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Goku skill stomps composite human too, this is absolutely ridiculous, composite human doesn't even begin to compare. In terms of any other intelligence section other than combat focus ones, yeah composite human is galaxy brain, but anything combat related, Goku just violates. Now start including supernatural hax and composite human is now a toddler.So composite human Vs. Goku equalized stats? Probably Goku, definitely Goku when including the manga version.
Skill-Composite human should be more skilled, honestly. Goku would be more skilled than any individual human, sure, but a composite human includes the skills of every human to have ever lived. Which is insane when you think about it. Hundreds of styles of martial arts, a level of combat experience equating to thousands of years, maybe more than that, insanely high analytical predictions, likely a degree of instinctive reactions (although not comparable to Ultra Instinct). And if Goku's anatomy is considered equivalent to that of a human's, a composite human would know every potential weakness in Goku's body and would be able to exploit all of them.
Intelligence-Obviously, the composite human should dwarf Goku here in every regard, even in terms of combat intelligence. Every strategist or tactician who has ever lived having their collective knowledge combined into one being is insane. Not to mention that outside of combat the intelligence gap is absolutely beneath comparison.
So, in those regards the composite human would have a big edge. But for all of that, the composite human still is a human. Goku would have even more advanced senses, could detect where the composite human is at all times, can fly, has a massive range advantage, light manipulation (Solar Flare), teleportation, will get better during combat (can't include him getting stronger though as stats are equalized), analytical prediction (although debatable whether or not it's on composite human's level), sealing (only if he has equipment for it though), telekinesis (manga version), instinctive reactions (manga version), and not to mention existence erasure (manga version of course).
If Goku for some reason just stuck to pure hand-to-hand in base form and did nothing else, he'd very likely lose. But in reality I don't think the composite human's advantages would allow him to overcome all of Goku's abilities that, while common in fiction, are still unthinkable in real life.
I mean do you have reasoning for that? Just saying Goku is "an incredible martial artist" isn't a great argument. And besides which, we don't even have that many actual skill feats from Goku, let alone anything that'd really put him above a composite human. I think you're underestimating the skill feats humans have performed throughout history. Some of Goku's best skill feats are analytical prediction feats, somethings humans have done before and that a composite human would be very good at.Goku skill stomps composite human too, this is absolutely ridiculous, composite human doesn't even begin to compare. In terms of any other intelligence section other than combat focus ones, yeah composite human is galaxy brain, but anything combat related, Goku just violates. Now start including supernatural hax and composite human is now a toddler.
Goku's copying feats extend to Ki techniques, and those are skill feats we don't really have a scale for and can't really be quantified. I don't recall ever seeing him just learn an entire type of martial arts after a brief exchange of combat, let alone improve upon it afterwards.Skill goes to goku, he will just: copy your martial arts, makes it better, case dodges every blow, and just kinda makes you his toy.
"even unlocking Ultra Instinct somewhat" "and Goku has gotten so much better than him over his decades of training" Roshi was explicitly shown to still be more skilled and experienced than Goku there, and is one of the reasons why he was able to use the UI knock-off. Also, I think you guys are confusing Goku's talent with his skill. Either way, like I said before, just saying Goku is an incredible martial artist doesn't mean anything by itself. Even for a topic like skill, feats are still the most important reference. And Goku's skill feats aren't really on the level of what a composite human's would be.I genuinely don't see how Goku loses in h2h combat here at all lmao, Master Roshi is history's best martial artist to date, even when comparing to other styles(even unlocking Ultra Instinct somewhat) and Goku has gotten so much better than him over his decades of training
tho Goku being social influenced is definitely possible tbh
Of course I have a reason.I mean do you have reasoning for that? Just saying Goku is "an incredible martial artist" isn't a great argument. And besides which, we don't even have that many actual skill feats from Goku, let alone anything that'd really put him above a composite human. I think you're underestimating the skill feats humans have performed throughout history. Some of Goku's best skill feats are analytical prediction feats, somethings humans have done before and that a composite human would be very good at.
"The equivalent of hundreds of millions of years of experience"? He can copy Ki based techniques with ease, that isn't a quantifiable skill feat as Ki isn't real and we can't determine the precise mechanics of how it functions. His agility would be inferior to a composite human, who would include superhuman's that can bend their bodies to normally inhuman lengths. Don't see how speed is relevant here. How does him stomping or dodging other fighters mean anything in regards to his skill? Extremely high martial arts knowledge and intuition? Like what? He can identify an opponents strength via sensing, not literally just looking at them. "is able to deduce someone's full power by watching them perform the slightest moves while massively suppressed"? "Ireduct"? Always looks ahead? Pretty sure I can think of several instances where he was surprised by something happening and didn't expect it, or didn't come up with a plan for the future. Yeah, he can make strategies, something any decently smart person can do when given the same skill set and situation, one of his most memorable strategies was using Ki blasts as a distraction from underwater and attacking Frieza from the other direction, a strategy plenty of smart people could come up with, making a good strategy doesn't make someone a master strategist, remember that whatever strategic feat a character makes, was also made by the writer, which would be included in a composite human. Read air currents? I mean he can feel air pressure to determine where someone is, but I don't know about that, and the other thing is just Ki sensing, not really a skill thing. Yes, his analytical predictions with Hit is some of his most impressive skill feats, a composite human would be able to do it too though if they had the same powers as Goku otherwise. Him attaining Ultra Instinct isn't really a proper skill feat, similar to how him learning Ki attacks like the Kamehameha isn't quantifiable. How did he skill stomp any of those characters, how is literally any of this related to pure skill at all? Toriyama himself literally said that the main deciding factor of fights in Dragon Ball is how much Ki someone has. Power. That's what Goku usually relies on. Especially in DBS.Of course I have a reason.
The equivalent of hundreds of millions of years of experience. The ability to copy abilities and techniques even master martial artist struggle to learn, even when he was a child. Extremely agile and acrobatic movements, FTE movement to comparable opponents, has a long scaling chain of stomping master martial artists, and multiple feats of being untaggable by them. Extremely high martial arts knowledge and intuition, can identify powerful and skilled opponents at a glance, is able to deduce someone's full power by watching them perform the slightest moves while massively suppressed, can instinctively lreduct what move is gonna be used and how effective it will be, he always looks ahead in a figbt, he can create and improve techniques on the spot to suit his situation and escape hopeless situations with quick thinking, can identify and predict after images. He can read the air currents and sense someone's intentions to predict the future, he was able to predict the movements of a master martial artist and assasin with a thousand years of experience easily in time stop. His body naturally knows instinctive reaction and was called a genius by beerus for even utilizing it once, and mastered it in 48 minutes despite having little prior knowledge, a feat destroyers cannot easily perform, the same dudes who fodderize an entire universe of fighters in skill and live for hundreds of millions of years. Bruh he skill stomped almost every fighter on his planet when he was 15, barring a couple dudes here and there who he eventually surpassed, and he currently is the most skilled fighter in the multiverse again barring a couple of people. Man literally fought himself + like 15 other of the strongest and most skilled fighters in the universe in one conglomerate of a fighter named cell, who has all the powers abilities skills and knowledge of him and those others like him, yet matched him in combat and earned cells praise. Need I go on?
Yes go on, this isn't enough text yet.The equivalent of hundreds of millions of years of experience. The ability to copy abilities and techniques even master martial artist struggle to learn, even when he was a child. Extremely agile and acrobatic movements, FTE movement to comparable opponents, has a long scaling chain of stomping master martial artists, and multiple feats of being untaggable by them. Extremely high martial arts knowledge and intuition, can identify powerful and skilled opponents at a glance, is able to deduce someone's full power by watching them perform the slightest moves while massively suppressed, can instinctively lreduct what move is gonna be used and how effective it will be, he always looks ahead in a figbt, he can create and improve techniques on the spot to suit his situation and escape hopeless situations with quick thinking, can identify and predict after images. He can read the air currents and sense someone's intentions to predict the future, he was able to predict the movements of a master martial artist and assasin with a thousand years of experience easily in time stop. His body naturally knows instinctive reaction and was called a genius by beerus for even utilizing it once, and mastered it in 48 minutes despite having little prior knowledge, a feat destroyers cannot easily perform, the same dudes who fodderize an entire universe of fighters in skill and live for hundreds of millions of years. Bruh he skill stomped almost every fighter on his planet when he was 15, barring a couple dudes here and there who he eventually surpassed, and he currently is the most skilled fighter in the multiverse again barring a couple of people. Man literally fought himself + like 15 other of the strongest and most skilled fighters in the universe in one conglomerate of a fighter named cell, who has all the powers abilities skills and knowledge of him and those others like him, yet matched him in combat and earned cells praise. Need I go on?
Think he's talking about Post-Time Skip GT Goku and Xeno Goku.That sounds more like a Composite Goku lmao.
Man that's really hard to read. I'll go over everything."The equivalent of hundreds of millions of years of experience"? He can copy Ki based techniques with ease, that isn't a quantifiable skill feat as Ki isn't real and we can't determine the precise mechanics of how it functions. His agility would be inferior to a composite human, who would include superhuman's that can bend their bodies to normally inhuman lengths. Don't see how speed is relevant here. How does him stomping or dodging other fighters mean anything in regards to his skill? Extremely high martial arts knowledge and intuition? Like what? He can identify an opponents strength via sensing, not literally just looking at them. "is able to deduce someone's full power by watching them perform the slightest moves while massively suppressed"? "Ireduct"? Always looks ahead? Pretty sure I can think of several instances where he was surprised by something happening and didn't expect it, or didn't come up with a plan for the future. Yeah, he can make strategies, something any decently smart person can do when given the same skill set and situation, one of his most memorable strategies was using Ki blasts as a distraction from underwater and attacking Frieza from the other direction, a strategy plenty of smart people could come up with, making a good strategy doesn't make someone a master strategist, remember that whatever strategic feat a character makes, was also made by the writer, which would be included in a composite human. Read air currents? I mean he can feel air pressure to determine where someone is, but I don't know about that, and the other thing is just Ki sensing, not really a skill thing. Yes, his analytical predictions with Hit is some of his most impressive skill feats, a composite human would be able to do it too though if they had the same powers as Goku otherwise. Him attaining Ultra Instinct isn't really a proper skill feat, similar to how him learning Ki attacks like the Kamehameha isn't quantifiable. How did he skill stomp any of those characters, how is literally any of this related to pure skill at all? Toriyama himself literally said that the main deciding factor of fights in Dragon Ball is how much Ki someone has. Power. That's what Goku usually relies on. Especially in DBS.
That sounds more like a Composite Goku lmao.
Definitely not. This might be shocking but all these feats are canon Goku only, and most of them are from OG dragon ball which means most of these feats scale to kid Goku.Think he's talking about Post-Time Skip GT Goku and Xeno Goku.
You wanna hear granolah saga feats?Yes go on, this isn't enough text yet.
No alex man, solving a rubix cube won't let you beat Goku.Composite human wins because it includes me.
I’d expect that tbhmost of them are from OG dragon ball
The ignorance in this statement alone.He's a fighter that mostly relies on overwhelming his opponents with power and some-skill rather then purely/mostly relying on his Skill which wouldn't bode well for him since he's equal towards Composite Human in terms of stats.
I was half-way through typing a response to that wall of text and then I remembered this is a Fun and Games thread.