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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

BlackeJan said:
So legit, Deku HAS to beat AFO or everyone and the future is doomed
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Yeah, since the chances of a proper successor to OFA appearing after Deku are close to none, AFO and Shigaraki need to be permanently defeated in Deku’s life time

The New OFA vs the New AFO is coming
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
I'd consider Black Whip and Danger Sense pretty op already just based off what Deku is able to do with black whip and the potential of Danger Sense itself.

Float is pretty basic, but it shines by meshing ridiculously well with his kit.

The other 3 quirks? I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was more overtly overpowered. 2 and 3 seem likely for really strong quirks since they were there at the beginning of the quirk emergence and might have raw quirks that haven't been messed with crossing genes.
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It's also possible we may be able to predict what those next Quirks could possibly be based on what Horikoshi may be going for. Thus far, all three of the revealed quirks make Izuku's classmates irrelevant in some aspect. OFA Base power, Sato. BlackWhip, Sero, Tsyu. Float, Uraraka, Danger Sense, Jirou, Shoji.

Going forward, I'm confident that one of them will be a transformation/mutant-type Qurk of some kind. So Deku will take notes from the likes of Tokoyami, Ojiro, Mina, Kirishima, etc.

We may also see a projectile/energy projection type Quirk vaguely comparable to the likes of Ayoyama, Mineta, Bakugou.

I'm unsrue about the last one though. It could be a more utilitarian Quirk like Yaoyorzou.

Ultimately, we'll just need to wait and see. The 2'nd and 3'rd users' powers are likely to be pretty meh on their own, when their users were alive. I doubt that early Quirks were OP. But as was the case with BW, would get a significant buff, even moreso when amped by OFA's stockpiled energy.
 
Theory Time: this can be the main reason why Deku has trouble controlling OFA. the moment Deku had gotten OFA, it was already too powerful as it is
 
Actually ... this could explain why Bakugo didn't get the quirk fully. The previous holders knew that OFA would drain the life force of a quirk holder, so the didn't let OFA pass fully on
 
TheRustyOne said:
Izuku only used one attack on Bakugo with 8%, what numerous time are you talking about? He landed one kick, dodged a standard explosion, then both of them jumped into the air where Izuku used a 5% punch. That's literally everything that happened after Izuku went up to 8%

Bakugo could react and perceive the kick, even blocked it just fine. Not being able to dodge his kick but block it, doesn't mean it's almost a blitz. If Bakugo had said something like he can barely track him or something then yeah, that's almost a blitz. But nothing of the sort happened, he just said he had gotten faster.
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Being able to block an attack is far easier and takes less time than being able to dodge it. And he really only stood a chance because he telegraphed his moves to Bakugo. His statement even implies that he would've been blitzed if not for Midoriya being predictable.
 
I see literally nothing Implying he would've gotten blitzed. He may have gotten outpaced but Midoriya was no where close to blitzing. If you get blitzed by someone, you just straight up can't defend yourself no matter how predictable they are. That's what blitzing is.
 
But not being able to block an attack isn't close to a blitz either. Especially considering the context, the 8% speed boost would've caught Bakugo off guard. Since he wouldn't be expecting Izuku's speed to increase at all in that moment. Izuku's own statement of 8% being a small jump even tells us it's not close to a blitz.

"Normally, the boost from 5% to 8% wouldn't really be that much... In that instant, that small difference was enough..."

He even points out how it was in that instant. 8% Izuku was faster than Bakugo, but the difference isn't great.
 
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TheRustyOne said:
But not being able to block an attack isn't close to a blitz either. Especially considering the context, the 8% speed boost would've caught Bakugo off guard. Since he wouldn't be expecting Izuku's speed to increase at all in that moment. Izuku's own statement of 8% being a small jump even tells us it's not close to a blitz.

"Normally, the boost from 5% to 8% wouldn't really be that much... In that instant, that small difference was enough..."

He even points out how it was in that instant. 8% Izuku was faster than Bakugo, but the difference isn't great.
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It is close to a blitz when Bakugo doesn't even have the time to dodge, even after seeing Midoriya's telegraphed movements. It's clear that Midoriya is significantly faster than what Bakugo can compete with.

Midoriya has a habit of underestimating things. Bakugo considered his percentage increase dramatic and said he's "way faster than before" but Midoriya said it was a small increase. At this point, we have to draw the line between 5% only being capable of keeping up with Bakugo and 8% downright almost making a fool of him.
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
I see literally nothing Implying he would've gotten blitzed. He may have gotten outpaced but Midoriya was no where close to blitzing. If you get blitzed by someone, you just straight up can't defend yourself no matter how predictable they are. That's what blitzing is.
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I said Midoriya is close to blitzing Bakugo, I never said he's downright blitzing him. Don't strawman me. He's a lot faster but he's not quite fast enough to the point Bakugo is unable to react. But Bakugo is still barely able to keep up with Midoriya.
 
Earthyboy said:
I said Midoriya is close to blitzing Bakugo, I never said he's downright blitzing him. Don't strawman me. He's a lot faster but he's not quite fast enough to the point Bakugo is unable to react. But Bakugo is still barely able to keep up with Midoriya.
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Close to blitzing is almost as bad of a stretch as well. Nothing in the scan you linked indicates that Midoriya was close to blitzing Bakugo either. Bakugou was able to consistently block throughout most of the fight. Even if you don't mean a literal blitz, even with Bakugo having the advantage of prediction, it only seemed that Deku was significantly outpacing him rather than being "close to blitzing" him.
 
dude if bakogou was able to handle 5% deku then why cant he handle 8% deku in speed? plus even deku said that it was just a small boost.
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
Close to blitzing is almost as bad of a stretch as well. Nothing in the scan you linked indicates that Midoriya was close to blitzing Bakugo either. Bakugou was able to consistently block throughout most of the fight. Even if you don't mean a literal blitz, even with Bakugo having the advantage of prediction, it only seemed that Deku was significantly outpacing him rather than being "close to blitzing" him.
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Bakugo was only able to consistently block throughout the fight because Midoriya's moves were telegraphed greatly. His own statement after the fight even implied that he wouldn't have been able to block the attack if it wasn't telegraphed. And throughout half the fight Midoriya only used 5%.
 
If he's able to block consistently throughout the fight then it's just straight up not close to a blitz. At best Deku was just outpacing him to where it was a bit difficult for bakugo to keep up.
 
There's is no need to use words incorrectly. The only characters to ever blitz Bakugo is All Might and USJ Nomu. One could count Shigaraki too but that was just him being faster, he wasn't imperceptible to Bakugo so I wouldn't count it as a straight blitz. There's also that speedster in TUM but that's not part of the main manga and we can't even tell when TUM is set.
 
Read the latest chapter and this really feels like Hori is saying
“No, Mirio in fact shouldn’t have had One for all over Deku”
I love the implications that only the truly weak or helpless can truly wield One for All however the second and third users just standing in the back while the other vestiges talked was very suspicious.

Lowkey Nana is pulling an Avatar Kyoshi with the “Can you kill him” stuff I ain’t complaining at all tho I’m kinda hoping Deku is leaning towards yes rather than instantly say something like “There’s some good in him I have hope” ofc he should still be conflicted.
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Read the latest chapter and this really feels like Hori is saying
“No, Mirio in fact shouldn’t have had One for all over Deku”
I love the implications that only the truly weak or helpless can truly wield One for All however the second and third users just standing in the back while the other vestiges talked was very suspicious.

Lowkey Nana is pulling an Avatar Kyoshi with the “Can you kill him” stuff I ain’t complaining at all tho I’m kinda hoping Deku is leaning towards yes rather than instantly say something like “There’s some good in him I have hope” ofc he should still be conflicted.
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shiggy really cant be redeemed only dead will kinda save him.
 
Shiggy basically forfeited and 100% dedicated his life to his goals of tearing down society once he sat in that chair and decided to go through with the AFO transfer. He should die along with his destiny. It'd honestly be very unfitting and disappointing if he were to be "saved" by being spared. It would also feel really out of character for Shiggy considering just how tenacious he was during this arc.
 
Deku has already resolved himself to never forgiving Shigaraki, so I think he’s willing to kill Shigaraki, but his natural and irrational tendency to save people is obviously going to make him want to help Shigaraki break free from AFO.

Quick note though: Deku does not have to “see good” or “redeem” Shigaraki to “save” him. Him wanting to defeat AFO is all the conviction he needs. This isn’t like Avatar or Naruto where he sees good in him or doesn’t want to stain his hands cause all life is precious or something optimistic like that.

Deku was fully prepared to kill Shigaraki the second he knew he had AFO inside him. Wanting to save him from AFO and “turning him good” are not the same.
 
I think even Nana herself doesn't want the answer to this question. She's been looking so depressed since she was introduced as a vestige probably because of how AFO kept effing her over even after death.

I don't expect Deku to say outright that he's gonna save Shiggy. He's probably gonna say something MC-like.

The only way Deku can realistically spare Shiggy is if he becomes leagues above him to the point he can easily neutralize him. But if they are on par or Shiggy is slightly stronger, Deku won't have a choice but to aim for lethal blows.
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
If he's able to block consistently throughout the fight then it's just straight up not close to a blitz. At best Deku was just outpacing him to where it was a bit difficult for bakugo to keep up.
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Throughout half the fight, Midoriya wasn't even outputting 8% of his power. What would you classify as a "bit" to the point where he can only react due to Midoriya's attacks being readable?
 
Earthyboy said:
What would you classify as a "bit" to the point where he can only react due to Midoriya's attacks being readable?
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This isn't stated though? I mean sure, his predictability did help out bakugo but it's not indicated that his predictability was the sole reason he was able to react. I mean yeah, he was struggling to keep up but if predictability was the sole reliance on his ability to react he would've lost the fight.
 
I hope this energy is maintained across the entire season. Nowadays, animation quality has risen especially or new shonen and season 4 of MHA was a downgrade. It had some cool scenes but there was no consistency across the entire season.
 
If an 8% Deku can't blitz Bakugou then that speaks volume's on Bakogou since full cowling was able to move so fast that he ignited which be at minimum mach 5.
 
RidleyX said:
If an 8% Deku can't blitz Bakugou then that speaks volume's on Bakogou since full cowling was able to move so fast that he ignited which be at minimum mach 5.
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Did he even actually ignite seems like just a cool effect
Although he did heat up steel by slamming into it for a short timeframe
 
Leaks are out.

Looks like they're trying to roll with the whole "save, don't kill shigaraki" thing. Nana apparently was only trying to ask Deku how he plans to deal with Shigaraki rather than asking for him to be killed. Kind of unfortunate they backtracked on that since that could've been a really powerful showing of how far Shiggy's gone past the line. The 2nd and 3rd also appear to not like Deku so... that's intresting.
 
Well, that went about how I expected honestly. As much as "kill Shigaraki, don't save, Talk no Jutsu, Avatar, cliche" or whatever else has been floating around, saving people is what Deku does, even if what they've done is something he can never forgive. Gentle and La Brava taught him that lesson, and whether Shiggy wants it or not, he's going to do what he knows is good. I'm glad Hori stuck true to Deku and Nana's characters as we know them.
 
It all depends on how "saving Shigaraki" is going to be handled. I'm gonna reserve my judgments until the fan/official translations come out.

Empathizing with Shigaraki is one thing, but I'm not a fan of Deku sympathizing with Shigaraki. Especially since, in the first place, Deku doesn't even know about Shiggy's backstory. Literally his only basis of saving Shigaraki is because Shiggy "looked like he needed saving". And of course he'd look like that, the guy is literally having his body overtaken by potato head. It just feels wrong for him to feel either of that way towards a mass murdering pyscho who has killed more people than Deku has broken his bones.

I understand that the Vestiges chose Deku because of his innate heroism, but I would feel bad if they would enable Deku's self-destructive behavior that is directly tied with his savior-complex. Although these people probably have something similar.

I don't think this will go the Obito route, but still.
 
Forgive me if we already discussed this, (I think we already did, but I probably scrolled through it all) but why is AFO Shiggy's dura only town level if he survived several blows from an enraged and berserk Deku who's baseline 7-B? Deku's AP is exactly 1000 times above Shigi's. Yeah, Shiggy ended up super weakened despite his regen, but his regen was weakened by a noticeable amount. His regen wasn't even pushed to it's upper limits as he only appeared do suffer gushes of blood and some small chips of flesh off of his body.
 
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