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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

i think i'm juuuuust about done with a profile for banyue, just gotta go back and add the links for stuff and whatnot. i admittedly wasn't too sure on his stamina and range ratings so if y'all have any thoughts about that or anything else in the sandbox feel free to lmk
 
Sooshirohl said:
i think i'm juuuuust about done with a profile for banyue, just gotta go back and add the links for stuff and whatnot. i admittedly wasn't too sure on his stamina and range ratings so if y'all have any thoughts about that or anything else in the sandbox feel free to lmk
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Masked will note that we currently have no way of scaling his durability in his "Visage of Wrath" state.
You can't really apply Newton's third law to his Earth Manipulation.
Also not sure if it buffs his speed.
You can also use Naito-desu's calc for the range of his Earth Manipulation.

Other than that, it looks solid to Masked.
Thank you for your hard work.
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
Masked will note that we currently have no way of scaling his durability in his "Visage of Wrath" state.
You can't really apply Newton's third law to his Earth Manipulation.
Also not sure if it buffs his speed.
You can also use Naito-desu's calc for the range of his Earth Manipulation.
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the durability point is fair. for speed, i feel like showings like both this and this while he was in the state suggest to me that the state amplifying his speed isn't a super out there assumption imo, though maybe that's just me
 
Sooshirohl said:
updated my banyue profile and also added all the links and stuff, lmk what y'all think and if anything else needs adjusting 🫡
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The Striking Strength is still 7-C, which doesn't really apply, since
He's moving large masses of rock with his Earth Manipulation.

Immortality Type 1 is also somewhat suspect, since robots in ZZZ can break down and decay as they age, requiring maintenance to continue functioning.
As with other robot profiles, Masked would list it as Longevity.

There are other things, but those are mostly personal preference.
As always, thank you for your work.
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
The Striking Strength is still 7-C, which doesn't really apply, since
He's moving large masses of rock with his Earth Manipulation.

Immortality Type 1 is also somewhat suspect, since robots in ZZZ can break down and decay as they age, requiring maintenance to continue functioning.
As with other robot profiles, Masked would list it as Longevity.

There are other things, but those are mostly personal preference.
As always, thank you for your work.
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updated the profile with the recommended changes, also altered the wording a bit on his tiering to coincide better with how his stats are presented 👍
 
MysticBrawler said:
Shouldn't this be Damage Reduction?
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It is listed as
It is not considered Damage Reduction because he is not directly reducing the amount of damage done.
He is increasing his durability instead, which has a similar effect.
MysticBrawler said:
Is it alright if I make profiles for Isolde and the Unfathomable, or is someone already working on them?
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A few of the supporters have been discussing her wave of miasma feat.
They are likely waiting to finalize the details before making a profile for her.

Masked hasn't been fully apprised of the situation, so
We'll wait to see what they have to say.
 
Sooshirohl said:
i don't think anyone's specifically working on enemy/boss profiles atm so knock yourself out
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MaskedDragon908 said:
A few of the supporters have been discussing her wave of miasma feat.
They are likely waiting to finalize the details before making a profile for her.

Masked hasn't been fully apprised of the situation, so
We'll wait to see what they have to say.
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Hmm, I guess I'll just wait for a bit to see if anyone else wants to make Isolde's profile instead.
 
MysticBrawler said:
Is it alright if I make profiles for Isolde and the Unfathomable, or is someone already working on them?
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MysticBrawler said:
Hmm, I guess I'll just wait for a bit to see if anyone else wants to make Isolde's profile instead.
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So I guess I'll just get started with the Unfathomable's profile first then. So before II proceed with that I was wondering what exactly would the Unfathomable be rated as? Cause neither Obol Squad nor the Spook Shack members have profiles right now, and I don't think if it would be right to scale the Unfathomable to Yixuan.
 
MysticBrawler said:
So I guess I'll just get started with the Unfathomable's profile first then. So before II proceed with that I was wondering what exactly would the Unfathomable be rated as? Cause neither Obol Squad nor the Spook Shack members have profiles right now, and I don't think if it would be right to scale the Unfathomable to Yixuan.
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i would say "at least 8-C, likely higher" seems like a safe rating given it took the combined efforts of spook shack to defeat it (plus yixuan nullifying it's healing)
 
MysticBrawler said:
So I guess I'll just get started with the Unfathomable's profile first then. So before II proceed with that I was wondering what exactly would the Unfathomable be rated as? Cause neither Obol Squad nor the Spook Shack members have profiles right now, and I don't think if it would be right to scale the Unfathomable to Yixuan.
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Above jester, iirc by lore she’s just straight up superior than Jester and it’s kinda a given.
 
BiggestOpp said:
Tbf it was a 3v1
Pretty sure spook shack coulda killed MF several times (I think it’s indicated in the dialogue in the first fight?) but she kept reviving herself
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Speaking of which I've also seen some sources labeling the Unfathomable as a Sacrifice monster. I wonder if there's any basis for that. Also would it be accurate to say that the Unfathomable has High-Low to Low-Mid Regeneration?
 
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MysticBrawler said:
Speaking of which I've also seen some sources labeling the Unfathomable as a Sacrifice monster. I wonder if there's any basis for that.
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the way the game describes sacrifices is a bit weird imo. so going off the wiki/in-game descriptions, the two things we know for certain are tied to sacrifices are :

1. they have the ability to operate outside of hollows
2. they're made from the result of human manipulation

the four sacrifices we have confirmed in game are the covenant guardian, the heretic jester, bringer and isolde/the defiler

bringer and defiler were directly affiliated with the exaltists and we literally see both of them turn into sacrifices on screen via their own manipulation. the covenant guardian's description seems to imply that it was a person who willingly let themselves be experimented on by the exaltists, and the heretic jester seems to just be an ethereal made from the exaltists themselves

so it seems that "sacrifices" are just humans who turn into/are turned into ethereals through non-corruptive means, but it also seems like the term is specifically tied to those who are all related to/a part of the exaltists

which then begs the question of why unfathomable isn't listed as a sacrifice when it seems to fit all of the prior descriptions, being quite literally an exaltist created ethereal in the same vein as the heretic jester. dina should also technically fall under the classification of a "sacrifice," but i guess the only reason why she's not considered one is because she just turns into a standard tepes rather than some unique kind of ethereal

twiggy and girl A should also technically be sacrifices but they aren't affiliated with the exaltists so that's my guess as to why they aren't classified under them. unfathomable genuinely has no excuse though, i don't know why it isn't classified as one officially lol
 
Sooshirohl said:
the way the game describes sacrifices is a bit weird imo. so going off the wiki/in-game descriptions, the two things we know for certain are tied to sacrifices are :

1. they have the ability to operate outside of hollows
2. they're made from the result of human manipulation

the four sacrifices we have confirmed in game are the covenant guardian, the heretic jester, bringer and isolde/the defiler

bringer and defiler were directly affiliated with the exaltists and we literally see both of them turn into sacrifices on screen via their own manipulation. the covenant guardian's description seems to imply that it was a person who willingly let themselves be experimented on by the exaltists, and the heretic jester seems to just be an ethereal made from the exaltists themselves

so it seems that "sacrifices" are just humans who turn into/are turned into ethereals through non-corruptive means, but it also seems like the term is specifically tied to those who are all related to/a part of the exaltists

which then begs the question of why unfathomable isn't listed as a sacrifice when it seems to fit all of the prior descriptions, being quite literally an exaltist created ethereal in the same vein as the heretic jester. dina should also technically fall under the classification of a "sacrifice," but i guess the only reason why she's not considered one is because she just turns into a standard tepes rather than some unique kind of ethereal

twiggy and girl A should also technically be sacrifices but they aren't affiliated with the exaltists so that's my guess as to why they aren't classified under them. unfathomable genuinely has no excuse though, i don't know why it isn't classified as one officially lol
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Hmm, if I had to guess I'd say it probably has something to do with the fact that the Unfathomable was stated and shown to have been created from the miasma using a non-living being(i.e. Yixuan's sister's memories) rather than a living being getting transformed into one
 
MysticBrawler said:
Hmm, if I had to guess I'd say it probably has something to do with the fact that the Unfathomable was stated and shown to have been created from the miasma using a non-living being(i.e. Yixuan's sister's memories) rather than a living being getting transformed into one
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i mean that makes sense but heretic jester isn't implied to be a living being either. it's description specifically says that it's an "exaltist creation" and that it was "birthed from miasma" which seems to suggest that it was also just formed from the result of the exaltists messing around and manipulating miasma to artificially create ethereals. unfathomable seems to fall into that exact same boat so i still don't really think it makes sense as to why it isn't classified as a sacrifice
 
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