Equalization
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considering what lycaon said in S1's epilogue about every living being having ether particles inside of them (which includes constructs like billy given he was also frozen by remielle's feathers), it kinda does just seem like something that would naturally lend itself to verse equalization yeah. iirc her feathers are described as essentially stripping all of the innate ether within someone away, which essentially just puts them into stasis. seems like it'd be reaaaally OP in cross-verse MUs as essentially an instantenous incap option
 
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son 😭😭😭😭😭
 
Also that "Anti-Void Hunter Mech" was disappointing as hell, it's a retexture of an existing enemy, which ig they already had to model Mutated Phaethon A & B
 
Naito-desu said:

We have two LS calcs approved so we can see Void Hunter levels with higher end Class M to possibly Class G (Though I'd personally just restrict this to Banyue's earth manip)
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Second calc didn't account for her halting the momentum of the giant ball instantly btw
 
LaserPrecision said:
I don't see that value in the blog. Also might be better to pixelscale how much her arms budged stopping it instead of assuming 10 centimeters.
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The issue is that the point of impact uses a far shot instead of a close-up and the entire time she's wrestling it, it only begins to budge when it gets smaller. So I don't think that's feasible
 
Naito-desu said:
The issue is that the point of impact uses a far shot instead of a close-up and the entire time she's wrestling it, it only begins to budge when it gets smaller. So I don't think that's feasible
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When it impacts you can actually see her from the side. It doesn't zoom out right away. Tbh it didn't really look like her arm moved any notable distance buuut I'd personally say you can get away with 1cm. Or I guess at worst you can calculate deceleration by counting how many frames it took to stop its movement (The vid is 60 fps, I assume that's also the native frame rate of the game since I imagine most modern mobile games like that are).
 
Naito-desu said:

We have two LS calcs approved so we can see Void Hunter levels with higher end Class M to possibly Class G (Though I'd personally just restrict this to Banyue's earth manip)
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if we can get the anton boulder calcs approved then we can roll out a LS CRT for the entire verse, though i'd also like to take that opportunity to add some new abilities to agent profiles (yixuan paralysis inducement, miyabi NPI, etc etc)
 
True, so if we try:
a = (Vf - Vi)/t

Where:
Vf = Final velocity
Vi = Initial velocity
t = time taken to decelerate

I estimated the time taken to decelerate by measuring the duration between the point of impact glowing and when the shot changes

We'd have:

a = (0 - 6.908933432 m/s)/(11frames/60fps)
a = - 6.908933432 m/s)/(11/60)
a = -37.6850914473 m/s2

F = m*a

F = 454,472,000 kg * -37.6850914473 = -17,126,818,880.2 Newtons of force

2052782301.32/9,806.65 = -1,746,449.48889 ton force (Class G)
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It's negative because force is a vector quantity so we'll just use the absolute value

Also wanted to post a separate rant on how ZZZ does unique BS every update but if it's not your cup of tea, you're stuck playing BS for polychromes
 
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Naito-desu said:
Also wanted to post a separate rant on how ZZZ does unique BS every update but if it's not your cup of tea, you're stuck playing BS for polychromes
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Nitpick for me is why they can’t do shill/general buffs at the same time.
Ex:
Anomaly dmg increases by 20%.
If agent triggers attribute anomaly, increases AP by 30 and ATK by 25% for X seconds.
If Agent is Ice element and triggers abloom, reduce enemy Ice resistance by 20% and increase abloom DMG by 10% for X seconds.
The base buff applies to everyone, including the shill unit, so all agents in that archetype are still viable and it’s not shit to play. The shill agents get the additional exclusive buff too so they can still be the star of the patch.

Instead it’s literally all shill buff with the rest of the agents getting scraps, sometimes nothing.
There’s 3 DPS types in the game and 3 bosses for each DA rotation.
Make a buff for each dmg type? Nope, 2 anomaly buffs and they’re only usable on two units (doesn’t affect me rn but I know ts gets annoying to other players).
It’s hard boss.
I get gacha blah blah monetization slop. But like shit I don’t think anyone genuinely pulls for a character because endgame gets to hard. I think the majority of people are smarter than that. It doesn’t make me want to pull for a specific character, it just pisses me off.
i play zzz for 3 things.
DA, powerscaling and a couple of characters.
Powerscaling this game is hard asf cus ZZZ devs won’t give us shit.
Characters are getting progressively worse imo.
DA is just gimp after gimp slop fest. Devs please stop doing this to me 🫩
 
Naito-desu said:
Has anyone gotten a picture of the "Void Hunter-level threat" that Yixuan fought that stalled her?
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afaik i don't think that was ever really expanded on, i saw some people theorizing that it was remielle but i don't really see what reason remielle would have to go out of her way to stop yixuan. who knows though
 
I'm trying to remember what event happened before Yixuan said this and what stake they had in stalling her
 
Naito-desu said:
I'm trying to remember what event happened before Yixuan said this and what stake they had in stalling her
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it was in 2.5's main story right after shungus recovers from losing her senses to the qingming sword (copypasting the dialogue from the wiki)

Everything is finally explained to Yixuan Shifu...
Though the part about Ye Shiyuan is still left unmentioned for the time being.
Yixuan: ...I see, no wonder you didn't want to tell me about Xiao'Guang's condition earlier.
Yixuan: Anyway, at least things seem to have turned out well in the end.
Yixuan: Xiao'Guang wouldn't have recovered without you, (‍Wise / Belle‍).
Lu Hengzhou: ...Just cleaning up the mess they made themselves.
Ye Shunguang: By the way... we couldn't contact you for quite a while, Shifu. Did something happen?
Yixuan: I was supposed to be here sooner. I tried to take a shortcut through a few Hollows, but I ran into trouble in one of them... so it took me a bit longer.
Lu Hengzhou: Not just "a bit longer." To be precise, you were trapped by an unknown enemy and were completely out of contact for a while.
Ju Fufu: Trapped?! Who the heck could possibly trap you?
Yixuan: They were extremely cautious in hiding their tracks, and I haven't found any clues yet.
Yixuan: However, judging from our brief encounter, they're definitely not weaker than me.
Yixuan: They were as strong as any Void Hunter.
Pan Yinhu: A V—V—Void Hunter?! How could you possibly just run into an enemy that strong out on the road...
Lu Hengzhou: Clearly, someone's deliberately targeting Yunkui Summit.
Yixuan: I haven't quite figured that out yet, but we can talk about it later.
Yixuan: Speaking of Void Hunters, you mentioned earlier there's information about Sunbringer inside the Hollow...
Yixuan: Hm... I'll need to discuss this with the mayor.

i think it's possible it was remielle but the thing that throws me off is the "deliberately targeting yunkui summit" part, again i don't really know what reason she'd have to go out of her way to stall yixuan from returning to the temple
 
Lu Hengzhou's not really reliable given he's a liar and also just self-absorbed surrounding Yunkui Summit. Still, I think this was supposed to be setting up for 3.0 so the prime suspects are either Remielle or somehow, Sunbringer.

I'm thinking Remielle just because she could be investigating the ruins of Sunbringer's former abode. Yixuan, meanwhile was trying to find a way to reverse the corruption iirc and might have caught her on the way home. Remielle had been pretty nosy, including fighting in that Hollow tournament to get that W-Engine. The Qingming plotline in tandem with discovering Thaumiel does link the Proxy to their special interactions with Hollow weaponry so there's a faint thread linking Remielle to it.

Remielle seems to be familiar with the Proxy's condition and what makes them special. It's not impossible to see that she might delay Yixuan in order to let the Proxy's potential unleash itself while going off on their own against her instructions to help heal Ye Shunguang. Plus, the paralysis pretty much would be a pretty good stalling tool and one that would catch her off-guard enough to consider her a threat.
 
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